Please asses my risk

[Beren12]

Hey guys, just found this site and it is really2 helpful for people like me. You guys are truly a blessing for us.

I would like you to assess my risky exposure please. I have posted this on another topic and i need second opinion from you guys. The details are:

I'm 25, male, 4 weeks ago i had my first sexual experience with a csw in a massage parlour.

It was unprotected handjob, then she put on a condom on my penis and gave me oral sex for a few minutes.

When i was half erect, i tried to put my penis into her vagina for maybe a minute but then i lost my erection and couldnt get my penis inside.

Then i did the stupidest thing, i think i tried to jerk my penis for a while after that with the condom still on to no avail. So i asked her to removed the condom and i jerked my penis till i got erection and i asked her to put on that same condom again and we had vaginal intercourse till i came inside her.

I believe the condom was ok since i read that if it broke i would only have the rim left on my penis right? And she couldnt feel it when i came so i assume i came inside the condom, and then she pulled it out with a tissue and disposed it. Condom looked intact so i didnt test wether it was leaking or not (please give me opinion does this mean there is no condom failure?)

After that i noticed a cut inside my foreskin (i'm uncircumcised) when i took a shower. It wasnt there before. But i thought since it was on my foreskin it must be protected by the condom right?

I only feel burning sensation on the head of my penis for about a night then nothing, so i thought its normal from the friction maybe.

However, within 2 days of that incident i developed ars symptoms like oral thrush, low grade fever, extreme fatigue, rash on my arm but gone within few days, chills, sorethroat and stiff neck. I didnt notice any swollen nodes, but i do feel some pain on nodes on my neck and armpit area, ringing ear. All these symptoms i still have till today. Some comes and goes, while the oral thrush, fatigue and malaise and ringing in my left ear still persist.

My questions are:

1. Is it possible that i contracted hiv from this exposure?

2. The only thing i could think as a risk is if got some vaginal fluid on my hand when i jerk myself with the condom on after i tried putting my penis into her vagina the first time. Could i transfer the hiv from the vaginal fluid on the condom to my penis when i jerked off?

3. Or maybe the csw put the condom on me wrongly (inside out) the second time around so that the one with her vaginal fluid was actually in direct contact with my penis during the vaginal intercourse?

4. I know it seems farfetched since ive read almost all the thread and understand that hiv would die immediately after contact with air. But is it true for all hiv type? Is there any strain or type (especially in south east asia) that could survie outside the host longer?

5. And what is the risk that the freshly open cut on my foreskin was exposed to the vaginal fluid if there was condom slipping or damaged during the intercourse. I believe the cut happened during the vaginal sex or maybe when i jerked my penis before the vaginal intercourse.

6. The csw i was with has braces, is it possible that the braces damaged/tear the condom when she gave me protected oral? If so would the condom looked intact? Cos it looked intact when she put it on my penis the second time. Any known case before about braces damage condom that you know?

7. And if my exposure is low or non-risk, how come i get all those symptoms right after that incident. The timing (although it started way too early that is within 48 hours of exposure) was just too perfect since i never felt those things before in my life. Any other std that may cause those prolonged symptoms?

Plus i read that ringing in ear is not related to hiv? Although i did come across one person that said he had ringing ear too during seroconversion on this forum. These whole things drive me crazy!

I have checked with the people running that parlour and he said all the csw there are routinely screened for hiv every 3 months and condom is a must there.

Please guys i need your advise on this. Plus they dont have the duo test here yet, so i have to wait at least another 3 weeks to do antibody test.

The guys on the other forum said i have zero risk and no test needed, so i want to hear your opinion on this just to provide me with assurance.

Thanks again

[Ann]

Beren,

1. No. Condoms have been proven to prevent hiv infection. There have been three long-term studies of couples where one is positive and one is negative. In the couples who used condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, but no barrier for oral activities, not one of the negative partners became infected with hiv. Not one.

2. It wouldn't matter if you did get vaginal fluid on your hand/fingers before you masturbated.

Hiv is a fragile, difficult to transmit virus that is primarily transmitted INSIDE the human body, as in unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse where the virus never leaves the confines of the two bodies.

Once outside the body, small changes in temperature, and pH and moisture levels all quickly damage the virus and render it unable to infect. For this reason, fluids on your hands are not a concern.

3. For one, it's next to impossible to put a condom on inside-out and two, it wouldn't matter anyway as any fluids on the condom had been outside the body.

4. No.

5. The cut was covered by the condom, so no risk. If the condom had broken, you WOULD have known. A broken condom is VERY obvious.

6. Again, if the condom was broken, it would have been obvious.

7. You did NOT have a risk for hiv infection. Your symptoms have nothing to do with hiv. If you continue to feel unwell, see a doctor to find out what is actually going on.

Here's what you need to know in order to avoid hiv infection:

You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL sexually transmitted infections together.

To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with an STI. Sex without a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.

Have a look through the condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.

ALTHOUGH YOU DO NOT NEED TO TEST FOR HIV OVER THIS SITUATION, anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results.

Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv. Some of the other STIs can be present with no obvious symptoms, so the only way to know for sure is to test.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!

Ann

[Beren12]

Thx ann for the reply

So the part where i removed the condom, masturbated, then put on the condom again is zero risk

Therefore my only risk would be if there was some tear or damage on my condom that expose my urethra or cut in my foreskin

Well when i came, the csw didnt even feel it, so i assume i came inside the intact condom. Otherwise the csw would've been freak out i guess. And it did look intact when she pulled it with tissue anyway (it didnt look like a fringed hoop and there was no semen dripping from the csw vagina asfar as i remember)

Any opinion on the persistent symptoms that i still feel up to today (4 weeks)? I know seeing it started 48 hours after exposure and last till now is unlikely to be ars.

Mostly feeling feverish/chilly but never hit above 37.5, fatigue, pain and stiff neck and ringing in my left ear now. The oral thrush subsided after i took some yoghurt though.

Any std that u know may cause this symptoms?

Thanks again

[Ann]

Beren,

You didn't have a risk. A broken condom is obvious.

If you feel unwell, see a doctor. It's nothing to do with hiv.

Ann

[Beren12]

Thanks ann

Any opinion from the others? Andy or rapidrod maybe?

[RapidRod]

Nothing to add to what you have already been told.

[jkinatl2]

Thanks ann

Any opinion from the others? Andy or rapidrod maybe?

Trust me, if we disagree with one another you know.