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Main Forums => Living With HIV => Topic started by: tednlou2 on August 20, 2012, 12:21:22 am
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The headline they used for the link, CDC Unveils "HIV Transmission Risk Chart,"
made it sound like these were new and revised assessments. But, they look the same as what I've seen reported before from the CDC, so it didn't seem like new news to me. Has anything changed from previous CDC assessments?
http://www.thebodypro.com/content/68450/hiv-transmission-risk-chart.html
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This is old news (http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=44581.0)
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Faux Pas!! ;)
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Faux Pas!! ;)
I didn't see the other thread when it rolled around either. But it bears repeating that I detest - loathe - abhor these friggin' charts. I think they are more than useless in real world application...they're dangerous because they have this "oh my odds are pretty good" feel to them. >:(
Here's the only stat you need: Your odds are nearly 100% of you fuck around constantly without condoms.
Ask any salacious sperm sponge like me. ;)
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In real world, the chance of getting infected is 50%, meaning it's either 100% or 0%.
Even 10 seconds of unprotected anal sex can result in infection, if the penetrating partner's viral load is high (>100 000). During the window period, people can test negative, while they have viral load in millions.
This chart was the 1st thing I looked at, after the unprotected sex which resulted in my infection. (And yes, I panicked after the intercourse, and the guy showed me his negative HIV test he had taken a moth ago...which he took in order to get a visa to [a certain country])...he must've been tested during the window period since our intercourse lasted less than a minute, and there was no ejaculation) and yet resulted in my infection. [I should have gone to the ID clinic the next day, to seek PEP, but I didn't know about it...Instead, I concentrated on this stupid chart >:( ).
People keep saying the chances of getting the infection are low,
but if you asked them: would you sleep with an HIV-positive person (UD, safe sex), they would say: Not a chance!
::)
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People keep saying the chances of getting the infection are low,
but if you asked them: would you sleep with an HIV-positive person (UD, safe sex), they would say: Not a chance!
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I used to ask myself this same question when I was negative and I did not think like that. Ok so you're sleeping with a guy and he's apparently negative...you both do a test and you're HIV free. So ok, "screw condoms, let's do it!"
What if he cheats on you? There is a thread here somewhere about this very same problem (I believe it might be on Mental Health area)...the guy was in a stable relationship, condom-free sex and boom, the other one cheated and he got infected.
How safe it is anyway to have bareback sex with someone who got tested negative? What is the guarantee that this will last? There is none, I think.
Also Elf...not to say I don't believe in your story but it does seem really odd that you got infected for, as you put it, something that "lasted less than a minute"...and considering the guy, as you also put it, must have been in his window period his VL could not be high at all. So you're saying that you got infected for something that lasted less than a minute with a guy who's VL count was around the hundreds?
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the guy, as you also put it, must have been in his window period his VL could not be high at all. So you're saying that you got infected for something that lasted less than a minute with a guy who's VL count was around the hundreds?
You're wrong there, Rockin. People who are in the first few weeks/first month or so of infection quite often have VLs in the millions. MILLIONS!!! It can be the most infectious a person will ever be throughout the course of their infection.
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You're wrong there, Rockin. People who are in the first few weeks/first month or so of infection quite often have VLs in the millions. MILLIONS!!! It can be the most infectious a person will ever be throughout the course of their infection.
Really? Had no idea...maybe because when I found out my status my VL was around 20.000 and my infection was probably 1 year prior to that...I assumed it was usually like this for most people.
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Check out this graph Rockin. It shows that VL skyrockets in the first weeks and then diminishes to fairly low within just a few months. It then begins a very slow increase which takes years until it reaches a tipping point and begins a huge increase before totally destroying the immune system leading to death
(http://i918.photobucket.com/albums/ad21/leathermanmikie/am_photos/HIV_course.png)
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Check out this graph Rockin. It shows that VL skyrockets in the first weeks and then diminishes to fairly low within just a few months. It then begins a very slow increase which takes years until it reaches a tipping point and begins a huge increase before totally destroying the immune system leading to death
(http://i918.photobucket.com/albums/ad21/leathermanmikie/am_photos/HIV_course.png)
Had no idea. I thought it was a slow, steady climb since infection.
Regardless, I still think its pretty amazing that you could get infected by 1 minute of intercourse. I always assumed, and I don't think I'm wrong in this, that HIV is not "that" easy to get.
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Had no idea. I thought it was a slow, steady climb since infection.
Regardless, I still think its pretty amazing that you could get infected by 1 minute of intercourse. I always assumed, and I don't think I'm wrong in this, that HIV is not "that" easy to get.
Years ago when I was a youngin, I thought it took several years of infection before someone was infectious enough to transmit the virus. After learning about the virus, I was surprised to learn that people are usually most infectious during acute infection. I really can't trace back where I got this mistaken info. It must have been other people saying it, and I just believed it.
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No. You can not use population statistics in this manner. Unprotected anal sex with an HIV-positive partner is extremely risky and it's possible to contract the virus with just a single exposure.
http://www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/SafeSex/Q201423.html
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http://www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/SafeSex/Q201423.html
I do agree that we should always practice safe sex with a HIV negative person but that's the standard doctor scare tactic routine. I also had a doctor telling me that I should always use a condom when practicing oral sex because "oral sex is just as risky as anal sex". Not every doctor is a good doctor, remember that.