detoxification circumstances

[sanitex]

hello guys,   does detoxification has any thing to do with my regimens


my regimens  is sustiva, truvada. cuase some times i feel over full and bloating,so decided to use orange fiber form i bought from the drug shop.here is the name,5g mucilin)refined mucilloid of ispaghula seed 49gm (ispaghula husk) even any detox ,is it ok to use? it's like orange flavour.

[Matty the Damned]

It's really just orange flavoured metamucil.

Ispaghula husk is also known as psyllium husk and it won't cause any problems with your medications. Taken daily it's actually quite good for you, providing essential fibre in your diet. It can also control constipation and diarrhoea.

You can buy raw (unflavoured) psyllium quite cheaply from health food stores.

MtD

[Inchlingblue]

As MtD say fiber is quite good for you.

I would not take it at the same time as you take the medicine and I would avoid the orange flavored variety since it's loaded with sugar or artificial sweetener. If you can find the one without sugar that's better for you, even though it has no flavor.

It's also available in capsule form. Make sure to drink lots of water.

[bocker3]

I would not take it at the same time as you take the medicine

Why is that??  I've been taking fiber pills each morning with my Reyataz/Norvir for years

I would avoid the orange flavored variety since it's loaded with sugar or artificial sweetener. If you can find the one without sugar that's better for you, even though it has no flavor.

Not sure that without sugar is "better" for you.  If you don't want the added sugar or artificial sweetner, it might be the way to go -- but, except for diabetics, I wouldn't say it's better.  I suspect the fiber will work the same either way.

Mike

[J.R.E.]

Sanitex,

If you are not getting sufficient fiber in your diet, the pills can be beneficial.

My (nutritionist), told me  several weeks ago, to try to stay away from the bottled fiber.

Still the best way to achieve your daily dietary fiber,  is through your diet.  More vegetables, fruits, and all grain breads, and such.

I am on a daily 25 gm fiber diet. It's not that difficult to manage.


Ray

[Matty the Damned]

Only pozzies could disagree over the best way to take metamucil.

Heh.

MtD

[Inchlingblue]

Why is that??  I've been taking fiber pills each morning with my Reyataz/Norvir for years

Not sure that without sugar is "better" for you.  If you don't want the added sugar or artificial sweetner, it might be the way to go -- but, except for diabetics, I wouldn't say it's better.  I suspect the fiber will work the same either way.

Mike

I prefer to err on the side of caution and fiber can interact with some meds and affect drug absorption. Whether there is an interaction or not with HIV meds I don't know but why risk it? I think the number of grams of fiber would also play a role here, taking, say 2 grams at a time as opposed to 6 grams.  

Of course sweetened fiber still works as far as the fiber goes. I enjoy the occasional rich dessert as much as the next person but refined sugar, which are empty calories, are not good for anyone, diabetic or not. Also, some of these products are sweetened with sorbitol, an artificial sweetener that can cause cramps, bloating, diarrhea, and gas. Unsweetened fiber is the healthiest way to get one's fiber supplement.

If you do a Google search for "fiber drug absorption" or "fiber drug interaction," there's lots of useful information.

LINKS:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=fiber+drug+absorption&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=CrDEzvgdYTLmmBYvwygStuq25CgAAAKoEBU_QLKHI

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&&sa=X&ei=TghYTOinG4KB8ga_wZyHCw&ved=0CBQQvwUoAQ&q=fiber+drug+interaction&spell=1

[mecch]

Sanitex, you seem to post quite often with a question about the latest supplement of some kind or another. 
Are you always trying something new, and abandoning the last one?

[sanitex]

Sanitex, you seem to post quite often with a question about the latest supplement of some kind or another. 
Are you always trying something new, and abandoning the last one?

H! Mecch, it's not that i use to post with different questions but i want to learn more concerning
 this hiv in times of interactions from those that has been dealing with it long ago.
Thailand has many kinds of suppliments which's not international standard.

hello guys ,the one i bought has nothing to do with sugar ,it's sugar free,here are the ingredents.
citric acid0.2gm.sucrose 25.0gm. orange flavour powder 4.0gm sunset yellow F.C.F 0.1 gm.
Dextrose qs to 100.0gm. (dietary fiber) and laxative.
 buying it was just for cleanse because my stomach is like pumping out all day and gaining weight

[mecch]

I don't think anyone should use a laxative to loose weight, least of all someone with HIV. 

There is nothing "detoxifying" about a laxative.

Concentrate on your diet and exercise - there is no miracle cure for weight loss.  Also, even if you think that HAART is giving you weight gain, you still only have the solution of diet and exercise to fight it. 

Sounds like there are too many "cures" available in Thailand -

Just keep in mind the ACTUAL true drug that is working on your HIV is internationally approved and scientifically research HAART - not some local or traditional cure.

[Inchlingblue]

hello guys ,the one i bought has nothing to do with sugar ,it's sugar free,here are the ingredents.
citric acid0.2gm.sucrose 25.0gm. orange flavour powder 4.0gm sunset yellow F.C.F 0.1 gm.
Dextrose qs to 100.0gm. (dietary fiber) and laxative.
 buying it was just for cleanse because my stomach is like pumping out all day and gaining weight

Sucrose and Dextrose are sugars and the "orange flavour powder" probably has sugar.

I've been taking fiber for years (along with probiotics). Having adequate fiber is very important for many reasons. I highly recommend that you take fiber but, as already mentioned, you should find the one without sugar or artificial sugar.

In the US there is a brand called Konsyl which is excellent but it's kind of expensive. If you can find it in bulk at a health food store, as MtD mentions, it would likely be cheaper.

Konsyl:

http://www.konsyl.com/

As JRE mentions the best way to get fiber is through food (fruits, vegetables, whole grains) but if one's diet isn't always perfect, fiber supplements are a good thing.

[sanitex]

As JRE mentions the best way to get fiber is through food (fruits, vegetables, whole grains) but if one's diet isn't always perfect, fiber supplements are a good thing.



please remenber that what i'm talking about was how to detoxify myself not about
eating vegetables or fruits ,i knew that vegetables and fruits are around but i need something
which's in powder form leasy way to go toilet.

[Matty the Damned]

As JRE mentions the best way to get fiber is through food (fruits, vegetables, whole grains) but if one's diet isn't always perfect, fiber supplements are a good thing.



please remenber that what i'm talking about was how to detoxify myself not about
eating vegetables or fruits ,i knew that vegetables and fruits are around but i need something
which's in powder form leasy way to go toilet.

San,

You're not being very clear.

When you say "detoxify", what do you mean? Do you mean you have trouble with your bowel movements and need something help you go to the toilet?

MtD

[sanitex]

You're not being very clear.

When you say "detoxify", what do you mean? Do you mean you have trouble with your bowel movements and need something help you go to the toilet?


MTD, i do understood you ,yes" that's what i needed it for " bowel movement"sometime i want to write
it easy for you guys to understand but they keep on argueing.

[mecch]

Are you constipated?

There are no "toxins" in a normal healthy diet. There is nothing to "detox" -- this is Hollywood Star Fad Diet stuff.

I seem to remember you are concerned about weight gain.  So my repeat advice is that taking a laxative is NOT a smart, long-term plan to lose weight.

HIV is tough on the gut. If your digestion is working fine, don't mess with your gut functioning.  

[sanitex]

Mecch, thanks very much for your advice "exactly" i'm concern about my weight gain that's all.

[Nestor]

Sanitex,

Still the best way to achieve your daily dietary fiber,  is through your diet.  More vegetables, fruits, and all grain breads, and such.

I am on a daily 25 gm fiber diet. It's not that difficult to manage.


Ray

I agree completely with the above.  Barley is my favorite: it has more than three times the fiber of whole wheat or brown rice, and it also has lots of selenium, copper, niacin, and other good stuff.  It's supposed to have anti-oxident potential, too.  Also, you don't need to worry about whether it's whole or not; even refined barley has huge amounts of fiber.  Then there are beans, and fruits and vegetables.  Even just a few dried figs or prunes would have the same effect as psyllium husks, except they'd be a real food. 

Are you constipated?

There are no "toxins" in a normal healthy diet. There is nothing to "detox" -- this is Hollywood Star Fad Diet stuff.

I think I agree with the essence of what Mecch is saying here, but I'm more than a little surprised to hear this.  Our diets have no shortage of toxins.  There's MSG in almost everything, and artificial colors and flavors, and pesticides that have been sprayed on our fruits and vegetables, etc. etc.  Our skin care products are even more poorly regulated than our food and have been linked to all kinds of problems.  Then, those of us who are not living in the middle of the Engadine valley are probably breathing in rather polluted air on a regular basis.  There is, alas, quite a lot to "detox". 

However, I agree that it is best to avoid using the word, both because of its "hollywood star fad diet" associations, and because many of the diets that are associated with the word tend to be, at least in my opinion, rather unhealthy--nothing but water or juice for two weeks and that sort of thing. 

Sanitex, the problem here is that "detoxification" is such a vague word that it wasn't clear at first what precisely you meant by it.  It is true that eating a high-fiber diet can improve colon transit time, which may be a form of detoxification, but as I said above, I think incorporating real high-fiber foods into your diet would be a better choice.  As for losing weight, good luck!  One thing that worked for me was getting rid of sugar from my diet, which is good for several reasons; increasing exercise; not eating between meals (but then other people will tell you to eat lots of small meals throughout the day, so it really depends on what works for you) and just plain old-fashioned eating less, however unpleasant it was at first.  Eventually the body gets used to the new quantities. 

[mecch]

The OP wants to lose weight, Nestor.
The "detox" is a misnomer - just what this laxative product is called in Thailand.
Can't you leave aside your own agenda when the tangential info will only get confusing and cause anxiety?

[Matty the Damned]

The OP wants to lose weight, Nestor.
The "detox" is a misnomer - just what this laxative product is called in Thailand.
Can't you leave aside your own agenda when the tangential info will only get confusing and cause anxiety?

It's hardly a dangerous laxative. It's a psyllium husk based product similar to metamucil. These are commonly sold as "detox" remedies but they're pretty harmless.

It won't help the OP lose weight but it's not gonna kill him either.

So, you know, chillax Heidi.

MtD

[Nestor]

The OP wants to lose weight, Nestor.
The "detox" is a misnomer - just what this laxative product is called in Thailand.
Can't you leave aside your own agenda when the tangential info will only get confusing and cause anxiety?

??

Tangential info?  I recommended a few sources of fiber that might be more beneficial than psyllium husks, and I gave some general advice about weight loss.  Where was the agenda? 

[mecch]

The point is not that the laxative is dangerous, just that it will neither help loose weight, nor will it "detox" (which is not even a stated goal). Thus it is not the product that he needs, in my humble opinion.

[mecch]

??

Tangential info?  I recommended a few sources of fiber that might be more beneficial than psyllium husks, and I gave some general advice about weight loss.  Where was the agenda?  

That I pooh-poohed detox, since it seems not to be an issue here. That's all.

Forget it.

[Matty the Damned]

The point is not that the laxative is dangerous, just that it will neither help loose weight, nor will it "detox" (which is not even a stated goal). Thus it is not the product that he needs, in my humble opinion.

And no opinion is more humble.

If the OP wants to lose weight he needs to burn more calories than he consumes in any given period of time.

MtD

[mecch]

If any of you would keep up with Sanitex's posts, as I do, you would know he has been concerned about weight gain for some time.
And also there seems to be a non-native speaker communication gap to take into account.  sheesh.

[mecch]

If the OP wants to lose weight he needs to burn more calories than he consumes in any given period of time.

Exactly.  The point I made posts and posts ago.

And please keep your knocks on me to appropriate threads - its tiresome and irrelevant here.

[Matty the Damned]

If any of you would keep up with Sanitex's posts, as I do, you would know he has been concerned about weight gain for some time.
And also there seems to be a non-native speaker communication gap to take into account.  sheesh.

Oh I made a big patronising deal about his lack of English skills weeks ago. As usual I'm way ahead of you.

Exactly.  The point I made posts and posts ago.

Ugh we agree on something. How unsettling.

And please keep your knocks on me to appropriate threads - its tiresome and irrelevant here.

You know you love it.

MtD

[Rev. Moon]

The point is not that the laxative is dangerous, just that it will neither help loose weight

Mechita, dahling...

As promised by the other witches we'll be watching your use of teh English very closely.  For someone who knows the differences among "their, there, and they're" like you is I am quite shocked to see that you don't know the difference between "lose" (as in "lose weight when you have constant explosive-D") and "loose" (as in "drink that metamucil and let it loose, you constipated bint").   Be mindful of this in the future, dearest teacher of teachers.

Betta check yossef before ya wreck youssef.

[mecch]

Oh I made a big patronising deal about his lack of English skills weeks ago. As usual I'm way ahead of you.

Ugh we agree on something. How unsettling.

You know you love it.

MtD

MTD - I just posted about Judy Peabody in that nasty thread about "nasty HIV elites" - why don't you go grill me there, that would be fun.

Sanitex - the only people who casually use laxatives to lose weight are people with eating disorders and its not a healthy habit.  Certain athletes might do it too with the help of coaches and trainers in their sport.  

You will have to talk to some fitness coaches in your gym and or your doctor about ways to keep the weight off, for an average person, such as we are.  There is usually no easy solution although the basic formula is easy, as we have said - exercise and watch your calories.

[mecch]

Got me again! 
And do you really think scoring your shady little point in Sanitex's thread is fabulous?

[Rev. Moon]

Got me again! 
And do you really think scoring your shady little point in Sanitex's thread is fabulous?

Of course it is, you know I be all about the shade.  And it is not only fab, it is Ab-Fab circa 1994.

Sanitex won't mind, he knows I love me some him.

[mecch]

Well I'd pop some Bolly but there's an open bottle of Lanson from yesterday all ready. (and already)

[Matty the Damned]

MTD - I just posted about Judy Peabody in that nasty thread about "nasty HIV elites" - why don't you go grill me there, that would be fun.

How the fuck am I grilling you? My comments in this thread are relevant to the OP. Who the fuck is Judy Peabody?

MtD

[J.R.E.]

hello guys,   does detoxification has any thing to do with my regimens


my regimens  is sustiva, truvada. cuase some times i feel over full and bloating,so decided to use orange fiber form i bought from the drug shop.here is the name,5g mucilin)refined mucilloid of ispaghula seed 49gm (ispaghula husk) even any detox ,is it ok to use? it's like orange flavour.

Hello Sanitex,

Lets try to start from the beginning.  Many of the HIV medications can cause that bloated feeling, or that full sensation. I often,  have that bloated feeling,  but it is never to the point of causing great concern for me. But I also can keep it under control.

The first thing I would suggest, is to talk to your doctor, and explain to him the feeling that you get, with the bloating and fullness.

I will still tell you , that much of this can be somewhat controlled through your diet. Possibly by eating smaller meal portions, and eating more often during the day.

I am not sure about the product that you are using, and the purpose of it.  Was it suggested to you by you doctor?


It sounds to me, as though you are searching for some type of product, that will help to cleanse and empty your bowels out.  

In the United States, there are plenty of these "Colon cleanse" products available, advertised to "detoxify",  but I have never heard of any of these products doing the job. They are not meant to help one loose weight.  There are people out there, trying to make money , selling these products.


I gained quite a bit of weight after starting on meds, and my doctors tells me,  that I should try to loose at least 20 pounds.  It is hard to do, so I can understand your frustrations.

But I also want to warn you, that by constantly taking products that help to move you bowels, is not a healthy thing to do.

So,  My advice again, is to try making dietary changes, and try eating smaller size meals, but more often during the day.

If any of this is repetitive from previous post I apologize.

See if any of the information on the link below, may help you out  :

You need to make sure to bring these issues up with your doctor.


http://www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/Nutrition/Archive/Dietary/Q196909.html

http://www.aidsmeds.com/articles/Nutrition_4981.shtml


http://www.aidsmeds.com/articles/Nutrition_4987.shtml



Ray









 

[J.R.E.]

Hello Sanitex,


Here's some more info, that was provided to me from my doctors office.  It will take me some time to type it up, but I hope you find it informative:

WHAT IS FIBER

Fiber is the part of food our body can not digest.  It is only found in plant foods such as fruits, vegetables and grains.  Fiber is an important part of a healthy diet.  It helps prevent constipation by adding bulk to stools which makes them soft and easier to pass though the colon.

Adding fiber to your diet may also help to lower cholesterol,  control weight, blood pressure, and help prevent diverticulitis and colon cancer.


Dietary fiber is made up of two main types:  SOLUBLE AND INSOLUBLE

SOLUBLE

Soluble fiber (gums ,  pectins,  and mucilages)  forms a gel when mixed in liquid.  It is found in oats,  peas,  beans,  certain fruits,  and Psyllium ( a grain in some cereal products, dietary  supplements and bulk fiber laxatives)

Soluble fiber helps  regulate bowel movements and reduce blood cholesterol levels.


INSOLUBLE fiber (cellulose,  hemicellulose,  and Lignin, is not soluble in water.  it is found in wheat bran,  whole grain products,  and vegetables.  Insoluble fiber  INCREASES stool bulk and helps to regulate bowel movements.


Daily Fiber recommendations:


Current fiber recommendations are 20 - 35 grams per day,  5-10 grams of soluble fiber ,  and 15-25 grams of insoluble fiber.

To add more fiber to your diet, try to include at least one high fiber food at each meal.


Tips on avoiding constipation

1.  Drink plenty of liquids.  8 cups per day of water, milk,  or vegetable juices.  Broth ,  gelatin and popsicles, may also hel p to increase liquids.

2.  Eat three meals daily at regular hours .  ( in your case try eating 5 -6 smaller meals a day)

3.  Exercise each day.  Get some movement and activity everyday into your life.


Hope you can find this useful.

Ray

[sanitex]

J R E, thanks for your time devoted to explain this issue,appreciate your word
of encouragement remain bless. i thought you understood what i'm going true.
hiv has puting me into confusion,as you said i've reduced my daily intake to once a day.

well i'm not a native speaker but i tried my best to write as i could many kept on
talking about my english skill ,anyway not with standing i believed i do understood
whatever they wrote.

just want to add this,at my own office my employee is from American setting most of
my computers he can speak but coming to writing skills he's zero.but i'm helping him as a
christian friend,cause he told me about his conditions back in (U S A) white as well.when you
read some of things people wrote to (thebody.com)and I-bASE.INFO)most of it was writting
by americans,Austrians and other native speaker which you guys can see so many mistakes has
been correcting by the moderator thankx