Disclosure is all we have to protect ourselves from stigmatization.
He knew he was HIV+ and slept with someone without telling them. Essentially he took the choice out of their hands on whether or not they wanted to sleep with someone who was positive. No amount of moral relativism can distance him from that statement. Disclosure is all we have to protect ourselves from stigmatization. Give someone else the decision to make instead of selfishly keeping the information to yourself and >potentially< putting them at risk.
Read the whole post, and you just went way too far.
So the only way to avoid being a jerk is to never get tested. Because anyone with an axe to grind can claim that a person never disclosed.
...
He knew he was HIV+ and slept with someone without telling them.
Put me on ignore with etay. I can live without the ignorance and hubris of a 20 something.
Why not go one further, and publish test results each week in the paper? Like they do for divorces? Based on the logic that nothing beats the stigma more quickly than disclosure, then surely this is the ultimate answer.
Granted, a negative result is tricky, given current standards of testing. But it's a start!
The bourbon and pills always kick in around 9 PM, n'est-ce pas?
DKNY? You couldn't pay me to wear that crap.
your new $300 DKNY jeans
So, I would tell for all other sex, but probably wouldn't if I were the one performing oral on him. Does that count as not disclosing when we should? Maybe it does??
...
It's all to worrisome for me, perhaps I shall just become a celibate HIv+ Monk.
-Will
Yes, thats a big sticking point for me.
Here's my thought process...If I disclose that im Poz chances are I wont be sucking dick with the guy in question. If I dont disclose and he finds out that im Poz somehow, how will that make me look? Or what if by some weird cosmic occurence sucking his dick turns into a commited relationship (lol, right), what then? I'm still not clear on what needs to happen regarding disclosure in this (me sucking) situation.
It's all to worrisome for me, perhaps I shall just become a celibate HIv+ Monk.
-Will
Yes, thats a big sticking point for me.
Here's my thought process...If I disclose that im Poz chances are I wont be sucking dick with the guy in question. If I dont disclose and he finds out that im Poz somehow, how will that make me look? Or what if by some weird cosmic occurence sucking his dick turns into a commited relationship (lol, right), what then? I'm still not clear on what needs to happen regarding disclosure in this (me sucking) situation.
It's all to worrisome for me, perhaps I shall just become a celibate HIv+ Monk.
-Will
He knew he was HIV+ and slept with someone without telling them. Essentially he took the choice out of their hands on whether or not they wanted to sleep with someone who was positive. No amount of moral relativism can distance him from that statement. Disclosure is all we have to protect ourselves from stigmatization. Give someone else the decision to make instead of selfishly keeping the information to yourself and >potentially< putting them at risk.
I see your point. If he found out I was poz and he turned out to be poz as well from someone else, I could see where he could say I gave it to him. We've all been seeing many stories about people being prosecuted. That brings up something else. In a case where you do disclose, how would you prove you told that person if they got it from someone else or from you. Do you need to video the disclosure process? Sounds ridiculous, but it seems like there is a prosecution story every week. How do they prove you didn't disclose to them? In the cases where several people come forward saying you didn't disclose, I could see. If it is just one person, it is their word against yours.
I couldn't let the guy suck me either without disclosing.
So, I would tell for all other sex, but probably wouldn't if I were the one performing oral on him. Does that count as not disclosing when we should? Maybe it does??
In a case where you do disclose, how would you prove you told that person if they got it from someone else or from you. Do you need to video the disclosure process? Sounds ridiculous, but it seems like there is a prosecution story every week. How do they prove you didn't disclose to them? In the cases where several people come forward saying you didn't disclose, I could see. If it is just one person, it is their word against yours.
Videotape each and every encounter. its the only way to be sure.
when no one even turned up poz, would make me worried if I were in the dating/sex scene again.sero-sort and date another pozzie ;)
Thank goodness, there is no personal responsibility for the poor IHV negative victims o us monsters! And I agree with the earlier. If INSERTIVE oral is considered a felony without disclose, then surely KISSING would be. And given that HIv can be claimed to spread through saliva, then any human contact would be a potential risk. Maybe that guy who sat in a puddle of liquid in Vegas a few years ago was right?
Maybe all HIV science is wrong?
Maybe we are, upon infection, monsters, and the rest of the world, potential victims?
I mean, if we are to follow this logic to it's obvious conclusion.
And it's not like I have a shred of evidence to the contrary, unless you ask :)
Yes, thats a big sticking point for me.
Here's my thought process...If I disclose that im Poz chances are I wont be sucking dick with the guy in question. If I dont disclose and he finds out that im Poz somehow, how will that make me look? Or what if by some weird cosmic occurence sucking his dick turns into a commited relationship (lol, right), what then? I'm still not clear on what needs to happen regarding disclosure in this (me sucking) situation.
It's all to worrisome for me, perhaps I shall just become a celibate HIv+ Monk.
-Will
You queens give me serious fucking headaches with this continual disclosure hand wringing.
You queens give me serious fucking headaches with this continual disclosure hand wringing.
It's that post HIV infection morality that one acquires through infection.
We do actually know that he didn't disclose and he also details why. To summarize he states that he couldn't tell him with the threat that his partner might leave and tell other people he was positive. No excuse in my opinion. This guy was sleeping with him for at least a year and half the entire time being knowingly positive. You guys can chide me for being newly infected or riding atop my moral high horse all you want, but I figure that the negative partner in this situation had a right to know what he was getting into, once his partner found out.
I do however agree that this should not be 30 year prison sentence worthy.
I truly think if it is such a big deal stick us on an island and allow us to freely fuck our brains out I refuse to worry anymore I hear it is bad for my t-cells.
ALL HIV+ people in Cuba are placed in camps, with huge fences around them, on the western part of the island; and locked up for life!
Thanks Tim -- see, I do read that filthy AIDS rag when I'm having explosive-D Norvir sessions every day.
So you read them after you shit on them?? Hehe..LOL!
I do read them on the toilet, but when you have lipo ass it really prevents you from sitting on the rim for longer than 3 minutes. At least I won't be getting hemorrhoids from excessive potty camping like most old farts.
My parents tell me to buy a padded rim at Walmart, but I simply refuse to go that route.