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Offline jennifer1980

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HIV risk from examining throat!
« on: April 28, 2017, 05:19:33 am »
Dear Experts,

I am sorry for my English!

It is a huge bliss for me to find this forum. I can not find the right worlds to express my gratitude for those who are giving advice. It is highly appreciated!
 
I have been travelling in Vietnam in the rural villages. Two days ago, I went to see the doctor since my throat was burning. It was a community hospital in the rural area and it seemed to me that everything was not really hygienic. The doctors and nurses did not even wear the gloves when examining patients. I waited for my turn and when I entered the room, there was a old lady who had just finished and she stood up and left, then the doctor told me to sit down and open my mouth, she looked at my mouth then she suddenly took the tongue depressor in the table to press down my tongue.
 
When I returned to the hotel, I sat alone and thought about the throat examination and the hospital with careless doctors without wearing gloves. And I felt that I might be at a risk of catching diseases from the tongue depressor if the doctor did not use the new one for me. I remembered that she just took the tongue depressor laying in the table and checked me. I am afraid that I could get HIV from that lady.
 
After having researching and googling, my fear eventually controlled me. I could not do anything at all! I even tried to compare my case with deep kissing involved in bleeding, ulcers…and some posts regarding giving blowjob with cum…Yet I could not relieve my anxiety at all.
 
Could you assess my risk of contracting HIV from sharing the tongue depressor? Assuming that that lady is poz, and she could have left her blood in the tongue depressor. If this happened, could HIV live in the tongue depressor and infect me via my painful throat? I had a burning throat with some ulcers and gums in my mouth. Notice that that lady just finished and I almost immediately sat down and the doctor used that tongue depressor to examine me. So, HIV has been outside the body for just 2 to 3 seconds
 
Thank you very much!
 
Jennifer P
« Last Edit: April 28, 2017, 05:23:50 am by jennifer1980 »

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Re: HIV risk from examining throat!
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2017, 06:14:32 am »
Hi

I read you post, you have irrational fear about this and reading up on BJ's is not even remotely related to your concer.

In short No is the answer to all of your questions. This was simply no HIV risk.
Move on with your life.

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Re: HIV risk from examining throat!
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2017, 06:15:09 am »
Hi

I read you post, you have irrational fears about this and reading up on BJ's is not even remotely related to your concer.

In short No is the answer to all of your questions. This was simply no HIV risk.
Move on with your life.

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Re: HIV risk from examining throat!
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2017, 06:28:06 am »
Dear Jim,

Thanks for your reply! I am truly grateful to your kindness for helping people here.

I have been spending the entire afternoon to read the old posts of this forum, I think that I have read more than 500 posts ( what a nice afternoon). Particularly, the posts regarding the risk of HIV through kissing & giving and receiving blow jobs.

 I am scared because that the blood that the lady might have left in the tongue depressor combined with my burning throat and ulcers could make the situation worse, right? Am I too worried?

You state that I was not at risk just because the HIV from the “object” like tongue depressor and HIV was at least outside the body, even some seconds, right? But i am afraid that the tongue depressor was drenched in blood.

I am sorry for being so troublesome!

Thank you very much!
 
Jennifer P

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Re: HIV risk from examining throat!
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2017, 06:32:39 am »
No risk even if drenched in blood - And lets be clear it simply was not, the case.
The old lady was not bleeding to death over it before you used it. - This fear and "what if" is simply irrational.

HIV does not remain infectious outside the human body, and it cannot reproduce outside a human host. Also HIV isn’t transmitted by hugging, shaking hands, sharing toilets, sharing dishes, kissing, through saliva, tears, or sweat

See once hiv finds itself exposed outside the body, to air this and the small changes in temperature, pH / moisture levels all damage the virus and render it unable to infect.

Here's what you need to know in order to avoid hiv infection:
Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, every time, no exceptions.

Keep in mind that some sexual practices which may be described as ‘safe’ in terms of HIV transmission might still pose a risk for transmission of other STI's, so please do get fully tested regularly and at least yearly for all STI's including but not limited to HIV and test more frequently if unprotected intercourse occurs

Also note that it is possible to have an STI and show no signs or symptoms and the only way of knowing is by testing.

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Re: HIV risk from examining throat!
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2017, 09:46:46 pm »
Dear Jim,

Thanks for your explanation. So, from your message. I can say this: In order to be infectious. There must be a large amount of blood left on the tongue depressor. And this can happen only when that lady was bleeding profusely, correct?

I feel better today,yet i feel a bit scared, maybe i am too worried.

Thanks!

Jennifer P

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Re: HIV risk from examining throat!
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2017, 12:07:15 am »
Hi

Even with large volume blood on it its not a risk, firstly the mouth intact lacks the cells to infect and also the volume of blood needed to remain viable would not fit on an object like a tongue depressor.

The short of it is you had no exposure to HIV from this incident.

HIV is fragile and difficult to transmit so much so that well nobody has been infected by it outside the human body through contact and we know back to basics that HIV has an outer protein/receptors that are needed to remain infectious and they corrodes in contact with air, so it can no longer infect.  The only noted exception is a few cases counted on 1 hand where a life and death situation was ongoing (Car accident) and both people were bleeding to death into each-other, this is not the case in normal day to day contact with fluids, sharing oral objects like a tongue depressor

0 cases of transmission with contact with small quantities of fluid or normal wounds and cuts or scrapes from day to day activities or sexually if exposed outside the human body, because HIV will not be present in sufficient quantity and it will have corroded as its too fragile leaving it not infectious.

This poses a great problem to study it, and laboratory studies such as the ones at the CDC labs have to use unnaturally high and artificial laboratory-grown concentrations under precisely controlled and limited laboratory conditions to even study it, as it normally simply does not survive long in outside the body.  (Ask a lab how they do it, if you want to know more on how they artificially grow HIV as that part is beyond me)

Now the fact that in labs they can keep HIV viable outside the body has caused some people to misunderstand this to mean environmental risk is possible. This is not the case as the labs use artificial conditions and concentrations of HIV many times greater than than anything ever found in patient specimens, the amounts of virus studied are simply not found in nature, and again no one has been infected with HIV this way.

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