They put this horny IMF chief in jail.

[metekrop]

The head of the International Monetary Fund sits in a New York jail cell with his career and political future in limbo for fucking a woman which he thinks was the right thing to do.

However, some French citizens say they think Strauss-Kahn is actually the victim of a conspiracy.


http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/05/18/new.york.imf.head/index.html?hpt=T1

[Grasshopper]

The story gets better  :

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/imf_accuser_in_apt_for_hiv_vics_oZmUkbtouJ14RHw1434HvJ

[Matty the Damned]

I don't believe that a Frenchman would be capable of such a horrid crime.

MtD

[mecch]

The story gets better  :

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/imf_accuser_in_apt_for_hiv_vics_oZmUkbtouJ14RHw1434HvJ

Oh!  Perfect! 

[hope_for_a_cure]

Its a shame they have him in solitary.  He could meet some new friends out on the island that may be able to help him out with his carnal desires. 

[Matty the Damned]

Its a shame they have him in solitary.  He could meet some new friends out on the island that may be able to help him out with his carnal desires. 

They have domestics in NY state prisons? Talk about luxury!

But seriously folks, innocent until proven guilty and all that. Let's let Dominique (if that is his real name) have a fair trial.

MtD

[Dachshund]

He can thank Polanski for his new accommodations.

[weasel]

          I do not buy this story    .   NOPE !

           This guy raped a maid   and was running to escape !   
       
             Then revealed his location to get his phone back 

               This would make a good   T.V. episode for   Saturday night LIVE 


               Something fishy in the HIV Hotel , Maybe a ride to the upper East side 

                                             Just me , no believe the poor little maid .

                                                                                   Carl

[edfu]

Go CDC and "New York Post":

"According to the federal Centers for Disease Control: 'It is possible for either partner to become infected with HIV through performing or receiving oral sex.'"

Good grief! 

[Matty the Damned]

Go CDC and "New York Post":

"According to the federal Centers for Disease Control: 'It is possible for either partner to become infected with HIV through performing or receiving oral sex.'"

Good grief! 

Yes. But only if you're French.

MtD

[LabRat]

It was reported on CNN last night that the French citizens are really upset about Strauss-Kahn being shown doing the "perp walk".  The French don't do such things.  Sorry he's not in France!

[Matty the Damned]

It was reported on CNN last night that the French citizens are really upset about Strauss-Kahn being shown doing the "perp walk".  The French don't do such things.  Sorry he's not in France!

Maybe he can wear a burqua?

MtD

[Miss Philicia]

It was reported on CNN last night that the French citizens are really upset about Strauss-Kahn being shown doing the "perp walk".  The French don't do such things.  Sorry he's not in France!

I actually agree that allowing perp walks goes against the grain of "innocent until proven guilty" -- at any rate it serves no purpose at all except to satiate mob mentalities, but you know how most Americans dig that sort of crap.

[LabRat]

You are absolutely right Miss P...that's why the French are upset.

If it turns out that the victim is HIV+, the defense will probably go after her for not disclosing!

[Miss Philicia]

If it turns out that the victim is HIV+, the defense will probably go after her for not disclosing!

I'm sure the first thing on my mind when being raped up the ass is disclosing my HIV status to the rapist. I mean, like really.

[littleprince]

Actually I think it would be the first thing I blurt out.

[Ann]

Actually I think it would be the first thing I blurt out.

Me too. It just might get the bastard to back off.

[Rev. Moon]

Me too. It just might get the bastard to back off.

I would even dramatize it a little:  "I have full-blown AIDS!  Highly infectious!" or something of that sort.  Then again, the rapist might be edumacated and just put on a condom --as it is a good number of them do so in order to avoid leaving their DNA behind (thank you CSI  ).

This article from the always so enlightening NY Post leaves so much to be desired.

[Miss Philicia]

This article from the always so enlightening NY Post leaves so much to be desired.

It's only good for Page Six!

[hope_for_a_cure]

This is manna for the news hungry public and the networks love disseminating this type of story to all that want to see it. 

[CaptCarl]

The story gets better  :

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/imf_accuser_in_apt_for_hiv_vics_oZmUkbtouJ14RHw1434HvJ

I suppose now he'll be posting in "Am I Infected" wanting a risk assesment...

CaptCarl

[hope_for_a_cure]

I suppose now he'll be posting in "Am I Infected" wanting a risk assesment...

CaptCarl

possible screen names for him:

1) RikerIslandDude
2) BonVoyage
3) Orange_Jump_Suit

[Miss Philicia]

Strauss-Kahn is surely having fun on Riker's Island. For the edification of our non-US readers, Riker's is often referred to as the world's largest penal colony, with an inmate population of 14,000.  The largest European facility of a similar nature only has 3,800.  When you land with domestic flights at LaGuardia you fly right over it.

Naturally several of my ex-tricks have visited.

[denb45]

I suppose now he'll be posting in "Am I Infected" wanting a risk assesment...

CaptCarl

From oral sex, I kinda doubt it   oh WAIT that Am I infected Thread is really FUNY to read sometimes 

[mecch]

My hunch is he attacked that women.  So dont take this next comment as a statement in his defense. 
Why/How is forced oral often reported in rape charges. 
1) What rapist would stick his dick into someone's mouth who does't want it there. Sounds dangerous and petrifying for the rapist.
2) Or, is it more that the victim is so frightened by the situation he/she just has to give the oral out of fear, and not totally chew up the attacker's dick also out of fear of the response if he/she doesn't submit and acquiesce?

[edfu]

NYC's Housing Works, an AIDS activist/advocacy organization, has roundly condemned the "Post" in no uncertain terms:

http://www.housingworks.org/blogs/detail/action-alert-condemn-nypost/

[CaptCarl]

possible screen names for him:

1) RikerIslandDude
2) BonVoyage
3) Orange_Jump_Suit

LMAO!!

I vote for #1!

CaptCarl

[tednlou2]

http://www.thebody.com/content/art62101.html

[mecch]

When I read the Post story, I didn't think it made out DSK as the victim.  I thought it was just the kind of news that is scandalmongering.   Alleged victim and alleged criminal are BOTH targets for tabloids to dig up any dirt they can.  The point is the dirt.

If she is HIV+, it doesn't have much to do with the story. I agree.  But if I were a publisher of a tabloid, I would see it otherwise.  

"But while some may see HIV as the sole issue here, it's extremely important to recognize that more is at play. What the Post did to the accuser is what media does to too many rape victims, HIV positive or not: undermine them, blame them and paint them in the most horrendous light."

I really didn't get the vibe that the Post was slandering the victim.  But it was certainly ignoring her right to privacy.  

To me, it was more like:  "and here's one more piece of shit landing on that frenchie master of the universe's head" ---  as in his dramatic comedown from power, wealth, and untouchability.   Do the crime, do the time.  

[Ann]

One thing that really pisses me off about the news reports around the internet where readers are permitted to comment are the comments from ignoramuses who do not believe it is possible to be orally raped and make comments like "if it was rape, why didn't she bite him?"

Only people who have never been orally raped would make such comments. It's happened to me and I'm here to tell the world that biting isn't really an option. When you're being orally raped it's not about a guy teasing you with the head of his dick. It's about a cock being shoved so far down your throat you don't know whether to try to breath or puke. It's about having your hair pulled and your nose mashed up against his pubic bone. It's about being scared to death. It's about wondering if you're going to be able to survive. You're too busy trying to get oxygen and not drown in your own puke to try biting anything. It's a horrible experience that I would not wish on my worst enemy.

I have little doubt that this guy did exactly what he's been accused of doing. I hope he gets orally raped himself while in jail. OK, so I said I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy, but I'll amend that to say I'd wish it on anyone who did it to someone else. Fuckers. 

[Ann]

And another thing. I'm offended by the title of this thread. "They put this horny IMF chief in jail." Bullshit! Rape isn't about being horny, it's about power over someone who is physically or otherwise weaker than yourself. Rape is all about power and violence and nothing to do with sex.

[mecch]

Thanks Ann for the answer to my naive question - how does oral rape happen. 

[Miss Philicia]

What Ann said is pretty much why at the beginning of the thread I said I didn't think anyone would think, in such a situation, to creatively exclaim "I have AIDS" (regardless of it being true or not if one had AIDS).  Who has time to think in a situation where you're being assaulted and the victim is inevitably in full panic mode?

Have you ever walked down a dark street at night and simply thought something bad might happen? Just amplify that emotion by a factor of ten or twenty (or more likely a higher number).

[mecch]

Anderson Cooper had on some expert in a panel discussing the Grand Jury indictment.
Some old white guy basically was there to defend DSK and basically put forward the disbelief that oral sex could be forced.  It was pretty uncomfortable to watch. Not least because oddly Eliot Spritzler err. Spitzer was on the panel, to defend the cops and Grand Jury as surely having very good cause to believe the alleged victim.

It seems like DSK lawyers will go with that defense - consensual sex.

Interesting Friday reveals:  

DSK was asking anyone and their sister and grandmother to please come have cocktails with him in his room.  Every lady refused.  Even hit on flight crew on the plane afterwards.

When DSK was escorted off the plane by cops, he didn't ask why.

On the other hand, he was not hiding his whereabouts nor making a newly scheduled hasty exit out of the country.  His flight was already booked, and he called the hotel several times asking them to deliver his cell phone...  
This is hardly evidence that he didn't rape, however...  And had he made it out, its rather certain the extradition would have been difficult.

Swiss refused finally to extradite Polanski.  On an encouraging note, however, Switzerland is in recent years finally acting on reports of rape of household staff, allegedly committed by diplomats from countries in which this "troussage de domestique" is not prosecuted.

This is a raging scandal in France as one of DSK old cronies categorised the affair as a regretablle "troussage de domestique"  e.g. not rape just a "using" of the help.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/21/dsk-arrest-misogyny_n_865146.html

[Ann]

Some old white guy basically was there to defend DSK and basically put forward the disbelief that oral sex could be forced.

Maybe this "old white guy" needs to volunteer to be shown by example whether or not oral sex can be forced. With him being the one who is forced, of course.

On the other hand, he was not hiding his whereabouts nor making a newly scheduled hasty exit out of the country.  His flight was already booked, and he called the hotel several times asking them to deliver his cell phone... 
This is hardly evidence that he didn't rape, however...  And had he made it out, its rather certain the extradition would have been difficult.

If you ask me, the only thing his actions are evidence of is being someone who thinks he's entitled to treat domestic help in such a manner. He probably honestly thinks he did nothing wrong. Men like him are like that - I've known a few in my day. They think women are there to serve him in any way he chooses and if they resist, it's their fault, not his. After all, he's entitled.

[Matt39]

I have little doubt that this guy did exactly what he's been accused of doing. I hope he gets orally raped himself while in jail.

Yes, well. I'm sure you could get a job on any Murdoch rag with quotes like that.

[Ann]

Yes, well. I'm sure you could get a job on any Murdoch rag with quotes like that.

Walk a mile in my shoes and come back to me on that one.

And anyway, Murdoch rags are just the type of rags that defend animals like this guy.

[Jeff G]

Yes, well. I'm sure you could get a job on any Murdoch rag with quotes like that.

Your first post back from vacation has more than a hint of bad attitude , I'm not surprised though .

[Miss Philicia]

Don't worry, he'll log back in after a few days and scream about being a victim. We've seen this movie before.

[Ann]

We've seen this movie before.

Where's my remote? I need to change the channel.

[Matt39]

Walk a mile in my shoes and come back to me on that one.

And anyway, Murdoch rags are just the type of rags that defend animals like this guy.

Innocent until proven guilty?

If not, then why don't you email the US Department of Justice and offer to save them some money. After all, they could just email you the details of any sexual offence charges involving men and you could do a truncated 'Judge Judy' for them. 'Judge Ann'.

Hypocrisy comes to mind here.
But at least it is only the off topic forum.

jg1962

As for your comment, do you take the same attitude to freedom of expression as Ann does to the rules of law, justice and evidence - unncessary?
Clearly you do.

[Ann]

Matt, if you don't like most forum members, and it would seem that is the case, why do you bother coming here?

[Matt39]

Matt, if you don't like most forum members, and it would seem that is the case, why do you bother coming here?

I have no personal knowledge of any of the non-UK forum members here or you. I'm commenting on views expressed.
Tell me Ann, as well as wanting to dispense with annoying principles like people being tried by a jury of their peers based on evidence, do you really want to cocoon yourself with just 'yes people'?

Isn't it interesting that rather than justify a comment that reeks of a 'lynching' mentality, you just go on the attack?

I don't hold any views on the merits or otherwise of Dominique Strauss Khan, I don't even think much of him politically but neither do I think it's my place or your place, to stand in judgement on allegations neither of us have any way of knowing are true or false.

[Miss Philicia]

... like I said

[Ann]

Isn't it interesting that rather than justify a comment that reeks of a 'lynching' mentality, you just go on the attack?

Pretty rich coming from the person who went on the attack first.

Of course I believe in "innocent until proven guilty" - in a court of law. That doesn't prevent me from having my own opinion on the matter and that is precisely what I gave - my opinion. If I were called to jury duty in his case I'd asked to be dismissed due to my prejudice.

[Rev. Moon]

I have no personal knowledge of any of the non-UK forum members here or you. I'm commenting on views expressed.
Tell me Ann, as well as wanting to dispense with annoying principles like people being tried by a jury of their peers based on evidence, do you really want to cocoon yourself with just 'yes people'?

Isn't it interesting that rather than justify a comment that reeks of a 'lynching' mentality, you just go on the attack?

Oh puhleeze... Just fucking GO AWAY for good.  You evidently don't care much about anyone in this place and  many (if not all) of us can't stand your sanctimonious, pompous arse.  Please do yourself and all of us that big favor.  Bye bye.

[mecch]

Matt, the DKS is a hot news story.  Everyone here is expressing his/her opinions based on the little factoids that have so far been revealed.  Nobody suggests he be denied his lawyers and his trial.  

[Ann]

Rev Moon, you really shouldn't resort to name calling. Consider yourself warned.

[Matt39]

Matt, the DKS is a hot news story.  Everyone here is expressing his/her opinions based on the little factoids that have so far been revealed.  Nobody suggests he be denied his lawyers and his trial.  

Saying 'I have little doubt that this guy did exactly what he's been accused of doing. I hope he gets orally raped himself while in jail.' is not expressing an opinion, it is mouthing a thoroughly inhumane sentiment that is reminiscent of the lynch mob mentality. And even if the allegations are true, hoping for lynch mob revenge once in custody is so nauseating, and so animal-like as to be simply ridiculous.
That's why we have rule of law.

[Ann]

Matt, so now you're calling me a queer basher? You're going to find yourself with another time out pretty quickly at this rate.