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Title: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: mecch on November 28, 2011, 08:47:43 am
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2067134/George-Michael-The-100-000-life-saving-bed-helping-Wham-singer-fight-severe-pneumonia.html

Doctors tells Austrian newspaper 'next 48 hours are crucial for George Michael'

Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: Ann on November 28, 2011, 10:00:07 am
In 2007, George Michael famously pulled out of Stephen Fry's HIV and Me documentary, saying that he hadn't tested for hiv since around 2004 because he didn't believe in the test and he was frightened of testing positive. I wonder if he's tested since 2007?

I remember this vividly because I was one of the people who participated in this documentary. I also remember thinking at the time how foolish Michael's anti-testing stance was. I hope his refusal to test hasn't come home to roost. :-\
Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: wolfter on November 28, 2011, 10:06:27 am
I just hope he develops the fortitude to deal with this.  That denial stance can have deadly consequences.
Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: WillyWump on November 28, 2011, 11:06:29 am
I am saddened and will be praying for him.


Is this the wrong time to to bring up the fact that his boyfriend Fadi is amazingly Scrumptious?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-mjv8SN04HIg/TtIHasxY4MI/AAAAAAAAO38/RC3eWbv33Ps/s320/photo_fadi_fawaz05.jpg
Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: GSOgymrat on November 28, 2011, 11:15:56 am
GEORGE MICHAEL BEATING PNEUMONIA HELL, SAYS LOVER (No one does headlines like the Brits)

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/222682/George-Michael-beating-pneumonia-hell-says-lover/

GEORGE Michael’s lover last night told how the singer is winning the struggle with pneumonia.
 
Fadi Fawaz, who is keeping a bedside vigil, said George is not going to die and is getting better by the day.

 The celebrity hair stylist said the star, whose hits include Careless Whisper and Faith, was “much better” and “improving” despite being in intensive care and cancel- ling his European tour.

 Fadi spoke exclusively to the Daily Star Sunday from Vienna, Austria.

 Asked if George, 48, was going to die, he said: “No. He is improving every day.

“There is nothing to be concerned about. He is doing fine. We are very happy. He is doing extremely well and coming back from everything. We are very pleased.”

George is strapped to a £500,000 tilting bed to help with his breathing at the AKH hospital.

 The singer has been kept restrained so he cannot move and his windpipe stays clear.

 George, who is a self-confessed heavy cannabis smoker and used to get through 25 spliffs a day, is struggling to breathe.
...


Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: Miss Philicia on November 28, 2011, 12:28:03 pm
I am saddened and will be praying for him.


Is this the wrong time to to bring up the fact that his boyfriend Fadi is amazingly Scrumptious?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-mjv8SN04HIg/TtIHasxY4MI/AAAAAAAAO38/RC3eWbv33Ps/s320/photo_fadi_fawaz05.jpg

A friend of Fadi's is on my facebook -- he's a fashion stylist in London, and made one porn video (as a top in two scenes, under the name Issac Mazar) for Cazzo back five years ago. And yes, I downloaded it :)
Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: buginme2 on November 28, 2011, 12:58:47 pm
I had read that he was stable and responding to treatment.  Have things changed?
Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: Matty the Damned on November 28, 2011, 04:10:41 pm
A good bed is quite important when you are feeling poorly.

Pictar tangentially related:

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7993042/Male-Aids-patient-in-a-hospice.jpg)
I am very comfortable, thank you.

MtD
Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: WillyWump on November 28, 2011, 05:46:49 pm
Dont the Brits have free healthcare? So really anyone could get one of those Million Dollar beds? Meanwhile back here in the Land O' Plenty we are stuck on those shitty Air mattress beds and are paying through the nose for even those.  :-\\

-Will
Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: Ann on November 28, 2011, 07:00:10 pm
Dont the Brits have free healthcare? So really anyone could get one of those Million Dollar beds? Meanwhile back here in the Land O' Plenty we are stuck on those shitty Air mattress beds and are paying through the nose for even those.  :-\\

-Will

He's in a hospital in Vienna, not the UK. I'm not sure what the health care situation is in Austria, but I'm sure George Michael can probably afford it. In fact, he's bound to have some sort of travel/health insurance that covers him against sickness or injury while on tour.
Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: Lugzsoo on November 28, 2011, 07:38:39 pm
PNEUMONIA that's what I had too in dec  in there for a month it suck feel like they had me on a merry go round .and those air beds are hospital had  to put us in the hall way bed went flat lol not fun at all .
Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: Miss Philicia on November 29, 2011, 04:32:15 pm
He's in a hospital in Vienna, not the UK. I'm not sure what the health care situation is in Austria, but I'm sure George Michael can probably afford it. In fact, he's bound to have some sort of travel/health insurance that covers him against sickness or injury while on tour.

It's the largest hospital in the EU and specializes in pneumonia, this according to the Daily Mail, the go-go source for all information!
Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: Theyer on November 29, 2011, 07:36:48 pm
Austrian health care is very good,not based solely on ability to pay .State and insurance funded.

Yes pressure elevating beds are available in intensive care wards and off course intensive care is paid for by our Taxes and  is free at point off need. Generally people however rich they are use the NHS in UK for serious illness. the private hospitals cannot offer the level off care and The really Good Docs remain in the NHS because that is where the interresting work is. As a UK citizen and with UK and Austria being part off the EU, as long as he filled in his working/travelling abroad he might even receive some off the treatment "free" Which as far  as I know Geo has always paid his UK taxes he is entitled too.

I Wish him well hes a good ,honest , talented , funny,  slut off a bloke , generous as well.
Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: Ann on November 30, 2011, 12:12:51 am

I Wish him well hes a good ,honest , talented , funny,  slut off a bloke , generous as well.


I feel the exact same way. I also hope that most of his care is already paid for via his taxes etc. It should, or otherwise what the hell good is the EU? (that's a debate for another thread)

I really do hope this is just bog-standard "community acquired" pneumonia and not PCP pneumonia. But come on, we all know the stigma that surrounds this shit may very well cause major denial in people in the public eye like GM.

I hope #1 that GM is ok and on the mend, and #2, that this is not a huge case of hiv denial. Anyone who remembers GM's refusal to test up until at least 2007 can be/should be forgiven for wondring.
Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: buginme2 on November 30, 2011, 01:27:09 am
I really do hope this is just bog-standard "community acquired" pneumonia and not PCP pneumonia. But come on, we all know the stigma that surrounds this shit may very well cause major denial in people in the public eye like GM.

Anyone who remembers GM's refusal to test up until at least 2007 can be/should be forgiven for wondring.

I hope its not PCP too but, come on, how many healthy 47 year olds end up in critical care from "community aquired" pneumonia?  I can't think of any.  Maybe a 77 or 87 year old, sure then I would say that makes sense. Unfortionately PCP makes much more sense in this instance.

I read an article about the special bed he is in that helps him breath and from the looks of it, its pretty severe.  He's definately not at home drinking orange juice and sipping on chicken soup.   He's Laid UP!!

Its really sad, especially since he refused to get tested.
Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: Cliff on November 30, 2011, 01:50:02 am
Sounds like he's on the mend, which is good.  He'll be back to Hampstead Heath in no time.
Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: tednlou2 on November 30, 2011, 03:04:17 am
Below is an interview George did at the end of August before going on tour.  Ok, we know that you can't look at someone and tell whether they have HIV/AIDS--except for when you can.  Unless he has been starving himself, he just looks like something ain't right.  I remember seeing him on Oprah a couple of years ago and thinking he had lost so much weight in his face.     

I was not aware he refused to test.  I'm wondering how that happens with investors backing tours and concerts.  Usually, they require a physical that includes an HIV test.  That's how Magic learned his status--well, through an insurance policy.  And, I've been reading about magician, Daniel Bauer, who found out the same way---the investors backing his show sent him for a complete work up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4ma2zgKjEY 

From 2004 Today Show Interview, you see a much healthier looking George below: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlblaFUk-xo&feature=related
Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: Ann on November 30, 2011, 07:25:19 am
I hope its not PCP too but, come on, how many healthy 47 year olds end up in critical care from "community aquired" pneumonia?  I can't think of any.  Maybe a 77 or 87 year old, sure then I would say that makes sense. Unfortionately PCP makes much more sense in this instance.


To be honest, I can't think of any either. Going by the various articles I've read, the  doctors are blaming it on his chronic pot smoking, coupled with the stress of singing on tour and just the plain old stress of being on tour. PCP makes a lot more sense though.

I kinda feel sorry for the guy with all the speculation that's going on around him. But on the other hand, that's one of the prices of fame and all the wealth that comes with it. Personally, if he hadn't pulled out of Stephen Fry's documentary, making the comments about testing that he did, I'm not too sure I'd be giving it a second thought and would probably just accept the doctors' comments at face value. ~shrug~
Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: Ann on November 30, 2011, 07:32:28 am
Sounds like he's on the mend, which is good.  He'll be back to Hampstead Heath in no time.

hehehehe.... I didn't catch (get) this on the first reading. Touche! ;D

For the non-British residents or citizens amongst us, Hampstead Heath is a famous cruising ground/park in London that GM has been known to frequent (by his own admission).


I was not aware he refused to test.  I'm wondering how that happens with investors backing tours and concerts.  Usually, they require a physical that includes an HIV test.  That's how Magic learned his status--well, through an insurance policy.  And, I've been reading about magician, Daniel Bauer, who found out the same way---the investors backing his show sent him for a complete work up.


Shoot me if I'm wrong (and I'm sure someone will if I am) but I'm pretty sure that it's illegal in the UK to use something like that to force a person to test for hiv.
Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: Grasshopper on November 30, 2011, 07:49:50 am
Below is an interview George did at the end of August before going on tour.  Ok, we know that you can't look at someone and tell whether they have HIV/AIDS--except for when you can.  Unless he has been starving himself, he just looks like something ain't right.  I remember seeing him on Oprah a couple of years ago and thinking he had lost so much weight in his face.     

I was not aware he refused to test.  I'm wondering how that happens with investors backing tours and concerts.  Usually, they require a physical that includes an HIV test.  That's how Magic learned his status--well, through an insurance policy.  And, I've been reading about magician, Daniel Bauer, who found out the same way---the investors backing his show sent him for a complete work up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4ma2zgKjEY 

From 2004 Today Show Interview, you see a much healthier looking George below: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlblaFUk-xo&feature=related

I see nothing wrong with his looks in 2011. He has just aged graciously like most of us. When was the the last time you had a look in the mirror or perhaps old pictures dating back to 2004 ?  ::)
Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: mecch on November 30, 2011, 07:58:43 am
I posted it because I am thinking like Ann.  Of course we wonder if its HIV related based on his announcements.

Hopefully he will recover well enough.

The side issue will be interesting how it plays out for the public.  Stars have their right to privacy. He's a global star, right?  Can't think of anyone that famous, off hand, besides Magic Johnson, who is open about living with HIV.  (If that is the case.) 

Some of the articles about about the "new hope for a cure" mention the decreasing stigma so it would be beneficial to that war against stigma if famous people could take a diagnosis in stride publically, but we have no right to demand this disclosure from anyone.

Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: Grasshopper on November 30, 2011, 07:59:44 am
hehehehe.... I didn't catch (get) this on the first reading. Touche! ;D

For the non-British residents or citizens amongst us, Hampstead Heath is a famous cruising ground/park in London that GM has been known to frequent (by his own admission).

Shoot me if I'm wrong (and I'm sure someone will if I am) but I'm pretty sure that it's illegal in the UK to use something like that to force a person to test for hiv.

Considering the amount of  €'s  involved, I don't find it that unreasonable for an insurer to want to minimize their risk.
(here in Holland a mortgage must be secured with a life insurance, and above an x-amount an HIV test is mandatory.)
Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: spacebarsux on November 30, 2011, 08:06:43 am
Hmm, I wonder if he was afraid to 'get tested' or to 'divulge to the world he was poz' ? Even if he had turned out to be poz and was on treatment, it couldn't have been that hard to keep his status concealed in the UK, could it (if privacy was his concern i.e.) ? Chris Smith, an MP in the UK, is openly poz. However, he only came out in public of his status after he learnt that Nelson Madela spoke openly of his son dying of AIDS in 2005. Chris Smith said he was first diagnosed in 1987.

I remember watching an interview of GM long ago where he spoke at length about his lover dying of AIDS. Perhaps that made him extra paranoid to get tested ??

Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: Basquo on November 30, 2011, 08:41:59 am
Maybe he's poz but is not wanting to admit it because someone from Hampstead Heath might come forward and say GM tricked without disclosing.  That would be a hassle.
Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: GSOgymrat on November 30, 2011, 08:53:36 am
Maybe he's poz but is not wanting to admit it because someone from Hampstead Heath might come forward and say GM tricked without disclosing.  That would be a hassle.

Good point. Of course it seems people do this HIV speculation any time any gay man gets seriously ill. I was the subject of the same rumors when I was HIV- and dropped from 160 lbs to 130. Then when you are HIV+ and sick people wonder if you are medication compliant. I like George Michael's music and hope he recovers soon, HIV or no.
Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: denb45 on November 30, 2011, 09:20:07 am
Good point. Of course it seems people do this HIV speculation any time any gay man gets seriously ill. I was the subject of the same rumors when I was HIV- and dropped from 160 lbs to 130. Then when you are HIV+ and sick people wonder if you are medication compliant. I like George Michael's music and hope he recovers soon, HIV or no.

Don't you just hate all of the speculation of any gay man as having teh AIDS, I too went thur this about 15 yrs ago. I mean, for all they knew, ( people that saw me) I could of had Cancer, there's still a lotta stigma out there about this disease, when will it EVER STOP  ???
Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: Ann on November 30, 2011, 09:38:27 am
Don't you just hate all of the speculation of any gay man as having teh AIDS,

Yep, I hate it too. It's particularly annoying when it crops up in the Am I Infected forum. A lot of them in that forum also think that transgender=poz.

I don't normally engage in this type of speculation and as I said earlier, if it weren't for him pulling out of that documentary, citing that he hadn't tested since '04 and "didn't believe" in testing and was afraid of testing poz, I probably wouldn't give his hiv status another thought in relation to his current illness. If he was afraid of testing poz, it's difficult to not draw the conclusion that he knew he'd been at risk and if he's been at risk and suddenly becomes deathly ill with pneumonia.... well, it's just difficult to not go there. Unfortunately. :-\
Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: denb45 on November 30, 2011, 10:03:08 am
I agree with you there, not getting tested, and not believing in getting tested is just plain dumb, it's not a very smart thing to do  ???
Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: Miss Philicia on November 30, 2011, 10:11:18 am
It's particularly annoying when it crops up in the Am I Infected forum. A lot of them in that forum also think that transgender=poz.

A 10 cent lap dance in Phuket can be rather risky, you know.

As far as Georgie goes it's all about the 12" mix of "Everything She Wants" -- and his hair in the video, well what can you say about that? You know when they filmed "Careless Whisper" they had to do it twice because George didn't like how his hair looked the first time. Such a fussy queen, and that's when she was still a closet case even though fire crackers were coming out of her ass.
Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: Ann on November 30, 2011, 10:34:02 am
A 10 cent lap dance in Phuket can be rather risky, you know.


Oh I know, teh aidz positively jump off those lap dancers like fleas and infest unsuspecting patrons. Of course, we don't tell them that in Am I. We keep it a secret.
Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: GSOgymrat on November 30, 2011, 11:01:55 am
A 10 cent lap dance in Phuket can be rather risky, you know.

As far as Georgie goes it's all about the 12" mix of "Everything She Wants" -- and his hair in the video, well what can you say about that? You know when they filmed "Careless Whisper" they had to do it twice because George didn't like how his hair looked the first time. Such a fussy queen, and that's when she was still a closet case even though fire crackers were coming out of her ass.

Back in 1984 my younger brother and I both agreed George Michael looked like our mother. She had the same hair style and earrings, although mom wore less makeup. This was back when guys who had an earring in each ear were GAAAY!

(http://991.com/newgallery/Wham-The-Big-Tour-148361.jpg)
Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: LM on November 30, 2011, 12:37:39 pm
Hope he gets better. If he has HIV, it would be great if he disclosed it worldwide, although it's his right not to do so. People like him can have a great influence. But after HAART became available, suddenly celebrities "stopped" having HIV. It's almost like it doesn't exist anymore in the entertainment world, even though we lost quite a few great artists to it before.
Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: Miss Philicia on November 30, 2011, 12:54:05 pm
But after HAART became available, suddenly celebrities "stopped" having HIV. It's almost like it doesn't exist anymore in the entertainment world, even though we lost quite a few great artists to it before.

If I was an entertainer that raked in millions of dollars annually I'd be much more careful to use condoms consistently and/or not have gazillions of sexual partners. Actually I'd probably be too busy making loads of money to even have sex.
Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: LM on November 30, 2011, 01:23:54 pm
Yeah, but power and fame all go to your head. Many artists are well-known for their sex parties and adventures. Often they think they can do anything and that nothing will happen to them. It reminds me of Scarlett Johansson. I mean, how stupid can you be for having naked pics on your phone? I'm not famous and I would never do that. You imagine these people would be more cautious, but it's actually the opposite.
Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: Cliff on November 30, 2011, 05:01:47 pm
I see nothing wrong with his looks in 2011. He has just aged graciously like most of us. When was the the last time you had a look in the mirror or perhaps old pictures dating back to 2004 ?  ::)
Yes, I went to his latest concert (didn't care for it much) and agree that he looked "ok", so I be interested in what looked "wrong" with him, Ted?
Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: Ann on December 12, 2011, 04:13:06 pm
George Michael will be spending Christmas in Austrian hospital (http://m.news24.com/channel24/Music/News/George-Michael-to-spend-Xmas-in-hospital-20111207). It sounds like he's still on the vent. :(
Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: Growler on December 12, 2011, 05:12:08 pm
OMG!
I'm not going to ask the obvious question.
Hope he gets well soon.

GROWLER
Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: Ann on December 12, 2011, 11:50:56 pm
OMG!
I'm not going to ask the obvious question.
Hope he gets well soon.

GROWLER


Yeah, well, the official statements about his ordeal have been denying the elephant in the room, without actually naming the elephant in the room, so who knows. It's a big grey area - just like an elephant, funny enough.
Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: Growler on December 13, 2011, 12:15:22 am
48yrold, healthy male with no underlying illness/immune deficiency contracts pneumonia. Mmmmm

From my experience I guess it is possible........ if you overdose on alcohol and/or drugs, fall unconscious and aspirate on your own vomit.

Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: WillyWump on December 13, 2011, 12:23:50 am
He has been "Spinning the Wheel" alot  :P

Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: Cliff on December 18, 2011, 02:43:21 pm
Is he better?
Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: OneTampa on December 23, 2011, 03:24:45 pm
Is he better?

Apparently he is better:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqODegwsJRo
Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: WillyWump on December 23, 2011, 10:17:40 pm
Apparently he is better:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqODegwsJRo

So glad he is better.  He is really out of breath. I hope the pneumonia doesnt permantly affect his ability to sing.

-W
Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: tednlou2 on December 24, 2011, 02:17:20 am
I'm so glad to hear that he is out of hospital, as the Brits would say.  His breathing reminds me of myself this time 3 years ago.  I would get so winded just trying to reposition myself in the bed.  Walking to the bathroom, I would have to stop and rest first.  And, he was so much more sick than I was.  Obviously, way worse.  I was in ICU for 2 days and in a regular bed for 5.  I was put out for the scope down into the lungs for the doc to take a look and get a sample.  They said PCP usually affects both lungs and I only had it in the left.  I had bad pleurisy, which caused awful pain.  I will never forget having to lay flat so they could do the MRI.  That was the worse pain having to lay flat like that for so long. 

So, I'm impressed and feel good about his prognosis that he is able to stand and give a press conference--even a brief one.  I wish him all the best.  If this is due to the "elephant in the room", then I hope he can decide whether or not to tell the world and it doesn't leak out.  Hospitals here have had a bad track record with leaking medical info of celebrities.  I think those hospitals have made changes, so that only those directly involved in care have access to their med records. 
Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: GSOgymrat on December 24, 2011, 02:30:32 am
Very happy to see he is on the mend.
Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: mecch on December 24, 2011, 02:50:44 am
I was at a party in the Hudson Valley tonight and noboby knew about this. Is this story off the radar in the usa? 
Nobody knew 2 Broke Girls or The New Girl either.
Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: tednlou2 on December 24, 2011, 03:30:21 am
I was at a party in the Hudson Valley tonight and noboby knew about this. Is this story off the radar in the usa? 
Nobody knew 2 Broke Girls or The New Girl either.

I watch a lot of news, and I only heard about it here.  I've not even seen a news crawl about it.  I've been surprised by this.  Usually, the media would cover a celebrity breaking a nail.  It is strange.  I even usually catch some of Entertainment Tonight, because it comes on after the national evening news.  Haven't seen it covered there either. 
Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: spacebarsux on January 16, 2012, 01:20:43 pm
George Michael Slams Christians who prayed he should die of AIDS.

Slightly outdated thread but fairly recent news link:

http://digitaljournal.com/article/317280

Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: harleymc on January 19, 2012, 09:35:06 pm
He's a delightful and charming man. I wish him all the best.
Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: Matty the Damned on January 21, 2012, 01:26:43 pm
He's a delightful and charming man. I wish him all the best.

Get fucked.

The man is a  shit of colossal proportions.

MtD
Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: Hellraiser on January 21, 2012, 11:08:25 pm
Get fucked.

The man is a  shit of colossal proportions.

MtD

The irony of that statement.
Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: Basquo on January 22, 2012, 10:49:47 am
Get fucked.

The man is a  shit of colossal proportions.

MtD

Nice, Matty, really nice. harleymc has all of 11 posts and you're telling him to get fucked. I hope he's a really close friend of yours and you were jabbing your toungue into your cheek; if not, you should be ashamed of yourself. As if. Once every couple of years you piss me off and this is one of those times. You could've left that one alone or taken a swipe at someone we know better way earlier in this thread. And the swipe at George Micheal and his billion-dollar-bed doesn't count.
Title: Re: George Michael Critically Ill
Post by: Dachshund on January 22, 2012, 02:27:42 pm
The irony of that statement.

The irony of this statement.