Republican comedy hour

[Wade]

is Fox News the only station airing the Republican debate ?

[leatherman]

is Fox News the only station airing the Republican debate ?

yes. because this is the first Fox Republican debate. They will have several future debates aired on CNN; but the next Fox-debate isn't until Feb 2016. In 2016, ABC, CBS and NBC (along with CNN, telemundo and others) will also air several more republican debates

http://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2016-debate-schedule/2016-republican-primary-debate-schedule/

[leatherman]

just saw this about the 6 Democrat debates this year into 2016

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/democrats-schedule-6-primary-debates-starting-october/
https://medium.com/@DWStweets/announcing-the-democratic-debate-schedule-d8e284513221

[tednlou2]

The news media is loving Donald in the race, because he brings in ratings.  I keep waiting for them to look more into things he says, his history, his business history, etc.  It seems they (TV especially) is not wanting to go there just yet.  Maybe after this first debate, they will. 

He says things, that you know he is just pulling out his ass.  He had claimed he had been down to the border, before he went down there 2 weeks ago.   I've read that was a totally lie.  If it is, I didn't hear anyone call him on it.

I have noticed he is reining in his normal style of calling people names and saying ridiculous things.  He is trying to seem more sane.  He wants to look like the big boy, while others on the stage ramp things up and look crazy.  Smart strategy; I will give him that.

[Wade]

Your Right !
Looking forward to watching the 5 star shit show !

[J.R.E.]

I will be popping the popcorn here in about 12 minutes. 


Ray

[GSOgymrat]

Bette Midler tweeted: "Lenny Kravitz's penis slipped out on stage?  So what? Wait for the GOP debate on tonight -there will be 10 dicks on stage!"

[Wade]

Lol ...go Bette !!

[tednlou2]

When Trump was asked about his attacks on women, he said he didn't have time to be politically correct and that it was kidding around with these women.  He then threatened moderator Megyn Kelly with some attacks, because she asked the question. 

She brought up his tweets calling certain women slobs, ugly, fat, etc.  she also mentioned how he told one female Apprentice contestant she would look great on her knees.

[OneTampa]

I will be popping the popcorn here in about 12 minutes. 


Ray

Here you go! Lawd Jeebus!

[Wade]

Last time I saw that Much bad hair was on a baboons ass .

[OneTampa]

Last time I saw that Much bad hair was on a baboons ass .

How dare you! I use Stefon, an Eastend Up Market Stylist!




 

[Wade]

OT .. You never cease to amaze me ...

[tednlou2]

After watching that, I am not worried about 2016. 

[tednlou2]

I watched some MSNBC coverage.  I noticed Maddow was missing.  I know MSNBC recently cancelled several shows.  I read they don't want all the liberal shows and go with more hard news, during the day.  They cancelled all the shows, leading up to Sharpton. 

Does anyone know whether they excluded her from the debate coverage?  She use to anchor all these.  I suppose it is possible she had a conflict and couldn't travel to Cleveland.

[Almost2late]

My God that was so scary... now I won't be able to fall asleep

[bocker3]

After watching that, I am not worried about 2016.

Statements like this are what really worry me about 2016.  So many people think that the Dems are going to have a cakewalk to the White House that it could well lead to complacency and complacency leads to low turnout.  Low turnout leads to Republican in the White House.

One should always be "worried" about an election -- in this day, ANYTHING, can happen.  Who would have thought Bush would be reelected in the midst of an unpopular war?  Eric Cantor and his supporters were not worried about his last election -- where is he now??

While it is very early, Hillary keeps slipping in the polls here in VA.

Mike

[leatherman]

Does anyone know whether they excluded her from the debate coverage?  She use to anchor all these.  I suppose it is possible she had a conflict and couldn't travel to Cleveland.

she stayed with her own show last night and talked about the early debate with all the R's they wouldn't let play in the big debate.

[Wade]

Morning Joe is having an interesting show today,
He usually annoys me but generally has a good mixed panel of guests.

[tednlou2]

Statements like this are what really worry me about 2016.  So many people think that the Dems are going to have a cakewalk to the White House that it could well lead to complacency and complacency leads to low turnout.  Low turnout leads to Republican in the White House.

One should always be "worried" about an election -- in this day, ANYTHING, can happen.  Who would have thought Bush would be reelected in the midst of an unpopular war?  Eric Cantor and his supporters were not worried about his last election -- where is he now??

While it is very early, Hillary keeps slipping in the polls here in VA.

Mike

I was really being sarcastic, about how bad they all were.  I will definitely worry.  It scares the hell out of me that any of them would be president.  Well, Governor Kasich seemed like a decent man.  I don't know much about his policies, but he doesn't seem like a nut.  I would be interested to hear what Wolfie thinks about his governor.

I do think that unless something really big is proved (PROVED) about Hillary, it will be hard to beat her.  Bill had trust issues.  In 92 and 96, Bush Sr and Dole lead trust by good margins.  But, you're right.  You can never take the election for granted. 

[tednlou2]

Morning Joe is having an interesting show today,
He usually annoys me but generally has a good mixed panel of guests.

I felt Joe and others on his show were way too easy on Trump, this morning.  They did not challenge him.  The only reason I can think is they want him to continue to be a guest for ratings. 

[J.R.E.]

Fact checking statements made last night :


CLEVELAND (AP) --

Republicans seeking their party's 2016 presidential nomination have the challenging task of trying to stand out among the 17 candidates in the race, and Thursday's televised debate was the first opportunity for the party to start whittling down its choices.

So it's no surprise that the candidates had a vested interest in puffing up their own records as governors, senators and public figures. And some of them just got the facts wrong.

   
Some of the claims in the Cleveland debate and how they compare with the facts:

DONALD TRUMP: "If it weren't for me, you wouldn't even be talking about illegal immigration."



THE FACTS: Republicans have been talking about immigration for at least 30 years, including former President George W. Bush and the Republican field in the 2008 and 2012 presidential elections. In 2013, an immigration overhaul seeking to address illegal immigration passed the Senate with strong Republican support, although the House never took it up. And Republican debate about immigration has only intensified in the wake of President Barack Obama's sweeping executive action shielding from deportation millions of immigrants in the U.S. illegally.

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JEB BUSH, on his goal of 4 percent economic growth: "We can do this."



THE FACTS: Most economists say the U.S. under any president is unlikely to grow consistently at even close to 4 percent, largely due to the difficulty of overcoming decades-long trends.

Current forecasts put growth averaging half the rate of Bush's goal. To grow the economy faster, the country must either add more workers or increase their efficiency so their time on the job generates more income. The retirement of the baby boom generation will shrink the number of workers in the economy, making a huge increase of new employees unlikely.

Only four of the 16 presidential terms since World War II have experienced annual economic growth averaging more than 4 percent after inflation, according to research published last year by Princeton University economists Alan Blinder and Mark Watson.

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BUSH: "You get rid of Obamacare and replace it with something that doesn't suppress wages and kill jobs."


THE FACTS: According to the Labor Department, the unemployment rate was 9.9 percent in March 2010, when Obama signed the Affordable Care Act. In June of this year, it had fallen to 5.3 percent. The economy has added more than 12 million jobs since March 2010.

While the health care law doesn't seem to have had a major impact on jobs, some lesser consequences are likely. The Congressional Budget Office projected that having government subsidized health insurance will prompt some people to leave the labor market, since they can get coverage without a job.

And although Republicans may be able to repeal Obama's law, it's unclear if and how they would replace it. The party has yet to rally behind a plan of its own, partly because of internal ideological differences. Some Republicans say it would be the 2016 presidential nominee's job to forge a consensus.

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TRUMP: "We're giving them (Iran) $150 billion plus" in sanctions relief under the nuclear deal.


THE FACTS: That might be an exaggeration.

Treasury Secretary Jacob Lew has said Iran has $100 billion in foreign reserves that it's been unable to access. After sanctions relief, Treasury estimates that Iran will be able to freely access about half of that $100 billion. He said more than $20 billion is inaccessible because it is committed to projects with China and tens of billions of other restricted funds are in non-performing loans to Iran's energy and banking sector.

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CHRIS CHRISTIE: "We brought the budget into balance with no tax increases."



THE FACTS: Not exactly.

As New Jersey's governor, Christie in his first term cut the earned income tax credit, which largely benefits low-income workers, from 25 percent of the federal credit to 20 percent. He surprised Democrats this summer by proposing to bring it up to 30 percent. Democrats quickly approved the change.

Christie also repeatedly delayed implementing the Homestead credit program, which grants property tax relief, even as he capped property tax increases overall. He also extended the sales tax on online purchases to out-of-state retailers and pushed for higher taxes on e-cigarettes, but failed.

So while Christie indeed vetoed a number of proposed tax increases, his record isn't free of hikes in taxes or their close cousin: fees.

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TRUMP: "I built a net worth of more than $10 billion."



THE FACTS: Trump's precise net worth has long been a moving target.

Documents filed with the Federal Election Commission put Trump's wealth at $8.7 billion. But the form requires disclosures of value ranges, not precise sums. The FEC also doesn't specify how to value real estate, leaving Trump free to assess many of his proprieties in the highest bracket - over $50 million.

Trump argues many of his properties are worth even more, a claim that cannot be verified without access to his private documents. He's valued his personal brand and marketing deals at $3.3 billion.

Yet other assessments put his wealth at far less. Forbes Magazine valued his brand at just $125 million, and last month, Bloomberg News estimated his total worth at $2.9 billion.

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BUSH: "During my eight years in office, 1.3 million jobs were created, and we left the state better off."



FACT CHECK: Yes, but by December 2009, 900,000 of those 1.3 million jobs had been eliminated.

During Bush's tenure as governor, the state benefited from a huge housing bubble that then burst just as he left the governor's mansion. Home prices jumped 160 percent in Florida from 1999 through 2006 - more than double the national increase of 74 percent -according to real estate data provider Zillow.

That growth fueled a 50 percent jump in construction jobs, and the boost to home values made many Floridians feel wealthier, leading them to spend more. Home prices started to fall in 2006, Bush's last year in office.

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BEN CARSON: "Our Navy is at its smallest size since 1970, our Air Force since 1940."



THE FACTS: Actually, the U.S. Air Force was created in 1947. Established initially as the Aeronautical Division of the U.S. Army Signal Corps in 1907, the force went through a number of iterations before becoming a full-fledged branch of the military equal to the Army and the Navy in the wake of World War II.

A dearth of reliable public data makes it difficult to examine Carson's broader argument that the military's capacity is smaller now than in 1940. But it's true that the number of U.S. military aircraft has diminished in recent decades.