If I had a time machine...

[Grasshopper]

I already explained. You go back far enough and infect them, like the acrobat does today, thousands, and then evolution takes over, the strongest survive, and HIV is but a trace in our DNA.

And your (weaker?) ancestors would have died in the "new" past....and suddenly you will seize to exist in the current present  

[mecch]

Yep, obviously. It was not a real idea it was an idea that made ironic sense at a moment in time in this thread about unreal pasts and presents.  But if you believe in reincarnation my soul would be around and maybe as another creature or maybe human. And if I didn't exist in the present, who cares, not me, cause there would be no me. And the world would be a better place, but wouldn't know it, cause who worries these days about bubonic plague and other diseases lost to history!

[mecch]

I'd rather my first experience - living in the past on my current salary. Somehow I find this a fantasy that comforts me today, when I dont feel so rich.

One time I lived a fantasy kind of like the Sex and the City girls in their new movie.  I worked part-time for a billionaire family and whenever I was working I was in their world of incredible luxury, comfort, peace and beauty for weeks at a time.  Each time I made the commute between my world and their world, and back again, it was like a kind of time travel.  

Maybe all history is forever present on this earth all the time.  We think conditions and experiences of the past or future are not now, but in fact, there is misery and evil and bliss and goodness all the time present on this earth, now.

[Jeff G]

My body and mind are my time machine . I'm content here and I am at peace for now .

I can look back at where I have been and it helps me to get where I want to go .

[red_Dragon888]

Stop aids how?
Or you mean you'd go forward in time, get the vaccine and then go back and give it to everybody in the past?

Why not both.  Go back in time to see where it started and halt the wave or go forward in time, get the cure and then go back in time and cure everyone. 

[red_Dragon888]

And your (weaker?) ancestors would have died in the "new" past....and suddenly you will seize to exist in the current present  

So Grasshopper, what if your paradox did not matter and he gets what he wishes anyway.  Afterall, it is just a fantasy.

[Jeff G]

Why not both.  Go back in time to see where it started and halt the wave or go forward in time, get the cure and then go back in time and cure everyone. 

Write all this down on a post it note . If this forum disappears we will know it worked . I think . 

[red_Dragon888]

That's pretty extreme.  You would doom thousands of cavemen and/or women to AIDS, without access to meds and Ryan White, just so you won't have it in the present.  I like it!  

Of course you'd have to infect babies so that they would (hopefully) die before reproducing.  Life was likely pretty short as it was back then.

And the meek will inherit the earth.

[red_Dragon888]

Write all this down on a post it note . If this forum disappears we will know it worked . I think . 

Of course if the post-it note disappears, then search like hell for it. 

[Grasshopper]

So Grasshopper, what if your paradox did not matter and he gets what he wishes anyway.  Afterall, it is just a fantasy.

Yeah, just like a wish is a fantasy as well  ;-)

[Jeff G]

I'm not liking the traveling back in time before douche and infecting cave man thing .

If it doesn't work and they steal a time machine we will have a bunch of cave people posting in the am I infected forum ... not a good thing . 

[red_Dragon888]

I'm not liking the traveling back in time before douche and infecting cave man thing .

If it doesn't work and they steal a time machine we will have a bunch of cave people posting in the am I infected forum ... not a good thing . 

What you got against Cavemen?   

[Ann]

If it doesn't work and they steal a time machine we will have a bunch of cave people posting in the am I infected forum ... not a good thing .  

I thought we already had  cave people posting over there.

[red_Dragon888]

Yeah, just like a wish is a fantasy as well  ;-)

not always.  sometimes wishes do come true.

[red_Dragon888]

I thought we already had  cave people posting over there.

lol

[Jeff G]

What you got against Cavemen?   

The getting hit up side my head with a club and fucked thing for one .

[mecch]

Ugh ugh ugh ughy ughy ooo ooo fah ugh?

[red_Dragon888]

Ugh ugh ugh ughy ughy ooo ooo fah ugh?

ROFL

[red_Dragon888]

The getting hit up side my head with a club and fucked thing for one .

Once you go Caveman, You never go back...

[mecch]

Cavemen or hacky sack playing unwashed frat boys.  Same dif.

[red_Dragon888]

OK, if I had a time machine, besides curing or stopping Aids, I would go back to win every sport bet, win major lotto in the tens of millions, play wall street, stop myself for dating or getting involved with the wrong people, own a couple of castles, islands, and mansions all over the world and I would be a major player in business and still be unknown. And stop or warn of incoming disasters.

[mecch]

OK i would go back in time and yeah, make millions in the teens, and then I would make the most spectacular busby berkeley type movies, and glamorous broadway reviews. I'd have a splendid park avenue apartment like in the deco movies, and a ranch somewhere hot, and a luxurious zeppelin hovering over San Francisco. I would build a spectacular luna park of the finest quality materials on the Jersey Shore, and surround it with model new towns with "space age" architecture.  Both would both persist to this day.  I would found a free university in the middle west for the youth of the depression, and it would grow to international status after WWII and the GI bill.  It would be profoundly humanist and leftist and nobody would be able to stop it because it would be funded by an enormous endowment and graduate only brilliant people.  I would build interfaith YMCA YWCA type institutions around the world with cheap rooms, language institutes, peace studies, and gorgeous swimming pools.  They would be mixed sex and no intolerance would be allowed. 
I would give scads of money to communes to experiment on all kinds of things with no oversight from my foundation.
Open community gardens in major cities.
Build a better public transport system.
All in the 20's 30's and 40's, and all of it would still exist today.

[mecch]

Oh, and just for the fun of it,
I'd journey to the turn of the century New York or Paris or London and attend a gentlemen's ball filled with dandies, swells, transvestites and rough trade.  We'd drink sweet champagne from coupes not flutes, slurp iced seafood, take cocaine and have endless torrid sex all night long then go to a fabulous brasserie for lunch the next day. Then take carriages to the shore and sleep in tents til midnight at the edge of vast estate, and start all over again.

[poz1970]

I'd do the tourist thing in the ancient world, visit alexandria, see the great library.. shake Hypatia and Theron's hands... see what happened at Machu Pichu, see the Pyramids while they were still covered in Marble.. basically do the wonders of the ancient world :-)

J

[Jeff G]

I sometime feel I have gone back in time in my dreams . I frequently dream I visiting a friend or a loved one that has passed . These dreams are always on familiar ground such a home or favorite place we used to share .

I am always aware in my dream visit that they have passed but we never talk about that . I wake up feeling good and feel as though I have experienced something special and personal like a good visit . I'm also on Atripla LOL .   

[Ravhyn]

wait...I got it...

why don't we just go back and kill the damn tiger that bit the monkey? then monkey's no have aids..ancient tigers die off and the human race is saved

[Hellraiser]

I'd witness the crucifixion of jesus christ for sure.  I'd also want to see the dinosaurs although that could be a little dangerous probably.  I don't think I would try to avert any major crises although I would probably go have a chat with my 14 year old self and warn me about all the bad decisions I could have easily avoided.  That of course would make the paradox begin because then I wouldn't have had a reason to go back in time and thus it never would have happened.

[mecch]

Did you all read The Time Traveller's Wife
Great book. Ok film.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySiDuCTew0g

For those not in on story. Henry is a time traveller. A slightly older Henry (then the guy in this scene) has been visiting a very young girl (the women in the scene) and they fall in love. At least the little girl falls in love with this older guy who time travels to meet her. (Yeah a bit creepy, but he is a gentlemen and never screws the girl) So now she is grown up and meets her love Henry, but hes a bit younger and hasn't met her yet.

[Jeff G]

I haven't read that .... I did read Douglas Adams hitchhikers guide to the galaxy years ago and couldn't get enough .

[WhySoUnfair]

Did you all read The Time Traveller's Wife
Great book. Ok film.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySiDuCTew0g

For those not in on story. Henry is a time traveller. A slightly older Henry (then the guy in this scene) has been visiting a very young girl (the women in the scene) and they fall in love. At least the little girl falls in love with this older guy who time travels to meet her. (Yeah a bit creepy, but he is a gentlemen and never screws the girl) So now she is grown up and meets her love Henry, but hes a bit younger and hasn't met her yet.

didnt u see the movie?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0452694/

Rachel McAdams is so gorgeous...

[mecch]

Yeah I said I thought it was OK.
Attractive actors I agree.

[leatherman]

Did you all read The Time Traveller's Wife
Great book. Ok film.

I thought it was better than "great". It was an excellent book!
(damn. what a heart-wrenching ending though. Of course, having lost my own loves, those kinds of story lines appeal to me and those kinds of scenarios always give me a punch in the gut.)

unfortunately no film can ever be as good as a book (there's just not enough screen time, and it's impossible to properly protray the thoughts of the characters, which books are filled with); but it stuck to the plot and was ok.

[WhySoUnfair]

unfortunately no film can ever be as good as a book (there's just not enough screen time, and it's impossible to properly protray the thoughts of the characters, which books are filled with); but it stuck to the plot and was ok.

well, I didnt read this book, did they change the ending of the book in the movie?

I read Dear John and was so disappointed with the movie. The ending is the best part of the book and they totally destroyed it in the movie.

[leatherman]

well, I didnt read this book, did they change the ending of the book in the movie?

nope.

spoiler alert: I thought the story pretty much ended when henry returned from being accidentally shot by Clare's brother. I felt the author rushed through the final chapter, tying up the loose threads afterwards. You find about alba and her time traveling, and henry returns that last time when Clare is old. But that scene I thought, in both the book and in movie, seemed incomplete and left something to be desired.

didn't read "Dear John", though I just started "A Single Man". Oh and after watching the first two movies last week, I read through the books and I'm about to start book three of the "Twilight" series. (I think I have to side with the hot wolf boy and be on Jacob's team )

Sounds like we need to get a book thread or movie thread going again. LOL