Author Topic: Blood Draw at home (Read 27422 times)

sam12345678 · « **on:** September 03, 2012, 01:16:45 pm »

Hi Guys
I am worried father and want some help. I went to a stripclub near London.
You sit on a chair and the dancer comes around and dances for you. I never touched the dancer. She was completely naked and when she came near me she put her hands in her vagina and then on her breasts and then grinded my face. it had happened so fast I was not ready for that.and may be her breasts touched my eyes. I am worried now and thinking about it constantly that the vaginal fluids or blood from her vagina came onto her breasts and then in my eyes I will be infected. Since it was dark there I was not able to see whether the vagina had blood in it. It recollect that it did not hurt my eye when she put the breasts onmy face. but you never know. Please let me know when I should get tested and is there a test which can detect early. I dont know how to face my wife now.I dont want to put my wife at risk now if I am infected.Please help

jkinatl2 · « **Reply #1 on:** September 03, 2012, 02:08:09 pm »

Quote from: sam12345678 on September 03, 2012, 01:16:45 pm

Hi Guys
I am worried father and want some help. I went to a stripclub near London.
You sit on a chair and the dancer comes around and dances for you. I never touched the dancer. She was completely naked and when she came near me she put her hands in her vagina and then on her breasts and then grinded my face. it had happened so fast I was not ready for that.and may be her breasts touched my eyes. I am worried now and thinking about it constantly that the vaginal fluids or blood from her vagina came onto her breasts and then in my eyes I will be infected. Since it was dark there I was not able to see whether the vagina had blood in it. It recollect that it did not hurt my eye when she put the breasts onmy face. but you never know. Please let me know when I should get tested and is there a test which can detect early. I dont know how to face my wife now.I dont want to put my wife at risk now if I am infected.Please help

Under ABSOLUTELY NO CIRCUMSTANCES is this even remotely an HIV risk.

HIV is an incredibly fragile virus that can only be transmitted in certain very specific ways. Unprotected vaginal/anal sex, sharing IV drug needles, and occasionally from mother to infant.

It does not remain infectious outside the body. Nothing that grazed your eyes, no moist spots, no wetness can transmit HIV. You were absolutely not at any risk whatsoever.

sam12345678 · « **Reply #2 on:** September 03, 2012, 02:55:08 pm »

Thanks a lot for you information. It was very relieving. You said absolutely no circumstances this is possible. It means I need no testing. Even if there is some slight vaginal blood on her breasts that would not make a difference. I have a heard that eye can be receiver of hiv as it has fluids in it. As this was so sudden that hiv may not be inactivated and I would be infected.

jkinatl2 · « **Reply #3 on:** September 03, 2012, 03:02:17 pm »

Quote from: sam12345678 on September 03, 2012, 02:55:08 pm

Thanks a lot for you information. It was very relieving. You said absolutely no circumstances this is possible. It means I need no testing. Even if there is some slight vaginal blood on her breasts that would not make a difference. I have a heard that eye can be receiver of hiv as it has fluids in it. As this was so sudden that hiv may not be inactivated and I would be infected.

There is absolutely no evidence that HIV can be transmitted through the eye during anything short of an arterial blood splash in a healthcare environment. The vaginal fluids one encounters "in the wild" are not infectious. It's the thicker fluid deep within the vagina that carries infectious particles, which is why only penetrative sex can transmit the virus.

Things like fingering and cunnilingus, for example, will NOT transmit HIV.

You had no risk and no need to test.

sam12345678 · « **Reply #4 on:** September 04, 2012, 03:39:34 am »

Thanks for the answer.
You said that superficial vaginal fluids are not infectious but may be there is some blood element in it as the dancer would be menesurating and there might be a risk than or not.
Please help

Ann · « **Reply #5 on:** September 04, 2012, 04:52:20 am »

Sam,

You cannot seriously think a woman is going to be stripping while on her period, dipping her fingers into her vagina and smearing the blood on her breasts, can you? We women are very private about our periods and I can guarantee you that what you are imagining might have happened, did NOT happen.

You know, even if this DID happen, you were still not at risk.

Hiv is a fragile, difficult to transmit virus that is primarily transmitted INSIDE the human body, as in unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse where the virus never leaves the confines of the two bodies.

Once outside the body, small changes in temperature, and pH and moisture levels all quickly damage the virus and render it unable to infect. For this reason, getting vaginal fluids - even fluids with some blood in them - on your skin or in your eyes is NOT going to put you at risk.

You seriously need to put this behind you and get on with your life. If hiv were as easily transmitted as you are imagining, pretty much everyone in the world would be hiv positive by now. They're not.

This is all about your guilt over having had a lap-dance. You think you're going to get punished. Well, guess what. Hiv isn't a punishment, and you did NOT have a risk. NO way, NO how.

Ann

sam12345678 · « **Reply #6 on:** September 17, 2012, 09:50:32 am »

Hi Guys
I am now in the third week after my incident. I have severe sore throat, headache, little temperature and fatigue, sneezing a bit, feel like sleeping at work, can't even talk a lot. I pray may be common cold and not ARS. Also I had completely forgotten about this after two weeks of mental torture and thought nothing is going to happen to me .I even had sex with my wife but tried to use condoms but later just did without it because me and my wife not comfortable with it as we never use them. Beacuse of the sore throat and temperature I am worried now. I had gone to the GUM Clinic immediately after the incident (3 days after the incident) and did HIV rapid test which was negative and they said that the risk is low and told me to come after three weeks for some final test. I have no sexual partners other than my wife for 10 years, nor injected any drugs etc. I am really stressed now as I am getting unwell. I feel extremely bad about this and when I see my kids I repent every moment. How can I be so irresponsible to my wife and my kids and now I am in a big problem. What if there were fluids/blood and it come in contact with my eye, this lingers in my head 24/7. I never had a private dance with her she came to me as I was first in the line driniking beer and started putting fingers and grinding her breast on me and she did to other customers also. I am idiot and thought it would be safe and did not react that time.Nothing is safe in this world afterall, there can be accidents. May be I am the victim now.

Ann · « **Reply #7 on:** September 17, 2012, 10:06:33 am »

Sam,

As we already told you, you did NOT have a risk for hiv infection. Re-read your entire thread until it sinks in.

If you feel unwell, see a doctor. Whatever is going on has NOTHING to do with hiv.

Ann

sam12345678 · « **Reply #8 on:** September 18, 2012, 11:47:10 am »

Hi Ann
Thanks for your reply.
I was ok till today and had sound sleep yesterday which has relived my sore throat a lot but still feeling warm and unwell. I aslo got scared when I read recently positive forum that there are some folks have been infected inspite of using condoms or oral sex. How can it be, may be they did not use it correctly or they are not telling the truth I guess or in the HIV virus world anything is possible.
Thanks

Ann · « **Reply #9 on:** September 18, 2012, 12:01:51 pm »

Sam,

For the last time, if you feel unwell, see a doctor. Whatever is going on has nothing to do with hiv. You have not had a risk for hiv infection.

And yes, some people will lie and some people forget what they actually did under the influence of drink and/or drugs.

If you read the Welcome Thread before posting like you're supposed to, you will have read the following posting guideline:

Quote

Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). If you continue to post excessively after one Time Out, you may be given a second Time Out which will last eight weeks. There is no third Time Out - it is a permanent ban. The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.

Please consider yourself warned!

Ann

sam12345678 · « **Reply #10 on:** October 01, 2012, 12:30:35 pm »

Hi Ann
I am in a big problem now and did not listen to you and got tested. Now I am haunted with fears and nightmares.
I went to a GUM clinic and they tested me with HIV DUO after 2 weeks which came back negative and thought I have been infected by a needle by the nurse so I went yesterday and took PCR test from private clinic freedomhealth in uk. Now I am thinking that the doctor has infected me and may be he is different intentions. I dont know what would be the result of pcr and I am going crazy and paranoid. I dont know if the doctor says the pcr is positive then I can't even prove that I had no risks etc. Testing unneccasry is really dangerous and anxiety provoking and I should have taken your advise. This is more dangerous than my risks. Please do not give me time out I know you will annoyed. I am desperate for help. Can I assume that everything will be fine. Please help

RapidRod · « **Reply #11 on:** October 01, 2012, 08:48:02 pm »

Seek professional mental help for your irrational thoughts.

sam12345678 · « **Reply #12 on:** October 02, 2012, 03:59:46 am »

Thanks Teak
Hi Ann
Need your help.
I know its irrational but my mind does not accept it. People do hurt others intentionally. There are criminals who want to harm others. I understand that this is very rare but what if its with me. I have some nightmare like -'What if someone puts the needle in bottle of hiv blood and draws blood from my vein,What I will do if I get infected, how I will face my family'. These fears haunt me. I dont know when this will stop and its taking my time, money and my life. I am in constant state of fear and anxiety.
Please help.

Ann · « **Reply #13 on:** October 02, 2012, 04:00:28 am »

Sam,

People in health clinics are not in the business of infecting people.

As Rodney suggested, seek counseling so you can learn to deal with your irrational thoughts. We cannot help you with that here.

If you continue to post about these NO RISK situations, you WILL be given that time out you've been warned about. Please consider yourself warned for the last time!!!

Ann

sam12345678 · « **Reply #14 on:** June 04, 2024, 10:08:13 am »

Hello
I had a private phlebotomist come home to take blood in the UK.
I noticed some things were not done in right order.
She had a right hand finger wrapped around with bandaid.
She wore two gloves.
But some strange thing happened, she removed the plastic cap of the butterfly needle and after that holding in one hand the needle without the cap, tried to go for the alcohol swab and managed to tear it with one hand and then cleaned my veins. Usually they first wipe and then open the butterfly needle plastic cap so it remains sterile and then insert the needle to take blood. May be she forgot and came to realise latter I assume. But this was strange.
Also while taking blood needle came out of vein while removing the tube and some blood spill on my arm from the needle and she cleaned with a alocohol swab and then gave a piece of cotton to put on my vein. The whole experience was not good. It freaked me out.
I am little paranoid about this
1. What if she intentionally or unintentionally pricked herself on her exposed arm or forearm with needle while getting the alocohol swab before drawing blood. Is that amount of blood on the needle sufficient to cause infection
2. What if she has the virus but on treatment then it would not be sufficient right.
3. Is this risk fall under injection drug or needlestick injury use as the needle went straight away into my vein assuming she pricked herself.
4. I know this is what if but the procedure done was not proper method.
5. Its been a week now should I go for testing.

Jim Allen · « **Reply #15 on:** June 04, 2024, 10:32:54 am »

Hiya.

Read your post three times including all the "what ifs" with great care. You had a blood draw done and zero HIV risk from it, that's the answer.

Next time make it clear to the person doing it that you have irrational HIV fears so they can take additional time to walk you through the process and reassure you. Move on with your life and please don't post about this again, thank you.

Quote from: Ann on October 02, 2012, 04:00:28 am

Sam,

seek counseling so you can learn to deal with your irrational thoughts. We cannot help you with that here.

If you continue to post about these NO RISK situations, you WILL be given that time out you've been warned about. Please consider yourself warned for the last time!!!

Ann

P.S:

If you are sexually active use condoms for any intercourse, talk to your healthcare provider about the HPV & Hepatitis A & B vaccinations and out of standard routine get an STI & HIV screening yearly.

sam12345678 · « **Reply #16 on:** June 04, 2024, 11:10:21 am »

Thanks Jim
I already told her that I am not comfortable with blood draws.
I know I have these irrational fears but this time inspite of telling her proper procedure was not followed thats the reason why I am thinking about these what if situations and getting freaked out after couple of days. If she had pricked herself I would have noticed it right. Hope so your are right and my fears dont come true

. I will try to move on.
Thanks for your support.

Jim Allen · « **Reply #17 on:** June 04, 2024, 11:26:10 am »

Next time tell them you have an HIV phobia/fear instead of saying you're not comfortable. The double-gloving was excessive but not an HIV concern, the procedure was perfectly fine and nothing she did was an issue whatsoever.

The issue is with you, not her. Don't post again.

sam12345678 · « **Reply #18 on:** July 13, 2024, 05:15:56 pm »

Thanks for your support. Also I appologise for my previous post regarding Hiv phobia blood draw. Yes I have hiv phobia but this something happened with
me recently. I am pre-diabetic and do blood sugar reguraly. I have a lancet pen in a small black bag and re-use it two three times because no one uses it at home. The needle I clean it with alchol everytime with a
swab and use it two three times.Now this is I am worried about. I had someone from high risk hiv country to clean the house. My lancet pen with the needle i kept it inside the bag. I keep it depressed always so next time I can use it quickly. I thought while picking and
moving the small bag the cleaning lady pricked herself with the lancet by mistake when she touched my bag beacuse the needle inside pen was depressed and accidentaly it went off when she moved the bag somewhere on the table when cleaning. She might never know whether there was depressed lancet inside. I did not see her pricking herself so
did not even ask.
I always believe that lancet needle will
never come out of the small polysyter bag and prick anyone. Foolishly I tried to experiment pricking from inside of the bag whether blood will be drawn if finger touched the outisde of the bag and surprisingly I pricked myself and blood came out. The bag was not that thick enough
the lancet needle penetatred the bag.The needle was cleaned before pricking.
My questions is that. If the person had pricked herself accidentaly there would be small amount blood deposited on the bag surface. When I pricked myself by keeping lancet inside of the bag would the blood on the outside of the bag go into my finger which was outside of the bag and cause infection in the fresh wound created by the lancet during this experimenting. Inwanted to expeirment the real sceanrio so i diid this
foolishly
Assuming The time between her and me experimenting would be less than 1 mins is it a low risk. since the bag was black I cannot see blood on it easily.Please help. Thanks for your support and carry on good work.
your support.

Jim Allen · « **Reply #19 on:** July 13, 2024, 05:35:11 pm »

Zero HIV risk.

I wish you well but don't post about this again, if you have these thoughts again please conside talking to a psychiatrist.

sam12345678 · « **Reply #20 on:** July 13, 2024, 05:53:41 pm »

Thanks Jim. Please dont judge me because of my previous post. If it was someone else you would have posted this you would have given proper explanation but just because I have some history you just said assessed zero risk. Why the blood on the bag cannot infect me. It can easily pushed by the lancet into my finger. I have never lied about I saw or felt. she moved my bag because it was not in the same place so was worried whether accidentaly unknowingly she might have pricked while moving and blood deposited on the bag. Please help me with proper explanation. Thanks for your support.

Jim Allen · « **Reply #21 on:** July 13, 2024, 06:01:07 pm »

Quote

If it was someone else you would have posted this you would have given proper explanation

You got a proper answer and your history here had nothing to do with it, if I took history into account I would just ban you directly.

I read your post three times, it's zero HIV risk. If I had personally as someone living with HIV stuck myself with your lancet and then chased you around the room with it before stabbing you with it, it still would be Zero HIV risk.

Does that help?

sam12345678 · « **Reply #22 on:** July 13, 2024, 06:25:54 pm »

Thanks Jim. Yes I was wrong before and I admit it and fully believe in your assessment. Thats why I seek
help.
This is not about the lancet. It about fresh small qty blood deposited on the outside part of the bag and my finger resting on it and lancet pushing it into my finger as it was triggered from
insise of the bag.
I know this may not be exact spot on the bag where I triggered the lancet but assuming it it you still feel no risk from the blood on the bag. This is my last post.

Jim Allen · « **Reply #23 on:** July 13, 2024, 06:34:49 pm »

Quote from: Ann on September 04, 2012, 04:52:20 am

Once outside the body, small changes in temperature, and pH and moisture levels all quickly damage the virus and render it unable to infect. For this reason, getting vaginal fluids - even fluids with some blood in them - on your skin or in your eyes is NOT going to put you at risk.

Quote from: sam12345678 on September 03, 2012, 01:16:45 pm

HIV is an incredibly fragile virus that can only be transmitted in certain very specific ways.

It does not remain infectious outside the body.

Jim Allen · « **Reply #24 on:** July 13, 2024, 06:41:45 pm »

If stabbing you with the lacent after chasing you around the room with it after using it myself isn't an HIV risk why would you think the even more indirect concern of blood on the bag and then picking your finger be a risk...

This latest fear you have and the details of it, no matter who had posted it and without taking history into account is already a concern enough to stress considering mental health support to assist with these thoughts. This isn't a judgment, you should consider support and there is nothing wrong with that as far as I am concerned. If I was judging you for some reason, trust me, I am extremely blunt, I don't hold back and you would have known about it without any room for doubt, but I'm not and you asked for an assessment and that is what you got.

Now, if I do take your history into account, you have been warned before and it's been explained how HIV is or is not transmitted including the barriers and that HIV is fragile once exposed outside the confines of the human body.

Your lancet isn't a syringe, it's not a hollow needle, so unlike sharing syringes you are not directly injecting a quantity of blood into the bloodstream that has been short-term stored in what is in essence a vacuum. Touching fluids once exposure outside the confines of the body isn't an HIV risk either and these are just some of the biological and environmental barriers to your fears.

Your concerns essentially lack any of the biological and environmental conditions needed to acquire HIV.

In brief, your adult HIV risks are:

* Sex; Condomless intercourse & a minute (theoretical) HIV risk if you give a blowjob.
* Sharing drugs rigs (Syringes)
* Blood products/ transfusions (Rare nowadays in most nations thanks to screening)

Please do not post again unless you have been having sex without a condom or have been sharing syringes to inject drugs.

You have been warned and this is the last time.

Jim Allen · « **Reply #25 on:** July 13, 2024, 06:55:12 pm »

My apologies for the spelling/grammar in the last post. It's midnight here and it's been a very long day.

sam12345678 · « **Reply #26 on:** July 14, 2024, 04:18:19 am »

There is lot of confusing information on the net which creates these type of fears. Some say it takes seconds, minutes and hours and even weeks.Some say it takes only one virus to infect and some say quanity.We get confused and person like me more. On the net People have got it with needlesticks and blood contacts. So it confuses me.I am a married and have kids and like everyone have commitments and dont want to pass in to my wife. The gov websites are confusing as they say its low risk but still risk. You are the only person who confidently says yes or no so I have come here.
I have asked for help but its very difficult to get as there a long waiting times in UK. Belive me its difficult to even get appointment with a
GP. I have a cyst in lung and its not cancerous but get infections. I am
waiting for more than 8 months to get referred and still nothing. Its difficult for mental health.I have lost my uncle to AIDS and this had created deep fear in me. I am reaching out for help and will do so. I understand HIV treatement is far advanced now but still there is lot of stigma ingrained for the young people growing up in 85-90s.
As you explained lancet is not a risk and I cleaned it before use anyways. My concern was more of the blood on the bag because unlike a lancet blood can remain on the bag. Also time was not in favour for blood to dry. So I was worried that blood on bag would get into my finger because lancet can push it by creating a wound as finger was already placed on the bag.But as you explained HIV cannot live outside the body as its fragile and its zero risk. You blunt and confident answers unlike the net are appreciated and really thankful for that.

leatherman · « **Reply #27 on:** July 14, 2024, 06:01:04 am »

there are two main ways to contract HIV:
through unprotected anal or vaginal sex; or by sharing injection needles.

HIV dies when exposed to temperature or air changes, which means outside of someone's body (unless it's inside an injection needle where it's not exposed to air and shared immediately) you cannot be infected.

You've been told this information multiple times by multiple people. If you continue having these irrational fears about HIV, you really should seek some mental health care to help overcome your phobia with HIV.

Quote from: Jim Allen on July 13, 2024, 06:41:45 pm

Please do not post again unless you have been having sex without a condom or have been sharing syringes to inject drugs.

You have been warned and this is the last time.

Before asking about any other situation ask yourself two easy questions:
Did I have UNPROTECTED anal or vaginal sex with anyone?
Was I shooting up drugs and sharing an injection needle with someone?

If you can say NO to those two questions, you did NOT have a risk for HIV.

sam12345678 · « **Reply #28 on:** July 16, 2024, 03:17:39 pm »

Hi Guys, Sorry to ask stupid question
I did a home test using abott determine early detect. It detects antibody and p24 antigen. This is just technical question pls help. The instruction said use pipete or dropper to put blood on the pad of the test strip. I put my bleeding finger on top of the pad. Just wondering since its also checking p24 antigen its not have hiv right to get infected. Just asking stupid question but pls excuse my ignorance. Its just s technical question.Thanks for your support.

Jim Allen · « **Reply #29 on:** July 16, 2024, 03:59:01 pm »

Why are you testing now and I'm I correctly understanding the concern is if you got HIV from the test?

sam12345678 · « **Reply #30 on:** July 16, 2024, 04:15:08 pm »

Hello Jim
I am just doing routine testing. I got this online. I am just wondering whether the test strip is harmless as instead of using pipete I used blood directly from
my finger to the pad. Its 4th generation which detects p24 antigen and antobodies. I just want to know technicaly what I did was safe beacuse I did not follow the instructions from the manual.

Jim Allen · « **Reply #31 on:** July 16, 2024, 04:17:11 pm »

Quote

I just want to know technicaly what I did was safe beacuse I did not follow the instructions from the manual.

Okay, so what do you think was the danger?

Quote

I put my bleeding finger on top of the pad. Just wondering since its also checking p24 antigen its not have hiv right to get infected.

It sounds to me that you are concerned that you got HIV from the test kit?

sam12345678 · « **Reply #32 on:** July 16, 2024, 04:25:09 pm »

Just a technical question. The rapid test strip which detects p24 and anitbodies does it have complete virus as it detects infection. As per instruction i have to put my blood on the strip pad using a dropper. I put directly on the pad touching my bleeding finger.
Are these test strips have complete virus as these also check antigens, not only antibodies. The manufacturer said use a dropper so I was worried. Its just a question regarding science behind these 4th gen strip which also detect antigens not only antibodies.

Jim Allen · « **Reply #33 on:** July 16, 2024, 04:33:24 pm »

Quote from: sam12345678 on July 16, 2024, 04:25:09 pm

Just a technical question. The rapid test strip which detects p24 and anitbodies does it have complete virus as it detects infection.

So you are worried the test kit contains the complete virus and if it's safe.

Quote

I am just wondering whether the test strip is harmless as instead of using pipete I used blood directly from
my finger to the pad.

Quote

I put my bleeding finger on top of the pad. Just wondering since its also checking p24 antigen its not have hiv right to get infected.

You have not answered my question so far, but you are concerned that you got HIV from the test kit?

Just answer my question and be honest instead of pissing me about as I don't have the patience to play games with you. "technical question" my backside.

Jim Allen · « **Reply #34 on:** July 16, 2024, 04:41:50 pm »

Quote

all forums members must post information which are true and correct to their knowledge.

sam12345678 · « **Reply #35 on:** July 16, 2024, 04:56:53 pm »

I just called the manufacturer and they said test kit has inactivated anitbodies or antigens and ist harmless. I just wanted science behind the test strip
Thanks

Jim Allen · « **Reply #36 on:** July 16, 2024, 05:06:09 pm »

Nonsense, we have been over what is and isn't an HIV risk before with you and hence you are trying to frame this as a "technical" question. I call bullshit.

So a 28-day ban for continued posting about no-HIV risk situations, lying and ignoring mod instructions. I should make it a permanent ban but I'll leave it with 28 days.

As for the test kit, it's essentially a protein used to react to a solution in the test, it's not HIV and the protein binds to HIV antibodies if present in your blood sample, but to be clear even if it was HIV within the test kit, it's not an HIV risk to you and we have explained the why several times to you.

As for routine testing, the HIV home-testing kits, skip them, instead go to a clinic and get a yearly STI screening including HIV. You live in a nation with advanced and no charge healthcare, so no need to mess about.

Jim Allen · « **Reply #37 on:** July 16, 2024, 05:16:01 pm »

Quote from: leatherman on July 14, 2024, 06:01:04 am

You've been told this information multiple times by multiple people. If you continue having these irrational fears about HIV, you really should seek some mental health care to help overcome your phobia with HIV.

I wish you well but Micheal is correct. Seek mental health support, and push for it as risk assessments and test kits will not resolve your issues.

Forums Index

Welcome

Welcome to Do I Have HIV?

Author Topic: Blood Draw at home (Read 27422 times)