Re: Risk?

[jsshanjiang]

sorry,can anyone tell me how to make a new post? I didn't see any post button?thanks
sorry,I know I shouldn't post here,but I don't know anywhere else to post

[Jeff G]

Please read this and only post your questions in this thread . Thanks .

http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=220.0

[jsshanjiang]

thanks for letting me post here.
I am from China,precisely speaking on Aug.5th ,I met a strange girl whose status is unknown to me after drinking some beer and make out with her for the whole night. it concerned me later .so I had a bunch of questions and I am appreciated for risk assessment.
1.I rubbed maybe hit against her vainal filed with my penis  with both of our underwear on ,but hers is pretty wet,so was the tip of my underwear.
2.she gave me oral sex ,and kissed me afterwards.
3.I was too scared to perform any penetration because there was no condom present,so I used my finger(2or3)to masterbate her pretty deep ,I even touched a heave(I don't know what it is )inside her vagina,(I think I touched and inserted my finger a little bit into her anus while masterbating her). then I used both hand to cover my penis in order not to put into her vagina while she wanted me to do so for several times.Both of us were naked and she was on top.
4.I think I rubbed my eyes after masterbate her without washing muy hands sooner or later.
5.I touched her nipples with hands masterbating her and I sucked her nipples  later.
6.I kissed her deeply  for quite long time and for many times that night.we made out for several hours and kissed a lot.what concerned me is I had bleeding gums in one area.I didn't obviously tasted blood while kissing her,but right now it concerned me the most .And about 6 or 7 years ago I started to wear dental braces for 2 years,would that make it more dangerous?
7.I remembered she licked me all around,including my ears.I just find out there is a negligible sore inside my ears which is not bleeding,but I felt it with my hands recently and after digging it for a while and broke it ,I can notice ,although few ,there is obvious blood on my finger.will that put me at risk?
8.my stomach hurted at aug 9th,5 days after possible exposure,and I didn't feel it anymore right now.could that be the dangerous symptom?
9.I went to a massage parlor at the same day after drinking, and I had a intimate contact with a server who then gave me a handjob with some lube oil,but I didn't ejaculate.I hugged her for several times and rubbed her cheeks with my face.(I don't know if there is any dangerousness involved）


Do I need to get tested for all of my behavior above?

[Jeff G]

I read and reread ALL of your concerns very carefully and its clear you did NOT have a risk for HIV .

Rubbing and lissing and oral sex isnt a risk and do not need to worry about these things . Here are the risk factors for HIV ...

Sharing IV drug needles immediately after use.
Unprotected anal and vaginal sex.
Mother to child during or shortly after birth
Very specific healthcare situations.

ALTHOUGH YOU DO NOT NEED FURTHER HIV TESTING AT THIS TIME for this incident , anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results.

Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv. Some of the other STIs can be present with no obvious symptoms, so the only way to know for sure is to test.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!

[jsshanjiang]

thanks very much for your answer.As I randomly searched the internet,I happened to find out there is a type of HIV-N ,which could not be tested out.should I be worried about that after I get tested?

[Jeff G]

The 'N' stands for "non-M, non-O". This group was discovered in 1998 and has only been seen in Cameroon with very few infections .

The western blot and Elisa detect subtypes .   

[jsshanjiang]

thanks for your explanation .
But there is couple of things that concerned me a lot right now.I think I just need to list those here .
1 that's the ear problem.as I said I found myself have minor wound inside my ears,and I do remember she licked the inside of my ears for at least two times.I am not sure if it is a open sore at that night nor could I be sure of her mouth condition.But I feel a scab by my hand and broke it maybe 4 days ago and have few blood on my finger tip.I don't know how risky is it?
2 also,I wanted to repeat this one,that I touched her nipples with my hands which masturbated her and I sucked the nipples thereafter .would that be risky?
3 As I mentioned I hit against her vaginal filed with my penis with both of our underwear on ,but her underwear is pretty wet,so was the tip of my underwear. And as I examined my underwear,the normal boxer type,it has the typical a gap in the middle.what I'm not sure is ,if the tip point of my penis slipped to the gap and were exposed to her wet underwear when I was doing the rubbing and hitting,also I'm not sure if her underwear was intact or not being pulled aside,I just noticed when finished that my penis didn't slipped out of my underwear and her underwear is wet and the tip of my underwear is also wet.I'm concerned if ,by any chance,the tip point of my penis have contact with a little bit inside of her vagina ,would that be considered a real risk ?(I didn't feel any real penetration in this activity )thanks very much.
 4. another thing is ,just recently,a week after the possible exposure,I just find out there is some red point on my back(rash maybe?),it's not painful yet but pretty obvious,also a little bit （4 or 5 ) pox on my face(not very much obvious)would you consider it possible dangerous sign? thanks

sorry I won't let it to be a endless inquiry,I just need a little more information (especially the third one as I'm very concerned of the possible contact)so as to calm down waiting for the test and, if everything goes fine ,to get back to my normal life. thanks,deeply appreciated

[Jeff G]

HIV is acquired sexually from having unprotected vaginal and anal sex . You did not have a risk but I will answer briefly under what I quoted from you . 



1 that's the ear problem.as I said I found myself have minor wound inside my ears,and I do remember she licked the inside of my ears for at least two times.I am not sure if it is a open sore at that night nor could I be sure of her mouth condition.But I feel a scab by my hand and broke it maybe 4 days ago and have few blood on my finger tip.I don't know how risky is it?

You can not get HIV from being licked . Saliva has property's that destroy HIV in fact . 



2 also,I wanted to repeat this one,that I touched her nipples with my hands which masturbated her and I sucked the nipples thereafter .would that be risky?

No . unprotected vaginal and anal sex is the risk factor to avoid .



3 As I mentioned I hit against her vaginal filed with my penis with both of our underwear on ,but her underwear is pretty wet,so was the tip of my underwear. And as I examined my underwear,the normal boxer type,it has the typical a gap in the middle.what I'm not sure is ,if the tip point of my penis slipped to the gap and were exposed to her wet underwear when I was doing the rubbing and hitting,also I'm not sure if her underwear was intact or not being pulled aside,I just noticed when finished that my penis didn't slipped out of my underwear and her underwear is wet and the tip of my underwear is also wet.I'm concerned if ,by any chance,the tip point of my penis have contact with a little bit inside of her vagina ,would that be considered a real risk ?(I didn't feel any real penetration in this activity )thanks very much.

HIV is fragile and cant live outside the body even for an instant . This is not a risk .


 4. another thing is ,just recently,a week after the possible exposure,I just find out there is some red point on my back(rash maybe?),it's not painful yet but pretty obvious,also a little bit （4 or 5 ) pox on my face(not very much obvious)would you consider it possible dangerous sign? thanks

You simply didn't have a risk for HIV so your symptoms are something to talk to your doctor about , its not HIV causing them .

[jsshanjiang]

thanks for your patience to answer my question,thanks very much,but I just need a little more information for this one that I worried ,the third one,I'm concerned if ,by any chance,the tip point of my penis have contact with a little bit inside of her vagina ,would that be considered a real risk ?(I didn't feel any real penetration in this activity )thanks very much.

[Andy Velez]

You need to let go of this concern and get on with your life. Rubbing against vaginal lips is not the same as full on penetration/intercourse. I don't see any for real risk in your incident. Cut out making drama unnecessarily about this and just let it go.

[Jeff G]

We mean it for real when we say NO RISK . If you had a risk we would have made it very clear so that you seek medical attention and prevent another infection .

[jkinatl2]

thanks for your patience to answer my question,thanks very much,but I just need a little more information for this one that I worried ,the third one,I'm concerned if ,by any chance,the tip point of my penis have contact with a little bit inside of her vagina ,would that be considered a real risk ?(I didn't feel any real penetration in this activity )thanks very much.

The infectious fluids in a female are NOT the fluids you encounter through fingering, moving your penis slightly around the vagina, licking the fluids, or encountering them in ANY way other than thrusting your erect penis into the vagina.

The infectious fluids in a woman's genitalia are located in the thick cervical mucosa deep within the vagina, where they are ONLY encountered by an erect penis. And on that penis, the ONLY vulnerable areas are the tip of the urethra and, in uncircumsized males, the tender tissue under the foreskin.

HIV transmission from female to male is far more difficult than the other way around, even during unprotected sex with a female with a soaring viral load. You are not going to get HIV sexually other than penile-vaginal and penile-anal intercourse, period.

[jsshanjiang]

thanks all for your reply.
1 .I forgot to mention that she masturbated me for a short time and I don't know if she has vaginal fluid in her hand .
2 . I masturbated her quite hard and stuck and stirred 2 or 3 of my finger into her vagina really deep (and I don't know if I touched the infectious fluids) ,after that I covered my penis with my hands immediately as she tried to put my penis into her vagina.
I know my mind is playing tricks on me ,I'll try my best to let go of this concern after I list all my concern.

[jkinatl2]

thanks all for your reply.
1 .I forgot to mention that she masturbated me for a short time and I don't know if she has vaginal fluid in her hand .
2 . I masturbated her quite hard and stuck and stirred 2 or 3 of my finger into her vagina really deep (and I don't know if I touched the infectious fluids) ,after that I covered my penis with my hands immediately as she tried to put my penis into her vagina.
I know my mind is playing tricks on me ,I'll try my best to let go of this concern after I list all my concern.

It doesn't matter that you had vaginal fluif on your hand, or that she did.

I honestly don't think you are even reading our replies.

You were not in any way at risk. Please stop arguing for us to change our minds.

[jsshanjiang]

thanks,I read all through your reply.but I am wondering if a erect penis can reach the infectious fluid,my finger can do that,too?and I inserted my finger into her anus a little little bit I think, then I immediately put my hands on my penis(covered)would that be risky? I just want to know the mechanisms .I see somewhere in this forum that said the virus can't move by its own? could that possibly explain my worries ?as I took the virus out on my hand and put it on my penis?

Excuse me for so bothering.

[Ann]

jss,

In adults, hiv is transmitted by:

Unprotected anal intercourse.

Unprotected vaginal intercourse.

Sharing drug injecting equipment.

And that's it.

It is NOT transmitted through fingering.

It is NOT transmitted through kissing or having any body part licked.

It is NOT transmitted through rubbing body parts together without penetration.

You did NOT have a risk for hiv infection.

If you read the Welcome Thread before posting like you're supposed to, you will have read the following posting guideline:

Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). If you continue to post excessively after one Time Out, you may be given a second Time Out which will last eight weeks. There is no third Time Out - it is a permanent ban. The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.

Please consider yourself warned!

Ann

[jsshanjiang]

thanks for your answer.but have you happened  to see my last question that's what I'm concerned the most right now.thanks

[Andy Velez]

thanks,I read all through your reply.but I am wondering if a erect penis can reach the infectious fluid,my finger can do that,too?and I inserted my finger into her anus a little little bit I think, then I immediately put my hands on my penis(covered)would that be risky? I just want to know the mechanisms .I see somewhere in this forum that said the virus can't move by its own? could that possibly explain my worries ?as I took the virus out on my hand and put it on my penis?

Excuse me for so bothering.

You're making this way more complicated than it actually is. HIV is a fragile virus and is not transmitted from rectum or vagina by getting on your hand and then on to your penis. It simply does not happen that way because even if present the virus would not be in a viable form in that manner.

You need to let go of this now and move on with your life.  Ann has given you a warning and you are just about at the point now of getting a Time Out.

[jsshanjiang]

thanks,Andy
I don't mean to be so bothering,but this would be my last concern over this possible exposure.

I think I didn't state clearly of my concern from last possible exposure.
to be brief,

I hit against the vaginal field of a girl with my penis and with both of our underwear on.

what I am unsure is that if there is any penetration present. as I said I hit against her viginal field.
although I was in my underwear,so did her,I may dipped or penetrated her a little bit without noticing,
as I mentioned earlier ,I found her underwear was totally wet,so was the tip of my underwear.

what is the risk fro me over this possible exposure.

thanks all,

[anniebc]

JSS...you have been told you did not have a risk, nothing you describes put you at risk for HIV, hear are the four ways HIV is transmitted:

Semen, vaginal fluid, breast milk and blood.

You did not penetrate the lady, you are not breast feeding and there was no blood,so now do you understand that you did not put yourself at risk.

So unless you want to be banned from this forum I suggest you let this go, educate yourself on how HIV is and isn't transmitted and get on with your life.

Jan

[jsshanjiang]

thanks ,Jan.
have you read through my last question.that's the only concern left for me.

I would not post endlessly and this will be my last concern over this possible exposure.

please excuse me.

[Ann]

jss,

You've been repeatedly told that you HAVE NOT HAD A RISK FOR HIV INFECTION!!!

I'm giving you that time out you've been warned about. Do not attempt to create a new account to get around your time out because if you do, you will be permanently banned.

Ann