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Pls Assess my risk
« on: February 23, 2021, 02:35:58 pm »
Hello,

I am a 23 year old bi guy from the UK. This story will not be new to you admits, but I thank you for reading this. A few weeks ago, I hooked up with this guy on grindr. I did not know his status.

There was no type of anal sex whatsoever (I'm a virgin in both anal and vaginal), but I did perform oral on him. I do not recall having any cuts on my lips and/or inside my mouth. He did not cum in my mouth directly (he came from a handjob), but after he wiped himself off, I performed oral on him again. I also do not remember if I accidentally rubbed some semen in my eye using the hand I finished him off with (whether I wiped my hand or not)

Assuming this guy was positive, had cuts on my lip/mouth, and rubbed my eye with the semen, what is my risk?

I had a look before on this forum and it says generally low, but did see an article where someone became positive over an ejaculation-less bj, but they also had (protected) anal sex. Resultantly it has freaked me out a bit, when I don't think it should.

Any advice would be appreciated,

Thank you so much.

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« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2021, 02:47:29 pm »
Hiya,

Regardless if there any semen on your hands, rubbing your face with your hands is not an HIV risk. None whatsoever.

As for giving a blowjob, the mouth generally lacks a route for HIV to infect. Even if you had gaping wounds in your head like meth mouth, saliva also acts to neutralize HIV by damaging the receptors needed to infect human cells.

It's such a minute risk that we don't even recommend specifically testing over it, let alone any stress.
 
Relax and move on with your life. Just get tested at least yearly for STI's and HIV as you are sexually active, stop reading stories online and thinking it somehow relevant as it is not.

Here's what you need to know to avoid HIV infection:
Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, every time, no exceptions. Consider talking to your health care provider about taking PrEP going forward as an additional layer of HIV protection.

Keep in mind that some sexual practices which may be described as ‘safe’ in terms of HIV transmission might still pose a risk for transmission of other STI's, so please do get fully tested regularly and at least yearly for all STI's including but not limited to HIV and test more frequently if unprotected intercourse occurs

Also, note that it is possible to have an STI and show no signs or symptoms and the only way of knowing is by testing.

Kind regards

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« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2021, 02:58:41 pm »
Hello,

Thanks for the speedy reply. Just to clarify.... rubbing your eyes with semen covered hands is not classed as a risk??

P.s. I shall try not to read other peoples stories, and will go for an sti screening later in the year.

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« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2021, 03:01:45 pm »
You're welcome.

Asked and answered, asking again changed nothing. Hands with fluids on them, eyes,  not an HIV risk.

The BJ was the only thing mentioned that was a theoretical risk. Nothing to stress about.

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« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2021, 10:05:02 am »
Hi Jim,

Thanks for the reply. Just a few more questions from me and think I'll be good!

1. Does a sore throat affect the risk of HIV transmission (provided one swallows semen)?

2. I heard that HIV itself is a fragile virus, but does the sexual fluids/blood protect the virus from being degraded quicker than  it should, I.e., when semen exposed to air?

3. How risky is mutual masturbation for HIV transmission (if semen touches the tip of the urethra etc)? I know the only known risks are unprotected anal/vaginal sex, and sharing drug needles.

I'll definitely practise safe sex in the future, and when I get tested (hopefully) will have a negative result. Thank you once again for your help.... I would probably be freaking out incessantly if it was not for you.

Kindest Regards,
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« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2021, 02:06:00 pm »
1) no
1) no
3) Mutual masturbation, no HIV risk.

If what you posted here was your only sexual encounter then the routine yearly HIV test result will be non-reactive (negative).
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« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2021, 02:15:06 pm »
Hi Jim,

Thanks again. Admittedly, this was not my first activity, but my second. My first risk entailed performing oral sex on a dude (unknown status) where I had ulcers in my mouth. There was full ejaculation. I took the BioSure HIV home test after the 3 month window period and it came back negative. Just to confirm that this was a conclusive result, so I don't need to worry about it?

I also recently performed a handjob to a gentleman (unknown status), to which he resultantly ejaculated on my hand. From what I have read here, that is classed as no risk. Do small cuts on your hand/fingers make it a theoretical risk?

Again, I feel like all situations that I mentioned does not seem to warrant PeP/ further testing apart from my annual sexual health check like you said about my mentioned exposure.


Kind Regards,
Jxcoze
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« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2021, 02:26:21 pm »
Hiya,

The BJ did not need testing to start with and the result is conclusive.

The handjob is not an HIV risk. HIV is fragile, limited and sexually only acquired inside the human body as in never being exposed to the environment outside of it's the environment. Also, any day to day wounds, cuts, scrapes, etc is not a route for HIV.

Try to relax, use condoms for any future intercourse, continue screening yearly for STI's & HIV and consider talking to your healthcare provider about PrEP as an additional layer of HIV prevention.
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« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2021, 02:29:58 pm »
Hi Jim,

Thanks again. In future encounters, I shall endeavour to practice safe sex. I am unable to take PrEP as I have an existing chronic kidney condition, so I will have to be more vigilant should I ever engage in anal/vaginal sex in the future.

Kind Regards,

Jxcoze

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« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2021, 01:36:13 pm »
Hi Jim/Other admins that may read this,

I have another question about transmission risks. I know you said that semen from the hands to the eye is essentially not a risk, but what about direct semen splashes into the eye? Would that be a (theoretical) risk if at all?

Apologies for the inane question, I am trying to learn more about this virus in general, and Google seems to give conflicting answers.

Kind Regards

Jxcoze

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« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2021, 01:43:05 pm »
Hiya,

Not an hiv concern is the answer, you are over thinking this.
Stop googling for issues you don't have otherwise sooner or later you will end up asking me about toilet seats and public phone boxes.

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« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2021, 01:47:12 pm »
Hi Jim,

Thanks for the reply. I'll stop googling stuff from now on! I also feel like there was a bit of a serious but humourous tone there regarding about googling toilet seats.... I guess you have had people give you questions like that 😅😂? Don't worry, even I know that would be a zero risk!

Kind Regards
Jxcoze

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« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2021, 10:21:15 am »
Hi Jim,

This one isn't for me but for a friend, if that's ok? She's getting really worried about her exposure and was wondering if you could help. She recently (about a month ago) hooked up with a guy (protected vaginal sex, unprotected oral) and when the guy came, some of the semen went into her mouth and some in her eyes, which she rubbed slightly after the cum went in. She said that her eyes were red and irritated, even after she washed the cum off. She's just had symptoms (fever, muscle aches etc.) and was wondering if this could be HIV related, or due to something else?

She does not remember the condom breaking, but is
still panicking.

Kindest Regards,

Jxcoze

P.S. I've showed her our chats, but she is still unable to calm down
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« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2021, 01:05:19 pm »
If your friend wants an assessment they can create their own account.

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« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2021, 01:12:10 pm »
Hi Jim,

I'll tell her now.

Kind Regards,
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« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2021, 11:16:28 am »
Hi Admins,

This will be my last post (for a while) but thank you for the advice ;D  ;D. I shall make sure to practice safe sex (when required) test at the end of the year (hopefully everything will be negative)!!!

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« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2021, 01:06:56 pm »
Hi Jim,

Last post (definitely this time). I have just spoken to my doctor and suggested to not get on PrEP due to my kidneys. Is there any other form of anti-HIV medication or will condoms suffice should I engage in further activities in the future?

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« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2021, 01:39:33 pm »
Hiya.

There are a few things you could talk to your doctor about such as Descovy PrEP instead of Truvada or on-demand dosing instead of daily.
https://www.aidsmap.com/news/mar-2019/descovy-non-inferior-truvada-daily-prep

However, if PrEP is not an option you can still have safer sex.

In short, HIV can't transmit through an intact latex or polyurethane condom. However, incorrect or inconsistent usage is an issue to its effectiveness against HIV.

Sadly there are plenty of myths about condoms or misguided publications so below I've included the basics and links to the best, largest and longest collection of studies performed to put that question to rest.

Condom Usage in short:

What you need to know about condoms is that latex or polyurethane are highly effective barriers against HIV. HIV can't transmit through this intact barrier.

Use approved condoms. In other words, check for a certification mark (FDA, CE, ISO or Kitemark). Check the expiry date and make sure the condom is still in date.

Use lubricant, condom safe water-based lubricants make condoms more comfortable and reduces the risk of breakage. – but avoid oil-based lubricants as they can weaken or break condoms.

Its import to put the condom on correctly. If incorrectly done, it may increase the risk of breakage. Place the condom on top of the erect penis, pinch the teat at the end before you start to roll it down the penis. By doing this, you'll squeeze out any air bubbles and ensure there is room for the semen (cum). Roll the condom down to the base of the penis.

If it's on correctly, it will roll downwards easily. If you've started putting it on the wrong way, take it off and even if you or your partner has not ejaculated (cum) there can still be semen or (pre-cum), so it's important to try again with a new condom. (More to do with risks from other STI's than anything else)

Finally, keep in mind that condom effectiveness against other STI's is a different matter as effectiveness varies depending on how the STI is transmitted. However, they do generally reduce the risk but do keep testing at least yearly.

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During the last 15 years, the European Commission has financed several research projects aimed at studying, (directly or indirectly), the use of condoms as a preventive measure against sexually transmitted diseases, including HIV/AIDS. These projects were carried out not only in Europe, but also in Asia and sub-Saharan Africa, where the burden of the HIV epidemic is at its highest. All the studies concluded that the male condom was an effective way of preventing the transmission of HIV, with an efficacy close to 100% when the condom is used appropriately.

https://www.who.int/hiv/mediacentre/news/condoms-joint-positionpaper/en/
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« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2021, 01:56:50 pm »
Hi Jim,

Thanks so much. Please keep doing what you are doing. You really help a lot of worried people like me.

Thanks to you, I am not worrying as much about the initial risk that I posted on here  ;D.

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« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2021, 10:54:07 am »
Hey Jim,

I'm back. I think my situation is a minor one again but not too sure. Yesterday, I gave (protected) oral sex to a guy (not a risk, I know), and he also dry humped me (we were both naked, his penis did not go inside my ass so not a risk). However, as I was blowing him, I felt a sharp sensation in my side/back, which I didn't really acknowledge till after the session.

I checked my body, and nothing seemed to be bleeding/ showing any signs of infliction, but I have a weird thought that he may have hidden a sharp (e.g. a syringe or needle) of some sort and poked me with it. However, I didn't see anything sharp during our session, but I was to focused on performing oral sex. It could have been his nail, but I honestly don't know. I feel like I would have known/remembered if a needle went into my body, but I don't know if I'm second guessing.

Was I at risk or am I being irrational? Can I relax and move on with my life?

Kind Regards,
Jxcoze
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« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2021, 01:26:08 pm »
I read it 3 times, its not an HIV risk.






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« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2021, 01:36:15 pm »
Thanks Jim. I'll try to be more careful and not so be in my head next time.

Can I ask why this was not a risk? Apologies
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« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2021, 02:26:59 pm »
Actually Jim,

Never mind. If you say it's not a risk, I'll take your word for it and test when due. I'll see someone about this as well regarding my irrational fears. I'll relax for now and move on with my life

Kindest Regards,
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« Reply #23 on: March 10, 2021, 03:17:00 pm »
If someone stabbed you with a syringe (hollow needle), you would not doubt it, and you would not continue giving a blow job uninterrupted. Any other sharp object is not an issue anyway. As for hollow needles, holding still with a trained nurse is one thing. Some novice stabbing you whilst moving about is another, and again you would have clearly known without any doubts.

Also, even that is not an issue unless they also injected you, that takes more than a moment, and you would have known about it.

There is then the why?? Even if some nut wanted to pass on HIV I can think of much better more effective ways.

You had a sharp sensation it's nothing more than that, no need to overthink it. This is irrational fear, move on with your life.
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« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2021, 03:27:03 pm »
Thanks Jim. You're right :) I'll try not to doubt my self and  I'll move on from this now 😊

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« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2021, 03:24:03 am »
Hi Jim,

Just another quick q. I was wondering, as a person who has never had anal or vaginal sex before, would I notice if a penis would go in me? I'm 99% sure that I wasn't entered into in my last encounter, but am still going to get a test after 6 weeks.

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« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2021, 05:32:30 am »
Hiya.

You are overthinking this. If you had been penetrated you would have known about it.

Your posts about no-risk situations etc are starting to get excessive. Use condoms for any intercourse, test yearly.

In the meantime, move on with your life, stop focusing on issues you don't have.

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« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2021, 05:47:58 am »
Hi Jim,

 I've booked to start some counselling sessions with my GP/ a counsellor about this soon. Thank you again, I'm trying not to be in my head again.

Kindest Regards,
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« Reply #28 on: March 29, 2021, 05:45:24 am »
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« Reply #29 on: June 02, 2021, 11:42:35 am »
Hey Jim,

Thanks again for your work. I was hoping if you could help me with something.

On March 30th I did some sexual activity that required (more consider apparently) PEP (Initially protected anal sex where I was the receptive partner. He got the head in and the condom broke, so I took it out).

I stopped PEP on the 27th April, and on the 18th May underwent a blood test (approx. 3 weeks post pep). It came back negative. I know that this does not cover the exposure that warranted PEP but does this cover all the other events prior? When should I test post-PEP?

Another thing. I know that you mentioned oral sex was a near negligible concern for HIV (but not for other STIs), so have engaged in a few oral sessions since then. I recently (today) performed oral on a man, where I did deepthroat hi, and tested pre-cum. He did not cum in my mouth at all.

I checked my mouth after and found a non-painful sore/inflammation and saw that my tonsil may have been slightly bleeding. Would this increase the risk? Would this need PEP again?

Thank you again,
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« Reply #30 on: June 02, 2021, 11:57:06 am »
The result you have is a good indicator, now to confirm your HIV status test with a blood-drawn HIV antibodies test at 6 weeks post finishing PEP, a negative result at that time will rarely ever change. Now although not needed, if you wish you can re-test at 3 months post finishing PEP, for a conclusive result and peace of mind.

Regarding the blowjob, I've answered this before and nothing you mentioned changes anything.

As for giving a blowjob, the mouth generally lacks a route for HIV to infect. Even if you had gaping wounds in your head like meth mouth, saliva also acts to neutralize HIV by damaging the receptors needed to infect human cells.

It's such a minute risk that we don't even recommend specifically testing over it, let alone any stress.
 
Relax and move on with your life. Just get tested at least yearly for STI's and HIV as you are sexually active, stop reading stories online and thinking it somehow relevant as it is not.
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« Reply #31 on: June 02, 2021, 12:01:51 pm »
Hi Jim,

Thank you so much! I was initially panicking about the BJ situation, so thank you. I did remember that it had to enter your bloodstream so tried to rationalise how it could enter my blood if the blood was pouring out. Thank you for giving me the piece of mind to move on from this scenario

Also, I'm not entirely sure why they did this but during PEP, the nurse tested me. I asked and they said if  I had HIV it would have been in my blood by then,  could you by any chance elaborate? I thought PEP delayed seroconversion is why

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« Reply #32 on: June 02, 2021, 12:05:52 pm »
Hi Jim,

Thank you so much! I was initially panicking about the BJ situation, so thank you. I did remember that it had to enter your bloodstream so tried to rationalise how it could enter my blood if the blood was pouring out. Thank you for giving me the piece of mind to move on from this scenario

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« Reply #33 on: June 02, 2021, 12:10:33 pm »
You're welcome.

Not really interested in what some nurse said to you.
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« Reply #34 on: June 02, 2021, 12:14:53 pm »
Thanks anyway Jim!

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« Reply #35 on: July 06, 2021, 11:35:03 am »
Hi Jim,

Thanks again for your work. I ended up testing negative at 5 weeks and 2 days post finishing PEP so my doctor put me on PrEP, which was Descovy at first. I was prescribed this for a month until my doctor switched me to Truvada since my EGFR results were deemed good enough.

A week prior to the switch in medication I had a brief experience with a sexual partner, where it was a short bout of unprotected anal and fingering (I was the receptive partner) until we both decided to use a condom instead. I remember him not ejaculating in me, however.

I know this is a real world risk, and that PrEP is highly effective in decreasing my chances of HIV contraction. I'm just wondering however whether the medication switch a week after this (Descovy to Truvada) would provide me with similar protection? Would I have had enough of Descovy in my system to protect me from the exposure?

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« Reply #36 on: July 06, 2021, 11:45:56 am »
Hiya,

So condomless intercourse and you were still taking Descovy daily PrEP at the time of the encounter and the week that followed?

Then you nearly answered the question yourself, PrEP is highly effective in preventing HIV. My only comment is it's not a guarantee and it does not prevent other STI's, so do test more frequently for HIV & STI's, ideally every 3 months.

Anyhow, the switch a week later is not an issue regarding this encounter.
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« Reply #37 on: July 06, 2021, 11:49:07 am »
Hi Jim,

So yes. I was still on daily Descovy during this encounter as well as the next week until my Truvada switch. Hopefully I'll be fine from this encounter but hoping to test for the other STDs soon

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« Reply #38 on: July 10, 2021, 12:00:30 pm »
Hi Jim,

I don't know if this is relevant at all but the past couple of days, I have been experiencing symptoms such swollen tonsils with white exudate, and aching joints. I have read that these are part of ARS symptoms, but I know that it could be something else. Do you have any advice? Could this be ARS?


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« Reply #39 on: July 10, 2021, 12:05:00 pm »
No it's not relevant.
See your doctor and treat whatever is making you sick.

Look you had a risk, but your on PrEP so stop stressing. Test as per routine, next time use condoms to reduce your stressing afterwards and your HIV & STI risk
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