Author Topic: Who is getting the swine flu vaccine? (Read 29411 times)

mecch · « **on:** November 20, 2009, 04:59:55 am »

In Switzerland they are giving the H1N1 vaccine in priority to certain categories of people (pregnant, or heart or lung problems, or compromised immunity or families of same).

My ID said I'm not on the list since I don't have compromised immunity.

Anyone really insisting on getting this vaccine for themselves - and why, or why not?

I don't want regular flu and I don't want swine flu either!

Cliff · « **Reply #1 on:** November 20, 2009, 05:53:44 am »

Got both. Doc called and said I need a swine flu booster in a few weeks. Plus they gave me Pneumax, just for good measure. Aversion to vaccines is foreign to me. I just get them.

max123 · « **Reply #2 on:** November 20, 2009, 06:36:19 am »

hi mecch.

i got the h1n1 vax last week...injectable. piece of cake.

max

GNYC09 · « **Reply #3 on:** November 20, 2009, 07:54:18 am »

I don't understand how certain people are being "given priority" in the U.S. Yesterday I went to get the H1N1 vaccine at a local clinic and there was a line of 200 people that I would have had to wait behind. It was a mix of people and it looked like many were luckily not "high risk." I ended up skipping the line - I'll try again tomorrow.

GSOgymrat · « **Reply #4 on:** November 20, 2009, 07:57:42 am »

I work for a hospital and I'm still waiting for permission to get the H1N1 shot. I was told it will probably be 2010 before counselors get it even though we work in the emergency room.

Jeff G · « **Reply #5 on:** November 20, 2009, 08:23:51 am »

I got my H1N1 shot yesterday at the health Dept. in Birmingham Alabama . I was in and out of there in less than 10 minutes .

carousel · « **Reply #6 on:** November 20, 2009, 08:28:18 am »

I've had one flu jab and will have swine flu jab next week.

midland moe · « **Reply #7 on:** November 20, 2009, 09:19:33 am »

i read too much about what goes into those vaccines....ill pass on the mercury

emeraldize · « **Reply #8 on:** November 20, 2009, 09:25:07 am »

Getting it tomorrow at a health dept. clinic . Intending to go at least one hour early, with lawn chair. It's expected to be a long line of folks. Maybe the Mercury will help me get the Lead out!!

StacheBC · « **Reply #9 on:** November 20, 2009, 09:52:31 am »

Got mine (H1N1 and seasonal) over 2 weeks ago. It was free for us HIV people... heck for free even injection on the forehead.!!!

As usual always seem to come down with a cold after getting the flu vaccine... already over cold now.

leatherman · « **Reply #10 on:** November 20, 2009, 10:28:52 am »

since I moved, every time I go visit my new clinic they seem to be stabbing me.

The first visit was the regular flu shot. The next time was blood for the lab work. This time was h1n1 and pneumonia. They've already scheduled hep A for my next visit.

Normally I wouldn't have taken any of these shots but being in a new state around new germs instead of the germs I was used to in OH for 25 yrs, I figured I'd take all these shots at least this first year in SC

BassMan · « **Reply #11 on:** November 20, 2009, 11:56:56 am »

I've had both - seasonal and H1N1 - and apart from the usual local tenderness around the injection site, nothing remarkable to report. I also often get a cold after the flu shot, so we'll wait and see.

Here in the UK, being positive automatically puts you on the priority list, irrespective of the actual state of your immune system. There does seem to be a difference of opinion however as to whether a booster shot is required. My ID doc said it wasn't necessary, because measured immune responses to a single shot had been generally higher in HIV positive folk than was expected. But my GP (here in the UK it's GP's who are administering the H1N1 vaccine) said that their NHS guidelines stated a second shot was indicated for anyone with HIV.

Carl,
Manchester, UK

WildcatCC · « **Reply #12 on:** November 20, 2009, 12:15:34 pm »

Got both. No side effects. No injection site pain.

tommy246 · « **Reply #13 on:** November 20, 2009, 12:19:06 pm »

IM in spain and had the normal flu jab 2 weeks ago and due to take swine flu jab this tuesday 3 week gap reccomended, they only started last week also my wife who is on immune suppresants for chronic illness is getting it, i want it after having pnuemonia in august i could be in trouble with my lungs, even though im recovered and now on atripla with ok numbers.

Basquo · « **Reply #14 on:** November 20, 2009, 02:15:17 pm »

It's required at my work, so I got mine last week. No pain whatsoever.

Nestor · « **Reply #15 on:** November 20, 2009, 02:16:49 pm »

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read too much about what goes into those vaccines....ill pass on the mercury

My sentiments exactly!

Nestor · « **Reply #16 on:** November 20, 2009, 02:18:11 pm »

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It's required at my work, so I got mine last week. No pain whatsoever.

Do you work in health care?

Edit: My reason for asking this, as I explain below, is related to another conversation in a recent thread. There, someone else said that getting the vaccine was mandatory where he worked, and when I expressed surprise at this, his working in health care was presented as an explanation for the requirement. Now you also mention being required by work to get the vaccine, so I wanted to find out whether this meant that you too worked in health care or whether the practice was spreading to other kinds of workplaces as well.

David_CA · « **Reply #17 on:** November 20, 2009, 03:37:35 pm »

Quote from: midland moe on November 20, 2009, 09:19:33 am

i read too much about what goes into those vaccines....ill pass on the mercury

Quote from: Nestor on November 20, 2009, 02:16:49 pm

My sentiments exactly!

Not all H1N1 vaccine has thimerosal (not mercury, though it does contain an organomercuric compound). Single-dose syringes do not, supposedly, need preservatives and do not contain thimerosal. It might be prudent to find out if the vaccine you'd be receiving contains it or not before deciding against it. The problems with mercury and thimerosal tend to be with very young children anyway... not adults. Besides, thimerosal is used in most vaccines, but not single-dose syringes.

Back to the original question... I had mine today. It was virtually pain-free and certainly was less noticeable than the seasonal flu vaccine that I had back in October.

Miss Philicia · « **Reply #18 on:** November 20, 2009, 04:16:33 pm »

Nestory, do you have a medical degree?

WillyWump · « **Reply #19 on:** November 20, 2009, 04:34:08 pm »

Well after reading this thread I thought I might call my doc and see if I need to get it. The answer was "it would be a good idea" so I'm going in on Monday.

-Will

Nestor · « **Reply #20 on:** November 20, 2009, 05:02:16 pm »

Miss Philicia,

Was your question as to whether I have a medical degree prompted by my having asked Basquo whether he worked in health care? The reason for my asking that was simple. In the last thread on the subject someone said that the vaccine was mandatory where he worked, and in response to my comments on that topic someone else pointed out that that person worked in health care. Now Basquo says that his work also required him to get the vaccine, so I wanted to find out whether he worked in health care too. Adults being required by their work to get vaccinated is something new to me, so I wanted to find out whether it is only among people working in health care that this happens, or whether the practice is more widespread.

Lou-ah-vull · « **Reply #21 on:** November 20, 2009, 06:53:50 pm »

Like DavidNC, I had the seasonal shot a few weeks ago and the H1N1 shot last week. The injection for the seasonal shot hurt more than last week's. Otherwise, no side effects at all. I went to a mass immunization in Louisville for H1N1 shot...over 16,000 in two days. It was done primarily in our cars at a football stadium parking lot (in other words a drive by injection.)

Gary

emeraldize · « **Reply #22 on:** November 20, 2009, 10:30:26 pm »

"I went to a mass immunization in Louisville for H1N1 shot...over 16,000 in two days. It was done primarily in our cars at a football stadium parking lot (in other words a drive by injection.)"

What a great idea!!!

Sky · « **Reply #23 on:** November 20, 2009, 11:29:21 pm »

After watching it devour several patients in the ICU I work in I got it the first day it was offered....now the SOB has mutated against all known treatments against it.

tokyodecadence · « **Reply #24 on:** November 21, 2009, 12:09:56 am »

Quote from: emeraldize on November 20, 2009, 10:30:26 pm

"I went to a mass immunization in Louisville for H1N1 shot...over 16,000 in two days. It was done primarily in our cars at a football stadium parking lot (in other words a drive by injection.)"

What a great idea!!!

That is so hillbilly. And by "hillbilly", I mean "awesome".

But I got a h1n1 and a seasonal. On the same day. I'm so gangster.

bocker3 · « **Reply #25 on:** November 21, 2009, 12:21:02 am »

Quote from: GNYC09 on November 20, 2009, 07:54:18 am

I don't understand how certain people are being "given priority" in the U.S. Yesterday I went to get the H1N1 vaccine at a local clinic and there was a line of 200 people that I would have had to wait behind. It was a mix of people and it looked like many were luckily not "high risk." I ended up skipping the line - I'll try again tomorrow.

Certain people get "priority" because the availability of the vaccine is low right now and some folks have a higher risk of a much worse outcome than the "average person" from getting this flu -- pregnant woman for one. The folks may have not "looked" high risk because perhaps they weren't, or... perhaps they are newly pregnant, or asthmatic but having a "good day"... not sure what you expected them to look like.

I got mine 2 weeks ago -- our county health dept got smart and had folks sign up, either on-line or by phone for the supply they had that day. 75 every 30 mins until the 1500 or so doses were gone. No lines resulted -- I was in and out in under 10 mins. No problems with the shot -- or since.

Mike

GNYC09 · « **Reply #26 on:** November 21, 2009, 12:31:07 am »

Quote from: bocker3 on November 21, 2009, 12:21:02 am

Certain people get "priority" because the availability of the vaccine is low right now and some folks have a higher risk of a much worse outcome than the "average person" from getting this flu -- pregnant woman for one. The folks may have not "looked" high risk because perhaps they weren't, or... perhaps they are newly pregnant, or asthmatic but having a "good day"... not sure what you expected them to look like.

I got mine 2 weeks ago -- our county health dept got smart and had folks sign up, either on-line or by phone for the supply they had that day. 75 every 30 mins until the 1500 or so doses were gone. No lines resulted -- I was in and out in under 10 mins. No problems with the shot -- or since.

Mike

Well of course I expected them all to be either pregnant or look completely bedraggled.
Because it's silly to assume the NYC Dept of Health would be anything but disorganized and just have any ole Sally from the street just line up.

Edited: well I finally got somebody on the phone and it turns out this weekend there is only one clinic in Manhattan offering the H1N1 vaccine (in a school in Harlem) and you have to be in a high risk group to get the vaccine at this location. I was also told you don't have to show proof that you're in a high risk group, the would just accept your word. I am glad many here have been able to get their vaccine.

AndyArrow · « **Reply #27 on:** November 21, 2009, 12:57:22 am »

I was at my clinic today and the doctor told me I was getting both the seasonal (which is said was very mild so far this year) and the H1N1 (which he described as being "everywhere")One in each arm. Since my CD4s are just above the 300 mark I agreed it was a good idea to get both.

Next month I get to go back for the pnuemovax & the hep A ... what joy!

tednlou2 · « **Reply #28 on:** November 21, 2009, 01:49:27 am »

I got mine at the Louisville event too. You just drove up in your car. I would recommend everyone get it. I've read the mercury in it is the same as eating a piece of seafood. I never got flu vaccines until last year after I got sick. I was afraid of vaccines, too.

I got the flu last December that turned into strep-pneumonia. I ended up in the hospital for a week. They said I would have died if I hadn't come in right then. That is when I found out I was poz. I'm sure if I would have gotten seasonal flu shot last year, I probably wouldn't have gotten sick. However, I probably wouldn't have found out I was poz until my numbers were really bad. I was afraid to get tested, because I felt I probably was poz. I just lived in denial--not wanting that news.

I have also gotten the pneumonia vaccine, Hep A and B vaccines. I've read that we should also get tentanus and meningitis vaccines. I've read conflicting info about getting MMR vaccine. Some say we should get the measle, mumps, and rubella vaccines. However, others say HIVers should NOT get MMR. I've also read that if your CD-4 is below 200, you may not create a good immune response and may need a booster. I was given the pneumonia vaccine in the hospital when CD-4 was below 200. I wonder whether I got a good immune response. I've also read the pneumonia vaccine won't necessarily prevent pneumonia...rather it should make it less severe if you do get it.

My immune health has been a big question for me. When I was sick in the hospital, my CD-4 was just 171 at 19%. After getting better, my CD-4 rebounded to over 1,000 and is currently 800. Even though I cannot be sure, I'm sure my CD-4 was similar last year before getting sick. The docs told me to ignore that 171 number, because it was artificially low due to being sick. This is why I got the H1N1 vaccine. I'm still not on meds due to my "good" numbers almost exactly one year from when I got sick. I worry I could get sick again and my numbers crash. It is very perplexing. Everyone keeps telling me I'm in very good shape and I shouldn't worry about getting sick like that again. I point to the fact that I got deathly ill last year. If anything, my immune system should be worse than one year ago.

My point is that I'm not sure we can feel secure about our "good" numbers. I've read HIV could have done more damage than our numbers are telling. I would definitely tell HIVers to get all the recommended vaccines. I also quit smoking last year since learning smoking damages the filters in your body and that smokers are more likely to get pneumonias. Also, if you get severe pains in your chest, back, or side, get to the doc. I had the worse pains I've ever had in my shoulder blade and side. I passed it off as a pulled muscle. When they listened to my lungs, they sounded clear. I didn't have the usual lung sounds they normally hear with someone with pneumonia. I don't think I even had fever often seen with bacterial pneumonia. This could be due to taking Tylenol, which is fever reducer.

onemoretime · « **Reply #29 on:** November 21, 2009, 02:38:10 am »

I want the god dam thing.. but no one has it I mean my ID doc or my regular doc. i have't looked into the clinics. i want a drive thru joint..LOL NYC dosn't have them

minismom · « **Reply #30 on:** November 21, 2009, 07:45:33 am »

Ted, from what I remember, MMR is a live virus. Mim's PID recommended that she not get any live virus shots.

They had one of those mass stabbings at a local highschool. My dad was asked to head the security team. Only children under the age of 8, or children 8 - 18 with a documented (note from the doctor) health issue, and pregnant women (again, with their lab tests in hand) where allowed to even get in line. There was a check-point into the parking lot where security checked documentation before they were even allowed to park.

As they were allowed to park, everyone getting the vaccine was given a number - no need to stand in line. They opened the gym and several classrooms so folks could sit down inside. They also served cookies, juice, and coffee. Sounds harsh, but it made sure that only those who were "supposed" to have the shot got it. It also cut down on long lines and needless waiting. There were 3000 doses available. Once 3000 people had parked and gotten tickets, no more were allowed in.

Mum

mecch · « **Reply #31 on:** November 21, 2009, 09:15:47 am »

Its amazing how scattershot is the protocal all over the world for this vaccine.

Dale Parker · « **Reply #32 on:** November 21, 2009, 12:59:21 pm »

I got my shot 2 weeks ago. I don't usually bother with the flu shot but figured with my CD4 count being 157 I should get it. They had a special program open to all the people of the medical center that I go to. My doc said to wait for a month to get the regular flu shot.
My god daughter went for hers and they wouldn't give it to her. Turned out she had the H1N1 fever. She ended up in hospital with lung problems because of it. Being a preemie baby (she was born 1 lbs 2 ounces) she has always had minor lung problems. She was in isolation for a week but is home now and doing well.

AboutToStart · « **Reply #33 on:** November 21, 2009, 08:25:43 pm »

I took the seasonal shot a month ago and the H1N1 10 days ago at a walk-in clinic. Didn't take more than 5 mins. I wasn't sure how I was supposed to prove I'm at high risk group (maybe bring lab work showing my numbers??) but no hustle at all - you just mark your group on the form, no further questions asked.

2 days ago at night (a week after getting the vax) I felt a little sicki'sh (throat was sensitive to swallow and headache), but went to bed and got up all well in the morning. They say it takes 7-10 days for the injected vax to "kick-in" (as opposed to the 1-2 days of the nasal spray vax) so I guess that was my body developing immunity.

Jeff64 · « **Reply #34 on:** November 21, 2009, 10:09:42 pm »

Not getting it.

edfu · « **Reply #35 on:** November 22, 2009, 07:56:38 am »

I got the H1N1 vaccine shot last Thursday at the HIV Infectious Disease Clinic I go to at the local hospital. No bad reactions. They were also simultaneously administering the regular seasonal-flu vaccine shots, but I had already gotten that in early October at my supermarket(!). I'm a firm believer in vaccinations.

Last year I was scheduled for a flu-vaccine shot in November, but in early October I came down with the worst flu of my life. I had to get chest x-rays, and I ended up with bronchitis for a month.

luckyone · « **Reply #36 on:** November 22, 2009, 11:06:43 am »

i got mine on Friday,and the regular flu shot 3 weeks ago no problems with either shot my Dr said it was a good idea to get the h1n1 but said to get the shot and not the spray(shot is inactive and the nasal spray is active)there were a lot of people waiting were i went and the preregistration forms ask whether you fit into any of the risk categories which i do (diabetes) but they did not do anything to verify if this was true,so i guess there were people getting shots who did not fit into the so called criteria,you have nothing to lose by trying i guess.

SoSadTooBad · « **Reply #37 on:** November 22, 2009, 06:21:15 pm »

Got mine this weekend at the clinic in Manhattan. For those in NYC reading this, you were not asked to show proof of being in a high risk group. I was prepared with proof, but was never asked for it. I waited in line for about an hour, but in spite of that, it was one of the best planned and organized things I have seen NYC gov't do in the 15 years I have lived here. Go to nyc.gov, find out when the next ones are and make sure you are there!! No charge - which was the icing on the cake.

hotpuppy · « **Reply #38 on:** November 26, 2009, 09:58:37 pm »

Quote from: midland moe on November 20, 2009, 09:19:33 am

i read too much about what goes into those vaccines....ill pass on the mercury

It always dissappoints me when I read comments like this. I am going to make some pointed comments, please take it personally as I do give a damn!

1. Seriousness: I have one friend who was 32 who died from Swine Flu related complications. He was otherwise poz and healthy. Another friend who is about the same age spent 6 weeks in the hospital because of swine flu. This is not a little matter. Even if you have good insurance this could be devestating if you get it.

2. Mercury: There is more than one form of it. They are not all the same. You would need to be injected with about a gallon of vaccine for the mercury to reach a lethal amount. The typical dose is .5 cc which is a very small amount, somewhere in the neighborhood of the size of a pea. A gallon for comparison is the size of a gallon of milk. You would be very sick for other reasons if you got that much of anything injected into you.

3. Fungus: Mercury is added to prevent the possibility of a fungus getting into the vaccine and then into your blood. Bloodborne fungal infections are difficult to treat and usually lethal.

4. Common sense: While it makes for good talk radio, it has no basis in reality to think that the government is "out to get yoU" or that they would deliberately make something harmful. Government simply isn't that good at keeping secrets. Besides which, it's much easier to trump up charges and just go arrest you if they wanted to get you. Make no mistake, plenty of people die each year from the flu and many will die from swine flu. I guarantee that if you could roll back time they would have gladly taken a vaccine shot. News is not news anymore, it's entertainment because that is what sells TV Ads and keeps people tuned in. Keep in mind that what you hear on TV is designed to sell ads, not teach you anything. So if you hear people talking about vaccines and that they have harmful things in them just realize that they want you to stick around and watch the ads. They will say damn near anything to keep you tuned in. It's how they make money which is what they really care about.

Lastly, if you want to skip being vaccinated that is your decision. I think it's a bad one, but you are free to make it. Just make sure you know the facts before you go posting that the stuff is poison. It would be bad enough if you got sick, wound up in the hospital, and died as a result of your choice. It would be worse if your comments led someone else to skip the vaccine and they wound up in the same place.

A 1/2 cc of prevention might save your life.

Miss Philicia · « **Reply #39 on:** November 26, 2009, 10:57:26 pm »

I believe prayer will protect me.

edfu · « **Reply #40 on:** November 27, 2009, 02:43:38 am »

To whom do you pray?

Miss Philicia · « **Reply #41 on:** November 27, 2009, 08:33:09 am »

Limahl of Kajagoogoo

leese43 · « **Reply #42 on:** November 27, 2009, 11:33:37 am »

I got mine today and was told I had to go back for another in 4 weeks. Anyone else being told this?

Miss Philicia · « **Reply #43 on:** November 27, 2009, 07:16:50 pm »

TheRoof · « **Reply #44 on:** November 27, 2009, 07:18:38 pm »

I heard the H1n1 is only effective against one type of strain. So if you're exposed to another one it wouldn't protect you.

I haven't gotten mine yet. Though we will see.

emeraldize · « **Reply #45 on:** November 27, 2009, 08:02:27 pm »

Quote from: leese43 on November 27, 2009, 11:33:37 am

I got mine today and was told I had to go back for another in 4 weeks. Anyone else being told this?

You're the first person I've read of who's been told to come back for another.

edfu · « **Reply #46 on:** November 27, 2009, 08:14:56 pm »

Children under 10 need a second, booster shot to be completely immunized:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33914471/ns/health-cold_and_flu/

leatherman · « **Reply #47 on:** November 27, 2009, 08:16:47 pm »

Quote from: leese43 on November 27, 2009, 11:33:37 am

I got mine today and was told I had to go back for another in 4 weeks. Anyone else being told this?

were you told to come back for another "flu shot" or another H1N1 specifically?
my clinic does a couple vax each time I go, and postpones some till later - so they don't make a pin cushion out of me. LOL I got the seasonal flu shot first and was told to come back in a few and have the h1n1. Definitely check with your doc to see if it's a second h1n1 shot

http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/vaccination/public/vaccination_qa_pub.htm

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How many doses of vaccine are required?
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has approved the use of one dose of 2009 H1N1 flu vaccine for persons 10 years of age and older. This is slightly different from CDC’s recommendations for seasonal influenza vaccination which states that children younger than 9 who are being vaccinated against influenza for the first time need to receive two doses. Infants younger than 6 months of age are too young to get the 2009 H1N1 and seasonal flu vaccines.

GNYC09 · « **Reply #48 on:** November 27, 2009, 08:44:09 pm »

Quote from: edfu on November 27, 2009, 02:43:38 am

To whom do you pray?

Quote from: Miss Philicia on November 27, 2009, 08:33:09 am

Limahl of Kajagoogoo

LOL! Love it.
Gwen Guthrie too.

edfu · « **Reply #49 on:** November 27, 2009, 09:20:36 pm »

Thank you, thank you, thank you. I set 'em up; he knocks 'em down. Don't forget to tell your friends...we'll be here all week.

leatherman · « **Reply #50 on:** November 27, 2009, 09:22:54 pm »

Quote from: edfu on November 27, 2009, 09:20:36 pm

Thank you, thank you, thank you. I set 'em up; he knocks 'em down. Don't forget to tell your friends...we'll be here all week.

ROFL t-shirts and cds are available at the doors as you exit

Miss Philicia · « **Reply #51 on:** November 27, 2009, 10:14:37 pm »

Quote from: GNYC09 on November 27, 2009, 08:44:09 pm

LOL! Love it.
Gwen Guthrie too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib5v40mAw78

don't try it, Miss Thing

midland moe · « **Reply #52 on:** November 27, 2009, 10:30:16 pm »

Quote from: hotpuppy on November 26, 2009, 09:58:37 pm

It always dissappoints me when I read comments like this. I am going to make some pointed comments, please take it personally as I do give a damn!

1. Seriousness: I have one friend who was 32 who died from Swine Flu related complications. He was otherwise poz and healthy. Another friend who is about the same age spent 6 weeks in the hospital because of swine flu. This is not a little matter. Even if you have good insurance this could be devestating if you get it.

Im glad your so sure of your arguments...the question was put out there "who is getting shots" and I answered along with my belief that mercury, among other things, is my reaso\n to not get Vaccinated. Dont come along and warn me about giving my opinion when asked. Im sorry your friend died, I take it your not a doctor so pardon me for not accepting at face value "He was otherwise poz and healthy." because at best thats just what he told you his situation was or was your non qualified asessment of his situation.

Quote from: hotpuppy on November 26, 2009, 09:58:37 pm

2. Mercury: There is more than one form of it. They are not all the same. You would need to be injected with about a gallon of vaccine for the mercury to reach a lethal amount. The typical dose is .5 cc which is a very small amount, somewhere in the neighborhood of the size of a pea. A gallon for comparison is the size of a gallon of milk. You would be very sick for other reasons if you got that much of anything injected into you.

As for how much mercury is in the h1n1 vaccine maybe YOU should do a little reading Ive done mine "Can mercury limits in vaccines be suspended?
Yes, the secretary of health can temporarily suspend Washington’s

legal mercury limit for a vaccine for two reasons: if there is an

outbreak of a vaccine-preventable disease or a shortage of vaccine

available to protect the public health against vaccine-preventable

disease. The H1N1 (swine flu) vaccine qualifies under both reasons.

So, the limits have been suspended."

http://www.doh.wa.gov/cfh/Immunize/documents/suspensionfaq.pdf

again pardon me for not accepting at face value your asessment that it takes "a gallon" of vaccine to kill you...
i dont think this girl got "a gallon" or even a quart of vaccine and look at her

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG5pj_TWJ6o

Quote from: hotpuppy on November 26, 2009, 09:58:37 pm

3. Fungus: Mercury is added to prevent the possibility of a fungus getting into the vaccine and then into your blood. Bloodborne fungal infections are difficult to treat and usually lethal

If fungal infections occur as a result of injections wouldnt NOT GETTING injections that arent necessary be a better preventative step? Flu vaccines by the CDC's own admission have questionalble benefits, and having a compromised immune system further limits any benefit of a vaccine as your body isnt able to mount a defense from the vaccine so it doesnt work at all or as well.

Quote from: hotpuppy on November 26, 2009, 09:58:37 pm

4. Common sense: While it makes for good talk radio, it has no basis in reality to think that the government is "out to get yoU" or that they would deliberately make something harmful. Government simply isn't that good at keeping secrets. Besides which, it's much easier to trump up charges and just go arrest you if they wanted to get you. Make no mistake, plenty of people die each year from the flu and many will die from swine flu. I guarantee that if you could roll back time they would have gladly taken a vaccine shot. News is not news anymore, it's entertainment because that is what sells TV Ads and keeps people tuned in. Keep in mind that what you hear on TV is designed to sell ads, not teach you anything. So if you hear people talking about vaccines and that they have harmful things in them just realize that they want you to stick around and watch the ads. They will say damn near anything to keep you tuned in. It's how they make money which is what they really care about.

I never said there was a conspiracy or anyone out to "get" me...thats your straw man to call my judgement into question, so Ill do the same for you...if you admit corporations are all about making money and willing to "say anything " to get more of it...why do you blindly accept what drug companies say about their vaccines?

Lastly this thread was started to get opinions about the vaccine and as you can see the "for"s far outnumber the "againsts" so i think the consensus here relects the general populations as well...I just happen to disagree..no need to take it personal as you suggested I should your response, its just my opinion and Im entitled to it and when asked for it will give it.

leese43 · « **Reply #53 on:** November 28, 2009, 03:17:13 am »

Quote from: leatherman on November 27, 2009, 08:16:47 pm

were you told to come back for another "flu shot" or another H1N1 specifically?
my clinic does a couple vax each time I go, and postpones some till later - so they don't make a pin cushion out of me. LOL I got the seasonal flu shot first and was told to come back in a few and have the h1n1. Definitely check with your doc to see if it's a second h1n1 shot

http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/vaccination/public/vaccination_qa_pub.htm

No had the flu shot a couple of weeks ago, definately told to go back for another H1N1. Just found this link, so maybe diffeent here in the UK.

http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/pandemic-flu/pages/qa.aspx#whatdosage

For individuals aged 10 years and over with weakened immune systems:
- two doses (0.5ml each) given with a
minimum of three weeks between doses.

Ann · « **Reply #54 on:** November 28, 2009, 09:49:55 am »

Quote from: leese43 on November 28, 2009, 03:17:13 am

No had the flu shot a couple of weeks ago, definately told to go back for another H1N1. Just found this link, so maybe diffeent here in the UK.

http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/pandemic-flu/pages/qa.aspx#whatdosage

For individuals aged 10 years and over with weakened immune systems:
- two doses (0.5ml each) given with a
minimum of three weeks between doses.

According to that link, there are two vaccines available in the UK - Pandemrix and Celvapan. Only the Pandemrix carries the two-dose recommendation. Anyone getting the N1H1 vaccine in the UK would be wise to check which vaccine they're being given and if it's Pandemrix, make sure you get the two shots. The vaccine has only just arrived on the Rock, and I'll be sure to check which one it is when my doc rings to tell me to come in.

It's funny though, I was sick in October with a high fever and sore throat. My ID doc in Liverpool is pretty sure it was probably swine flu, but he recommended I get vaccinated against it anyway, just in case. He said it wouldn't hurt, and just might help.

Ann

veritas · « **Reply #55 on:** November 28, 2009, 04:05:07 pm »

It seems as though the H1N1 flu has mutated in the Ukraine rendering one of the vaccines useless. Here is the link:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/28/health/28flu.html

Does anyone know what type of vaccine is used in the states?

v

veritas · « **Reply #56 on:** November 29, 2009, 05:44:20 am »

For those interested in the origin of H1N1, read this from virology:

http://www.virologyj.com/content/6/1/207

" The three parents of the virus may have been assembled in one place by natural means, such as by migrating birds, however the consistent link with pig viruses suggests that human activity was involved. We discuss a published suggestion that unsampled pig herds, the intercontinental live pig trade, together with porous quarantine barriers, generated the reassortant. We contrast that suggestion with the possibility that laboratory errors involving the sharing of virus isolates and cultured cells, or perhaps vaccine production, may have been involved. "

v

northernguy · « **Reply #57 on:** November 29, 2009, 03:17:53 pm »

An interesting article on what autopsies are revealing about H1N1:

The lungs were heavy, difficult to deflate, and beefy looking. To the pathologist who held them, they belied their own anatomy, resembling a liver.

They belonged to an Ontarian who, until contracting H1N1, had been healthy and in early middle age. Within days, the person was dead, being dissected at Toronto's University Health Network. Pathologists concurred on the likely mechanism of death – an immune system reaction, most common among the young and people in their prime, called a cytokine storm. “Once the inflammatory cascade gets established, it's like a runaway freight train – it's just going to keep going,” said pathologist David Hwang, who consulted on the samples. “In some of these patients, even if you clear the virus, the cytokine storm has already taken hold and it takes on a life of its own.”

It's a fatal irony: A robust immune system can be hazardous to your health. In some cases, it's the reaction to the flu – more so than the virus itself – that sets off the death spiral...
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health/h1n1-swine-flu/as-toll-mounts-researchers-peer-into-the-h1n1-death-spiral/article1381119/

sensual1973 · « **Reply #58 on:** November 30, 2009, 05:16:17 am »

not getting it , hiv didnt kill me so swine wouldnt.

Miss Philicia · « **Reply #59 on:** November 30, 2009, 10:26:09 am »

excellent logic!

max123 · « **Reply #60 on:** December 01, 2009, 09:36:42 am »

i don't get the logic here either.

i'm all for freedom of choice and that lot, but we all have hiv here and as such, have varied degrees of immuno-compromise. personally, i think it's important that we all consider safeguarding ourselves from potentially serious damage swine flu can cause. like hotpuppy, i have a poz friend who got it and was hospitalized on a ventilator for 2 weeks. he did survive it, but lost megaweight and major cd4 headway.

as far as the youtube links, yeah it's sad what happened to the girl & little boy, but the odds of that happening are far less than the odds of any of us catching swine flu and thus, outweigh the potential 'what ifs', imo....kind of the lesser of 2 evils. also, does the vaccine have any more mercury in it than a tuna sandwich???

but like everything else, to each his own.

edfu · « **Reply #61 on:** December 01, 2009, 03:52:28 pm »

Quote from: max123 on December 01, 2009, 09:36:42 am

personally, i think it's important that we all consider safeguarding ourselves from potentially serious damage swine flu can cause.

I agree completely, but there's another important reason not raised on this thread: the public-health one. If one contracts swine flu because one didn't get the vaccine, to whom will you, in turn, spread it? The public-health ramifications of a vaccine-administration program are not intended only to protect yourself, but others. This is one of the ways an infectious disease can be fought: Lessen the number of people who can contract it. It's called containment. That's the reason why sexual partners of someone with an STI are contacted; they need to know they might be infected, AND (it is hoped) they will cease sexual activity until their potential infectiousness is determined and appropriately treated.

It's completely analogous to testing for HIV: It's imperative that you yourself know, but it's also essential to help from infecting others (if you make the appropriate safer-sex measures).

max123 · « **Reply #62 on:** December 01, 2009, 04:11:17 pm »

edfu,

that's absolutely correct...thanks for adding that.

max

Cliff · « **Reply #63 on:** December 01, 2009, 04:20:21 pm »

Quote from: leese43 on November 27, 2009, 11:33:37 am

I got mine today and was told I had to go back for another in 4 weeks. Anyone else being told this?

Yes! My doctor called me in for a booster shot today. Everyone with HIV and other autoimmune diseases are being asked to get a second jab 3 weeks post the first jab (in the opposite arm).

Miss Philicia · « **Reply #64 on:** December 01, 2009, 05:11:51 pm »

So, I got my first post-having H1N1 lab numbers during my doctor's visit this afternoon. Verdict: I lost close to 50% of my cd4's, though my immune system is still intact if we look at my % which actually went up slightly (47%), and my viral load was still completely suppressed. Now as a reminder to some of our fair readers, Miss P had a phenomenal +1,100 cd4 going into this, but has 719 now. And as my H1N1 bout was a month ago we must assume my numbers were even lower at that time, so that's why I say "close to 50%" up above. If your numbers are as high as mine and you not only want to play Russian Roulette and forego the vaccination but also miss up to a week of work when you're sick then by all means go ahead. Most people on here don't have numbers that high so my point is that I'd not want to go into this unprotected if I was in that position, but hey it's not my body.

max123 · « **Reply #65 on:** December 01, 2009, 05:57:02 pm »

break it down, miss p

J.R.E. · « **Reply #66 on:** December 02, 2009, 09:36:12 am »

I just received the H1N1 shot , about 20 minutes ago. I had the regular flushot around October 1st.

Ray

onemoretime · « **Reply #67 on:** March 14, 2010, 02:41:58 pm »

I wanted it back when all the hype was going on and no one had it. then i forgot and never got h1n1 so i don't know. maybe will get one

newt · « **Reply #68 on:** March 14, 2010, 05:42:01 pm »

I didn't and, much as run of the mill flu vaccines I pass by, this one, I wish I did get it not pass by. - matt

MarkB · « **Reply #69 on:** March 14, 2010, 05:49:02 pm »

My GP (who knows about my infection) didn't offer it, and when I asked him about it, said that as swine flu predominantly affects young people he didn't think I would be at risk anyway.

J.R.E. · « **Reply #70 on:** March 14, 2010, 05:56:35 pm »

Quote from: newt on March 14, 2010, 05:42:01 pm

I didn't and, much as run of the mill flu vaccines I pass by, this one, I wish I did get it not pass by. - matt

Hope your on the road to recovery Matt ! Must have been pretty rough..

Ray

Matty the Damned · « **Reply #71 on:** March 14, 2010, 07:10:53 pm »

I got the Mexican Pig AIDS vaccine when it first came out, sometime late last year. The Australian Government bought 21 million doses so it seemed to be unpatriotic not to have it.

I'm told that this year Hamthrax vaccine will be in the normal seasonal 'flu rotation.

MtD

blackwingbear · « **Reply #72 on:** March 14, 2010, 07:18:35 pm »

Quote from: hotpuppy on November 26, 2009, 09:58:37 pm

While it makes for good talk radio, it has no basis in reality to think that the government is "out to get yoU" or that they would deliberately make something harmful.

You might explain that to a few people who received polio vaccines in the years 1957-1959 after they started getting sick.

Basquo · « **Reply #73 on:** March 14, 2010, 09:46:59 pm »

Quote from: matty.the.damned on March 14, 2010, 07:10:53 pm

I got the Mexican Pig AIDS vaccine when it first came out, sometime late last year.

Pity, you should have waited a month or two. The Mexicans were extremely active this season, and I was never disappointed.

Jeff64 · « **Reply #74 on:** March 14, 2010, 11:02:09 pm »

My doc talked me into getting it. Did it and no big deal.

fearless · « **Reply #75 on:** March 15, 2010, 08:38:05 pm »

Quote from: matty.the.damned on March 14, 2010, 07:10:53 pm

I got the Mexican Pig AIDS vaccine when it first came out, sometime late last year. The Australian Government bought 21 million doses so it seemed to be unpatriotic not to have it.

I'm told that this year Hamthrax vaccine will be in the normal seasonal 'flu rotation.

MtD

It will indeed. Question is whether the current N1H1 vaccine will even be effective if a second more potent strain arrives as predicted.

Govt has 21 million doses (in multi dose vials with added mercury) of what might be useless vaccines that it is 'encouraging' people to take.

My understanding of the new season flu vaccine with N1H1 in a single dose vial does not contain any mercury for those that are concerned. It is set to be available later this month from what i understand.

wooffman99 · « **Reply #76 on:** March 15, 2010, 10:06:06 pm »

I received the H1N1 shot 2 weeks before I got really sick, which led to my finding out I was HIV+. I don't think there was a connection between the 2 events. Just a coincidence that I seroconverted soon after the shot. It was not a good start for 2010.

blackwingbear · « **Reply #77 on:** March 16, 2010, 04:36:03 am »

Quote from: wooffman99 on March 15, 2010, 10:06:06 pm

I received the H1N1 shot 2 weeks before I got really sick, which led to my finding out I was HIV+. I don't think there was a connection between the 2 events. Just a coincidence that I seroconverted soon after the shot. It was not a good start for 2010.

Sorry to hear about that!!!

Ann · « **Reply #78 on:** March 16, 2010, 10:15:10 am »

I scheduled an appointment to get my swine flu shot but couldn't attend - because I was sick. My hiv doc thinks it was probably swine flu. I haven't bothered to reschedule the shot. I did get a regular flu shot though, before I had flu.

Joe K · « **Reply #79 on:** March 16, 2010, 02:26:36 pm »

I had both the H1N1 and swine flu vaccine, courtesy of the Canadian government and they provided them in a very efficient manner. What amazed me most, was that they asked you wait, for 15 minutes, after the shot, just in case you had some form of a reaction. They had this huge room, set with chairs and a clock. As I waited, I was impressed by the fact, that virtually everyone stayed the 15 minutes, without anyone telling them they had to wait. The whole experience was that of a shared societal commitment, to protect everyone through vaccination and other than the shot, it was a really pleasurable experience.

natthai · « **Reply #80 on:** September 16, 2010, 10:08:12 am »

Quote from: wooffman99 on March 15, 2010, 10:06:06 pm

I received the H1N1 shot 2 weeks before I got really sick, which led to my finding out I was HIV+. I don't think there was a connection between the 2 events. Just a coincidence that I seroconverted soon after the shot. It was not a good start for 2010.

Interesting, I was in a motorcycle accident on a remote island in Thailand. I wasn't driving but we crashed into a giant pot hole and fell down the side of a mountain. I was badly hurt. Skin and muscle from my left arm and leg were all torn up and I was bleeding badly. My friend was also in bad shape. Because of the remoteness of the location, we had to get a ride to the peer (30m) then a boat back to the mainland (40m) then get a taxi to the nearest hospital (1 hour). We were bleeding all the way with nothing but tissue it was a REAL mess.

Anyway at the hospital the doctor kept asking me if I had a tetanus shot yet. I couldn't recall if I had had a booster or not recently. I told him I didn't think so but I wasn't sure. So he gave me a Tetanus toxoid shot. Later on I found out that I did actually have a tetanus shot two years previous so I should NOT have gotten that shot. I don't know what the effects of over vaccination are but vaccinations certainly effect the immune system. My friend declined the shot.

1 month later I got my positive diagnosis. My infection date happened from a single exposure on Valentines day. Interestingly, my friend was with me. He had the exact same exposure risk as me. I got HIV and he did not. I wonder if the over-vaccination could have in some way weakened my immune system. Is anyone aware of vaccines and immune complications?

J.R.E. · « **Reply #81 on:** September 16, 2010, 10:27:46 am »

Quote from: J.R.E. on December 02, 2009, 09:36:12 am

I just received the H1N1 shot , about 20 minutes ago. I had the regular flushot around October 1st.

Ray

I was concerned whether or not it was too soon to get this years combined shot. I just called Walgreens, and they said it was alright to get it now. So, I will get it this coming Friday. I already downloaded the form. The shot is about $30.00

natthai · « **Reply #82 on:** September 16, 2010, 11:57:10 am »

Quote from: killfoile on March 16, 2010, 02:26:36 pm

I had both the H1N1 and swine flu vaccine, courtesy of the Canadian government and they provided them in a very efficient manner. What amazed me most, was that they asked you wait, for 15 minutes, after the shot, just in case you had some form of a reaction. They had this huge room, set with chairs and a clock. As I waited, I was impressed by the fact, that virtually everyone stayed the 15 minutes, without anyone telling them they had to wait. The whole experience was that of a shared societal commitment, to protect everyone through vaccination and other than the shot, it was a really pleasurable experience.

Are you Canadian, I am aware that Canada has universal health care that covers doctors visits, surgeries and medicines administered in hospitals but it does not cover outpatient medication. Is this true? If so then is there any way to get HIV meds other than private insurance in Canada?

J.R.E. · « **Reply #83 on:** September 17, 2010, 05:11:22 pm »

Well,...that's out of the way. Got my flu shot about 2 hours ago, at Walgreens.

Ray

joemutt · « **Reply #84 on:** September 18, 2010, 02:45:13 pm »

I had H1N1 vaccine last week, it was quite cheap; about 13 dollars at a state hospital in Bangkok.

Oceanbeach · « **Reply #85 on:** September 18, 2010, 03:41:43 pm »

During a normal year of AIDS (for me), I decline the regular flu shot, mostly because I live in isolation (in a resort community?). So, I normally see 1 or two people within a weeks time (a convenience store clerk) and every three months my ID clinic. I don't get out much...

Last year the swine fly vaccine arrived at our HIV clinic the day of my appointment. I was the first to receive the vaccine. There had already been 1 death of an HIV + person in Sonoma County and HIV is considered to be immune compromised here in California.

Have the best day
Michael

natthai · « **Reply #86 on:** September 19, 2010, 07:07:21 am »

Quote from: joemutt on September 18, 2010, 02:45:13 pm

I had H1N1 vaccine last week, it was quite cheap; about 13 dollars at a state hospital in Bangkok.

I was at a private one today and they were selling it for around 700b (23). Still pretty good i think. What do people living in the states with no insurance pay?

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