Author Topic: Cure for AIDS (Read 56728 times)

FrederickGNP+USA · « **on:** March 25, 2009, 10:13:55 am »

Hi Poz Community,

My name is Frederick and I googled today Cure for AIDS and found a video of a group of men that made statements that our Government has a Cure for AIDS. Well at first I thought fascinating for one of my Priest would say their is a truth in all Myths.

I listen to the Verdi with an objective mind and was wondering is their is any truth to the Dr. statement about our U.S government experimenting in Africa and in the White Gay Community in 1977 with HIV.

I also found it interesting the the Cancer Advocates are making a campaign to find a Cure for Cancer and recieved the buy in from our President, however for some reason the AIDS community can not talk about a Cure for AIDS or put in in the Denver Principles. Do we as people have a right for a Cure for AIDS. Is their a Cure for AIDS? Why do the leaders in AIDS INC in America the professional AIDS people not support a Campaign for a Cure for AIDS with , zeal, direction, and outcomes for a Cure for AIDS, like the Cancer Advocate are doing?

I also was wondering why the press and our government is no addressing the clams of this video called A Cure for AIDS. check it out fasinating.. is it true? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8567399552051355527

Frederick Wright
GNP+USA

FrederickGNP+USA · « **Reply #1 on:** March 25, 2009, 10:37:39 am »

Hi Poz Community,

My name is Frederick and I googled today Cure for AIDS and found a video of a group of men that made statements that our Government has a Cure for AIDS. Well at first I thought fascinating for one of my Priest would say their is a truth in all Myths.

I listened to the Video with an objective mind and was wondering is their is any truth to this Dr.'s statements about our U.S government experimenting in Africa and in the White Gay Community in 1977 with HIV and then patent a cure. One of my US Doctors who is now the President of the AIDS Institute speaks of the same conclusions that experiments with Hep B,HepC and POLOI vaccines in the Gay Community and in Africa could of cause the two parallel HIV epidemics at the same time, well he states it could of been causes by the polio vaccine experiments too due, to metal needles and no universal rules protection on injection at the time. Hum.... fascinating the President of The AIDS Institute in Washington D.C has the same thought pattern as the video link below.. Hum makes on think....

I also found it interesting the the Cancer Advocates are making a campaign to find a Cure for Cancer and received the buy in from our President, however for some reason the AIDS community can not talk about a Cure for AIDS or put in in the Denver Principles. Do we as people have a right for a Cure for AIDS. Is their a Cure for AIDS? Why do the leaders in AIDS INC in America the professional AIDS people not support a Campaign for a Cure for AIDS with , zeal, direction, and outcomes for a Cure for AIDS, like the Cancer Advocate are doing?

I also was wondering why the press and our government is no addressing the claims of this video called Cure for AIDS patent #. check it out fascinating.. is it true? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8567399552051355527

Frederick Wright
GNP+USA

komnaes · « **Reply #2 on:** March 25, 2009, 10:38:42 am »

Why, if I post a video on how I have landed in Jupitar while doing transcendental meditation and met with the leaders of a superior race that lives there and bring with me a message that eating milk and bread can kill you I can expect Larry King to interview me and NY Times doing a feature on me?

Ann · « **Reply #3 on:** March 25, 2009, 10:59:00 am »

Fred,

I merged your two (nearly) identical threads into one thread in one forum. Please stop posting threads about the same subjects in more than one forum. One thread will suffice. Having more than one makes for a confused and disjointed discussion.

Thank you for your cooperation.

Ann

Miss Philicia · « **Reply #4 on:** March 25, 2009, 11:03:40 am »

FrederickGNP+USA · « **Reply #5 on:** March 25, 2009, 11:25:25 am »

Fascinating.. for the censor ship and the lack of disscuss is most fascinating pretain to a Cure..Miss Ann what is your Fear.. loosing your power in this web page ... Love is patient, kind, doesn't envey, rejoces in the turth, dosn't delite in meaness.. or censorship, and hopes, and yes endures for ever... Most fasinating... again the hoplessness not to speak of a Cure for AIDS... Why did you not merge it into this thread.. hummm most fascinating..

Miss Philicia · « **Reply #6 on:** March 25, 2009, 11:36:57 am »

Frederick, I don't think anyone is censoring you. Posting copy/paste all over the forum is like spamming, and that's frowned upon.

Otherwise your description of the video makes it sound like yet another tiresome, boring conspiracy about the US government so no, I'm not going to waste my morning clicking on it.

komnaes · « **Reply #7 on:** March 25, 2009, 11:39:31 am »

joemutt · « **Reply #8 on:** March 25, 2009, 11:49:19 am »

Eldon redux ?

bear60 · « **Reply #9 on:** March 25, 2009, 11:50:29 am »

Ah the "good old days"...of Eldon.

Ann · « **Reply #10 on:** March 25, 2009, 12:33:38 pm »

Frederick,

I had a (very quick) look at the video. As soon as I saw it was Boyd Graves, I realised that you obviously hadn't heard that this guy had been debunked a few years ago. This guy belongs to the "tinfoil hat" brigade.

No way does anything about Boyd Graves belong in our Activism forum - or the Research forum, for that matter.

Ann

FrederickGNP+USA · « **Reply #11 on:** March 25, 2009, 01:05:20 pm »

Ann,

Who debunk him.. Big Pharma... President Bush.. who... may ask, what is you opinon of a Cure for AIDS? Do you have HOPE that it is going to be unveiled and When?... For our Leader at NIH stated it will that 20 years for a Cure.. Where did he get his knowledge of the future. Where is his Zeal. For I know many that think if we focus on a cure it could happen a lot faster and many are Dr too. I know the 30 million that don't have much hope are hoping for someone in the Activist Community to bring the focus for a Cure for AIDS soon, for it is life or death for them.

Peace and thank you for you opinion,

Frederick

RapidRod · « **Reply #12 on:** March 25, 2009, 01:09:15 pm »

There is a difference between, Good activism and Trolling.

FrederickGNP+USA · « **Reply #13 on:** March 25, 2009, 01:11:31 pm »

Benny,

One has to love your humor.. now don't forget to take you psych meds.. but be carful for Sharquilll that is being presriped by some of the Pysic Doctors for it is showing in studies to cause diabetes and you may want to check into changing you scrip for bi-polar meds.

FYI...

Ann · « **Reply #14 on:** March 25, 2009, 01:13:59 pm »

Frederick,

Just about anybody who knows anything about hiv (scientists and doctors) dubunked Boyd Graves. He's a conspiracy theorist.

I don't worry much about a cure. I know that there are bright people working on it, but the virus mutates too easily and is far more complex than we currently understand. If it happens in my livetime, great. If not, I know the drugs are at least improving all the time. I'm of the same opinion where a vaccine is concerned.

I tend to focus more on prevention education myself. It might be too late for me, but it's not too late for everyone.

Ann

Ann · « **Reply #15 on:** March 25, 2009, 01:14:45 pm »

Benny? Who's Benny?

FrederickGNP+USA · « **Reply #16 on:** March 25, 2009, 01:17:32 pm »

Rob,

Your words do not hurt me, however you dog is cute.. and thank you for your opinion for it shows your intelligent and critical thinking level, but it is all good for we are differnet in that fashion.

Peace and love to you,

Frederick a man of honor , intergety and truth.. key word being Man

FrederickGNP+USA · « **Reply #17 on:** March 25, 2009, 01:23:23 pm »

Ann ,

Benny the Ball,

I understand Ann you are a moderator and not an Activist.. it is all good... I don't put my faith in the people that are doing good works for a Cure, because it is clear that know one is focuing on it with Zeal, Passion are as an Emergency focus, however I see a add on the TV from Cancer folks every day that are Focus on a Cure for Cancer and have Billion of buy-in from Government.. Whats up with that? I keep doing my works and you keep doing yours,

Peace,

Frederick

Ann · « **Reply #18 on:** March 25, 2009, 01:24:26 pm »

Rodney, Frederick, do NOT turn this thread into a flame war or you'll both be given time outs.

Please consider yourselves warned.

Ann

Ann · « **Reply #19 on:** March 25, 2009, 01:26:58 pm »

So I'm not to be considered an activist, depite being active in my community in hiv prevention, (appearing on both TV and radio), and working seven days a week on this website? OK, whatever.

Ann

FrederickGNP+USA · « **Reply #20 on:** March 25, 2009, 01:28:22 pm »

OK Ann,

I will not reponsed any more to mean words directed at me.. for I like to be kind and truthful in my communications. For I don't want the Poz gang jumping all over me and beating me out of the commuity.

FrederickGNP+USA · « **Reply #21 on:** March 25, 2009, 01:34:44 pm »

Ann,

I am happy for your accomplishments.. do you get paid from this Pharm funded Profit Group call Poz Magazine.. if not you need to get a piece of the pie.. for I read the owners sold the Magizine last year and made a get profit. I call that in my Activist works AIDS Inc in America.. it is all good for I think folks need to earn a living and when one is a Paid Activist it make one think, what is the motives and direction, at least this one thinks that way for AIDS is big business and hope you get paid something.

Peace

Frederick

joemutt · « **Reply #22 on:** March 26, 2009, 12:58:05 am »

F GNP+USA could you stop the passive agressve game, first insinuating this web and the mods would somehow not be bona fide and then ending with "Peace",which sounds very dishonest and unmeant.

If you think aidsmeds does something not correctly/have a hidden agenda, as you imply continuously then the burden of proof lies with you, if you think you know a cure for aids as your topic title states then the same: prove it.

Also what are your activist credentials, what are you doing with Zeal, Passion and "Emergency" (? Urgency), how do you address the Boyd Graves issue, what have you done for aids or a cure, apart from throwing around a few unsubstantiated accusations here? Pray tell.

FrederickGNP+USA · « **Reply #23 on:** March 26, 2009, 07:30:09 am »

Hii Friend

I am not sure who you are, but thank you for your manly courage to give your opinion. I would like to wish all a Happy Easter for I am taking Holy Days until this most wonerful Holiday of a new season. I will be in prayer for the 30 million HIV people on our Global that do not have a voice for them to recieve their Cure for AIDS and hope many will bring their voice together for the 30 million people left out of the adgenda.

http://www.forwardmovement.org/todaysreading.cfm

Peace and Love....lots and lots of LOVE

Frederick

P.S and praying for Rupper Land in my Community of Faith today

sharkdiver · « **Reply #24 on:** March 26, 2009, 10:30:27 am »

I'm sorry....WHat?

Denver Toad · « **Reply #25 on:** March 26, 2009, 11:17:33 am »

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and praying for Rupper Land in my Community of Faith today

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Ummmm, isn't Ruperland an imaginary place in the game "Legend of Zelda"?

Merlin · « **Reply #26 on:** March 26, 2009, 01:09:36 pm »

Hey Ann, I thiink I found the Cure for this madness....LOCKUP this thread.

I enjoy all possibilities & theories about HIV, but clearly, this F+G+U fella is not as simple as he seems. I can smell a toasted rat somewhere marinated with fishy sauce. Come to think of it, I'm getting hungry.

Enough is enough.

mecch · « **Reply #27 on:** March 26, 2009, 03:49:56 pm »

Conspiracy theories are interesting and make us think - if they are any good!! They have value but must be named and considered for what they are.

Aids INC isn't the stupidest critique, either. But there are ways to express this.

No need to insult each other, especially when a screw is loose.

1) Today there was a crazy guy on the train platform, singing so loudly, and badly, in English (a French city) to his iPod. He was dancing and laughing and playing the crowd. Sometimes he took off his earphones and welcomed everyone to the platform with a genuine, broad smile and real warmth. The train was over 30 minutes late. We were all captive. Nobody criticised him and you had to crack a smile because actually he communicated in some nonsence way something meaningful and valuable.

2) In the 70's in Woodstock NY there was boutique called "Rena from Zena". When you entered the shop, a scraggly weird Rena would say "Do not enter unless you are aware!" I garantee that made everyone think for at least a moment what awarness was for them. I was just a kid but thought she was groovy. By the way, I figured Zena was some other universe or reality or something. Only years later did it dawn on me that Zena was just a small town a bit outside of Woodstock..

komnaes · « **Reply #28 on:** March 27, 2009, 12:10:19 am »

Quote from: mecch on March 26, 2009, 03:49:56 pm

1) Today there was a crazy guy on the train platform, singing so loudly, and badly, in English (a French city) to his iPod. He was dancing and laughing and playing the crowd. Sometimes he took off his earphones and welcomed everyone to the platform with a genuine, broad smile and real warmth. The train was over 30 minutes late. We were all captive. Nobody criticised him and you had to crack a smile because actually he communicated in some nonsence way something meaningful and valuable.

You sure the guy is crazy?

red_Dragon888 · « **Reply #29 on:** March 27, 2009, 02:59:58 pm »

Thanks for the information. I hope it is true and if it is not true then I hope that the governments are trying to find a cure for Aids.

Ann · « **Reply #30 on:** March 27, 2009, 04:18:45 pm »

Quote from: red_Dragon888 on March 27, 2009, 02:59:58 pm

Thanks for the information. I hope it is true and if it is not true then I hope that the governments are trying to find a cure for Aids.

Red,

Did you not read any posts other than the first one? Boyd Graves is a nutcase conspiracy theorist and his theories are bunkum, hogwash, loadacrap.

There are scientists the world over looking for a cure, but as hiv is a very complex virus, don't hold your breath for a major breakthrough any time soon.

Ann

odyssey · « **Reply #31 on:** March 29, 2009, 03:45:20 pm »

Has anyone else noticed that the OP has +USA in his/her screename, but talks like a Nigerian scammer? Anyone get private messages trying to sell stuff? I'm thinking this might be another scammer at work. Calling people "friend" and then insulting them when they don't agree. Seems a bit hinky to me. Just an observation.

newt · « **Reply #32 on:** March 29, 2009, 04:00:10 pm »

Boyd Graves wrote in the millenium year “THE WORLD WAR WITH THE AIDS WEAPON CONTINUES TO RAGE. ONLY KNOWLEDGE AND TRUTH WILL DEFEAT IT.”

ie the virus is a created weapon and the cure is hidin' in a government vault somewhere...

damn!

Yes, the truth is out there but it's more prosaic, since the plague and malaria, diseases have crossed from animals to humans, it's called, erm, biology.

So, what Annnnnn said about complexity and a long time. It's tempting to believe, comforting even, but in the end the virus, biology, they don't care about your beliefs.

- mattt (2 damns for some reason) the newt

Miss Philicia · « **Reply #33 on:** March 29, 2009, 04:44:56 pm »

Quote from: odyssey on March 29, 2009, 03:45:20 pm

Has anyone else noticed that the OP has +USA in his/her screename, but talks like a Nigerian scammer? Anyone get private messages trying to sell stuff? I'm thinking this might be another scammer at work. Calling people "friend" and then insulting them when they don't agree. Seems a bit hinky to me. Just an observation.

If he/she (or anyone) is sending you unsolicited PM's in an attempt to sell you things you should always copy/paste this to one of our moderators and let them take care of the problem. This should not be occurring.

Ann · « **Reply #34 on:** March 29, 2009, 06:55:28 pm »

Quote from: Miss Philicia on March 29, 2009, 04:44:56 pm

If he/she (or anyone) is sending you unsolicited PM's in an attempt to sell you things you should always copy/paste this to one of our moderators and let them take care of the problem. This should not be occurring.

Or you could just hit the "report to admin" button that appears beneath any PM you get. We get a report that shows us the PM you object to, along with your own comments as to why you object.

Ann

clsoca · « **Reply #35 on:** March 29, 2009, 09:32:11 pm »

This is a commonsense issure. If a cure for HIV was so easely attainable, the broad public would become aware of it. This would not be something easy to hide beacuse every faimily either knows someone or has a family member with HIV. A secrete of this magnatude would be imposible to hide.

odyssey · « **Reply #36 on:** April 01, 2009, 11:46:48 pm »

Sorry if my question was unclear, I haven't gotten any PMs from the OP, I was just wondering if this person was more interested in promoting a product and/or agenda than really participating in our forum, thus, my question. Again, sorry if I was unclear. And yes, if I do get a PM that is objectionable or spammish, I'll gladly report it!

proud40 · « **Reply #37 on:** April 02, 2009, 02:51:42 am »

It is incredible how most of us Americans have a natural tendency to buy anything someone's trying to sell. I say this on behalf of either side of the fence; on one side the ones who buy the idea that HIV is one of humanity's biggest conspiracies, and on the other side the ones who buy the idea that HIV is of total natural origin, and as the system puts it, and has been teaching us, we should learn now to , "live with HIV", as another chronical illness with which we must comply and abide by its terms, otherwise we die.
Means of controlling masses.
If humanity cannot be controlled by fear of hell in religion anymore, nor political/governmental empires, they had to come up with something, aaahhhh...how about incurable diseases, spread through the most intimate contact between humans, SEX??. Excellent idea!!!.
The reality, is that they have everything out of control now.
Paradojical?, Of course.

Elephant · « **Reply #38 on:** April 02, 2009, 12:49:18 pm »

I was just diagnosed. I came to this site for encouragement.

FrederickGNP you are passive aggressive and you scare me. I don't know what you are trying to accomplish but it isn't helping... Are you even HIV+ yourself?

It's great if you have your beliefs but I'm pretty sure what people are looking for is support, not this.

midland moe · « **Reply #39 on:** April 08, 2009, 06:02:37 am »

isnt the "patented cure" mentioned in the video some sort of collodial silver treatment?

IV collodial silver though I havent ever heard of that...

FrederickGNP+USA · « **Reply #40 on:** April 14, 2009, 12:55:02 pm »

Fascinating...in the communication within this forum.

Mr Elephant I am sorry the conversation is bring fear to you for my hopes were to post this in the Ativist forum for the AIDS professionals and AIDS Inc to start campaign to focus on a Cure for AIDS... like the cancer people are doing, which by the way cancer is very complex illiness but the Cancer Advocates have a ZEAL and Passsion for a Cure.

Mr Elephant if you are in the USA or UK then thank God for both these countries have moblized to bring forth Chrishtian Charities to HIV folks with cutting edge treatment and you will be find and I Thank God for the Activistism of the past for these Treatment.

My Adganda is for HIV and AIDS people that are getting meds, food, housing and a chance for life will see that 30 million other people with HIV have no hope or excess to meds and for us to united for a Cured for AIDS what ever that man be , drugs or what ever. So Mr. Elphant again I hope you get past your fear and thank God your are not in a country that just lets HIV people sit on the road and roit or like some of the Islimic countries that deport HIV people back to their home land to die.

Miss Philicia · « **Reply #41 on:** April 14, 2009, 01:00:37 pm »

Are you HIV+ Frederick?

FrederickGNP+USA · « **Reply #42 on:** April 14, 2009, 01:03:02 pm »

The fear I believe is not one group in AID INC can ask or call for A Cure for AIDS...

Is that because AIDS is big business? or Just a lack of fearless leadership?

USA spends 18 billlion USA dollars A year on AIDS related Charity in Isa's local communities
USA spends 9 billion a year on AIDS related Charity Globally

I think a cure for AIDS could say a lot of lives an USA Money and What do the HIV people think about a Cure for AIDS.

Basquo · « **Reply #43 on:** April 14, 2009, 01:04:08 pm »

Quote from: FrederickGNP+USA on April 14, 2009, 12:55:02 pm

Mr Elephant if you are in the USA or UK then thank God for both these countries have moblized to bring forth Chrishtian Charities to HIV folks with cutting edge treatment

What in the hell are you talking about? Please name some Christian charities that bring cutting edge treatment to people with HIV and are mobilized by the US govenment.

FrederickGNP+USA · « **Reply #44 on:** April 14, 2009, 01:21:08 pm »

Hi Frederick .. here nice to meet you

Dude.. look at your history most all the hospital are form from Christian Ethics and Universities.. Charity is a Christian word meaning Love.. patient, kindness, etc.. google Christian Charity. A llot of the educated scientist were taught to read and right in Chathilic Christian Schools some I sure right here... Where have you been MCC gay Chistian Christian helped bring forth Activist in the Gay Community.. The Black Church is all the black communities has for hope. 90 percent of all NGO in Global AIDS funding our Christiian.. on the USA Dollar in GOD we trust.

Dude where have you been...

FrederickGNP+USA · « **Reply #45 on:** April 14, 2009, 01:32:17 pm »

Missy Love,

Hi how are you? I am HiV positive .. 20 years now and have been blessed with good health to only have to talk Atripa.. some in PHARMA say maybe meds are the Cure for AID.. and right now tring to finish my Bachlors Degree in Information Technology .. truly blessed each day and Thank God.

My adgenda is to get a Cure for AIDS on the radar .. and for the 30 million humansbeings (not Animals) to have the same blessing as have in staying alive. I am passive at times and agressive at times for I am human.

I get very agressive when government, AIDS professional that make excusses not to keep pushing for a Cure for AIDS for you see sometimes I hear the cries of the 30 million .. woman , children and men that don't have excess to AIDS MEDS on our Globe, and hit a nerve that makes me very argessive. I been around for some time and have many faces burned into my memory of what AIDS can do without MEDS and it is very fearful, hence thankful for the Meds. So the passive agressive comment doesn't bother me for I think that is being human. Missy when are we getting together for a party.MUMMM

Basquo · « **Reply #46 on:** April 14, 2009, 01:40:07 pm »

Well, as a matter of fact I was at MCC on Easter Sunday and I can guaran-goddam-tee that the US govenment is not mobilizing MCC nor is MCC bringing cutting edge treatment to people with HIV. MCC ministers but is not the first thing that comes to mind when I think "HIV Activist" or even "Gay Activist."

Christian charities and Christian universities are two entirely different things in this country so don't even try to set that argument up. What is "NGO" anyway? And the "The Black Church is all the black communities has for hope"?? Why don't you try googling "racism"?

FrederickGNP+USA · « **Reply #47 on:** April 14, 2009, 01:51:12 pm »

BASQUO,

Maybe I need to put it this way for you to understand where I am coming from I am not adressing Religion, but people that form to help one's nieghbors (Christdom)that believe in the teaching of Jesus Christ where his message of Love or the Good News for ALL of Iserial.. ( which I believe he ment All God's people.. gay, black, white, jew, greek no more, just all) The term Charity or Love I believe has been basterist to mean a handout but I believe true Charity or LOVE means being patient , kind , doesn't envey, doesn't boast, rejoices in the turth, doesn't judge, forgives,hopes. yes hopes, and endurdes forever... It is part of my faith with hope to learn and be more loving each day. So I forgive the Religious Folks for they do not know love as of yet and may God forgive them,and that my God of the Chritian Chruch and teachings of Christ pretaining to true LOVE works for me. I hope this helps you understand my point bettter Basquo.

Peace and Lots of Love to you and yours today.

P.S Do a little surval for yourself and ask the folks connected with NON-Profits this Question .. What is your Faith and What is your Faith In. NGO is a Global term for Non Government Orgainization .. like USA term Non Profit or ABBOT or AIDS MEDS .com

FrederickGNP+USA · « **Reply #48 on:** April 14, 2009, 01:55:37 pm »

BASQUO,

Are you HIV? and how Long?

What is your Faith and do you believe in Love and what does love mean to you?

Peace and again lots of Love

Basquo · « **Reply #49 on:** April 14, 2009, 02:18:39 pm »

Fred, you have to understand that in these forums, when someone makes a blanket statement such as you have done many times, we call them on it. And then when you go back and change the definitions to suit your need, it raises more flags. For example you said the thing about "Christian Charities" and when I asked you which ones you came back with "I meant Christian without Religion and Charity means Love." Well, exactly how is your faith in Christ organized by the US government to provide cutting edge treatment? Do you see where I'm going with this? You make a statement, someone asks you to clarify and you change your statement.

I surely believe in love and I have plenty of love for everyone, but I have little patience for people who dance around the questions asked and then tell me to go ask my local non-profit what I already know. The local ASO does benefit from local churches but it's a small portion of its revenue and it certainly wasn't founded by any church.

You ask "What do HIV People think about a cure?" and it makes us wonder if you are indeed positive yourself. Thank you for clarifying that. I am positive or I wouldn't be posting in the "Living With HIV" forum. I've been poz for 10.5 years.

FrederickGNP+USA · « **Reply #50 on:** April 14, 2009, 02:38:29 pm »

Basquo,

By the way it is Frederick and I understand your pain cause by some in Religion and I did not dance around your question and I think you will find that 98 percent of all American ASO where fromed from a passion for Love and Charity and the Teaching of Chirst for this country still empoly the base of our laws , ethics and teaching on Christian in spirit sorry to burst your bubble for that is a fact to me. I am hoping you will understand my concept of the Christian Chruch is not about denominations or Religious Folks, and I do understand you sexuclary veiwpoints. Are you a recoving Roman Chatholic and did your education come from this Christ Instiution for you write very well and look latin. Do you believe in the Marriage of Gay Folks? And my friend what is your concept of marriage and where do your think the term can from? I am under the understand that all are welcome in this forum and hope that racism is not part of your adgenda for it would be ashame for folks that wan't to be accepted for their belief and life, not to accept other, for that is racism in my book. I like to ask for forgivness from you if my Christian bothers or Sisters have hurt you in the past, please forgive us for again we are only human.

Peace and lot s of Love.

FrederickGNP+USA · « **Reply #51 on:** April 14, 2009, 03:12:59 pm »

BASQUO

You are funny concerning the statment you are wondering if I am HIV positive for I am very open about my HIV statue for I tell whom I wish and some don't need know for I like my privicy don't you? This also statment of yours also open to the door to discuss something that fascinates me concerning a concept of HIV Rapid Screening Kits for sale over the counter (OTC) to the public at large and wouldn't it be cool to go to CVS and get a HIV screening kit over the counter like a pregence test and them we could to meet up and I could prove it to you with out going throuht a lot of red tape from governments and ASO. You know the CDC thinks that 250,000 people are walking around HIV positive and have no idea that they are positive and I don't know how educated you are BASQUO about pass CDC numbers ,but you can almost be assured they are way off the mark and I think more like a half million are walking around HIV with no clue, with 10 percent being in the VA system.

What do you think about HIV rapid scrreening kits being sold over the counter in CVS, BASQUO?

Basquo · « **Reply #52 on:** April 14, 2009, 03:28:20 pm »

Frederick, I think I might be starting to understand what you're saying right now, but it doesn't change the fact that you say one thing and explaining it in a totally different way. I don't live in a bubble. And I don't mean to burst yours, but if you think you've got me figured out then you're pretty wrong. I am a Christian, am not nor ever was Catholic, believe in civil marraige equality for all but leave it up to denominations to decide what their idea of marraige should be.

And as you are trying to figure me out, I am trying to figure you out. I understand the difference between Christian Charity in spirit and Christian Charity in organized religion. I think it would be a fair statement to say that 100% of American ASOs were formed from a passion for Love and Charity, but to say that they were inspired by teachings of Christ (which I can agree with somewhat) is way different from saying

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if you are in the USA or UK then thank God for both these countries have moblized to bring forth Chrishtian Charities to HIV folks with cutting edge treatment

I am the HIPAA Privacy Officer for my hospital and I surely respect anyone's privacy, but once you've outed yourself here, you're out. Thank you for clarifying that you are indeed HIV positive. Otherwise, you would have been asked to refrain from posting in this particular forum.

I think it's fantastic that CVS sells antibody screening kits but I wasn't aware that they were rapid tests. I don't need to see your results to believe you are poz, I will take your word for it since you finally clarified it at Miss Philicia's request.

Thanks for reading.

FrederickGNP+USA · « **Reply #53 on:** April 14, 2009, 03:44:50 pm »

BASQUO

Yes I undersatnd the territory issues here in this forum and thank you for your cleaification of communication for we are both Lovers of Jesus. BASQUO I am not afraid of being out with HIV or my faith.

CVS doesn't have rapit HIV testing OTC for some reason Over the Counter Rapid Testing is not avaiable for sale over the counter. Wow HIPPA person that open the door for debate of the most unuseful law ever made in my opion, what a mistake to enact HIPPA for I believe it took all of the person reationship and trust from the health provider and patient to an end and has caused more death and heartach and open in the future it is reformed with hopes to restore trust and faith in a professional healthcare system.

Again BASQUO I am not afraid of my HIV status or being full of fear in the confidedentality conversation for it is very unhealthie in my opinon ( live that way for the first 10 years .. over it).. for my faith tells me, fear is not from God. I am happy to hear you come out in your Christian Faith.. all is good..

I need to move on with my works and again nice to meet you BASQUO and if you get to Tampa Florida come stay at my house and I show you the town... bring Missy and we have a party.... by the swimming pool and have a few cock tails and some Florida Grown Sticky Green Bud. Puff Puff

Peace

FrederickGNP+USA · « **Reply #54 on:** April 14, 2009, 03:49:09 pm »

BASQUO

By that way I don't understand why some post have purpule boxes i.. however very nice color for some think purple is a color of Royalty and other think it is a color of change.

Any way peace out..

FrederickGNP+USA · « **Reply #55 on:** April 15, 2009, 09:02:07 am »

HOW ABOUT POZ.COM AND AIDSMED.COM CALLING FOR

A CURE FOR AIDS TODAY

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GNP+USA WILL SIGN ON TO THAT CALL

WHAT DO YOU POZ FOLKS THINK OF CALLING FOR A CURE FOR AIDS TO OUR LEADERS IN THE AIDS PROFESSION AND WORLD GOVERNMENTS STARTING WITH THE USA?

FrederickGNP+USA · « **Reply #56 on:** April 15, 2009, 10:19:32 am »

Waiting for an answer Poz.com and AIDSMED.com to my question, don't mean to be pushie , just a simple ASK

And if it is a no, for remember no answer is a no, what are people afraid of in the concept of creating a campaign for a "Cure for AIDS"?

I will continue to pray and be patient for some leaders with courage to come forth with zeal and passion for a campaign for a CURE FOR AIDS with results to include the 30 million people (children, women, and men) with HIV that don't have excess to MEDs.

Peace

Ann · « **Reply #57 on:** April 15, 2009, 10:25:46 am »

Frederick,

Sorry, but I just can't take you seriously when you're still posting about a cure in a thread headed up by a video featuring Boyd Graves.

Coming here and trying to bully people into jumping up and down and calling for a cure (as if that isn't already being done) and going on and on about the pharmaceutical companies that we're all supposedly in league with, just isn't going to gain you much, if any, support.

I'd like to know more about your alleged affiliation with GNP+. There actually IS no GNP+USA - so I'm wondering what organisation you're talking about that is so eager to "sign up for this [your] call". And before you answer that, see my reply to you in this other thread
where you are advocating for the retention of hiv travel restrictions.

Ann

FrederickGNP+USA · « **Reply #58 on:** April 15, 2009, 10:36:34 am »

Ann,

I truly have no respect for you for your lack of hope, faith and tricky is one that is most unattractive.
For you know I posted this in Ativisim and your trickery to move and then your words of companance make me think that you are just another paid AIDS professional in AIDS Inc in America that doesn't care about the 30 million people with HIV that don't have excess to drug shame on you sister and your words too have no meaning to me.

I give clue here America that in other to form a group you need two people and GNP+USA is a network or pure charity, so again your assumtion in your statment are misleading and a lie. GNP+USA is 8 months old and doing quit well in building its base but understand completly the territory of old school folks not wanting any new ideas or direction to rock their boat.

Be Well Sister and Please pray for the 30 million people that don't have acess to HIV drug for they are humanbeings not animal and where is you compassion I ask.

FrederickGNP+USA · « **Reply #59 on:** April 15, 2009, 10:42:32 am »

Ann,

Allegance to GNP+ .. I like their web page for not sure what they do for they have a web page and I think that is it for they are all good, just not a activist group in my opion. I think if you look at their web page it is GNP PLUS for their is only one GNP+now...

Humm what is your point?

Ann · « **Reply #60 on:** April 15, 2009, 11:09:28 am »

Frederick, I've got plenty of hope and faith. I've also got plenty of pragmatism - go read my previous posts about what I think of a cure for hiv. I'm sure it's possible in years - no, decades - to come, but we don't know enough about hiv yet. As for funding for a cure, there's only so much money for hiv as a whole, much of which is going into keeping people alive until there IS a cure.

I haven't employed trickery. You made a claim about an organisation and I asked for more information. It's evidently a tiny group - you and who else?

And I stand by my words anyway. You insinuate that you are a spokesperson for this GNP+USA, yet you come to this website and talk contrary to some key factors that the parent organisation, GNP+, stands for. Or are you now saying that you have nothing to do with the parent organization? http://www.gnpplus.net/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/ Funny enough, there's currently an article about travel restrictions on their home page. If you think GNP+ isn't an advocacy group, I'd like to know what you think IS an advocacy group.

And I'm getting pretty fed up with your AIDS inc insinuations. Are people who work in the hiv sector supposed to starve? How are they supposed to pay rent? And by the way, if you'd bothered to read my blurb on the AboutUs page before attacking me, you'd see how your accusations against me hold no water.

I'm sorry you've got such a chip on your shoulder - but I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall, so, well, what's the point?

Ann

FrederickGNP+USA · « **Reply #61 on:** April 15, 2009, 11:22:22 am »

Dear Ann,

I have never stated that GNP Plus was a parent orgainization, for I not sure what they do and for GNP+USA to take a position opposit to GNP Plus is not the case, first of all USA allows HIV people to travel in the USA and GNP PLUS is misleading people,.. and Second what power does GNP PLUS have as forigien group have in the USA polotics .. I say none,, You may now of GNP+NA which formed 3 or 5 years ago and put up a web page and then have done nothing, so in my pass works when one group doesn't advocate for social justice then watch out a new one is on the horizon. Thrid AIDS Inc in American is a good thing and I love the people and hope for the best but the truth is many are making money and the Secert needs to be put out in the voices for people to understand the planning field. I am sorry you do not like the term AIDS Inc in America or the 18 billion in USA funding yearly or the 9 billion in Global Funding for AIDS is big business. I am happy for you to have a income and food , housing and a purpose for I am advocating for the 30 million HIV woman, men, children that don't have that blessings for that is not a chip on my shoulder that is my cause.. Would you like to join in with GNP+USA to call for A Cure For AIDS Now to help these women, men and children.. we can start off new Ann for I forgive you and peace and lots of love to your and yours.

Frederick Wright
GNP+USA

AlanBama · « **Reply #62 on:** April 15, 2009, 11:54:52 am »

Frederick,

Those of us who are long-time members of this site do not appreciate you making accusations and insinuations about Ann. She is a devoted member of these forums, as well as a moderator. AIDS may be big business, but that has nothing to do with Ann.

Alan

Ann · « **Reply #63 on:** April 15, 2009, 11:59:24 am »

Frederick,

This is the last time I'll bother to address you, because, well, because your circular arguments contradict each other. I've got more interesting things to do with my time other than try to translate what you say into some sort of coherent English.

The thing that allows me to eat and have a roof over my head is my disability money - not AIDS inc. Not that it's any of your business. I don't talk about my finances in these forums and I don't expect you to talk about my finances either. (huh. Finances. I wish. I got £5 to my name at the moment, and a good portion of debt, too.)

And gee, I'm thrilled to bits that you "forgive" me. Forgive me for what, having a life? Whatever.

Ann

Thanks, Alan, you posted while I was writing.

Basquo · « **Reply #64 on:** April 15, 2009, 12:31:20 pm »

Frederick, what about The AIDS Institute? They have something called a United Faith Action Network. Maybe they could use some of your zest.

http://www.theaidsinstitute.org/asp/history_programs.asp?ms=1&ss=51

Tim Horn · « **Reply #65 on:** April 15, 2009, 02:01:41 pm »

Frederick:

I'm sorry, but for the life of me I simply don't understand your advocacy tactic(s) here. You want to get into cure advocacy? Then do it -- learn the science of HIV, familiarize yourself with the research that is (and is not) being done, and make your voice heard within the research and activist communities.

POZ and AIDSmeds have generated, as you say, "a call to cure AIDS." Most recently, in the October issue of POZ, the last and most important of a seven-point demand for a National AIDS Strategy is "Spend More Money on Research and the Hunt for the Cure."

Fortunately, I don't work with anyone -- not at POZ, AIDSmeds or in the activist communities -- who believes that a call-to-action alone does much of anything, as if the cure is secretly locked away in some test tube in a vault at the National Institutes of Health and that all that's needed is a little public outcry to set it free. For many years, I have had the great fortune of working alongside people who ARE looking for a cure at every turn -- we've seen potential with things like the scientific mysteries behind long-term nonprogressors... hydroxyurea... early antiretroviral treatment... stopping antiretroviral treatment... immune-based therapies and therapeutic vaccines... gene therapy... even stem cell transplants. And this is by no means a comprehensive list. Where there has been a glimmer of hope, advocacy -- including putting pressure on researchers and industry and pushing for increased funding -- has followed.

Could we all be more vigilant in advocating for a cure? Of course we can -- but please don't waste time rearranging deck chairs with another empty "call to action." Frederick, get involved. Learn about where science has been and where it's going... take the time to understand where there are fissures in our public and private research spending... figure out, for yourself and with others, what stones have gone unturned -- all in the name of becoming an effective advocate, and an effective leader, in pursuit of a cure. Spending your time proselytizing about individuals in these Forums or the entire "AIDS Inc." isn't help you or our cause at all -- it is disenginious.

Tim Horn

FrederickGNP+USA · « **Reply #66 on:** April 15, 2009, 06:46:24 pm »

Tom,

Thank you for your commitments and opinions for it is clear you are not going to use your politic clout to advance a cure or call for a Cure for AIDS in a fashion of Zeal and Passion. I did expect more from the advocates of the past but it is clear many are in the same bed with one another and hope you enjoy the opportunity you have now, but please when you go to bed at night and say your blessings for all you have received, at least say a prayer for the 30 million women, men and children that don't have your education, large kitchen or excess to your Meds that keep you alive and think about your leadership role in your works.

To me it is most distasteful what AIDS leadership has turn into and what AIDS Inc in American is afraid of ,for I would like to meet one true activist in this time and day.. However it is clear many are very complacent in their ideas and efforts to keep the band playing on. So you answer is that NO that Poz.com or AIDSMed.com want support a new Zeal and effort for a cure for AIDS and will be OK with 30 million people dieing of AIDS?

I am glad to you you coming out to express your opinions , however it is clear you are not an activist or a leader, just another we educated person in New York City.

Frederick Wright
GNP+USA

FrederickGNP+USA · « **Reply #67 on:** April 15, 2009, 06:56:05 pm »

Ann,

I ask for fogivness if I hurt Ann feelings, which seem she never ask when her tongue cuts people apart , but I think you are right not to adress me any more ann, for if you can not stand the heat in the kichen move on.. concerning the long time folks I understand the territory issues and the clicks that have form here but I not here to make friends .. I am here to advocate for the 30 million women, men and children that don't have excess to AIDS Med that is why GNP+USA was started for GNP PLUS doesn't advocat for meds .. just travel ban

I find it very fasinating that many will pick apart word and conversation and now of you will adress the fact of these people needing drugs and so many of you will speak up to justify the greed of 1600 dollars a month cost for pills for Dick Chenny Company .. Shame ... Shame .. Shame...

Who are you folks for I think Tom is right concerning being in the wrong place looking for leaders and advocates with Zeal and Passion.

Frederick Wright
GNP+USA

Ann · « **Reply #68 on:** April 15, 2009, 07:26:30 pm »

Quote from: FrederickGNP+USA on April 15, 2009, 06:56:05 pm

that is why GNP+USA was started for GNP PLUS doesn't advocat for meds .. just travel ban

GNP+ doesn't advocate for universal access to aids treatment, care and prevention? Are you sure?

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The Donor Consortium Conference "Indispensable: People Living with HIV/AIDS and Achieving Universal Access to AIDS Treatment, Care and Prevention by 2010" last March was the first of its kind. It was an unprecedented occasion where three networks of people living with HIV - GNP+, ICW and ITPC - had an open exchange with a variety of donors - private, governmental and multilateral. During the two days, PLHIV networks and donors worked together to discover how they could be complementary to each other for achieving that goal: Universal access to treatment, care and prevention by 2010. Here you will find the final report of this meeting. This report will be available as an electronic document only. You can either save or print the report to read it offline. Please feel free to share the report and distribute it widely.

source

It's not too hot for me in the kitchen, but if you want me, I'll be in the living room.

Ann

Miss Philicia · « **Reply #69 on:** April 15, 2009, 07:57:09 pm »

Quote from: FrederickGNP+USA on April 15, 2009, 06:46:24 pm

I am glad to you you coming out to express your opinions , however it is clear you are not an activist or a leader, just another we educated person in New York City.

Frederick Wright
GNP+USA

You're awfully snarky for a pious church lady.

Ann · « **Reply #70 on:** April 15, 2009, 08:03:44 pm »

I want to know who these Tom and Rob fellows are.

FrederickGNP+USA · « **Reply #71 on:** April 15, 2009, 08:10:07 pm »

Ann,

I am so happy you are taking to me again.. have you forgave me for my hursh words.. Yes for I worked with them in the past tring to get them on board with a few project pretaining to global AIDS and you know I have some problem communicating when it come to Global AIDS for I take no excuss and sometimes it a little mean, which I call passion and truth. They made it very clear they don't advocate for healthcare or GNP+NA... Don't ask my why for it is a leadership thing... they never came to the table to advocate for PEDFAR and GNP+NA is so disfunctional I surprised they still are around.

I adding a little comment for Missy in the message too for I don't won't to waste bytes in the web server... Church Man.. all man.. just for you .. lets party...

Peace and sincerely lots of love to both of you for I do like both of your spunk...

Frederick

P.S .. Just tring to get Tom sired up to think and come out of retirierment.

Ann · « **Reply #72 on:** April 15, 2009, 08:13:04 pm »

Tom who?

FrederickGNP+USA · « **Reply #73 on:** April 15, 2009, 08:15:54 pm »

I had a typo .. it is not Tom or Tim-bo.. the dude in the kitchen that comes to you rescue evertime we get into a fight and another one of you fans a Mr. Rapid Rod...the dude with a dog picture

FrederickGNP+USA · « **Reply #74 on:** April 15, 2009, 08:17:01 pm »

Do you know this Tim guy or Rapid Rod?

FrederickGNP+USA · « **Reply #75 on:** April 15, 2009, 08:20:13 pm »

You have a very loyal following... and then there is the Wizor of OZ chick or dude...who rebuke me too...

Tim Horn · « **Reply #76 on:** April 15, 2009, 08:21:14 pm »

Quote from: FrederickGNP+USA on April 15, 2009, 06:46:24 pm

Thank you for your commitments and opinions for it is clear you are not going to use your politic clout to advance a cure or call for a Cure for AIDS in a fashion of Zeal and Passion.

And with that, not only do I conclude that you have A LOT to learn about HIV and activism, you also need to learn to read.

FrederickGNP+USA · « **Reply #77 on:** April 15, 2009, 08:27:10 pm »

Tim-bo,

That was not very nice for you have a very sharp tongue like your collegues too, I have a learning disablity that cause me to see thing backward, although I see it as a gift for it allows me to think in a driffent way .. your words don't hurt me much Tim...for it is not a new insult to me, but think about the 30 million HiV woman, men and CHILDREN that are cring out for your leadership...and PoZ.com and AIDSmed and AIDS Inc in American's. May God Bless you with wisdom and more love in your journey today and forever.

Peace

Frederick

bocker3 · « **Reply #78 on:** April 15, 2009, 08:54:08 pm »

Quote from: FrederickGNP+USA on April 15, 2009, 08:27:10 pm

Tim-bo,

That was not very nice for you have a very sharp tongue like your collegues too, I have a learning disablity that cause me to see thing backward, although I see it as a gift for it allows me to think in a driffent way .. your words don't hurt me much Tim...for it is not a new insult to me, but think about the 30 million HiV woman, men and CHILDREN that are cring out for your leadership...and PoZ.com and AIDSmed and AIDS Inc in American's. May God Bless you with wisdom and more love in your journey today and forever.

Peace

Frederick

If you truly care so deeply about the 30 million woman, men and children crying for leadership and you think that those of us here are doing nothing but serving some Big Brother like AIDS Inc -- Then get the hell off of these forums and go provide some leadership for them all yourself.
Your words ring quite hollow and your posts are boring the hell out of me.

Mike
(who neither wants or needs your forgiveness or your condescending lectures)

AlanBama · « **Reply #79 on:** April 15, 2009, 08:57:02 pm »

The Wizard of Oz dude thinks you're a blithering idiot. Maybe you could ask for some brains...

Basquo · « **Reply #80 on:** April 15, 2009, 09:20:52 pm »

Frederick, it’s time to stop. Stop thinking that all the Moderators here are on the payroll of Big Pharma, stop accusing them of not supporting your good intentions, and most of all, stop being so defensive when people call you out on your tactics.

I am not a moderator here, nor am I on any payroll of any “AIDS Inc.” company or organization, but I am a member of these forums, and I know Ann from our interaction here, and I have personally met Tim Horn, RapidRod, and Alanbama. Stop calling them out and accusing them of thoughts or intentions about which you cannot possibly know.

I’m very sorry about the loss of your partner last October. I’m very sorry for the void which you now feel in your life that causes you be so defensive of your intentions when you want to help the world so much. I’m sorry that whatever reason made you move from the D.C. area to Tampa has left you discontent. But these forums are not the place for you to state your desires and intentions if you lash out at whomever questions you. And by questioning people’s faith, professions, intentions and such, yes, you are lashing out. And it’s not welcomed here.

Again, I’m not a moderator, but you need to be reined in. And I can’t do it. Please, do it yourself. This is a wonderful place for people to communicate, express themselves, and get to know other HIV-positive people and discuss the things we face everyday.

You learning disability matters not. It’s your presentation and defensiveness that I don’t like. And that’s me saying that, with no prompt from anyone else.

Bless you Frederick.

Creighton
(Basquo)

anniebc · « **Reply #81 on:** April 16, 2009, 03:41:15 am »

Quote from: AlanBama on April 15, 2009, 08:57:02 pm

The Wizard of Oz dude thinks you're a blithering idiot. Maybe you could ask for some brains...

Oh how I love my Tin man...and Bocker well said:

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Then get the hell off of these forums and go provide some leadership for them all yourself.

I kept away from this thread simply because I don't suffer fools gladly but when you start attacking those who put their time and effort into helping people..especially Tim (not Tim-bo) and Ann..who I know doesn't need anyone to fight her battles for her, she is one tough Lady.

You seriously need to shut the hell up now..(spoken as a member not as a Moderator).

Jan

Dachshund · « **Reply #82 on:** April 16, 2009, 07:41:05 am »

The constant meme that nothing is being done or no one outside of AIDSMEDS is thinking about AIDS is absurd. To debate anyone about the 'science' and practical 'treatment' of AIDS from a religious perspective is a fool's errand.

Interesting editorial from Fauci:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/15/AR2009041503040.html

FrederickGNP+USA · « **Reply #83 on:** April 16, 2009, 08:12:06 am »

Creighton and Jan,

Thank you for responding to this forum, however some may be confused for this furum it is not about me iit is about A CURE FOR AIDS. Creighton thank you for coming out with your name for it is nice to met you. I am not sure who the moderators are in the webpage and what that means or what part they have in advocacy efforts for I like to focuc on A Cure for AIDS and the problems and solutions. My focus is on the 30 million folks that need AIDSMeds, NOW. I hoping that Tim and the other folks her will find some strength in their voice to become advocates for the 30 million women,men and children that don't have access to AIDS Meds and I hope Jan whoever she is fines a true heart of love. I am celebrating the love of life today and will continue to stand in the gap with a voice to speak the truth for these 30 million women, men and children that AIDS Inc in America has abandoned.

Creighton it is clear you concerns seem real and that you have been doing some investingating with the gossip circle in D.C and trust me man I am a unltimate warrior for social justice and my Faith make me whole and thank you for concerns of the lost of Dr. Gene Copello for he is in the arm of my Lord Jesus and all is good for him. I am healing from my lost to get back on with my Faith works. One reason our partnership was so strong is he knew my heart would always give a good fight for social justice and He never sold out and I will not sell out. I am in Tampa for it is my Home and very happy to be out of the pit of D.C. Concerning the egos and prides of the moderators lets get past them and focus again on A Cure for AIDS to help the 30 million women, men and children with out hope, for it seems like no one is willing to adress the 30 million HIV folks that do not have access to AIDS MEDS but many are listening, Whats up? I pray it is not to late and that 10 milllion of these people have not arealy die from the greed and lack of ativism from AIDS Inc in America for have you not heard that it is a time of CHANGE. Creigton again thank you for you thoughts and Jan peace and lots of love to you sister.

Sincerely yours,

Frederick Wright
GNP+USA

P.S
If you have any more concerns or questions please give me a ring on the telephone at 813-985-2968 for I be happy to discuss it futher or meet face to face with another that wants to join in to help the 30 million HIV people that are cring out for leadership, hope and A Cure for AIDS.

Tim Horn · « **Reply #84 on:** April 16, 2009, 08:53:58 am »

Interesting press release from GNP+ attached. Interesting to note that Gene Copello was once the head of The AIDS Institute.

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FrederickGNP+USA · « **Reply #85 on:** April 16, 2009, 10:14:22 am »

Good Morning Tim,

Good to see you out of your office... and joining in on the fun... I love when GNP Plus gets to work .. for less for me to do... Yes Dr. Gene Copello was a great advocate, activist, professor and visionary leader that had a heart filled with the love of Jesus and was happy to be his Senior Advisor for many years in our partnership to bring change and lots of new and progressive policy forward to the people with HIV/AIDS for he built The AIDS Instiute from a small group with a budget of 20,000 dollars to a year to a budget of 5 million dollars within a couple of years, where many fruits can foward in the past works from The AIDS Institute, like PEDFAR. For his ethics to invest all his personal money and most of mine to help in building The AIDS Institute, which delight me very much in our works. To me this make him a leader that was truly one for the people and no one pull his strings, for he was a man of honor, turth and intergety in his leadership and hoping more will follow his leadership. I think you can learn alot Tom from his works. I also hope The AIDS Institute can find a vision for the future are won't turn into a Think Tank just for Pharma and Johnson and Johnson.

Time will tell and I believe the truth always surfaces.

Love you Tim Man

Frederick

FrederickGNP+USA · « **Reply #86 on:** April 16, 2009, 10:24:17 am »

Lots of Good News today,

That is so cool and again the New AIDS Institue without fail is following a leader .. It is also note worthie that Dr. Gene Copello is one of the founding members of GNP+USA or The Global Network of Positive People in the USA and I think he would love that the + in this group stands for the love of Jesus and the Cross for he is the one who mentored me and incouraged me to start GNP+USA. For Dr Copello would say "When one group doesn't perform, just start another and also very famous for saying " And let the Game Begin".

Joy Joy joy, go GNP PLUS and TAI stand up and fight to be heard for I know GNP+USA will be.

Peace

Peace

FrederickGNP+USA · « **Reply #87 on:** April 16, 2009, 10:31:34 am »

Tom
Again Thank you for join in today in advocating for People with AIDS.

I not sure who stated that GNP+USA has any roots with GNP Plus for that is very true GNP+USA is completly independent network.. no one pulls GNP+USA strings for we are not a puppet for PHARMA or a do boy for any speical interest group or person. I like to thank The AIDS Institute for pointing that out and making it public and also thank Tom with AIDS Med for posting it. All are welcome to join GNP+USA to advocate for the 30 million women, men and children that don't have AIDS MEDS.

Frederick Wright
GNP+USA
HIV Advocate

Miss Philicia · « **Reply #88 on:** April 16, 2009, 10:46:13 am »

From what I can tell, Fred-E, you're the Volunteer Coordinator, not the "Senior Advisor" -- can't we stop the charade for just a second?

Also, is it true that you were the 1974 Grand Marshall for Southern Decadence?

http://www.southerndecadence.net/grand-marshal.htm

FrederickGNP+USA · « **Reply #89 on:** April 16, 2009, 10:55:09 am »

Dachshund

Thank you for the information concerning Tony's coming out with some action for Cure for AIDS, wow a little bit of pressure bring all the folks to the table and GNP+USA looks foward to composing an editorial response to Tony's comments and opinion.. Wow Big News Day.

Oh by the way Dachshund not sure what you are speaking out concerning Religion for I am all about the love of Jesus and his teachings ( so say I am queer for Jesus) .. not Religion for you are right concerning the foolness of Religon, it is all about the Spirit of That Love, Again thank you for netwroking this article out to advocates for I will start to compose an editorial

Peace man and lots of love to you today

Frederick Wright
GNP+USA

FrederickGNP+USA · « **Reply #90 on:** April 16, 2009, 11:23:24 am »

Oh Missy,

Have you taken your Med today Dear.. yes I did start out in that position and thank you for taking the time to care about me.. I am also writing a book about D.C and AIDS Inc in America and my journey for the last 7 years in Washington politics and have lost my editor and need a new editor and if any one is interest in being an editor for my new book please let me know... the insides stories of building The AIDS Institute and working with 2 administrations . mainly with the Bush Adminisration for I learned a lot from metoring under Dr Copello and creating advocacy efforts as a leader in my many rolls I served in my tentor at The AIDS Institute, while attending high level meetings, and spending 1000 of hours Advising Dr Copello on the next move concerning Global AIDS and quite sucess in our effort too.. it will be a good read I beliieve with lots of truths and lots of stories of board members and Phama leaders, for I hoping it will move a reform efforts in Lobbing in DC where Speical Interest forms bonds with Non-Profit and lots of audits of truths. Missy is that link an invitation for me to party with you and are you in the advertisment, for I think you are a performer and like me.. don't you, for I love a sweet brown sugar ( well I lot alot of sugar)and very open in my Faith and Sexuality of the past and present for it is all good sister. For some would say the knowledge of the truth can set one free.. can I get an Amen...

Peace and lots of love..

Frederick Wright
GNP+USA

RapidRod · « **Reply #91 on:** April 16, 2009, 11:38:25 am »

Barney, this website has an AIDS Activism forum take it there.

Florida69 · « **Reply #92 on:** April 16, 2009, 11:55:23 am »

Quote from: FrederickGNP+USA on April 16, 2009, 08:12:06 am

813-985-2968

I will say that I have to agree with the majority of the forum members. Then I saw the number and thought holy cow Frederick lives in Tampa close to Tamiami trail, which got me to thinking maybe Frederick could use some of the great resources that are available in the area and here a couple of great ASO's that may be able to shine some light on this whole thing for you, I hope they help. I have been doing work with many of them for years, and they are very helpful and are always willing to answer any questions and provide very adequate education.

http://www.gcjfs.org/svc-aidsnetwork.htm

http://www.queertampa.com/tan.html

http://www.crisiscenter.com/Components/211CrisisHotline/CommunityResourceGuide/tabid/223/Default.aspx

http://www.hivsarasota.org/resources.htm

Not one of us will deny that we all want a cure for this dreadful virus, but until we have one at least we have this great forum for support. D

FrederickGNP+USA · « **Reply #93 on:** April 16, 2009, 12:08:59 pm »

Hey,

Thank you for the information, however Tampa AIDS Network went under last month and is one of the fall outs for you may know they have had many problems in the past and lake of vision and leadership, so you may want to take them off your list. I am doing great and will ponder the funraising concept.. not really my thing those, but will ponder it. And what is your name?

Peace

Frederick Wright
GNP+USA

komnaes · « **Reply #94 on:** April 16, 2009, 12:10:03 pm »

Let me just start with this Mr. Wright:

Although I am just a user and not in any way associated with AIDS MEDS, I and speaking for many do cherish these forums. While I see that these forums are opening for discussions on activism and their political discourses, many of us come here mainly to support each other and even though we do not have to agree with the management of these forums we have come to respect them, for the main reason of keeping these forums in order and open for us. They are also known public figures, contributing to the welfare and well-being of our community.

I don't know your history though I did meet Dr. Copello some years ago while I was in the Bay Area, but it would seem very clear that your GNP+USA has nothing to do with the AIDS Institute and GNP+. It's to be made clear. While you do have a record for advocating for more funding for those infected with HIV in Africa, which is respectable, there's no need to come in these forums to insult the management and others that have done good works for simply not agreeing with your "social justice" strategy, if you have one to speak of at all.

And for the rest of us, some of us do what we can in our little ways (I don't think not many are quite prepared to call themselves "ultimate worriers" like you do) to make things better. All movements are supported by a large group of us - the small supports, so to speak - doing small things to achieve any changes. In my own experiences, the last thing we need is someone with a messiah complex with very little credibility bellying others with nothing but a banner stating the obvious and without any tangible solution.

We all know and feel the frustration of what's happening in Africa, and there are ways we can contribute in our small ways. If you feel that you can make a difference, state clearly your strategies and solutions! Because we know for sure that they have not asked you to represent them - but it would not really matter if you can show us what strategy you actually have, convince us with reasons other than passive-aggressive bellying and verbal provocations.

Until and unless you can do that - what you have been posting here are nothing more than meaningless noises that are disturbing the peace here and interfering with other functions that these forums are providing to members - all affected by HIV no less - that are in need of supports.

For my short time being a user here I have seen my share of lunatics and crooks - perhaps it was wrong for me to conclude that you were one - but I see no reason yet to change my mind, not for your association with Dr. Copello and his past history in "activism", for they mean nothing to me while all I see of your ideas are nothing but empty slogans.

Shaun

(edited for typos)

FrederickGNP+USA · « **Reply #95 on:** April 16, 2009, 12:15:40 pm »

Another Note,

And one of the other groups here in Tampa a MCC , ASO has a 50 person waiting list last time I cheched for case management and since I am completly healthie, thank God I don't want to burden them for they are having leadership and visionary problem too I hear, for it is the fighting over money thing.. yuk, yuk, yuk.. We really need a Cure Folks

Frederick Wright,
GNP+USA

RapidRod · « **Reply #96 on:** April 16, 2009, 12:19:43 pm »

Take it to the other forum, you are getting old and very tiring.

Basquo · « **Reply #97 on:** April 16, 2009, 12:26:13 pm »

This was a duplicate thread that was also posted in the Activism forum; when Ann merged the two she left it in the Living With forum. Perhaps now that we know it is an activist thread the Moderators could move it back to the proper forum?

RapidRod · « **Reply #98 on:** April 16, 2009, 12:29:39 pm »

Quote from: Basquo on April 16, 2009, 12:26:13 pm

This was a duplicate thread that was also posted in the Activism forum; when Ann merged the two she left it in the Living With forum. Perhaps now that we know it is an activist thread the Moderators could move it back to the proper forum?

Yes it should be.

FrederickGNP+USA · « **Reply #99 on:** April 16, 2009, 12:40:41 pm »

It is all good with me .. but you better check with Ann we don't want her to get upset and run to Tim

I got to run Guys have a great day and be well.. and look foward to more comunication in the future

Ann · « **Reply #100 on:** April 16, 2009, 01:08:48 pm »

Quote from: FrederickGNP+USA on April 16, 2009, 10:31:34 am

I not sure who stated that GNP+USA has any roots with GNP Plus for that is very true GNP+USA is completly independent network..

Drederdick, (oops, a typo!)

Anyone seeing what you've decided to call your organisation would assume that you were a branch of GNP+, as you basically stole their name (and decided to claim that the + was a plug for Jesus).

And please, start being honest and stop trying to make it look like you didn't steal the name. The ONLY place you see the name of the organisation written as "GNP Plus" is in the URL of their website - because characters such as + are not permitted to be used that way in URLs. Their logo/brand is GNP+. If you didn't want people to think you were associated with GNP+, you would have called your organisation something different, and you still could have used a + and claimed it was your little Jesus plug.

Quote from: Basquo on April 16, 2009, 12:26:13 pm

This was a duplicate thread that was also posted in the Activism forum; when Ann merged the two she left it in the Living With forum. Perhaps now that we know it is an activist thread the Moderators could move it back to the proper forum?

Umm... Me thinketh thou speaketh of thine divine trash receptical forum. (affectionately known as simply The Bin.)

But seriously, this isn't real activism, it's just some guy trying to be "the big I AM". It would be a mockery to place this thread in the Activism forum.

Quote from: FrederickGNP+USA on April 16, 2009, 12:40:41 pm

It is all good with me .. but you better check with Ann we don't want her to get upset and run to Tim

I got to run Guys have a great day and be well.. and look foward to more comunication in the future

You crack me up. Run to Tim? (you got the name right!) Tim doesn't do my bidding; I fight my own battles, mate, and I'm quite handy with the ban button. Censorship? More like cutting out the noise pollution.

Ann

FrederickGNP+USA · « **Reply #101 on:** April 16, 2009, 01:24:46 pm »

Ann,

No one knows GNP Plus for they are a dot in a large world.. and I am suprise you are adressing me for the last time you wrote, you stated that you would not be writing in this forum.. I adressed your attacks ion me and GNP+USA in the other forum of the travel ban, get over it Ann and move on.. How about adressing A Cure for AIDS and the needs of the 30 million people instead of attacking me and GNP+USA for that seem to be you motive, since I came into this forum and then tring to get your POZ gang to do the same. Oh Ann you are very cunning.. I asked for forgivness but will not be bully by you and you have no power of me sister.

Be well

Frederick Wright
GNP+USA
FrederickGNP@aol.com
GNPUSA2010@aol.com

FrederickGNP+USA · « **Reply #102 on:** April 16, 2009, 01:29:50 pm »

Ann,

I not sure where you are from but here in the USA we have freedom of expression and creativity.. and since GNP+USA I help formed I can create what I wish for the LOGO of the + for it is all good sister.. peace and lots of love for that is what the Cross + brings to me .. try it .. you like it. Again my hope are to put tension on folks to focus on a Cure for AIDS and help the 30 milion in need..

RapidRod · « **Reply #103 on:** April 16, 2009, 01:31:22 pm »

Quote from: FrederickGNP+USA on April 16, 2009, 01:24:46 pm

Ann,

No one knows GNP Plus for they are a dot in a large world.. and I am suprise you are adressing me for the last time you wrote, you stated that you would not be writing in this forum.. I adressed your attacks ion me and GNP+USA in the other forum of the travel ban, get over it Ann and move on.. How about adressing A Cure for AIDS and the needs of the 30 million people instead of attacking me and GNP+USA for that seem to be you motive, since I came into this forum and then tring to get your POZ gang to do the same. Oh Ann you are very cunning.. I asked for forgivness but will not be bully by you and you have no power of me sister.

Be well

Frederick Wright
GNP+USA
FrederickGNP@aol.com
GNPUSA2010@aol.com

I believe you've outwore your welcome here on this website and yes I am from the U.S. Move on.

FrederickGNP+USA · « **Reply #104 on:** April 16, 2009, 01:45:39 pm »

Rod,

Wow you are a nasty little creature.. who is moderating you .. Wow.. nasty... so get your gang together and kick me out Rob.. for is not that the intention of you an Ann and her following, for then you can keep control of your territory.

Peace man and I still love you and sorry that you have been hurt in the past and hope you heal from the pain for you words reveil the pain in your heart.. very sorry...

Frederick Wright
GNP+USA
FrederickGNP@aol.com

RapidRod · « **Reply #105 on:** April 16, 2009, 02:01:53 pm »

Quote from: FrederickGNP+USA on April 16, 2009, 01:45:39 pm

Rod,

Wow you are a nasty little creature.. who is moderating you .. Wow.. nasty... so get your gang together and kick me out Rob.. for is not that the intention of you an Ann and her following, for then you can keep control of your territory.

Peace man and I still love you and sorry that you have been hurt in the past and hope you heal from the pain for you words reveil the pain in your heart.. very sorry...

Frederick Wright
GNP+USA
FrederickGNP@aol.com

Barney you're on the verge of doing that to yourself and you won't be missed. Have a nice day.

dixieman · « **Reply #106 on:** April 16, 2009, 04:01:13 pm »

Rapidrod this individual's just looking to start something... just let it go... and if there's a cure for this virus... more power to whomever has it...

odyssey · « **Reply #107 on:** April 16, 2009, 04:59:32 pm »

What I want to know is if anyone has a cure for the Frederick problem that seems to be plaguing this forum?

FrederickGNP+USA · « **Reply #108 on:** April 16, 2009, 05:10:23 pm »

Oh guys you know what mamma would say if you don't have anything nice to say .. do not say anything..and it is so cool to be out and not have to hide behind a screen name for the freedom is overwheming... try it you like it.. come out...Have a good evening I need to get to a class and move on,so be blessed in your journey and know more love... dudes

Setting the record Straight

Ann

I did not steal the name for it is a forgein group and has no USA idenity or rights of ownership in the USA for it is like the compulary liscening thing but different for no one knows what they do.. and in the past GNP PLUS had one excutive director and no staff and no advocacy effort at all in the USA. Just got very fed up with them talking all the credit and not doing any work and feeding off USA funding, where you might know USA funds 1/3 of the Global Fund and is Funding 9 billion a year now for HIV, AIDS, TB and Maleria.. Just sick and tried of forgein groups pushing the USA around like we are dogs and we give more than any other Country and just setting the record straight. And would like GNP PLUS to stay out of USA politic as they have done so successfully in the past

Oh, well God bless Queen of the Common Weath and the people of Englan for they have given more than the USA, however She is very shy about annoucing it for the Grace of Her Christian faith doesn't boast in Charity Works.. And Again God Bless the Queen and the Common Wealth for I am sure you must feel many blessings to be apart of such a great Country and Godly Works of a Christian Nation that help some many folks out and wish more nation could understand True Charity.

Peace and love you a lot Ann,

Frederick Wright
GNP+USA
FrederickGNP@aol.com

water duck · « **Reply #109 on:** April 16, 2009, 05:52:50 pm »

Strange, Rodney, dear , you used to be able to smell a rat miles away !! this one seems to escape you time and again.

Now Frederick boy, let us have a talk; you and me. This thread contains 108 postings, you posted at the present moment 44 ; Ann , blessed her patience, did 15 ; Basquo , for his good will did 7.
When i observed the way you addressed them, only with Ann you remained constant. With Basquo , you either spelled BASQUO or Basquo. So it is very possible that you had been abused by your father in your youth. Had your father died or had he stopped abusing you ?? And you are right now suffering from addiction withdrawal ??
Fine , now you get that butt of your's over on four limbs so that i can whip it raw , then lock you up in the closet , like your dad used to do . Oh do not worry, i will not do like your dad, open the closet door, put you on your knees (like you are praying to Jesus) and relieve himself, i prefer to do it into a bowl. Tell you what , i am giving you a bonus, i give you a portable PC , so you can have some light within the darkness, you can then advocate for - Cure for Aids, GNP+USA, 30 millions not receiving aids................
Oh while you are at it , please lock into
lockmeintheclosetand throwawaythekey.com

Peace and love

Wd

newt · « **Reply #110 on:** April 16, 2009, 06:29:54 pm »

This thread rises to the top of the living with no cure forum day in day out. Can it get moved? I am bored by it. It's dangerous I am bored. I might go lick a genotype report or sommat.

".. a dot in a large world.." is deffo worth reflecting on ..

While we's talking GNP+, Lynde Francis, activist and heart of hearts, passed away 2 April:
http://www.gnpplus.net/content/view/1491/77/

GNP+ have set up a Facebook page in her honour:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=74873988896&ref=share

She was also a member of the International Community of Women with HIV/AIDS

matt (a microdot in england who knows a gnome when he sees one) the newt

Now playing: Marvin Gaye, What's Going On

clsoca · « **Reply #111 on:** April 16, 2009, 07:30:34 pm »

I can't identify with the judgment of our great group wasting precious time with a highjacker.

Ignore and overlook all highjackers and let’s continue on with our important and relevant business. Highjackers are predisposed to migrate to other web-site-forums when their relevancies have been reduced to rat-shit.

I will not post anything relevant to any highjacker’s posting whatsoever.

This is my two-cents at least……

Miss Philicia · « **Reply #112 on:** April 16, 2009, 07:44:04 pm »

Oh, I couldn't disagree more. Just do a search for "bimazek".

clsoca · « **Reply #113 on:** April 16, 2009, 07:48:37 pm »

Hi Miss Philicia

He/she is still a highjacker. Would you not agree.

RapidRod · « **Reply #114 on:** April 16, 2009, 07:56:01 pm »

Quote from: water duck on April 16, 2009, 05:52:50 pm

Strange, Rodney, dear , you used to be able to smell a rat miles away !! this one seems to escape you time and again.

Now Frederick boy, let us have a talk; you and me. This thread contains 108 postings, you posted at the present moment 44 ; Ann , blessed her patience, did 15 ; Basquo , for his good will did 7.
When i observed the way you addressed them, only with Ann you remained constant. With Basquo , you either spelled BASQUO or Basquo. So it is very possible that you had been abused by your father in your youth. Had your father died or had he stopped abusing you ?? And you are right now suffering from addiction withdrawal ??
Fine , now you get that butt of your's over on four limbs so that i can whip it raw , then lock you up in the closet , like your dad used to do . Oh do not worry, i will not do like your dad, open the closet door, put you on your knees (like you are praying to Jesus) and relieve himself, i prefer to do it into a bowl. Tell you what , i am giving you a bonus, i give you a portable PC , so you can have some light within the darkness, you can then advocate for - Cure for Aids, GNP+USA, 30 millions not receiving aids................
Oh while you are at it , please lock into
lockmeintheclosetand throwawaythekey.com

Peace and love

Wd

WD you're slipping, read reply 12.

FrederickGNP+USA · « **Reply #115 on:** April 17, 2009, 11:19:30 am »

Hi Research Folks, Advocates, Ativitist, AIDS Inc America and beyond,

My Name is Frederick Wright with GNP+USA......

Most Fascinating how this Topic Keeps Getting Move Around ,for it is the story of my life, for folks just do not know what mold to put me in.

Tim-bo and Ann

Love you Both and find your communication very hurmous at times and can not wait to meet you in person one day to give you both a big KISS.....

Defining the Cure for AIDS with hopes for the 30 million PEOPLE that don't have excess to AIDS MEDS will have hope and life?

I just got back from a clinic appointment where my HIV Healthcare provider Dr. Don Kurtyka (good guy and like him a lot) inform me that Gilead Science the manufacture of Atripa has capture 75 percent of the HIV/AIDS market. Well this makes me think, would it not be wonderful if all 30 million HIV people on our Globe had a pill available to them called Atripla. And how could this happen. I am thinking of the concept for some time now.
One way is that President Obama could step in and call for a National Global Emergency and break the patient to allow a lot of manufactures to start making Atripa with an executive order. This would bring the cost down and create a generic market and President Obama could also inform his staff to make Atripa available over the counter for sale as a PEP or PrEP to all in the USA to stop new infections. This could slow down new HIV infections (saving resources) and keep people in an HIV status, NOT AIDS. He could also ask for a refining of the term AIDS to follow the Global Scientist in creating a protocol of HIV stage 1, HIV stage 2, or HIV stage 3 illness and call for a end to the word AIDS as we know it to be. One of my teachers in the past would say that the ask must conclude with an action of NOW.

That way my first though, however I am a compassionate guy and like Robert Chenney and Company, for I believe in the free enterprise system where people should and must have a right to sell their ideas, inventions or Intellectual Property in a free market. GNP+USA would like for it to be a FAIR and Free Market. So in my research of the past both in policy, advocacy and economic I learned there is always a middle road of compromise.
Secondly our President with the support of AIDS Inc in America, Activists, Advocates, and the whole community could create a plan where the USA would buy down the patient of Atrpla for a negotiated price a few billions dollars or so and take it out of PEPFAR funding, so Giliead would not lose money and America’s would not loss jobs. We could also make a compact with Gilead to open a couple more manufacturing plants in the USA to mass produce Atripla( put HIV people back to work with good health insurance, a good pay check and hope for the future, saving again on USA resources and money)
And then employ the above plan to bring Atripla price down and hopes for the 30 million people with HIV/AIDS that don’t have AIDSMEDS a fighting chance to live another day for the supply would go up and the price would come down.
I thought I share today what A Cure for AIDS could look like and know my Faith tells me the Cure for AIDS is in one’s heart of action.
I sure this plan needs more research and fleshing out , but here it is in Black and White or what the beltway people would call a White Page and please feel free to forward, copy or use this intellectual property as Open Souce and Public Domain for my heart is for the 30 million HIV people that are crying out for Help in our global communities.
Sincerely,
Frederick Wright
GNP+USA

littlefire · « **Reply #116 on:** April 21, 2009, 11:33:06 am »

I don't know why people are so fanatical about a cure for AIDS/HIV. Why can't we just be realistic? I mean come on, how many viruses do you know of that we have a cure for? Not even the flu counts there and we've been getting that virus for millions of years. I certainly can't think of one.

So what are the chances we'll ever find a cure for AIDS? Realistically, NIL. It is a virus. Antibiotics don't work for viruses. End of story.

What can we hope for? Better medicines. Immunization. Strides in DNA therapy may make a dent sometime in the future. But none of those counts as a cure.

We can win the war on AIDS with science. But if we carry on thinking about AIDS in unnatural, supernatural, overoptimistic and uninformed terms, we will lose.

Just my 2c Zimbabwean.

littlefire · « **Reply #117 on:** April 21, 2009, 11:34:43 am »

Correction: We haven't been getting flu for millions of years because the modern human race is only 60000 years old. But we've probably been catching flu for most of that time anyway.

betonet · « **Reply #118 on:** April 21, 2009, 03:15:25 pm »

Littlefire, How can you compare flu with HIV. What is the cure for FLU? Who will search for it, when the body always cures the flu by itself. Drink paracetamol, Vitamin C, Aspirin and the flu is gone. It cures by itself.

You know it's not the same question with HIV/AIDS.

The only thing I say is that much more budget should be spent on a cure. And I believe it could come out somewhere soon. Especially with these gene therapies.

But the big buys pulling the strings - do they want to be found a cure? I doubt it. Economically told - AIDS is one of the biggest bussiness. So that's why a cure was still not found I think. Just an opinion.

newt · « **Reply #119 on:** April 21, 2009, 06:11:58 pm »

Why find a cure? Cos at, say (conservatively), $5-50,000 a piece (depending on geographical region) and 40+ million people that's a load of cash, plus the new infection rate ain't really decreasing, and the marketing kudos in terms of brand for having found a cure is mucho mucho big (= more sales of other durgs, greater investment). Plus perhaps corporate mission. Many drug cos produce products which cure people, eg antibiotics. - matt

ronaldinho · « **Reply #120 on:** April 21, 2009, 07:25:57 pm »

Quote from: littlefire on April 21, 2009, 11:33:06 am

I don't know why people are so fanatical about a cure for AIDS/HIV. Why can't we just be realistic? I mean come on, how many viruses do you know of that we have a cure for? Not even the flu counts there and we've been getting that virus for millions of years. I certainly can't think of one.

As for the flu, i think you are confusing 2 differente things: cure and immunity.

Everybody has a cure for the flu. Your own natural defenses cure it, whenever you have a flu and gets rid of it. That is why no big money will be ever spent in a cure for the flu, cause healthy human immune systems are able to cure the flu naturally.

Maybe you are refering to the fact that, despite curing the flu every time we have it, we do not develop immune protection agaisnt it, which means we end up getting the flu again, sooner or later. But this does not mean our bodies are not able to cure it, it just means that, despite curing it several times during the course of a lifetime, our immune systems are not able to develop immune protection.

veritas · « **Reply #121 on:** April 22, 2009, 05:43:17 am »

Anti-ps worked against flu virus in pre-clinicals:

http://www.peregrineinc.com/images/stories/media/siteFiles/PSbackgrounder.pdf

v

georgep77 · « **Reply #122 on:** April 22, 2009, 12:32:11 pm »

Quote from: newt on April 21, 2009, 06:11:58 pm

Why find a cure? Cos at, say (conservatively), $5-50,000 a piece (depending on geographical region) and 40+ million people that's a load of cash, plus the new infection rate ain't really decreasing, and the marketing kudos in terms of brand for having found a cure is mucho mucho big (= more sales of other durgs, greater investment). Plus perhaps corporate mission. Many drug cos produce products which cure people, eg antibiotics. - matt

You're totally right matt,is sad, but is the true $:-\$

Ann · « **Reply #123 on:** April 22, 2009, 01:39:43 pm »

Can I remind people that flu kills? We don't necessarily "cure flu everytime we have it".

During a typical year in the United States, 30,000 to 50,000 persons die as a result of influenza viral infection. Frequently cited numbers are 20,000 deaths each year, and 37,000 annual deaths. About 5-10% of hospitalizations for influenza lead to fatal outcome in adults. source

2008-2009 Influenza Season Week 14 ending April 11, 2009
(All data are preliminary and may change as more reports are received.)
Synopsis:

During week 14 (April 5-11, 2009), influenza activity continued to decrease in the United States.

* Two hundred fifty-nine (9.0%) specimens tested by U.S. World Health Organization (WHO) and National Respiratory and Enteric Virus Surveillance System (NREVSS) collaborating laboratories and reported to CDC/Influenza Division were positive for influenza.
* The proportion of deaths attributed to pneumonia and influenza (P&I) was at the epidemic threshold.
* Eight influenza-associated pediatric deaths were reported.
* The proportion of outpatient visits for influenza-like illness (ILI) was below the national baseline. Two of nine surveillance regions reported ILI above their region-specific baselines (East South Central and Mountain).
* One state reported widespread influenza activity, 14 states reported regional activity; 22 states reported local influenza activity; the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, and 12 states reported sporadic influenza activity; and one state reported no influenza activity. source

During the 2007--2008 season, influenza activity** peaked in mid-February and was associated with greater overall mortality, and higher rates of hospitalizations among children aged 0-4 years compared with each of the previous three seasons. Influenza A (H1) viruses were most commonly isolated from October to mid-January, but influenza A (H3) viruses increased in circulation in January and predominated during the season overall. From late March through May, when overall influenza activity was declining, more influenza B than influenza A viruses were reported. source read more

For example, in the US in 2005, there were 12,543 deaths in the US due to HIV Disease. source This can be compared to the estimated 30,000 to 50,000 influenza-attributable deaths each year in the US alone.

Just sayin...

Ann

edited to fix dodgy formatting

Assurbanipal · « **Reply #124 on:** April 22, 2009, 01:51:47 pm »

"Can I remind people that flu kills? We don't necessarily "cure flu everytime we have it".
..."

What Ann said... and in addition the 1918 flu pandemic killed somewhere between 20 and 50 million people in one year. US deaths were over 675,000. And that was back when world population levels were still under 2 billion.

Ann · « **Reply #125 on:** April 25, 2009, 07:11:24 am »

Further food for thought on the flu-front:

Quote from: Assurbanipal on April 24, 2009, 09:02:00 pm

Troubling news from Mexico. Hope everyone here has had their flu shots.

"MEXICO CITY — Mexican officials, scrambling to control a swine flu outbreak that has killed as many as 61 people and infected possibly hundreds more in recent weeks, closed museums and shuttered schools for millions of students in and around the capital on Friday, and urged people with flu symptoms to stay home from work.

...

Most of Mexico’s dead were young, healthy adults, and none were over 60 or under 3 years old, the World Health Organization said. That alarms health officials because seasonal flus cause most of their deaths among infants and bedridden elderly people, but pandemic flus — like the 1918 Spanish flu, and the 1957 and 1968 pandemics — often strike young, healthy people the hardest.

Mexican officials promised a huge immunization campaign in the capital in the coming days, while urging people to avoid large gatherings and to refrain from shaking hands or greeting women with a kiss on the right cheek, as is common in Mexico"

Full story http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/25/world/americas/25mexico.html?em

Thank you Assurbanipal, for posting this on the forums.

Ann

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