HIV Question

[Oliver1981]

Good morning everyone.

I am a heterosexual male - I Recently received a BJ from a TS that lasted less than 10 seconds. When I looked down there right after there was a little red stuff around the base of my dick where my stomach and Dick meet. There was nothing on my dick and I think this could've been lipstick.

Does this carry an HIV risk? Even if the red stuff was blood is there a need to get tested?

Thank you in advance for your answer.

[Wade]

Hi
Getting a blow job is not risk for HIV , there has not been one confirmed case since the epidemic began and testing is not necessary .
Keep in mind other STIs are much more easily transmitted.

Best Wade

To avoid infection,
You need to be using condoms for all anal and vaginal intercourse until you are in a trusting monogamous relationship and both have been tested for all STIs and HIV.
Everyone who is sexually active should have an annual exam and test for all STIs and HIV ,and always after unprotected intercourse. Always using condoms will give you peace of mind your tests will return with a negative result.

[Oliver1981]

Hi Wade, so even if there was blood present in the mouth there is still no concern for me?

Thank you for your answer.

[Wade]

That is correct it makes no difference.

Best, Wade

[Oliver1981]

One other question:

The encounter I described happened two weeks ago. For the last week I have had angular chelitis on the corners of my mouth and I just saw a pimple/white spot on the side of my tongue.

Are these symptoms of acute HIV infection?

Thanks in advance for your reply.

[Ptrk3]

Whatever is going on in the corners of your mouth has nothing to do with the HIV, nor does a pimple/white spot on your tongue.

Wade is correct: your actions in this instance did not put you at risk for contraction of the HIV.  Stop fretting and move on.

[Oliver1981]

Hello:

Still worried about my exposure.

Even with blood present in the sucker's mouth, this is still a zero risk blow job and you wouldn't even suggest testing?

Dr. Hansfeld from med help forums said that angular chelitis is in people with late stage HIV, so me having this is not an HIV symptom?

[Wade]

We do not comment on what other say, and stick by the assessment you were given.
You did not have risk from getting a blow job...period

Wade

[Oliver1981]

We do not comment on what other say, and stick by the assessment you were given.
You did not have risk from getting a blow job...period

Wade

Wade,

Thanks for the reply.

And you say zero risk with 100% confidence even with blood?

[Wade]

You're Welcome, and as I said earlier no one has ever been infected from getting a blow job.  It really is safe to move on.

Wade

[Oliver1981]

Hi, I have some questions about transmission (and I apologize now if they sound stupid or uneducated).

The cdc website breaks down infections by race, gender and transmission mode.

So my question is this: since white heterosexual men have a lower infection rate than black and Hispanic men does that mean the 1/2,500 chance of infection through vaginal sex is actually lower for the white male?  If I have always worn a condom that didn’t fail for vaginal sex is there any risk of HIV infection?

Also, I have read a lot that the HIV positive persons “viral load” can increase or decrease how easily their partner can be infected. So my question is can a person with a SKY HIGH viral load who has blood in their mouth and give me a blow job infect me...or is this scenario still zero risk?

Thank you for your expertise on these topics.

[Jim Allen]

Statistics have very little to do with risk assessments, they widly differ from region to region (Culture difference) and nothing and nobody can accurately calculate an individuals risk once they have met all the bilogical conditions required for aquiring HIV. You could be the first in the 2500 or the last, I've known people who never used protection and are fine and people who only had 1 single exposure in life and aquired HIV


Here we simply presume the person is living with HIV and without treatment and look if the conditions are met or not for aquiring HIV.

Regardless of VL getting a blowjob does not meet the conditions required and hence in nearly 40 years of this pandemic and over 80 million transmissions of HIV nobody has aquired HIV from getting there penis sucked, worring about being the first is irrational in my book.

Stop reading paranoid nonesense, yes I mean the CDC with that!

Jim

[Oliver1981]

Thanks Jim,

I think I know your answer already but if a condom never failed in vaginal sex then I am at zero risk?

[Jim Allen]

HIV can not transmit thought an intact condom and condoms and they shred during intercourse if they fail leaving no doubt, so as long as this did not happen than HIV is not a concern.

The problem with vaginal/anal intercourse in short with condoms is inconsistent usage and people dismissing exposures and breakages.

Also desipte no HIV risk as long as the condom covered the head of your penis and did not shred during the intercourse, condom usage and the levels of protection for various other and easier to transmit STIs, depends greatly on differences in how the diseases or infections are transmitted.  Some infections (Not HIV) are transmitted primarily by skin-to-skin / skin to sore contact, which may infect areas not covered by a condom. As example genital herpes, human papillomavirus [HPV] infection, syphilis, and chancroid. This and the fact condoms mostly due to incorrect usage can break is part of the reason its "safer" sex not "safe"

We do not comment on what other say, and stick by the assessment you were given.
You did not have risk from getting a blow job...period

Wade

You had this answer before BTW.. it's not going to change!

Here's what you need to know in order to avoid hiv infection:

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, every time, no exceptions.  Consider starting PrEP as an additional layer of HIV prevention going forward.

Keep in mind that some sexual practices which may be described as safe in terms of HIV might still pose a risk for transmission of other far easier to acquire STI's, so please do get fully tested regularly and at least yearly for all STI's including but not limited to HIV and test more frequently if unprotected intercourse occurs

Also note that it is possible to have an STI and show no signs or symptoms and the only way of knowing is by testing.

More information on HIV Basics, PEP, TaSP and Transmission can be found through the links in my signature to our POZ pages, this includes information on HIV Testing

Kind regards

Jim

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[Oliver1981]

Thanks again Jim for all the info.

Why is there so much misinformation out there?...especially when it come to receiving blow jobs?....if there was never an infection from insertive oral why don’t they say there’s no risk rather than a theoretical risk or a low risk?....because I think many people see that and they’ll see that there’s still a risk and they panic (like me).

[Jim Allen]

Myths presist hence we still get banana questions and oranges

Also CYA policy (Cover your ass) means some will report theoretically never happened before senarios as risks without explaining context of what extresms would be required even for that.

Example - I presume you did not beat to a bloody pulp the partner requiring an ambulance or try to stab to death before she/he sucked you right? Hence we tell you no risk.

Now if I presumed everyone was Hannibal Lecter and that never before in history event would happen out of CYA or paranoia my answer might be (unwarranted) different     ....

Anyhow as much as I enjoy dicussing this it's very much off topic.

You risk assessment for HIV from what you posted is none. If you are in the habit of extremes like I mentioned let me know

Jim

[Oliver1981]

Last question: are other std,s spread easier from insertive oral? Or are those also considered very low to zero risk?

[Jim Allen]

There are easier to transmit STI's

Levels of risk for various STIs, depends greatly on differences in how the diseases or infections are transmitted. Some infections (Not HIV) are transmitted primarily by skin-to-skin contact/sore contact and some infections are far more capable or hardened against conditions and infecting different routes or cells that HIV can not or can not remain infectious under.

Take condom usage, HIV can not transmit through an intact condom however although it reduces the risk of easier to acquire STI's they may still infect areas not covered by a condom (Not HIV) so it remain an STI risk. (Such things like;  genital herpes, human papillomavirus [HPV] infection, syphilis, and chancroid as example ).

Hence its safer sex with protection and acts not "safe" sex when we talk about STI's and not just HIV and so as you know we tell people to keep in mind that some sexual practices which may be described as safe in terms of HIV might still pose a risk for transmission of other far easier to acquire STI's, so please do get fully tested regularly and at least yearly for all STI's including but not limited to HIV and test more frequently if unprotected intercourse occurs

Jim

[Oliver1981]

When you make your assessment of chances such as 1/2500 chance is that assuming the partner is not on meds and has the highest viral load possible?

[Jim Allen]

Oliver

You had no 1/2500 HIV risk from what you posted here ...

Now for all risk assessments we presume that the person is living with HIV and not on treatment. In your case it simply was not a concern.

I've given you a full risk assessment, we have been over this topic with you in depth and it is not going to change. You had sex, great no need to panic, move on with your life contuine to use condoms and like every sexually active adult should test out of standard routine for HIV and far easier to transmit STI's at least yearly.

If you accept the assessment or not is entirely up to you however there really is nothing more I can do for you in this setting.

I will add that looking back at your posting history I would suggest if you keep having irrational irrelevant fears and find them impacting your life than consider speaking to a therapist to help you learn to control/cope with them.

Best, Jim


Please consider this topic closed. If you continue to post about no risk situations it will lead to a timeout (ban) from the forum, this is to support you as encouragement for you to seek professional face to face mental health support.

[Jim Allen]

Banned as I wish you well but if you keep having irrational  fears impacting/controlling your life than consider speaking to a therapist to help you learn to control/cope with them.

Instead of focusing on "what ifs" & "never happened" non existent issues focus instead on reducing your real world risks and keep using condoms no exceptions, also consider starting PrEP as an additional layer of HIV prevention for the future

Best, Jim