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« on: October 15, 2012, 07:28:59 pm »
Ok so I had sex with this girl the other day. I did it stupidly knowing that I had a tiny scab on my penis. The scab was maybe only the size of the tip of a ball point pen and was completely closed (I think).

I thought she would only be using her hand on me before we ended up meeting, which is why I didn't think much of it, but more ended up happening.

We had protected sex, and afterwards she used her hand on me and her mouth a little. I know HIV is very hard to transmit and it's unlikely that anything happened, but just thought I'd ask anyway.

I concerned that maybe some of her vaginal fluids came in contact with the scab or something like that. Although from what I've been reading if it's a scab HIV can't make its way through.

It's less than a week from the incident now and I have what I think is just a regular cold, although it has me worried that it may be HIV symptoms. I don't have any rash or thrush or fever, etc, just a very slight sore throat and a runny nose.

Also as far as I know this girl doesn't even have HIV, but she's just a random girl I met so I don't really know.

Thanks for any help!

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« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2012, 08:55:17 pm »
Under absolutely NO circumstances were you at any risk for HIV in the scenario as you described it

HIV is an extremely fragile virus and can not be transmitted by vaginal juices outside the body. As a matter of fact, the infectious fluids found inside the vagina are isolated far inside the vagina, in thick mucousal fluids near the cervix. You cannot reach them with a finger or tongue, only a penis. The other, lubricating fluids which you likely encountered are not any more infectious than saliva or sweat (which is to say, not at all.)

You wore a condom for penetrative sex. That's really all you need to do in order to prevent HIV infection. I certainly wish the same could be said for other STDs, but sadly it cannot.

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« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2012, 03:59:58 am »
Great thank you very much for the reply.

"As a matter of fact, the infectious fluids found inside the vagina are isolated far inside the vagina, in thick mucousal fluids near the cervix."

Interesting... I didn't know that, I thought it was all vaginal fluids.

In general though is it not possible for HIV to penetrate through a scab or other cut which isn't fresh?

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« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2012, 05:29:12 am »
Great thank you very much for the reply.

"As a matter of fact, the infectious fluids found inside the vagina are isolated far inside the vagina, in thick mucousal fluids near the cervix."

Interesting... I didn't know that, I thought it was all vaginal fluids.

In general though is it not possible for HIV to penetrate through a scab or other cut which isn't fresh?

It is not.

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« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2012, 04:36:02 pm »
Ok thank you again for your help :).

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« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2013, 11:17:04 pm »
Ok so I know that it is essentially impossible to transmit HIV orally (receiving as a male), however I have a bit of a different scenario.

Once in a while I'll have a threesome with a guy and a girl. There is no touching at all between the guys, but the girl will perform oral on both me and the other guy.

I'm wondering if it's possible to get HIV from this if the other guy happens to be positive? Say for example his semen (precum) gets into her mouth, then is passed on to me. As far as I know anyone I've done this with is not positive though.

I had an encounter a couple weeks ago though, and the day after I started to get sick. As far as I know this is too soon to be a sign of HIV, but I worried a bit anyway. I don't have a rash or anything, just a slightly sore throat for a day and a bit of a stuffy nose. Two other people who I live with were sick with similar symptoms before I got sick, so I'm assuming I just caught a cold from them.

So anyway, I just want to make the threesomes are a safe thing for me to do, as I don't want to worry every time I have one.

There's no unprotected sex during these other than oral sex.

Thanks to everyone who posts here to help people out with these questions.
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« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2013, 07:58:14 am »
mkm,

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NO, you're not going to become infected with hiv from a third party's cum in the mouth of the person blowing you. Not only is saliva not infectious, but it also contains over a dozen different proteins and enzymes that damage hiv and render it unable to infect.

Here's what you need to know in order to avoid hiv infection:

You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL sexually transmitted infections together.

To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with an STI. Sex without a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.

Have a look through the condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.

ALTHOUGH YOU DO NOT NEED TO TEST FOR HIV SPECIFICALLY OVER A BLOWJOB, anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results.

Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv. Some of the other STIs can be present with no obvious symptoms, so the only way to know for sure is to test.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!

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« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2013, 02:52:47 pm »
Hi Ann,

Ok great thank you. I was expecting that answer but just wanted to make sure.

I had basically forgotten about it, but I started feeling really crappy last night... bad cough, chills, etc. It seems to have gone away mostly over night though, although I still don't feel great.

And sorry last question... I had a tiny cut at the very base of my penis from shaving maybe an hour before the encounter... even with this it would not be possible to have gotten HIV?

Again as far as I know these people don't even have HIV and are generally safe, so I know I'm probably worrying needlessly.

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« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2013, 04:16:46 am »
Hi... sorry for bumping this topic but I'd like to get my questions off my chest before my seven day trial runs out and I can't post anymore.

So in addition to the above I'm just curious about the following:

I've seen you mention many times to people that they don't have HIV-specific symptoms. So what exactly are the HIV-specific symptoms? Sore throat? Swollen glands? Rash? Thrush?

Also you're saying that I don't need to worry about testing for this specific incident? If so I probably won't get tested (I was tested a few months ago anyway).

Thank you again for the help.

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« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2013, 08:14:05 am »
mkm,

There really aren't any specific symptoms of primary hiv infection. The symptoms - if they happen at all - are very general and flu-like. They come on all at once and go all at once, just like the flu.

The symptoms are not caused by the virus itself. They are caused by the process the body goes through while producing antibodies. Your body goes through the same process when you have the flu virus and are producing flu antibodies, hence the symptoms being so similar as to be indistinguishable.

You have NOT had a risk for hiv infection! If you cannot bring yourself to believe us, go test and collect your negative result. As a sexually active adult, you should be testing at least once a year anyway.

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« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2013, 05:56:22 pm »
Hmm well I've had flu-like symptoms so that doesn't really help, lol... although they haven't come and gone all at once (lasting cough, no more chills, no more fever... but still sick).

Anyway I'll believe you and will try to stop worrying about it :).

Thank you again for your help :).
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« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2016, 05:54:11 pm »
I'm curious whether it's possible to get HIV from a specific scenario. I've had a few threesomes in my life involving a a girl and another guy. Condoms were always used and there was no male on male action. However, the woman might suck both penises, one after the other.

Is this a risk for HIV? If the woman sucks the other guy's penis, then mine, is that a significant risk? There would be no ejaculate at this point, but maybe some pre-cum.

Second scenario (this happened to me recently)... I was having sex with a woman and for some odd reason she didn't tell me she had started her period. I was wearing a condom, but there was blood past the edge of the condom at the base of my penis. I didn't have any open sores, but did have a former ingrown hair there and am worried maybe there was some sort of opening in my skin.

Lastly a question about HIV symptoms. I believe I read here a while ago that generally HIV seroconversion symptoms come on all at once and leave all at once, rather than say happening one after the other. Is this accurate?

I'm asking because I had an itchy rash around my knee at some point after that sexual encounter. I will once in a while get weird stuff on my lower legs, however when the rash started going away my lower back started hurting, which is unusual for me.

If one were to get sore joints, is it usually the entire body or might it be localized in a specific location? I've had no fever or headaches, but have had a very low level scratchy throat for a few weeks now.

Thank you very much for any help!

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« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2016, 06:02:52 pm »
Hi

Look I read the post and both scenario's but nothing you mentioned was a transmission risk. Its the same questions you had in 2013 you are getting the same answers.

Getting a BJ is not a risk and there hasn’t been a single documented case of HIV transmission to an insertive partner (the person being "sucked") and you will not be the first. Nothing you mentioned changed that.

Ingrown hairs, blood outside the human body, no risk whatsoever.

HIV firstly needs to be present for it to be a risk and in sufficient quantity for it to transmit, it also than needs an effective route, and it must also reach cells which are susceptible to infection.  Nothing you mentioned meets the requirements for transmission.

The rest of you post you already had an answer from Ann. My answer will not be any different.

There really aren't any specific symptoms of primary hiv infection. The symptoms - if they happen at all - are very general and flu-like. They come on all at once and go all at once, just like the flu.

The symptoms are not caused by the virus itself. They are caused by the process the body goes through while producing antibodies. Your body goes through the same process when you have the flu virus and are producing flu antibodies, hence the symptoms being so similar as to be indistinguishable.

You have NOT had a risk for hiv infection! If you cannot bring yourself to believe us, go test and collect your negative result. As a sexually active adult, you should be testing at least once a year anyway.

Ann


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« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2016, 06:11:47 pm »
2013 Question:

Ok so I know that it is essentially impossible to transmit HIV orally (receiving as a male), however I have a bit of a different scenario.

Once in a while I'll have a threesome with a guy and a girl. There is no touching at all between the guys, but the girl will perform oral on both me and the other guy.

I'm wondering if it's possible to get HIV from this if the other guy happens to be positive? Say for example his semen (precum) gets into her mouth, then is passed on to me. As far as I know anyone I've done this with is not positive though.

2016 question:

I'm curious whether it's possible to get HIV from a specific scenario. I've had a few threesomes in my life involving a a girl and another guy. Condoms were always used and there was no male on male action. However, the woman might suck both penises, one after the other.

Is this a risk for HIV? If the woman sucks the other guy's penis, then mine, is that a significant risk? There would be no ejaculate at this point, but maybe some pre-cum.

See what I mean, its the same you need to move on.

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« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2016, 07:46:49 pm »
Thanks for your reply. Sorry I didn't look at my post history and had forgotten I asked a very similar question back then.

Thanks again,

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« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2020, 02:25:45 am »
So I know I'm being paranoid here and likely have nothing to worry about but am curious.

I made a huge cut on my finger last night by accident... very deep, lots of bleeding. Healed a bunch overnight and closed up mostly, but skin is still spread apart a bit tonight since the cut was so big.

Again no bleeding, but some (minimal) clear yellow serum coming out.

Had sex with someone tonight with a condom. Took it off and put it in the garbage. And rinsed my hand. Concerned that some fluids may have gotten in my cut during rinsing cause it's so deep.

Probably rinsed my hands 2 min after taking off the condom.

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« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2020, 03:14:35 am »
Hiya,

Cut on your finger and comming into contact with fluids from the condom is zero HIV risk.

Contuine to use condoms for any intercorse, no exceptions and, test for STI's & HIV out of standard routine at least yealry.
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« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2020, 09:03:15 pm »
Thanks very much for the quick reply! Sorry none back I was gone for the weekend.

I have another question about symptoms after infection. How likely is it to get sores on the tongue as part of initial symptoms? Is oral thrush or any other mouth related sore or issue usually way down the line in hiv?

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« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2020, 09:49:56 pm »
Hiya,

Most common inital symptoms are none whatsoever or none noticeable or specific. Thush & sores are not HIV specific and if you have thrush see your doctor and treat it.

To be frank your left leg and right arm could fall off, one thing is certain you did not acquire HIV through your cut finger.

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« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2020, 11:06:44 pm »
I'm adding to this thread here so as to not start another one.

I had sex with a sex worker tonight, who for some reason didn't tell me she was on her period or didn't realize it.

There was a significant amount of blood on the condom. As far as I know no open cuts or not broken condom. However when I realized this I took the condom off right away and washed any blood off the bottom of my shaft. My concern (and I know I'm probably being paranoid) is that some blood may have gotten in my urethra while washing it.

I understand that I'm being paranoid, but I'm curious that if this isn't a risk then why is penetrative sex a risk? Because there are more fluids possibly entering the urethra? Because of the friction which may cause microtears in the penis glans? I'm unclear how hiv is transmitted to a man from vaginal sex from a woman.

Anyway after cleaning myself off I did put on another condom and we finished anally. Again worried that some blood was still present under the condom and got inside my urethra or something.

I'm sorry for wasting anyone's time, probably again. I appreciate all the help that is provided here. Thank you.

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« Reply #21 on: December 08, 2020, 05:12:29 am »
HIV is fragile, this and the barriers means sexually HIV can only be acquired inside the confines of the human body as in never being exposures outside.

Fluids on the condom transferring to your penis when washing or removing the condom are not an HIV risk to you.
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« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2020, 08:34:17 pm »
Ok thank you... I appreciate your patience and help.

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