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Title: Naked grinding?
Post by: Questionplz on June 22, 2021, 03:06:26 pm
Hello all,

Can someone please assist me with this question. About a week ago, I spent some time with an escort. She rubbed her boobs against me with lotion until completion and I know there is no risk there.

But then afterwards she took me into the shower with her and proceeded to grind her ass against my erect penis for a few minutes. For a brief moment my penis went between her legs and brushed up against her vagina. I don’t recall any penetration at all but it did “slap” against her vagina rather forcefully and maybe rubbed against it for a stroke or two. Would this activity put me at risk? My penis did not enter her body but may have gotten between her vagina lips as it slapped it pretty hard? Also, would the fact that this happened in the shower cause any additional risk?

Thanks all for your help.
Title: Re: Naked grinding?
Post by: Jim Allen on June 22, 2021, 03:30:59 pm

Grinding, rubbing, slapping against etc. isn't an HIV risk to you.

Here's what you need to know to avoid HIV infection:
Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, every time, no exceptions. Consider talking to your health care provider about taking PrEP going forward as an additional layer of HIV protection.

Keep in mind that some sexual practices which may be described as ‘safe’ in terms of HIV transmission might still pose a risk for transmission of other STI's, so please do get fully tested regularly and at least yearly for all STI's including but not limited to HIV and test more frequently if unprotected intercourse occurs

Also, note that it is possible to have an STI and show no signs or symptoms and the only way of knowing is by testing.

Kind regards


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Title: Re: Naked grinding?
Post by: Questionplz on June 22, 2021, 03:39:40 pm
Hello Jim,

Thank you very much for the quick response. And just to confirm, if my erect penis did graze in between her vagina lips for a few moments, this also presents no exposure? Would the water or temperature of the water from the shower have any impact on this activity as well?
Title: Re: Naked grinding?
Post by: Jim Allen on June 22, 2021, 04:08:21 pm
Asked and answered already, asking me again in a slightly different way is not going to change how HIV is or isn't acquired.

You had no HIV risk from this encounter unless you engaged in condomless intercourse, so your penis penetrating her vagina.

Title: Re: Naked grinding?
Post by: Questionplz on June 23, 2021, 03:31:03 am
Thank you Jim. I’m not trying to waste your time or anything I’m just nervous and want to understand. I really appreciate you taking the time to read and answer me.

 I’ve done some reading on the forum and it seems what I engaged in was frottage and the consensus on this forum is that it presents no risk.

I just want to make sure frottage includes the tip of the penis (not just the shaft)rubbing against the vagina opening? Also, why is this activity considered “no risk” as it seems to me if the tip of the penis is rubbing up and down against the vaginal opening, there would be some microscopic level of penetration or no?

Thank you in advance for the response
Title: Re: Naked grinding?
Post by: Jim Allen on June 23, 2021, 03:59:18 am

It's not an HIV risk as it lacks all the biological & environmental conditions required for acquiring HIV.  You also know this as you have read previous posts answered by myself and others explaining this in detail, so I will not be repeating myself.

The next part of your question has been answered already.

Move on with your life, no amount of rubbing against her vagina is an HIV risk.