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HIV Prevention and Testing => Do I Have HIV? => Topic started by: Oralwithcanker on June 20, 2012, 12:34:25 pm
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Recently I went to a massage parlour and performed cunnulingus on the attendant. She was in her late 40's. At the time I had a couple of canker sores on my tongue. I also anally rimmed her never sticking my tongue within her anus. I also solely licked her clit until she came. Could I have contracted HIV from this encounter?
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Nothing you described is considered a risk for HIV.
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Just to confirm, the presence of canker sores on my tongue while I was performing anal rimming or cunnulingus doesn't put me at risk of contracting HIV?
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Just to confirm, the presence of canker sores on my tongue while I was performing anal rimming or cunnulingus doesn't put me at risk of contracting HIV?
No it does not put you at risk if you canker sores on your tongue.
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That is a relief, I thought vaginal fluid could enter the blood stream through canker sores.
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Aside from the very effective protection which your own saliva affords you, the vaginal fluids which can contain HIV are high up in the cervical area. They are not at the vaginal lips or where your tongue would likely be reaching.
You are worring needlessly. Really.
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OralwithCanker:
You haven't logged in here for a long time, so I understand the confusion. Several months ago, we instigated a new rule (outlined at the top of the AM I INFECTED forum) wherevy a person has three free postings, and must take out a subscription (time-based, not post-based) after that. No one was grandfathered in, and as you have had your three free posts, I am afraid that you will have to buy a subscription in order to continue your conversation.
You are NOT allowed to use the PM function in order to get around this rule, but then again you were not allowed to ask HIV related questions in a private message at any rate.
I will, however, indulge you this once, based on circumstances.
You wrote:
Hey there I had a really stupid encounter yesterday with a sex worker. She performed unprotected oral and while I was standing face to face with her the tip of my penis poked her clit/vaginal lips. I got extremely nervous and when I questioned her about it she said it barely touched her and she uses a gel to kill bacteria anyways. Could I contract HIV from this. I'm worried vaginal fluid could have entered my urethra. I appreciate your reply and I for some reason was confused on how to post this so I sent you a PM. I hope that's ok.
WHat you are referring to re: your penis touchnig the outside of her vagina, is frottage. It is absolutely NO risk for HIV. In a woman with HIV, infectious fluids are located rather deep inside the vagina, in a thick mucosa near the cervix. These fluids are not reachable by the tongue, finger, or by poking in the general direction of the vagina.
If you wear a condom for penetrative anal and vaginal sex you will avoid HIV. It's really that simple.
Just because these forums now require a subscription in order to participate doesn't mean that they are not entirely searchable. I daresay that you will be hard-pressed to find a circumstance, a situation, an event that we haven't given risk assessment for during the last several years. But it all boils down to this.
Wear a condom for penetrative anal/vaginal sex.
Do not share IV drug needles.
And that's basically it.
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I had a wisdom tooth pulled 5 days ago and that included an incision made in my cheek in the back of my mouth which was stitched up. Last night I went down on a girl. I was careful to only use the tip of my tongue. How significant is the risk here? Thanks.
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We pretty much have covered the cunnilingus is not a risk thing and that still applies in your new concern with the oral surgery included . The fluids a woman makes when excited is not a risk for HIV because those fluids are not infectious for HIV .
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Thanks for the quick reply. If I had been fingering her before hand, is it possible I could have brought some of the infectious fluid out and then been exposed? If that question is stupid pardon my ignorance.
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No ... I will share something with that will ease your mind ... if this doesn't do the trick I don't know what else to tell you . No risk means no risk .
HIV is fragile and once exposed to conditions outside the human body small changes in PH and temperature damage the virus and instantly render it unable to infect, this and the fact that your saliva contains dozens of proteins and enzymes that damage HIV and render it unable to infect is another obstacle in oral transmission of HIV .
Quoted from Ann .
Hiv transmission doesn't stand a chance of happening via female genitals to mouth - there are just too many obstacles on the oral route.
The first obstacle is the mouth itself. The mouth is a veritable fortress, standing against all sorts of pathogens we come into contact with every minute of our lives. It's a very hostile environment and saliva has been shown to contain over a dozen different proteins and enzymes that damage hiv.
Hiv is a very fragile virus - literally. Its outer surface doesn't take kindly to changes in its preferred environment; slight changes in temperature, moisture content and pH levels all damage the outer surface. Importantly, it needs this outer surface to be intact before it can latch onto a few, very specific cell types and infect.
Which leads to the second obstacle. Hiv can only latch onto certain types of cells, cells which are not found in abundance in the mouth.
The third obstacle to transmission this way is having hiv present in the first place. The female secretion where hiv has been shown to be present is the cervicovaginal fluid. This fluid is actually a thick mucus that covers and protects the cervix.
The fluid a woman produces when sexually excited comes from the Bartholin's glands, located on either side of the vaginal opening. I have yet to discover one shred of evidence (and believe me, I've looked) that shows this lubricating fluid to have any more hiv present than other bodily secretions such as saliva, sweat or tears. Saliva, sweat and tears are NOT infectious fluids.
So there you have it. Once the results of the serodiscordant studies started rolling in, what we know about hiv transmission on the cellular level was validated. The only people who were getting infected were those who had unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse. Period. One of the three studies went on for ten years and involved hundreds of couples. That's a lot of nookie.
There have been no fewer than three separate serodiscordant couples studies (where one person is HIV positive, the other negative.) These couples were tracked for three. five and ten years. The couples used condoms for penetrative vaginal and anal sex, but NO BARRIER at all for oral sex. Any kind of oral sex. These studies yielded NO infections.
Here's what you need to know in order to avoid hiv infection:
You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL sexually transmitted infections together.
To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with an STI.Sex without a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.
Have a look through the condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.
Although you did not have a risk and do not need to test for this specific incident , anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.
If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results.
Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv. Some of the other STIs can be present with no obvious symptoms, so the only way to know for sure is to test.
Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!
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Thanks for the replies and easing of the old cranium. Enjoy your day
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You are suffering from Googlechondria ... not HIV .