Flu Shot Time !

[Jeff G]

I got my shot yesterday … please get your flu shots people. This years shot is supposed to be more effective than last years.

[PittGurl]

oh ms. anxiety here...LOL.....isn't the flu shot a guess of what they think might come around? meaning we get exposed to possible flu strains that might not be?  isn't the LIVE flu in it?  That scares me  - ive never gotten one at all.

[Jim Allen]

Getting mine next week. I'm lucky as my employer has a doctor on site for 3 days each year vaccinating all staff for free who want it. 

[bocker3]

oh ms. anxiety here...LOL.....isn't the flu shot a guess of what they think might come around? meaning we get exposed to possible flu strains that might not be?  isn't the LIVE flu in it?  That scares me  - ive never gotten one at all.

The shot does NOT contain live flu virus.  The whole point of a vaccine is to EXPOSE your immune system so that it mounts a response -- however, and this is very important, YOU CANNOT CATCH THE FLU FROM A FLU SHOT!!

Mike

[leatherman]

I can't believe Fall has already rolled around. I went to my clinic Monday for a whole bunch of other reasons, and left with a bandaid on my arm. I've been good at getting the shot for the 6 yrs now that I've lived in the Carolinas.

[Jim Allen]

oh ms. anxiety here...LOL.....isn't the flu shot a guess of what they think might come around? meaning we get exposed to possible flu strains that might not be?  isn't the LIVE flu in it?  That scares me  - ive never gotten one at all.

 
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/keyfacts.htm

1 thing is for sure not having the shot at all means it's guaranteed 100% not to help you.

That vs taking the shot gives you a vaccination against the expected flu season stains increasing the chances of not getting sick in the first place.

It's a small shot, it does not hurt and can help keep you healthy.

[Jeff G]

The shot does NOT contain live flu virus.  The whole point of a vaccine is to EXPOSE your immune system so that it mounts a response -- however, and this is very important, YOU CANNOT CATCH THE FLU FROM A FLU SHOT!!

Mike

This is correct … sometimes people have a robust immune reaction to the flu shot and they think they are sick but its not the flu. My mom almost dies every year from the flu shot
( all in her head ) and swears she is sicker than she ever has been in her life and reminds us she is thankful we have never been as sick or had to suffer like she is. 

She never gets the flu anymore since we insist she gets the shot .

[J.R.E.]

Received mine today.  The two previous years, I received the shot on September 22nd. I was one day off this year ! 


Ray

[PittGurl]

Thanks! you guys are great!  I know the Dr is going to insist on it so its good to hear everyone's response so far!!   I guess it will be a first for me!....ugh these firsts....

[Jeff G]

Received mine today.  The two previous years, I received the shot on September 22nd. I was one day off this year ! 


Ray

You previous post reminded me it was time for my yearly flu shot jamboree thread.

[Jeff G]

Thanks! you guys are great!  I know the Dr is going to insist on it so its good to hear everyone's response so far!!   I guess it will be a first for me!....ugh these firsts....

You also need a pneumonia shot … I think they are good for 5 years.

and maybe a good worming … just kidding about the worming. 

[PittGurl]

hahah yeah i got that pneumonia one and Hep A & B i think too

[J.R.E.]

You previous post reminded me it was time for my yearly flu shot jamboree thread.

   Hee,  Haw....... 

[terrymoore]

Hi from the Land of Smiles,
I find this posted is very interesting for me (as a newbie) and, i hope it is not considered "hijacking" if i expand on your post Jeff G. My question is, are these shots really necessary or are they just a convenience. I mean, Hep vaccinations i can understand - its a horrible chronic condition if caught, so better safe then sorry (too bad there isn't one of these for HIV...). However, for the flu, is this just more of a convenience rather than a life saving preventative vaccine? What if i get the flu (without ever getting the vaccine) - am i more at risk of getting the flu and having worse symptoms (life threatening?!) since i am also HIV+ or are the symptoms (and your recommendation) the same for HIV- person? What if my CD4 is at normal levels (above 900) - does that make a difference (i.e. you recommended mainly for people who have a below 500 CD4 count)?
Finally, regarding a vaccine for pneumonia - i never knew one existed - is this relatively new? All same questions for fly apply for this too.

Thanks! BTW- I will check out if these are offered in Thailand and inform you guys.

[Wade]

Hey Terrymore ,
They are very necessary . A bad flu can knock you on your ass
HIV poz or not .  You may still get a light case of the flu even with the shot , but your symptoms will not last long and will not be any where near as bad.
Get Yours ! , also as Jeff said your pneumonia shot.
Wade

[tednlou2]

Hi from the Land of Smiles,
I find this posted is very interesting for me (as a newbie) and, i hope it is not considered "hijacking" if i expand on your post Jeff G. My question is, are these shots really necessary or are they just a convenience. I mean, Hep vaccinations i can understand - its a horrible chronic condition if caught, so better safe then sorry (too bad there isn't one of these for HIV...). However, for the flu, is this just more of a convenience rather than a life saving preventative vaccine? What if i get the flu (without ever getting the vaccine) - am i more at risk of getting the flu and having worse symptoms (life threatening?!) since i am also HIV+ or are the symptoms (and your recommendation) the same for HIV- person? What if my CD4 is at normal levels (above 900) - does that make a difference (i.e. you recommended mainly for people who have a below 500 CD4 count)?
Finally, regarding a vaccine for pneumonia - i never knew one existed - is this relatively new? All same questions for fly apply for this too.

Thanks! BTW- I will check out if these are offered in Thailand and inform you guys.

I've heard many docs and experts say being poz does not make us more likely to get the flu.  They say colds and flu are controlled by the immune system not affected by HIV.  But, we are at higher risk of getting pneumonia.  So, you get the flu and our chances of also getting pneumonia is increased. 

The flu vaccine is one of the best things we can do for ourselves and others.  It may offer 50-60% effectiveness in good match years.  But like the pneumonia vaccine, you may still get the flu or pneumonia, but researchers say having the vaccines may help to lessen the severity. 

 

[terrymoore]

Thanks for the quick replies gents! Ok, between you and my doc's recomendation i'm convinced! - i will see what is available here. BTW, does it matter if i am UD or not to get the vaccine? I mean, should i first wait until i am UD? Also, would it be a good idea to wait if i am soon switching meds?

[bocker3]

Being UD has no impact on getting a flu shot (or getting dental care, for that matter......).  Nor should switching meds matter.
Stop putting things off - your HIV status should not run your life.  Getting a flu shot is a good thing for just about EVERYONE, poz or not.

Mike

[tednlou2]

You also need a pneumonia shot … I think they are good for 5 years.

and maybe a good worming … just kidding about the worming.

I've gotten conflicting info on this.  I got my 5 year booster, along with the newer 13 vaccine-- can't remember name now.  Those were spaced apart, as recommended.  After the 5 year booster, I was told I wouldn't need another in 5 years.  But, I've read many say we should get it every 5 years.  Since I've had pneumonia twice, I will get mine every 5.  It can't hurt and may actually be the correct recommendation. 

As for the flu shot, I got mine in early November the last few years.  I have bought into the waning effect, and flu doesn't normally ramp up here until after Thanksgiving to February.  I have read research that it does start to lose its effectiveness, while others say it is minimal and no need to try and be strategic with timing.  I did learn I did get the boosted dose, which is normally recommended for the elderly.  I think it is the 4x strength dose. 

[leatherman]

However, for the flu, is this just more of a convenience rather than a life saving preventative vaccine?

don't knock those life saving qualities. "The CDC wants reporters to drop the 36,000 annual estimate (at last) and instead say that the death toll ranges from 3,300 to 49,000." Granted many of those deaths are the elderly and young children; but no one is immune - especially immune-compromised HIV+ people.

For as long as I can remember now, we've been saying 36,000 people die each year from the flu.  When we've asked the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for updated figures, they told us 36K was the best they had.

Now it turns out the 36K was calculated way back in 1999, when flu deaths hit a peak.

A new analysis of the past 31 flu seasons, put out by the CDC this afternoon, shows that 36K might have been a third too high. It's more like 23,607 per year, on average. But it all depends on how you slice the data.

The new average is an average of the past 31 seasons. It goes all the way back to 1976. But if you were to look at just the past 10 seasons, the average per year is higher — 32,743.

Or you can look at this way: In some years as few as 3,349 have died (back in 1986-7).  But the highest annual average toll was 48,614, just seven seasons ago (2003-4).

The reason for this wide variation: Deaths peak when the H3N2 strain of influenza A dominates. When it's H1N1 or influenza B, the toll is quite a bit lower.  Scientists can guess which strain may predominate in a given year, but it's only a guess. That's why the flu vaccine doesn't work in some years.  But it usually does.

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2010/08/26/129456941/annual-flu-death-average-fluctuates-depending-on-how-you-slice-it
AUGUST 26, 2010

[leatherman]

BTW, does it matter if i am UD or not to get the vaccine? I mean, should i first wait until i am UD? Also, would it be a good idea to wait if i am soon switching meds?

bocker's right! I'm not UD and I'm switching meds soon and yet I got the shot Mon. I have enough problems in my life right now without getting the damned flu.

[ChrisnTX]

Consider getting the newer quardavalent vaccine, it protects against an additional strain of B type flu. Most offices have it but you usually have to ask for it specifically and supplies can be more limited.

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/vaccine/quadrivalent.htm

[Jeff G]

Another excellent reason to get the flu shot is to do our part to keep the flu virus out of our family's and community . People die every year from the flu so being sick with the flu may not be life threatening to some of us but I would hate to think I gave the flu to a chemo patient or a child with leukemia.   

[OneTampa]

Just got my Flu Shot.

I had the Nurse cracking up laughing too!

 

So, to everyone...



 

[Denvaux]

I don't take the flu jab, even though I get a letter through the post from my GP reminding me to, and another (email) from my clinic advising the same. As far as I'm concerned if the meds are working and as yet I've never had an aids diagnosis -why concern myself with that!

[Jeff G]

I don't take the flu jab, even though I get a letter through the post from my GP reminding me to, and another (email) from my clinic advising the same. As far as I'm concerned if the meds are working and as yet I've never had an aids diagnosis -why concern myself with that!

Um … so that maybe you wont get the flu ? and to prevent you from giving it to others it may harm if you ever did .

[leatherman]

if the meds are working and as yet I've never had an aids diagnosis

these HIV-related issues have no connection to the prevention or treatment of flu

[Denvaux]

I have never at anytime in my life feared catching a cold or indeed the flu.  Infact, I don't know if I have ever even had the flu, given how life threatening it is I suspect that the worst I've ever had is a very nasty cold - one that is commonly dressed up and called the flu.
There are those that state that because of my Hiv status I should take the annual flu jab; yet these same people tell me that my health is good, I don't have aids and I need not worry about my health.   
Now I could be  synical and call them hypocritical but I'd rather chill out and not concern myself too much about whether a bolt of lightening or a speeding taxi cab will strike me down tonight.

As to stressing out about the possibility of me passing on a killer cold or flu to a bed ridden cancer sufferer.....are you for real life man?

[Denvaux]

these HIV-related issues have no connection to the prevention or treatment of flu

You are talking double Dutch;  I have not claimed HAART to be an anti flu aid, I'm stating that just because you've Hiv poz, it doesn't mean you have to excessively stress out about health issues or, moreover, pump any   " vaccine " into your system just on governments sayso!

[Joe K]

As to stressing out about the possibility of me passing on a killer cold or flu to a bed ridden cancer sufferer.....are you for real life man?

WOW, just WOW!

Joe

[Jim Allen]

I have never at anytime in my life feared catching a cold or indeed the flu.  Infact, I don't know if I have ever even had the flu, given how life threatening it is I suspect that the worst I've ever had is a very nasty cold - one that is commonly dressed up and called the flu.
There are those that state that because of my Hiv status I should take the annual flu jab; yet these same people tell me that my health is good, I don't have aids and I need not worry about my health.   
Now I could be  synical and call them hypocritical but I'd rather chill out and not concern myself too much about whether a bolt of lightening or a speeding taxi cab will strike me down tonight.

As to stressing out about the possibility of me passing on a killer cold or flu to a bed ridden cancer sufferer.....are you for real life man?

What stress ? I did not see any stressing in anyones posts, other than people commenting on if they are getting the jab and the possible health benefits for themselves and others around them.

As for the chilling out and the speeding taxi cabs - I hope you do look before you cross the road or would that be "Stressing". too much ?

[Jeff G]

Im for real Denvaux. I honestly do care if I infect another person with the flu . I have family that has medical conditions that could kill them if they get the flu . It’s the same concept as HIV treatment is prevention.

[Denvaux]

Im for real Denvaux. I honestly do care if I infect another person with the flu . I have family that has medical conditions that could kill them if they get the flu . It’s the same concept as HIV treatment is prevention.

Now that's a different kettle of fish Jeff;  you didn't state that in your very short post and anyone that didn't know it very easily could have seen/ as I did, your retort as rather excessive, and yes Mr. Dublin overly stressed out!

[Jeff G]

Now that's a different kettle of fish Jeff;  you didn't state that in your very short post and anyone that didn't know it very easily w
could have seen/ as I did, your retort as rather excessive, and yes Mr. Dublin overly stressed out!

This thread is a simple reminder to get a flu shot and is not anything controversial . Its clear your intent is just to be provocative and stir trouble so please do not post in this thread again. Your cooperation is appreciated .

[Jim Allen]

Now that's a different kettle of fish Jeff;  you didn't state that in your very short post and anyone that didn't know it very easily could have seen/ as I did, your retort as rather excessive, and yes Mr. Dublin overly stressed out!

You do seem a touch stressed on the topic not sure why though.

[bocker3]

It never ceases to amaze me that every year we have a Flu Shot thread and every year one or more come in and trivialize the impact of the flu to sort of justify why they don't get the shot.

If you don't want to get the flu shot -- don't get it, but really, please do so with eyes wide open.  Hundreds of thousands of people around the world die of flu every year -- some years, millions die.  Yes, the odds are "in your favor" that you won't come down with it or have serious issues if you do.  Of course, the odds are even more "in your favor" that you won't get infected with HIV -- oops, guess we were all in the minority on THAT one!

For the record -- I've been getting the flu shot for years and years -- I got it when I was HIV negative and continue to get it now -- not because I'm poz, but because I don't want to get the flu nor give it to others - -including co-workers, my grandchildren or even a stranger on the street.

Mike

[leatherman]

You are talking double Dutch;  I have not claimed HAART to be an anti flu aid, I'm stating that just because you've Hiv poz, it doesn't mean you have to excessively stress out about health issues or, moreover, pump any   " vaccine " into your system just on governments sayso!

You implied that because you were on meds and hadn't had aids there was nothing to stress about nor any concern about getting the flu shot. And what I told you is that your HIV status and meds have nothing to do with making a decision to get a flu test. I'm not even certain why you brought up your HIV status or treatment. Because we are not defined by HIV, you need to make this decision whether you're on meds or no, or whether you have advanced HIV disease or not. Matter of fact, whether HIV- or HIV+, we all still need to make this decision.

Would you like protection against the flu - to protect yourself, and others around you? Those are the only considerations to ponder about taking the flu shot. I would suggest that being HIV+ should add a little more weight in the decision on the side of getting the shot; but it's not the end-all-be-all in the equation.

btw I made my decision based on scientific medical advice rather than just the "government's sayso". Of course, medical experts at the CDC have seen the scientific medical advice also and used that in making their decisions to fund flu vaccines for millions of people around the globe.

[Jeff G]

It never ceases to amaze me that every year we have a Flu Shot thread and every year one or more come in and trivialize the impact of the flu to sort of justify why they don't get the shot.

I could not agree more. Its one thing to not have the information on why getting a flu shot is so important and another to keep insisting its not worth it once you do have the facts. Its always struck me as very selfish to not get these vaccinations so as to assure herd immunity in our community.

[Jeff G]

In order to be fair to Denvaux let us not address any more replies to him in this thread since he will not be posting in this thread again.

[Almost2late]

Perfect timing, got my blood drawn yesterday for my appointment with my ID doc Tuesday so guess I'll be getting my shot while I'm there..

Even before my dx, I've always gotten my shots bc I gotta visit elderly members of my family.. If I don't its really cause I forgot but kinda hard to forget when you got the doc reminding you..

Besides, its just the right thing to do, so happy to do my part.. Never know if the flu you have goes on to kill someone else, just saying.

[terrymoore]

Hi again from the LOS! i hope i can ask a few more (serious) questions - i really appreciate this thread btw - you guys are so much more informative than anything i can get out here...:-)
1. "Flu Shot Time" - does that TIME vary in different parts of the world? I live in Bangkok - so would it me time for me now too? Does it even matter when, as long as i get it once every x amount of time?
2. Regarding vaccine matches - I read in the link that JimDublin posted by the CDC (http://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/keyfacts.htm), and it seems that it is focusing mainly on the USA.  Is it safe to assume that if i get the vaccine here in Thailand that it will cover strains which are more common in this part of the world? Is there any way to check? Finally, if i travel to Europe often, is there any way i can get shots while on my trip there too - meaning, i get the shot here in BKK 9for Asian strains (?), and then, when i get to Europe, i get a shot during one of my visits there to cover the European strains.
Thanks again!

[Wade]

Hi Terrymore,
I would assume they would be the same or similar as so many
people travel , and would want to be protected .
That's a good question for your doctor ,Im not sure.

I got mine when I had my labs drawn this morning  !

[terrymoore]

Thanks, i the meantime i have done some research online and found out that the flew season is almost over now here and that the treatment is definitely available at the private hospitals (see example https://www.bumrungrad.com/healthpoint/june-2015/thailand-flu-season-treatment-care-bangkok-jci-best-hospital. I wonder if the public hospitals give them to regular Thai citizens as part pf health care. In any case i will inform my Doc that i am interested.

[Wade]

Your on the ball !

[GSOgymrat]

I have to get a flu shot for work. They did a round of people before finding out the batch had been damaged due to freezing. All those people have to get a second shot.

[PittGurl]

Question------should my kids get the flu shot too? to protect me?  they are 17 and 11

[Jeff G]

Question------should my kids get the flu shot too? to protect me?  they are 17 and 11

Unless your doctor says otherwise a flu shot never hurts anyone. Kids get the flu so yeah, a flu shot is a good thing.

[bocker3]

Question------should my kids get the flu shot too? to protect me?  they are 17 and 11

If you get a flu shot -- then they don't need it protect you.  However, unless contraindicated, they should get one to protect THEM (and any unvaccinated folks they may come in contact with).

Once again -- flu shots are not important simply because someone is poz -- they are important because they protect people from getting the flu -- which can be life-threatening to anyone -- poz or neg.

Mike

[tednlou2]

I've seen a few friends on FB post this article, claiming the flu vaccine is junk and that it is all a money making scheme.  It always makes me wonder how many of their friends will believe that and decide not to vaccinate. 

The latest came from my cousin, who has a history of posting untrue things.  In fact, she unfriended me for pointing out her photo of Micheal Brown pointing a gun with a was of cash in his mouth was not him.  It was a photo of someone else, which was used to make him look all scary.  I nicely pointed out her photo was not him.  She doesn't take being corrected well.  She is very difficult, often times.  I only saw her post, because she's still friends with family.  But, I digress. 

The guy the article sites is also an AIDS denalist.  And, Johns Hopkins is only involved, in as much as he did some work there.  Here is the article I've seen going around and then the responses.  So, if you see friends and family posting it, you can link them to some real science and data.

http://www.realfarmacy.com/johns-hopkins-scientist-reveals-shocking-report-flu-vaccines/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevensalzberg/2014/11/03/shocking-report-on-flu-vaccine-is-neither-shocking-nor-correct/

http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/flushot.asp

[Jeff G]

Ted ... why even post something like this unless you have links to credible sites. The two working links you provided are not credible sources and one link I could not get to work at all.

If you find a story saying John Hopkins or the Mayo Clinic said something there should be a link in the story ( or your post ) that will take you there, if not its probably not true. Getting a flu shot is important so its probably not the best idea to post junk like in this in a thread unless you do your homework first. 

Other than that love you madly  .

[tednlou2]

Ted ... why even post something like this unless you have links to credible sites. The two working links you provided are not credible sources and one link I could not get to work at all.

If you find a story saying John Hopkins or the Mayo Clinic said something there should be a link in the story ( or your post ) that will take you there, if not its probably not true. Getting a flu shot is important so its probably not the best idea to post junk like in this in a thread unless you do your homework first. 

Other than that love you madly  .

Was the Forbes and Snopes not credible sites.  They both debunked what this guy was saying, going point by point.  The links work for me.

[Jeff G]

The forbes site is now working and it links to john Hopkins but not to a page that has anything to do with a flu shot . The first link is a a anti vaccine website site . I didn’t have the time to go hunting for stuff  shady sites say exist on credible ones … Im just pointing out that bringing up this could mislead people … you pretty much posted articles saying that anti flu shot advocates are spouting BS and nothing to  that you link to suggest shot is not beneficial  . I was mostly commenting because I was confused as to why you would bother to post this especially since one site links to a known HIV denialists. I was wondering if you even read it … that could explain why you would post it … lots of people repost stuff from FB and share it without knowing or vetting if its credible or even worth reading.


From your link …
First, as has already pointed out, Doshi is not a virologist or an epidemiologist, but rather an anthropologist who studies comparative effectiveness research. He never conducted influenza research at Hopkins. (He’s now an Assistant Professor at the University of Maryland’s School of Pharmacy.) Second, Doshi’s 2013 article was an opinion piece (a “feature”), not an original research article, and it did not report any new findings. Third, it is highly misleading to suggest (as the anti-vax article’s title does) that Doshi somehow represents Johns Hopkins University. At Johns Hopkins Hospital, the flu vaccine is required of all personnel who have contact with patients, as a good-practices effort to minimize the risk that a patient will catch the flu from a caregiver.


And …
Doshi uses this sleight-of-hand to suggest that the vaccine may not be beneficial at all. He never says this outright—instead, he just questions, again and again, whether the precise percentages reported in published studies are accurate. For example, he makes a big deal of a CDC announcement in 2013 that the vaccine’s effectiveness was only 62%. He casts doubt with phrases like

“the 62% reduction statistic almost certainly does not hold true for all subpopulations”

[tednlou2]

Maybe it is because I'm currently sick myself, but I'm just not following ya, Jeff.  I've seen 4 friends and family post the junk about the flu vaccine not being effective and actually causing health problems.  We have anti-flu vaccine members here.  I posted rebuttals to this guys claims, which go point by point.  They debunk his claims and give evidence why the flu vaccine is effective and good health policy. 

I didn't understand this thing you said, "you pretty much posted articles saying that anti flu shot advocates are spouting BS and nothing to  that you link to suggest shot is not beneficial."  Did you mean to say I didn't post anything saying the flu vaccine IS beneficial?  If that's the case, the articles do say the flu vaccine is very much beneficial.

Again, maybe I'm just not following you well, because I'm currently sick.  I will say I will not be timing the flu shot from now on.  I got it early November last year and felt I would just get it again on the year anniversary.  I've thought I have had a cold, since I didn't have fever.  This began Saturday with sniffles and not feeling great, but no fever.  Today fever hit at 100.4.  I always thought flu didn't ramp up but just hit, bam, all at once.  I'm hoping this isn't the flu, 5 days after starting to get symptoms.  Anyway, I will get the flu shot as soon as it become available next time.  There are already confirmed cases here in Louisville. 

[Jeff G]

I hope you feel better Ted … sorry you are sick. We can discuss thief if you want when you are better .

[WowThatWasLifeChanging]

I got my flu shot! I also asked about a pertussis (whooping cough) vaccine which my ID doc thought was a good idea since random outbreaks in the states...
It was painful but glad I got them both!

[Almost2late]

Got my shot on the 29th last month, since then been getting night sweats but not as drastic as I've had in the past.. Feel okay in the morning following, might be something else, no idea.

[efox020]

I got mine a week and a half ago I felt a bit sick for about a day or so but been ok since then.

Question, because I got my VL and CD4 count exactly one week later could the flu shot affect the numbers?

[Jeff G]

I got mine a week and a half ago I felt a bit sick for about a day or so but been ok since then.

Question, because I got my VL and CD4 count exactly one week later could the flu shot affect the numbers?

Its doubtful it would effect your numbers in any statistically significant way ... and if it did slightly alter anything it would be short lived. 

[wolfter]

It's sad that we're experiencing a high rate of influenza in our area.  4 people at work are out sick and 1 is hospitalized with pneumonia. 

Fortunately, I rec'd my shot a few weeks ago.  Some were commenting that they need to go get the shot since they've been around so many people already infected.  UMM, sorry but it takes a couple of weeks for complete immunity.

I'm tired of arguing with people about the flu shot whom insist that it actually causes the flu.  But then again, they probably also believe everything Jenny McCarthy spews.

edited: what happened to my profile pic?  Does it go away if you don't log in for a certain period of time?

[Buckmark]

I'm not getting the flu vaccine this year because I don't want to end up pregant:   

http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/texas-14-year-old-virgin-falls-pregnant-after-flu-shot/

Seriously, I am getting my flu shot this week.  While it is not guaranteed to be 100% effective, if I don't have the vaccine it is guaranteed to be 0% effective.

Cheers,

Henry

[tednlou2]

I know someone who says she has the flu (not confirmed), and always says she can't get the flu vaccination, due to allergy to eggs. 

However, I don't understand who she can eat eggs and things made with eggs, but be allergic to the vaccine.  Can anyone shed light on this?  I've seen her eat potato salad with eggs and of course products made with eggs.  Maybe the cooking renders the allergy proteins unable to cause a reaction?  I have no clue.  I thought there was a vaccine, for those allergic to eggs.  Guess I could do some googling.

[Jeff G]

I know someone who says she has the flu (not confirmed), and always says she can't get the flu vaccination, due to allergy to eggs. 

However, I don't understand who she can eat eggs and things made with eggs, but be allergic to the vaccine.  Can anyone shed light on this?  I've seen her eat potato salad with eggs and of course products made with eggs.  Maybe the cooking renders the allergy proteins unable to cause a reaction?  I have no clue.  I thought there was a vaccine, for those allergic to eggs.  Guess I could do some googling.

All you need to know about eggs … right here in one spot .
https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video;_ylt=A0LEVzNnNhxWb1EAZStXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE0OWVhazM4BGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDQjA4MTNfMQRzZWMDcGl2cw--?p=eddie+the+egg+lady&fr=sfp&fr2=piv-web#id=1&vid=e634b21a70afa075497309a23c653874&action=view

[Wade]

I think Edie the egg lady knows all.....

[MitchMiller]

Tried to get the flu shot at CVS today.  I have an Anthem Bronze plan.  The pharmacist said my plan does not cover the only brand they are authorized to stock (fluarix). 

Looks like the insurance companies are now putting up blockades to preventative procedures required by Obamacare.  I didn't have any problems getting it last year at CVS. 

I'll inflict the cost of a customer support inquiry on Anthem to determine what brands are covered. 

[Jeff G]

Tried to get the flu shot at CVS today.  I have an Anthem Bronze plan.  The pharmacist said my plan does not cover the only brand they are authorized to stock (fluarix). 

Looks like the insurance companies are now putting up blockades to preventative procedures required by Obamacare.  I didn't have any problems getting it last year at CVS. 

I'll inflict the cost of a customer support inquiry on Anthem to determine what brands are covered. 

I got my shot at rite aide … they are owned by CVS so I don’t know whats up with that .

[MitchMiller]

CVS does not own Rite Aid.  In fact today it was reported Walgreens will buy Rite Aid.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2015/10/27/walgreens-boots-to-buy-rite-aid-in-172-billion-deal/

Walgreens Boots Alliance Inc. agreed to buy Rite Aid Corp. for about $9.4 billion, in a move that would create a drugstore giant at a time when companies in nearly every corner of the health-care industry are seeking to gain advantage from bulking up.

Walgreens agreed to pay $9 a share in cash for Rite Aid, offering a 48% premium to Rite Aid's closing price Monday. Rite Aid's stock rose 43% to $8.67 Tuesday after The Wall Street Journal reported on the deal talks.

[Jeff G]

CVS does not own Rite Aid.  In fact today it was reported Walgreens will buy Rite Aid.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2015/10/27/walgreens-boots-to-buy-rite-aid-in-172-billion-deal/

Walgreens Boots Alliance Inc. agreed to buy Rite Aid Corp. for about $9.4 billion, in a move that would create a drugstore giant at a time when companies in nearly every corner of the health-care industry are seeking to gain advantage from bulking up.

Walgreens agreed to pay $9 a share in cash for Rite Aid, offering a 48% premium to Rite Aid's closing price Monday. Rite Aid's stock rose 43% to $8.67 Tuesday after The Wall Street Journal reported on the deal talks.

Right you are . I don’t why I was so sure but so wrong LOL …. I looked it up expecting to find out I was right, I wasn’t.

[OneTampa]

I got my Flu Shot a while back at CVS though my insurance with no problem.

[terrymoore]

Hi Guys,
I'm back in this thread because of a talk i had with my ID Dr. yesterday. I went in for her to look over my latest results - as i mentioned in an earlier post, my numbers came back very good and I'm UD with a CD4 over 1000 - hurray!
 I then proceeded to go over my list of questions, coming armed with the knowledge i gain on this site!
First topic on the agenda was vaccines - when where etc.
She said that since my CD4 is so high, i can, but it must be a "non-active" vaccines, and (and this is where she surprised me) she cannot guarantee the same efficacy as HIV- people, and that it may only be "50%-60% effective  - no one really knows" and so i should be aware, and also, 1 in 1 million people who get the shot get paralysis bla bla bla.
I laughed at the paralysis stat - driving a car in BKK has way worse odds than that, and i do it every day. When i asked what to do, she said i must decide...
I was pretty decided going in - you all did a great job of that here. I am pretty sure i will go ahead anyway. However, before i do, i would like to hear any comments you have, reactions etc. A bit about the doc - she is older (in her 60's), she is Thai (with all the nuances and cultural aspects), she DID study and work in the USA in the 80's, she seems very conservative (recommends to avoid sexual contact even with condoms if possible just to be safe etc - HAHAH RIGHT!), she is very nice, but sometimes i find that her polite and sweet demeanor prevent her from giving straight practical advice.
I have more to write/ask about the checkup but i will do that in a separate thread.
Sage advice will be much appreciated!

[Grasshopper]

She said that since my CD4 is so high, i can, but it must be a "non-active" vaccines, and (and this is where she surprised me) she cannot guarantee the same efficacy as HIV- people, and that it may only be "50%-60% effective  - no one really knows" and so i should be aware,

As I understand this applies to people with severely compromised immune system; their bodies might fail to produce the desired immune response to the vaccine.....hence the less/not effective

CD4's above 1000 is not a compromised immune system; go ahead and get the vaccine 

[bocker3]

Thanks for the quick replies gents! Ok, between you and my doc's recomendation i'm convinced! - i will see what is available here. BTW, does it matter if i am UD or not to get the vaccine? I mean, should i first wait until i am UD? Also, would it be a good idea to wait if i am soon switching meds?

So, back on Sept 23rd, you said your doc reccommended it, now you are saying your doc is non-committal (it's up to you - which, I guess, is always true).  What changed?  or are these different doctors?

At any rate - my advice -- find another doctor!!  If she is advising HIV+ people to live a sex-free life (I paraphrased there, but it's pretty much what she said), then you need a different doctor.

Onto the flu shot.  I believe that all SHOTS are inactive virus vaccines and only the FluMist is an active one - though I'm no vaccine expert.  On to efficacy - even if she were right (and I don't think she is) 50-60% efficacy is still better than no protection.  Though my sense, from reading your posts and your never-ending delays for "more information" and "more advice" tells me that you don't want and probably won't get this flu shot.

You SHOULD get it -- but your inaction speaks loudly.

Mike

[terrymoore]

Grasshopper - my feeling exactly! I thought CD4 so high meant nothing to worry about (until i meet her!... )
Mike - i admire and salute the attention to detail! Yes you are correct - she pulled a U-ee on me and it really surprised me. I think she just wants to make sure i know all the cons, but yes, she is suddenly non-commital.
Changing doc - it is something i consider and it has come up with my wife. There are reasons i don't yet, but i will be meeting a second doc soon (he is from France) next month to get a different view of my situation.
And regarding inaction - you are wrong about that one. I was simply awaiting this checkup - something she asked me to do - before taking the shot. In fact i was expecting the shot at the checkup - this is what she told me last time we met. She told me to go home and talk with my wife and decide - which is why i wrote here. However, the decision has been made - I will definitely get it in the coming days. And i truly regret that my "digging" for more info and advice is perceived as a reason to delay and has become a nuisance. The truth is i live in a country where there are not such great resources nor people to talk with. This forum has been invaluable for me and i thought it would be ok. My apologies.

[metekrop]

I got my shot yesterday … please get your flu shots people. This years shot is supposed to be more effective than last years.

I don't beleive my firend.  I took flu shot for the first time in my life this year because I know I will be having a flu once during the year.  But your know what, it gave me a very nasty early flu disease.  I normally is having a flue between the month of December and February.  Now this year I had flu in the month of October which is unusual  and this is definitely because of the flu shot I took.  So, if if is not a very serious issue, please avoid this shot as much as possible.  This is my advise for anyone from this time on wards.

[Jeff G]

I don't beleive my firend.  I took flu shot for the first time in my life this year because I know I will be having a flu once during the year.  But your know what, it gave me a very nasty early flu disease.  I normally is having a flue between the month of December and February.  Now this year I had flu in the month of October which is unusual  and this is definitely because of the flu shot I took.  So, if if is not a very serious issue, please avoid this shot as much as possible.  This is my advise for anyone from this time on wards.

No You didn’t . You may have had an immune response to the flu shot or got the flu before you got the shot but you cant get the flu from a flu shot .

[Jim Allen]

Jeff is correct, The seasonal flu vaccine cannot give you the flu.

From the CDC:
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/misconceptions.htm
(Page updated last September 2015)

Can a flu shot give you the flu?

No, a flu shot cannot cause flu illness. Flu vaccines that are administered with a needle are currently made in two ways: the vaccine is made either with a) flu vaccine viruses that have been 'inactivated' and are therefore not infectious, or b) with no flu vaccine viruses at all (which is the case for recombinant influenza vaccine). The most common side effects from the influenza shot are soreness, redness, tenderness or swelling where the shot was given. Low-grade fever, headache and muscle aches also may occur.

In randomized, blinded studies, where some people get inactivated flu shots and others get salt-water shots, the only differences in symptoms was increased soreness in the arm and redness at the injection site among people who got the flu shot. There were no differences in terms of body aches, fever, cough, runny nose or sore throat.

Also below the links for the HSE 2015/16 Flu campaign & information for anyone based in Ireland:

(ROI - Patient & Healthcare worker FAQ's handout)
 
http://hse.ie/eng/health/immunisation/pubinfo/fluvaccine/PubFluEng.pdf
http://hse.ie/eng/health/immunisation/pubinfo/fluvaccine/FAQ.pdf

[Jeff G]

I find flu shot vaccine nay sayers almost as tedious as climate change denialists.

[Jim Allen]

I find flu shot vaccine nay sayers almost as tedious as climate change denialists.

Every year be it in the office / schools or online I hear people tell such "old wives' tales" when it comes down to the flu vaccine. I would laugh if it was not so dangerous.

[RobbyR]

Got mine! And by a hot male nurse no less    That was hot.

I've gotten mine faithfully each year since 2008, when I came down with a strain of the flu. NOT fun. Have made myself get vaccinated every year since!

Usually find that the higher up in the arm they give it, the less sore afterwards. Once a nurse gave it a bit too low down and that hurt! But it's so worth it compared to catching the flu! 

[bocker3]

Grasshopper - my feeling exactly! I thought CD4 so high meant nothing to worry about (until i meet her!... )
Mike - i admire and salute the attention to detail! Yes you are correct - she pulled a U-ee on me and it really surprised me. I think she just wants to make sure i know all the cons, but yes, she is suddenly non-commital.
Changing doc - it is something i consider and it has come up with my wife. There are reasons i don't yet, but i will be meeting a second doc soon (he is from France) next month to get a different view of my situation.
And regarding inaction - you are wrong about that one. I was simply awaiting this checkup - something she asked me to do - before taking the shot. In fact i was expecting the shot at the checkup - this is what she told me last time we met. She told me to go home and talk with my wife and decide - which is why i wrote here. However, the decision has been made - I will definitely get it in the coming days. And i truly regret that my "digging" for more info and advice is perceived as a reason to delay and has become a nuisance. The truth is i live in a country where there are not such great resources nor people to talk with. This forum has been invaluable for me and i thought it would be ok. My apologies.

I am very happy to hear this -- no need to apologize for asking questions here.  I was just a little frustrated because it sounded like you were ready to get one and I thought you sounded a bit unsure after your doctor visit.
My apologies if I came off a little bit harsh -- it's just that a flu shot is such an easy way to protect yourself from what can be quite debilitating and, for thousands around the world each year - a death sentence.

Looking forward to hearing you got your shot!!

Mike

[tednlou2]

I posted this in Research, and then remembered we have a flu thread going.

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/cold-flu/could-cholesterol-lowering-statin-drugs-hurt-flu-shots-effect-n453631

[mecch]

I got flu vaccine in one arm, and pneumonia vaccine in the other.  That evening and the next day, I could barely move either arm. Ouch!

I asked for the zona-shingles vaccine. My ID said wait 2 years because the next one is brilliant and protects for a long time.  He said this one isn't paid by insurance. 

How much?

About 250 usd equivalent. 

I said, gee, thats not much considering how awful shingles is.  He still told me to wait.

Then he said I should get the genetic test for Tivicay. He said that Tivicay is even more powerful than Isentress.  I love Isentress/Truvada - have no issues whatsoever. Neither in the way I feel nor in any of my labs.

He said there is no evidence intensification of treatment has any impact on CD4 cells.

Lastly, I asked about drug stocks. Is there any reason for me to stock drugs? I said as an American it was my instinct to feel insecure. But I stopped keeping a stock 2 years ago.  He said no, never more than a week or 2, in this country. He said supply would NEVER be an issue in Switzerland.  Hmmm.  Isn't that odd.

[bocker3]

I posted this in Research, and then remembered we have a flu thread going.

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/cold-flu/could-cholesterol-lowering-statin-drugs-hurt-flu-shots-effect-n453631

Ugh, I knew someone would post something about this in this thread. 

To be clear - even if (and it is still an IF) this is true - being "less effective" is still better than the non-existant protection of NOT GETTING a flu shot.

As usual -- the article's headline is more about getting people to click and read the ads within it than science, as embedded in the article is this little quote:

"The researchers stress that it's far too soon to assume that the statins are directly to blame. There may be something else different about people who take statin drugs, which prevent heart attacks and stroke."

So, get your flu shot -- even if you take statins too.

Mike

[RobbyR]

I think the evidence is undeniable that getting your vaccines is VERY beneficial to yourself and those around you! I never had a problem with flu vaccines occasionally if they put it a certain way in it's sore but only lasts a day or so small price to pay for not getting the flu! Flu shots are easy breezy. I get mine every single fall. I've had the flu before and trust me I don't want that again! Get those shots! 

[tednlou2]

Ugh, I knew someone would post something about this in this thread. 

To be clear - even if (and it is still an IF) this is true - being "less effective" is still better than the non-existant protection of NOT GETTING a flu shot.

As usual -- the article's headline is more about getting people to click and read the ads within it than science, as embedded in the article is this little quote:

"The researchers stress that it's far too soon to assume that the statins are directly to blame. There may be something else different about people who take statin drugs, which prevent heart attacks and stroke."

So, get your flu shot -- even if you take statins too.

Mike

Do you think people are going to say screw it?  It isn't a story about the two being dangerous together, so it won't scare anyone off.  It is a story that made big news yesterday.  I always thought older people don't create the best response, for the same reason HIV positive people often do not.  It is likely it is still that reason, but so many older people happen to be on statins. 

In the Research post, I made it clear that much, much more research needed done.  What I left out is that many on statins should discuss the quad flu vaccine with their doc, to give them the most dose available-- just in case there is something to this.  That was the purpose of me posting it.  I get the quad vaccine.

[bocker3]

Do you think people are going to say screw it?  It isn't a story about the two being dangerous together, so it won't scare anyone off.  It is a story that made big news yesterday.  I always thought older people don't create the best response, for the same reason HIV positive people often do not.  It is likely it is still that reason, but so many older people happen to be on statins. 

In the Research post, I made it clear that much, much more research needed done.  What I left out is that many on statins should discuss the quad flu vaccine with their doc, to give them the most dose available-- just in case there is something to this.  That was the purpose of me posting it.  I get the quad vaccine.

Yes, I do think some people will say "screw it" over this.  Year after year we see people post all sorts of rationalizations over why they will not or should not get the flu shot.  The media LOVE TO HYPE UP NON-STORIES if the headlines will sell whatever (papers, magazines, advert space, etc).  They want people to link to their stories so that their "click count" goes up and they can charge more for ads.
IMO - this was not a news story -- it was more akin to hypothesis creation than it was about any true causal research results.  However, the average joe isn't going to make the distinction, because they won't read any in depth information. 
The Quad vaccine is already recommended for older folks -- on statins or not. 
This thread is about reminding people to get their shots, I simply don't think it is the place to put anything that might stop someone -- which, I know was NOT your intent at all.

Mike

[terrymoore]

Ok guys - a quick update.
I finally got the shot yesterday. It's been 24hours, i feel fine, all is good. Im looking forward to Judo class tomorrow!
Have a nice day and stay healthy!

[TheNormalLife]

On the vaccination guidelines for us with HIV the shot with live attenuated viruses is not recommended, the like of those that are nasally aspirated; others (injected) are just fine. The info is here:

https://aidsinfo.nih.gov/contentfiles/recommended_immunizations_fs_en.pdf

Will get mine tomorrow because despite my "good" numbers I'm always getting sick of the respiratory system.

Ray.

[chwhyoche]

I do not get the flu shot or pneumonia shots.   The HIV meds are enough and do just fine.   I rarely get colds and I got a 3 day flu about 6 years ago.   

Vaccines have too many additives and toxic ingredients.  I already have enough pharmaceuticals running through my body.

I add more cayenne pepper in my food.  Tumeric is good too.      Rich bone broth.  Use a pressure cooker to get the most out of it.

[Joe K]

I do not get the flu shot or pneumonia shots.   The HIV meds are enough and do just fine.   I rarely get colds and I got a 3 day flu about 6 years ago.   

Vaccines have too many additives and toxic ingredients.  I already have enough pharmaceuticals running through my body.

I add more cayenne pepper in my food.  Tumeric is good too.      Rich bone broth.  Use a pressure cooker to get the most out of it.

While you are welcome to your opinions, you need to be careful about making claims that are simply untrue.  HIV medication provides no protection at all, against the flu and there have been many reputable studies that have concluded that vaccines do not contain toxic ingredients.  Also, the use of Cayenne pepper, Turmeric or bone broth has not been shown to be an effective preventative against the flu.

If you wish to make such claims, we must insist on links that prove your assertions.

Joe

[tednlou2]

I do not get the flu shot or pneumonia shots.   The HIV meds are enough and do just fine.   I rarely get colds and I got a 3 day flu about 6 years ago.   

Vaccines have too many additives and toxic ingredients.  I already have enough pharmaceuticals running through my body.

I add more cayenne pepper in my food.  Tumeric is good too.      Rich bone broth.  Use a pressure cooker to get the most out of it.

I hope you will reconsider this.  The flu vaccine is safe.  You may still get the flu, but it is likely to not be as severe.  The pneumonia vaccine is important, because we are at much greater risk of getting it-- especially if you get the flu, but even if not.  I got a bad bacterial pneumonia and was told I would have died, if I hadn't gotten to the hospital when I did.  Flu and pneumonia are serious and I just can't understand not getting these simple and safe vaccines. 

I didn't even feel the needle going in and had no side effects.  Please reconsider getting these.  These are simple things we can do for our health and to also protect others. 

[chwhyoche]

There's enough evidence that says they are not safe.  Like I said, if it makes any difference, I have not gotten the flu but once in years.   My t cells are high and my viral load undetectable.   I am not at risk for pneumonia.   If I get it, I will take the antibiotics.  Even my doctor says that one of the recent flu shots this past season was ineffective, though she still recommended it.  Makes no sense.

[Jeff G]

There's enough evidence that says they are not safe.  Like I said, if it makes any difference, I have not gotten the flu but once in years.   My t cells are high and my viral load undetectable.   I am not at risk for pneumonia.   If I get it, I will take the antibiotics.  Even my doctor says that one of the recent flu shots this past season was ineffective, though she still recommended it.  Makes no sense.

You are wrong. The flu shot is effective even though some years less so than others. Getting a flu shot is not just about you, its also to protect the community . Google herd immunity sometime.

The evidence is convincing and conclusive that the flu shot saves lives.

[chwhyoche]

I know all about the idea of herd immunity.   
I will take care of my body.  But I will not take one for the team, if I feel that it is not needed or the risks outweigh the benefits. 

But I don't mind if you get the vaccine.   I totally support you.

[bocker3]

I know all about the idea of herd immunity.   
I will take care of my body.  But I will not take one for the team, if I feel that it is not needed or the risks outweigh the benefits. 

But I don't mind if you get the vaccine.   I totally support you.

If it were as simple as you not wanting to take the vaccine, that would be one thing.  However, you come on here and spread falsehoods about toxicity and your HIV meds protecting you from the flu. 

So -- you have a right to choose what you do -- you don't have a right to spread lies, however.

Additionally -- if you think a high T-cell count will protect you from pneumonia -- just remember that most people who get (and die from) the flu and pneumonia are HIV NEGATIVE.  So, good luck with your high t-cells keeping you safe.


Mike

[chwhyoche]

Its not a falsehood.  A lot of the drugs have black box warnings. http://www.rightinginjustice.com/news/2015/10/11/new-black-box-warnings-added-to-hiv-drugs/

Though I will still take the drug I need, because AIDS is far deadlier.

Also, you do not know what the t-cell range is for HIV negative people.   You are assuming they are high, but HIV negative people are not normally tested for t-cells.  For all we know they could be very low. 

Funny, how there's always something more.   A person takes the HIV meds, and then they are pressured to take the vaccines, because the HIV meds aren't enough.   Hmmmm

I have only had the flu once in the last maybe 10 years.   But you know what, murphys law will have it, that since I am saying this, I will get it this year.  haha
Also, prior to the meds, I DID USED TO get mean chest colds, especially in the winter, even as a kid.  But now, prior to meds, I hardly get a cough.   

Trust the meds are working.   Have you no faith?

[Jeff G]

Its not a falsehood.  A lot of the drugs have black box warnings. http://www.rightinginjustice.com/news/2015/10/11/new-black-box-warnings-added-to-hiv-drugs/

Though I will still take the drug I need, because AIDS is far deadlier.

Also, you do not know what the t-cell range is for HIV negative people.   You are assuming they are high, but HIV negative people are not normally tested for t-cells.  For all we know they could be very low. 

Funny, how there's always something more.   A person takes the HIV meds, and then they are pressured to take the vaccines, because the HIV meds aren't enough.   Hmmmm

I have only had the flu once in the last maybe 10 years.   But you know what, murphys law will have it, that since I am saying this, I will get it this year.  haha
Also, prior to the meds, I DID USED TO get mean chest colds, especially in the winter, even as a kid.  But now, prior to meds, I hardly get a cough.   

Trust the meds are working.   Have you no faith?

No one is pressuring you to take a vaccine. We deal in peer reviewed science so when you come in and misrepresent the facts we have no choice other than point out that no matter how well intentioned you are you obviously do not understand what you are talking about.
Other people read this and can easily be mislead by your distrust of accepted science.

Im not agrguing with you or trying to convince you otherwise, my rebuttals are intended to warn people that you are only offering weak uninformed opinions based on personal bias and fear. There is absolutely no doubt that people who are living with HIV need to get the vaccinations that are recommend . 

[leatherman]

A person takes the HIV meds, and then they are pressured to take the vaccines, because the HIV meds aren't enough.   Hmmmm

"hmmmmm", what? you seem to be extrapolating the wrong conclusion there

Just like you are "pressured" to take HIV meds to keep the HIV in check
(although it shouldn't take too much pressure to get someone to decide on the meds, and whatever side effects if any, rather than death by AIDS)
you are "pressured" to take other meds and vaccines to either avoid other illnesses or to treat other illnesses.

one would think that the same logic for deciding to take HIV meds would be the same logic for taking other meds for other reasons.
 
However, just like Tylenol won't cure cancer, HIV meds don't have any effect on curing pneumonia. while HIV meds may be wonder drugs for keeping us alive by fighting HIV, HIV meds are certainly no good against pneumonia, measles, or rubella because that's not what they were designed to treat.

[bocker3]

Also, you do not know what the t-cell range is for HIV negative people.   You are assuming they are high, but HIV negative people are not normally tested for t-cells.  For all we know they could be very low. 

Actually we DO know what the t-cell range is for HIV negative people.  It is these people on whom the reference range is based.  Reference ranges should be based on the range that ~95% of "healthy" individuals fall into.   These folks may not have been tested by their doctors, but they are the basis for every reference range.  How do I know this??  I studied laboratory medicine and worked in clinical labs for many years.

Trust the meds are working.   Have you no faith?

I have perfect faith that the HIV meds will help me live a full life by keeping the HIV in check.  It does not, however, make me immune to influenza or pneumonia.  No way -- no how.  A healthy immune system might help fend it off -- but not always.  That is why, in the US, more people die each year from the flu or pneumonia than die from HIV.

You are living like an ostrich, with your head stuck in the sand.  That is fine for you - but I won't let falsehoods go unchallenged.  Other people's lives may depend on knowing the truth.

Mike

[Jeff G]

I read this today and thought it had some points to ponder.

A doctor’s explanation of why so many patients say no to flu shots,
http://theweek.com/articles/594217/doctors-explanation-why-many-patients-say-no-flu-shots?ref=yfp

[NY2011]

Wondering if anyone had an adverse reaction to this year's flu shot. 

[bocker3]

I read this today and thought it had some points to ponder.

A doctor’s explanation of why so many patients say no to flu shots,
http://theweek.com/articles/594217/doctors-explanation-why-many-patients-say-no-flu-shots?ref=yfp

First - -this link's site is awful!!  I had to refresh 5 times just to be able to scroll through it all (and couldn't even access it in Chrome).

Now that I got that off my chest...  LOL!

So, basically his thought is that people either:

a:  Don't think flu is a big deal
and/or
b:  Want to feel some small modicum of "control" over their health by saying "No" to a vaccine

After reading these annual flu threads over the years, this seems like a reasonable assessment of the poor logic that seems to accompany most anti-flu shot argument.

I wonder how many converts came about as the flu had them on their deathbed -- of course we will never know, as the dead can't write a letter.  I bet some doctor's, maybe even this one, have heard some of these.  Would be nice to have them speak up on their behalf. 

[Jeff G]

Thats odd … it all loads smooth on my mac. Its pretty obvious the assumptions and myth that surround the flu shot and other vaccines are a pet peeve of mine and I own the fact that excuses and misinformation on the subject are an aggravation for me.