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HIV Prevention and Testing => Do I Have HIV? => Topic started by: lost36 on October 29, 2006, 07:02:49 am
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Hello
Apologies for taking up your time. I have a couple of questions regarding risk. I met someone yesterday evening and we had oral sex (69) with no ejaculation. My questions are
1. After I ejaculated, the other guy took my semen and used it as lube. In general is such a practice risky.
2. The guy came on my skin around my chest, stomach and hip. I cleaned up everything using a towel. But after two hours (this sounds gross), but I was having an itchy nose. (I usually take a shower after sex, but I had to rush out.) So I put my finger to calm my nose (bad allergies). Due to dryness, I had nosebleed. I was in panic, what if my hands had got some dried semen and can it be infective.
I know I am paranoid. But if it is risky atleast I can go the doctor to get PEP. I appreciate your replies.
Thankyou
Lost36
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Lost, no matter what particular details you have included, essentially this was a combination of mutual oral without ejaculation and some masturbation.
Receiving oral is nil for risk in terms of HIV. Giving oral is at the very low end of the risk spectrum, particularly when ejaculation does not take place. Although there have been a very few cases reported of transmission in this manner, there have also been several longterm studies of sero-dystonic couples in which there was lots of mutual oral and only protected intercourse. The result was none of those who were HIV negative became infected, which supports the conclusion that infection through giving oral is beyond extremely unlikely.
Certainly PEP is not warranted in this case nor is it something ever to consider unless there has been something really risky like unprotected intercourse, especially receptive with ejaculation. You can brush up on all of the risk issues by reading the lesson on Transmission. You can find a link to it in the Welcome thread which opens this section.
In general if you're sexually active it's a good idea to get a full STD panel done regularly -- at least annually and twice a year is even better. There are other STDs out there which are much easier to get than HIV.
This time out I don't see any cause for concern in terms of HIV.
Cheers,
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Hi Andy,
Thank you for your reply. I was more concerned about nosebleed rather.
Lost
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lost,
There is no way that you will become infected with hiv through sticking your finger, which may or may not have had some dried cum on it, into your nose - even if doing so causes a nose bleed.
I'm in total agreement with Andy here, you have not had a risk in anything you've brought here today.
Along with the reading Andy recommended, here's a few other things you need to know.
You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL STIs together. To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with a sexually transmitted infection.
Have a look through the condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.
Anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.
If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results. Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv.
Use condoms for intercourse and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!
Ann
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Ann,
Thank you so much. I always use condoms and take all precautions on being safe. I will have to go and get myself tested just as a regular checkup. Thankyou again.
regards
Lost
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Hi there
I have a question. I get some dryness rash around my groin area. Never bleeds, but sometimes they are small open red areas. They burn. My question is what is the risk associated if it comes in contact with some precum. Many a time guys rub their and I try to shield it, but I get worried.
Does it warrant PEP. I clean it immediately with warm water and soap.
I greatly appreciate your comments.
Thanks
Lost
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Lost, the circumstance you are concerned about is not a risk for HIV transmission. HIV is not an easy virus to transmit. It requires very particular receptive circumstances and the kind of skin irritation you have described is not in that category.
Nicks, cuts, abrasions and other such skin situations do not put you at risk except theoretically. In the real world of HIV transmission doesn't happen in that manner.
Please read the lessons on this site about Transmission and Testing. You can find a link to them in the Welcome thread which opens this section. The most essential thing to remember in terms of risk sexually is that if either vaginal or anal intercourse is involved the insertive partner must always be wearing a latex condom.
PEP is absolutely NOT warranted in the situation you are concerned about. Hopefully you will never need to take that step. But you also need to know that if PEP is going to be used it must be initiated within 48-72 hours after an exposure to HIV, and the earlier the better the chances of it being effective.
This time out you have NO cause for further concern.
Cheers,
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Hi
Thankyou so much Andy. You said this time out there is cause for further concern. I hope you meant no cause for further concern.
Many thanks for your answer. I am trying to be really careful. Always had condoms for anal, though I've had in on very few occassions, but swore off it as I am too afraid of it.
Thankyou
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Ooops! Thanks for drawing my attention to that typo. I have corrected it.
It's understandable that you're concerned about HIV. You can have intercourse if you want to. Just always make sure the insertive partner is wearing a latex condom. They really do the job very effectively of protecting against HIV.
However, it's also good to go at a pace that is confortable for you sexually. Open conversation about your concerns with your partner can be very helpful in sexual situations and even deepen the intimacy of the experience.
Cheers,
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Hi Andy,
Thank you. You are right, but I go into a deep depression. I do not enjoy being the receiving partner. So I decided to put an end to it. In the past few years, I had anal sex with very few people and those too with someone I have kind of known. Always with a condom. Been the insertive partner but always with a condom.
But in the last one year, I had it only once that too with a condom. But after that I felt very depressed for taking chances with life.
So decided to stop it altogether. perhaps if I meet the right person, maybe. But for now I am happy with my decision.
I really appreciate your help and all the moderators. It is a great solace and resource.
Thank you
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OK, so you have set some boundaries for yourself. That's always a good idea.
Glad you found the exchange to be helpful.
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lost,
I've merged your new thread into your original thread - where you should post all your additional thoughts or questions. It helps us to help you when you keep all your additional thoughts or questions in one thread.
If you need help finding your thread when you come here, click on the "Show own posts" link under your name in the left-hand column of any forum page.
Please also read through the Welcome Thread (http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=220.0) so you can familiarize yourself with our Forum Posting Guidelines.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Ann
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Hi there
Having a sore throat and feel tired. Not had anal sex in more than two months. Feel like paranoid. Its three weeks since I had a mastrubatory experience. Is it ARS?
Thanks
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Lost,
This is the second time I've had to merge your threads. Please get with the program.
I've merged your new thread into your original thread - where you should post all your additional thoughts or questions. It helps us to help you when you keep all your additional thoughts or questions in one thread.
If you need help finding your thread when you come here, click on the "Show own posts" link under your name in the left-hand column of any forum page.
Please also read through the Welcome Thread (http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=220.0) so you can familiarize yourself with our Forum Posting Guidelines. Thank you for your cooperation.
In order for you to experience ARS, you need to have been at risk of exposure to hiv. You haven't had a risk so no, you're not experiencing ARS.
See your doctor about your sore throat and remember, we're in the middle of cold and flu season.
Ann
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Hi Ann,
Apologies. I will post in the same thread next time. Thankyou. I will see my doctor. I think I should not do anything physical with anyone as I become very paranoid and depressed.
Thankyou
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Hi again
Another question and worry. I should stop having sex I think. I peformed oral sex. No cum was involved. I also did not feel any precum. Some deep throating was done. I got worried, though the guy said he is not hiv.
Is there any risk? Will there be any risk of small amount of precum chafing the back of my throat?
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Hi again
Another question and worry. I should stop having sex I think. I peformed oral sex. No cum was involved. I also did not feel any precum. Some deep throating was done. I got worried, though the guy said he is not hiv.
Is there any risk? Will there be any risk of small amount of precum chafing the back of my throat?
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The chances of you getting HIV in giving head is so remote, that your liable to get hit by lightning first. I wouldn't test over the issue.
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Rapid
Thank you so much. I am swearing off sex. cannot live with the tension.
regards
lost
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Hi Ann,
Apologies. I will post in the same thread next time. Thankyou. I will see my doctor. I think I should not do anything physical with anyone as I become very paranoid and depressed.
Thankyou
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You have started yet another new thread after saying you wouldn't. No so great...
Hi All,
Sorry about a new post. I did not post for sometime.
What is the risk of hiv if there is a small wound and if it is exposed to precum or cum. I tend to have eczema around my groin area and a guy rubbed his erect member around there. I am worried if there is some cum exposed to the small open wound. Should i get PEP for such a possible exposure?
Thanks in advance for your help.
worried in NJ
No risk for this exposure, either.
Brent
(Who knows and follows the rules)
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Hi Bucko,
When I posted, there was a query asking that you have not posted for more than 60 days, would you like to start a new thread. That is why I di. My apologies again. And thank you so much for your response.
Lost36
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Hi there
Have a question on mutual mastrubation. I met a guy, and we kind of went out on a few dates before we ended up in bed. He mastrubated himself on my lower abdomen right above the groin area, by rubbing his penis. His cum kind of I think touched the head of my penis, though not sure. What is the risk of HIV? I came right afterward and cleaned up. Thanks in advance for helping me out many times.
Lost 36
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Zero
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Thank you Rapid.
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another silly question. will it enhance the risk if I am uncut?
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Not by masturbation.
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Neither with a guy cut or uncut, there's never been a documented case of transmission via mutual masturbation, which is of course a very common sexual activity.
It's safe to say you won't make history by becoming the first.
Cheers,
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Hi Guys,
Thank you so much for your replies and my apologies for posting another question.
What is the risk during mutual mastrubation if some cum of the other guys falls on my penis. Is the risk greater if I am uncut?
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No lost. You cannot contract HIV from mutual masturbation, even if you are uncut. HIV is transmitted inside the body so getting some splooge on your tool doesn't pose a risk.
MtD
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Hi All,
I am very worried about being infected. A week ago I had met a guy. We messed around. He rimmed me and fingered me a lot and dry humped. I also gave him oral. We kissed and mastrubated. He came on himself and I did on myself. A week later I had pain in my rectum and the doctor said i have herpes. I got very worried that I might have been infected by HIV as well somehow. I keep thinking that maybe his cock slipped into me when he was humping or something happened. I thought i had safe sex, and now i am really worried. please help. never did anal sex without a condom. rarely do anal sex to begin with and that too i am very careful. examine the condom for tears etc. now i am in fear. and i keep thinking what wrong did i do.
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At no time were you ever at risk of contracting HIV. You've been coming to the forum long enough to know better.
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Thank you rapid. That is what i thought. But the fact that I had herpes inside the rectum and it was pretty painful. I went to the doc and he said i might be poz. i told him i had safe sex. that got me worried. how did i get herpes inside the rectum. but i know for sure that i did not have anal sex. i was not drunk or anything like that. but thank you for your rapid response.
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Rapid, do I need to get tested? I keep getting worried because I ended up with herpes
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Nothing you did put you at risk for HIV transmission. I don't see any need for HIV testing.
Herpes is much easier to acquire than HIV. It's a separate issue and simply because you caught the herpes virus does not by default mean you were likely to get HIV as well. You didn't do anything risky for HIV.
Cheers.
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Thanks Andy. I keep thinking that the transmission is concurrent. I thought I was safe. But now because of this I am very worried, and keep thinking that I will fall sick with ARS.
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what if the guy had cuts on his fingers?
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That wouldn't make any difference either. You are worrying needlessly. Really. Give it up and get on with your life.
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Lost,
I've merged your new thread into your original thread - where you should post all your additional thoughts or questions. It helps us to help you when you keep all your additional thoughts or questions in one thread.
If you need help finding your thread when you come here, click on the "Show own posts" link under your name in the left-hand column of any forum page.
Please also read through the Welcome Thread (http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=220.0) so you can familiarize yourself with our Forum Posting Guidelines. Thank you for your cooperation.
Ann
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Thanks Ann, I will keep that in mind. My main worry now is what if the guy put his penis into me. Maybe I did not know it. Not sure whether it is my imagination or anything, because i thought i was safe. Now i keep going it over and over again wondering whether i was safe and already made up my mind that i am going to soon fall sick.
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lost,
If he put his dick inside you, you would have known. Believe me.
Herpes is VERY easy to transmit. If he had a herpes outbreak on his body somewhere, touched it with his finger before fingering you, then you could easily have gotten it that way.
Fortunately, unlike herpes, hiv is VERY difficult to transmit.
You did NOT have a risk for hiv infection.
Ann
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Thanks Ann. For some reason i cannot stop worrying about it. I keep thinking that I did something unsafe. i know it is difficult to get hiv, but just the fact i ended up with herpes makes me really scared.
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Lost,
Whatever. You've been told that if he'd put his dick into you, you'd KNOW it.
You will NOT be permitted to use this forum to go on and on about your latest NO RISK incident. If you've read the Welcome thread like you've been repeatedly asked to, you will have read the following posting guideline:
Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). If you continue to post excessively after one Time Out, you may be given a second Time Out which will last eight weeks. There is no third Time Out - it is a permanent ban. The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.
Please consider yourself warned.
Ann
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I would like to thank everyone for providing great service on this forum.
I have a quick question. What is the risk of performing oral, with out the guy ejaculating in the mouth? Is precum a risk factor? I suffer from heart burn and sometime my throat burns. Is that risky if there precum. I appreciate your answers.
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It's NOT A RISK.
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What if I have a sore on the underside of my tongue? It does not feel sore, or white. There was no ejaculation.
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NOT A RISK.
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There has never been a confirmed case of transmission in the manner you are concerned about. Stories, yes. Confirmation, no.
Your saliva has over a dozen elements and proteins which very effectively prevent the transmission of viable HIV, IF it is present.
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Thanks Rapid and Andy. Usually I am safe, but the urge to indulge occurs sometimes. The guy said he was totally safe, though it is hard to trust people based on their words.
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Even well intentioned people don't necessarily know their accurate HIV status. So you should never do anything which puts you at risk for HIV. That means specifically never having vaginal or anal intercourse without a condom.
Everything else is risky only theoretically.
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Hi All,
Thank you so much for the great help here. I have a question regarding the transmission of hiv by exposure to precum. I thought I had a small sore or a cut on the roof of the mouth. The guy had some precum. Is it a risk? He claimed he is negative.
Thanks for the reply.
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Your saliva has over a dozen elements and proteins which are very effective at preventing the transmission of viable HIV.
You've been coming here long enough to know by now that the only confirmed risks for the sexual transmission of HIV are unprotected vaginal and anal intercourse.
You need to apply the information which has been given to you in the past to your ongoing sexual life. We're not here to respond everytime you have some sexual experience. I'm going to warn you that you are on the verge of getting a Time Out. Use condoms for intercourse and get on with your life.
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Hi
I have been on the forum before. However I got scared about a recent encounter and would like some feedback. I gave a blow job to someone who claimed he is safe. Initially he quickly came (not in my mouth). After washing I still gave a blow job to him but during the second time, my upper lip got cut (or got chafed) due to a gap in my teeth. There was no bleeding but there was sore. He did not come the second time but he must have had some precum. Also due to allergies and the meds I was on my mouth was pretty dry. I got scared about the chance of HIV from such an encounter. There was no saliva to inhibit any transmission and there was wound. No cum but exposure to precum. Thanks much in advance of your review and answer.
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Hi Lost . You didn't have a risk . In order for there to be even a theoretical risk you would have to have had significant wounds or advanced periodontal disease while giving oral sex to a male with a high viral load .
There have only been a scant few cases of oral transmission of HIV and those cases most always have other risk factors involved .
ALTHOUGH YOU DO NOT NEED HIV TESTING AT THIS TIME for this incident , anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.
If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results.
Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv. Some of the other STIs can be present with no obvious symptoms, so the only way to know for sure is to test.
Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!
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Please only post in this one thread and do not start another . Thanks .
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Hi Jeff, thank you. I realized that due to the gap in my teeth, the inner side of my lip gets chafed during oral sex. It happened twice before i realized it yesterday. I probably have to get my teeth aligned. I got worried because of the possible exposure and also because of my dry mouth. I will get tested after a month or so. Thank you.
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Although you did not have a risk and do not need to test at this time for this incident I will give you the testing window period in case you ever have a risk in the future .
The average time to seroconversion is 22 days. Most who are infected will test positive by 6 weeks. For various reasons a small number will take longer and that is why we follow the CDC recommendation to test at 3 months for a conclusive negative result.
The testing window period is 6 weeks past any possible exposure and again at 3 months to confirm the results .
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I urge you to read your entire thread again. Our answers from July were applicable then and are applicable now. Our science ensigns the same as does our assessment.
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Hi Again,
Assessing my risk. I met someone who claims he is hiv negative, but nevertheless I got worried. He humped me between my legs and ejaculated on my butt. He cleaned up with a towel but I felt some cum going between my butt cheeks. is there a way for the cum to get into the anus and cause HIV? I think I might have got some like that.
Thanks. Are there any cases like that. No anal or oral sex was involved.
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Hi Lost , you have been told repeatedly what the risk factors are for HIV and warned about posting questions for no risk situations . You need to get some mental health counseling to deal with your obsession over HIV .
We can not hold your hand every time you have a sexual encounter so this ends here . If you came back and ask a no risk question again you will be given a time out .
If you need information about HIV transmission read this thread again . You are warned .