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Author Topic: HIV in Kissing and Receiving Oral Sex to Someone with High Viral Load  (Read 2915 times)

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Offline RodnyBlu

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Thank you in advance for reading my post. I'm currently in a torture right now while waiting for my HIV test. I met this guy and now we are dating, we kiss (like pat on the lips).

One time we have like a torrid deep kiss, with tongue and I feel like I strip a skin/layer on his lips, its red but not bleeding (it's like when your lips is dry and there are white skin and been remove), but it's red. I've never tasted blood when we did it, its just that a portion of the upper lip is red. And I also received a blowjob from him, and he tried to put it like very deep.

Unfortunately he was tested positive for HIV and has a CD4 count of 64, and he has rashes. He's not yet on treatment, for he was required first to take some series of tests.

Am I already at risk since I assume he has a very high viral load? What are my chances of getting HIV? I'm scared but I'm already preparing myself for a positive result.

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Hiya,

Read your post three times, You did not acquire HIV from the activities posted here, that much is certain, also these activities require no HIV testing whatsoever.

Receiving a blowjob isn't an HIV risk to you. It lacks the conditions required for acquiring HIV, thus it makes sense that after 40 years of this pandemic in terms of BJ's, there hasn't been a single documented case of HIV transmission to an insertive partner (the person being "sucked"), and you will not be the worlds first.

Kissing also isn't an HIV risk to you.

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Unfortunately he was tested positive for HIV and has a CD4 count of 64, and he has rashes. He's not yet on treatment, for he was required first to take some series of tests.

Sorry to hear that your partner has been diagnosed with HIV. Hopefully, they can start treatment soon to suppress the virus and that will allow their immune system to recover.

If you are still dating, then prehaps you should read this to help understand and support your partner:
https://www.poz.com/basics/hiv-basics/newly-diagnosed
https://www.poz.com/basics/hiv-basics/starting-hiv-treatment

Also, you should know that once a person living with HIV (PLHIV) is on antiretroviral therapy (ART) and has achieved an undetectable viral load* in their blood for 6+ months, they can not sexually pass on HIV.  Meaning at that point in time, even if condomless intercourse occurs they can't pass it on.

https://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=71864.0
 
Here's what you need to know to avoid HIV infection:
Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse correctly and consistently, with no exceptions. Consider talking to your healthcare provider about PrEP as an additional layer of protection against HIV

Keep in mind that some sexual practices described as safe in terms of acquiring HIV still pose a risk for other easier acquired STIs. So please do get tested at least yearly for STIs, including but not limited to HIV, and more frequently if condomless intercourse occurs.

Also, note that it is possible to have an STI and show no signs or symptoms, and the only way of knowing is by testing.

Kind regards

Jim

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Offline RodnyBlu

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We did a very torrid kiss, very deep with saliva all over our mouth and so as he when I received a blowjob from. Since he has low cd4 count (64), it's clear that he already has a large number of HIV copies in his blood. Does it like affect how the saliva neutralizes the virus since it's too many copies are already present? Does it post already a significant risk on my case since I deep kiss a HIV+ guy with high viral load?
« Last Edit: June 03, 2022, 08:06:20 pm by RodnyBlu »

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Since he has low cd4 count (64), it's clear that he already has a large number of HIV copies in his blood

Although often true it's not always the case that someone living with HIV who has a low CD4 count will have a high viral load.

Anyhow, back to the point, regardless of the viral load, it wasn't an HIV risk to you, so you did not acquire HIV from the activities posted here.
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I've met this guy and we are now like in a relationship for 3 months already unfortunately he recently been diagnosed as HIV+ and I assumed he's been positive for almost 2-3 years already since he has like a very very low cd4 count - below 100.

I understand that kissing is not an HIV risk as per search on different websites. But my case was I'm kissing someone who is already living with HIV without any treatment.

I somewhat assumed that all the non-exposure incident I read was because they are kissing someone are actually HIV negative or people with HIV but are undergoing treatment (they just claim that HIV status is unknown but in reality they are negative or undergoing treatment that's why they can't transmit the virus through kissing).

While on my case, I'm already kissing someone who is actually positive and not undergoing treatment (without me knowing it). In our three months, we kiss like smack on the lips, and like thrice we deep kiss with toungue and saliva.

I don't really understand on whether the word "kissing" was just a smack on the lips or cheeks that makes it not an HIV risk. Or does it include "kissing" on every other sorts of "kissing" like french kissing, deep kissing, with toungue, and others.

I assume that all the kissing I read on the internet is because they aren't actually kissing an "HIV+" guy (without treatment and with high viral load) that's why they aren't have any exposure which is different in my case.

I've seen that for low cd4 count, HIV copies are like 100k+. Is it a factor that the saliva becomes not effective in neutralizing the virus since it is too many?

I'm planning on getting tested soon, and I'm very worried that I was exposed to HIV since I was exposed to an actual HIV+ guy with no any treatment. Am I already at risk? I don't want to have any false hopes that's why I'm looking forward for an honest and straighforward opinion on my case. Thank you in advance.

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Hiya,

Read your post three times. Kissing, including with tongues, isn't an HIV risk regadless of your partner's viral load or treatment status. You did not acquire HIV from kissing; that much is certain, and there is no need to test over kissing.

Sorry to hear that your partner has been diagnosed with HIV. Hopefully, they can start treatment soon to suppress the virus, which will allow their immune system to recover.

With treatment, they can live a long life. The other benefit is that once a person living with HIV (PLHIV) is on antiretroviral therapy (ART) and has achieved an undetectable viral load* in their blood for 6+ months, they can not sexually pass on HIV. Meaning at that point in time, even if condomless intercourse occurs, they can't pass it on. https://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=71864.0

As your partner has not even started treatment yet, let alone suppressed the virus, make sure to use condoms should you engage in any sexual activities and you could consider talking to your healthcare provider about taking PrEP as an additional level of prevention.
 
Here's what you need to know to avoid HIV infection:
Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse correctly and consistently, with no exceptions. Consider talking to your healthcare provider about PrEP as an additional layer of protection against HIV

Keep in mind that some sexual practices described as safe in terms of acquiring HIV still pose a risk for other easier acquired STIs. So please do get tested at least yearly for STIs, including but not limited to HIV, and more frequently if condomless intercourse occurs.

Also, note that it is possible to have an STI and show no signs or symptoms, and the only way of knowing is by testing.

Kind regards

Jim

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Thank you Jim for the reply. I can't even help myself to somewhat put the blame on him on whether he got me infected too, it got me so worried that I just can't get myself to what it was before while counting days for my HIV test. I really do hope that I didn't acquire HIV by french kissing my partner. I really got worried when I found out how low his cd4 count and got me questioning if saliva is really excluded in the body fluids that transmits HIV. Thanks again for ready my post.

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You're welcome.

The only way you sexually acquired HIV is if you have engaged in other sexual activities than those mentioned here.

Relax, move on with your life.
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I just got tested a month ago, and it turned out negative. It's like 4 weeks after the incident. It's already 2 months and I'm planning to get tested again this month.

Aside from the deep kissed that we've done (before his diagnosis)...We did other sexual activities, and one is I've received an oral sex from him (this was still before, we are doing it anymore after his diagnosis)...What are my chances of getting HIV if there was an oral sex involved? Is the chances depend on the position?

I was at my laid in my bed when he did it, I'm afraid that since his mouth is on top, maybe his saliva can come down on the opening of my penis and got me at risk. After he did it, I've also masturbated, waited for a few minutes while I'm picking up my lube and I masturbated. He has rashes all over his legs, I'm worrying because he has a high viral load and maybe it may have put me at greater risk. Any assessment is appreciated.

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We did other sexual activities, and one is I've received an oral sex from him (this was still before, we are doing it anymore after his diagnosis)...What are my chances of getting HIV if there was an oral sex involved?

Receiving a blowjob lacks the conditions required for acquiring HIV; thus it makes sense that after nearly 40 years of this pandemic in terms of BJs, there hasn't been a single documented case of HIV transmission to an insertive partner (the person being "sucked"), and you will not be the worlds first.

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maybe his saliva can come down on the opening of my penis

Saliva isn't an HIV infectious fluid, in fact, it's hostile towards HIV breaking down the receptors needed for HIV to infect.

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After he did it, I've also masturbated

Also not an HIV risk.

Look, day-to-day contact with your partner isn't an HIV risk; also, kissing, hugging, touching, rubbing, saliva, and receiving oral sex isn't an HIV risk to you.

Your risks are sexually limited to condomless intercourse and a minute risk if giving a blowjob, so minute it would not warrant testing.

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I just got tested a month ago, and it turned out negative. It's like 4 weeks after the incident. It's already 2 months and I'm planning to get tested again this month.

What you posted so far doesn't warrant any spesfic HIV testing as it wasn't an HIV risk, and I am not going to pretend otherwise. Stop all this worry, drama and stress over absolutely nothing, and move on with your life!
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Re: HIV in Kissing and Receiving Oral Sex to Someone with High Viral Load
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2022, 11:57:07 pm »
Im still with partner right who has recently been diagnosed with HIV, he is on ART for 4 months now. He has a low cd4 count when he was diagnosed. He is getting better now but I know that he is not yet undetectable but we decided to make out.

We did a mutual masturbation, I did masturbate mine but before that, he was stroking my penis with my boxers on. The hand he used was the same hand he use in masturbating. Hes hands were dry because he wipe the semen in the bed.

He also played with my nipples with my shirt on. Im worried that maybe hes hands still got traces of HIV and some the traces went to my shirt, penis and nipples.

Is there any chance I catch HIV in this activities? I only have Prep right now. Its only been 4 hours. Can I use it? And in case I wasnt infected with this activity, is it advisable to still use Prep whenever we will masturbate?

I did not take prep because I was expecting he will touch my penis or my nipples using the hand he use to masturbate. Any honest answers please. 

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Re: HIV in Kissing and Receiving Oral Sex to Someone with High Viral Load
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2022, 12:35:30 am »
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Is there any chance I catch HIV in this activities?

What you posted was Zero HIV risk to you.

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is it advisable to still use Prep whenever we will masturbate?

It's not an HIV risk. No testing, PrEP or PEP is needed over masturbating and touching your nipples.

In short, your adult risks of acquiring HIV are limited:

- Sex; Condomless intercourse & a minute risk when you give someone a blowjob.
- Sharing drugs rigs (Syringes)
- Blood transfusions (Rare thanks to screening)
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Re: HIV in Kissing and Receiving Oral Sex to Someone with High Viral Load
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2022, 12:41:55 am »
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When you created an account with the POZ Forums, you agreed to have only one account. Starting multiple accounts is against the rules of the Forum and will cause you to be banned from our forums.

I merged the two threads from both accounts, and you are banned!

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Any honest answers please.

If you had been my partner, I would have ended the relationship already.

I would not have the time or energy to share my life with someone stressing and acting paranoid about no-risk HIV situations around me all the time.
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