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Offline mamamia247

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Panicking and really need help-am i infected?
« on: February 13, 2018, 11:28:15 am »
Had sex with a young girl. It was all protected with a condom and have put water in it to determine any leakage and i cannot see one. I had put my fingers inside her and had small cuts and kissing which im not sure if i have sore in my mouth or not as i usually bleed when i brush my teeth.Problem is soon after the act she freaked out and said we should buy an over the counter hiv test and we tested at home. She was positive and i was negative. The following morning around 16 hours later i visited the doctors office to discuss my risks and they have immediately put me on Trivicacy 50mg and Ricovir-EM 200mg. I may have touched my penis with vaginal fluids as i was put on the condom and when i was removing it. I am seriously freaking out and cannot wait for three months to lapse to get a definitive result. Please help what risk am i at.

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Re: Panicking and really need help-am i infected?
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2018, 12:31:59 pm »
You had no HIV risk, as in none whatsoever from what you posted here.

I wish you well but your post and fears are so off base that I am going to ask you not to post about this no-risk incident here again, unless you had a real risk to add to what happened.
Nothing you mentioned so far even warrants specifically testing for HIV as it is not how HIV is transmitted let alone PEP. With no disrespect to you but it’s an utter waste that a Doctor gave you PEP and just further stigmatises how HIV is transmitted.

Perhaps your doctor is one of the 12% that incorrect prescribes pep or perhaps you told them something different than you did here or they are giving it to you to curb your irrational fears - who knows. Does not change that what you posted is not a HIV concern. Finish the PEP course now as you started it and I have no idea what you told the doctor.

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Kissing which im not sure if i have sore in my mouth or not as i usually bleed when i brush my teeth.

https://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=68441.0

Kissing is not a risk, brushing your teeth or sores in your mouth makes no difference.  We know how HIV is and is not transmitted after 40 years. The mouth lacks route and the cells to infect , saliva contains no viable HIV, it's hostile towards HIV even . If you want to believe "what ifs" so theoretical but never actually happened in the real world, than if bleeding it would have to be in large quantity, pure and you would need large activity open bleeding wounds of your own.

So unless your partner was beaten to a bloody pulp before kissing and you had a knife wound or some gaping hole to the mouth you simple had no risk. Not even theoretical. If kissing was a risk in any shape or form we would know about it after 40 years and the entire population would be HIV positive it's not.  6 months ago I was at a 30th national HIV conference with leading experts and we discussed why incorrectly after 4 decades of HIV and 30+ years of advanced research , science and education 25% of people still mistakenly think kissing is a risk.  It's not and it's in part I think people misreading information or reading concerns without context.

Kissing is not a HIV risk.  End of story, personally speaking it’s a topic that should belong to the misguided fears of the past and I am shocked generally saddened whenever it is a topic here, or in surveys

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I had put my fingers inside her and had small cuts

Fingering is also not a risk, nobody has ever been infected from fingering ever, you will not be a world’s first either.  If you chopped your finger off and had open bloody stump it may be a theoretical risk (More so to her) as in its never happened but might however your small cuts were not spouting blood over the girl. (You would have mentioned it already if that was the case) Small scrapes or cuts that might seem fresh or open to you are not a direct pathway to the bloodstream or cells HIV needs access to infect. It’s never happened so relax not a concern either.

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It was all protected with a condom and have put water in it to determine any leakage

The protected intercourse was not a concern, HIV does not transmit through an intact Latex or polyurethane condom and if they break they shred leaving no doubt.

Stop testing condoms with water before/during or after intercourse! If you test the condom before you use it this can weaken the condom, making it more likely to break during use. So don't and, also never test a condom after you use it. Instead, immediately dispose of the condom in the bin. Testing the condom after intercourse could damage the condom, as its not designed to be subjected to being filled or reusable like this and doing so could lead you to mistakenly think that the condom was damaged during sex, when in fact you actually caused the damage after the intercourse by trying to "test" it with water. In short, testing the condom yourself before or after use is not a reliable way to tell you anything.

Testing condoms yourself is a stupid myth.

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I may have touched my penis with vaginal fluids as i was put on the condom and when i was removing it.

Also not a risk and to be honest its the most irrational concern so far.

Firstly understand and primary reason this is not a risk is simple because HIV is very fragile and difficult to transmit so much so that well nobody has been infected once it has been exposed outside the human body to air, either sexually or from day to day contact regardless of people touching their genitals, wounds, scrapes, cuts, herpes, objects as long as it was exposed outside the body to air first.

Once HIV has been exposed to the open environment outside the human body regardless of how you touch it, it is not a transmission concern going back to basics that HIV has an outer protein/receptors that are needed to remain infectious this is used to infect human cells and attach to the CD4 cell and they corrodes in contact with air, so leaving the virus no longer able infect human cells.

HIV firstly needs to be present for it to be a risk and in sufficient quantity for it to transmit, it also than needs an effective route, and it must also reach cells which are susceptible to infection. This are the 4 basic conditions needed for a theoretical risk and you met none of them and if even 1 of them is missing transmission can not occur.

Here's what you need to know in order to avoid hiv infection:
Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, every time, no exceptions.

Keep in mind that some sexual practices which may be described as ‘safe’ in terms of HIV transmission might still pose a risk for transmission of other STI's, so please do get fully tested regularly and at least yearly for all STI's including but not limited to HIV and test more frequently if unprotected intercourse occurs

Also note that it is possible to have an STI and show no signs or symptoms and the only way of knowing is by testing.

More information on HIV Basics, PEP, TaSP and Transmission can be found through the links in my signature to our POZ pages, this includes information on HIV Testing

Kind regards

Jim

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Decisions About PEP in the ER Are Not Always by the Book
https://www.poz.com/article/decisions-pep-er-always-book

In one Swiss emergency room, 22 percent of decisions about prescribing post-exposure prophylaxis against HIV did not follow guidelines.
For 12 percent of these visits, the hospital staff prescribed PEP to people who were not considered at risk for HIV. Ten percent of the visits involved people who were at risk for HIV but did not wind up receiving PEP.

To be honest does not surprise me, here are the UK guidelines I'm more familiar with but same thing is seen in the UK https://www.bashh.org/documents/PEPSE%202015%20guideline%20final_NICE.pdf
People being prescribed medication when they had no risk, and just need a therapist to help them past their irrational fears in life. Also engagement with them and explaining safer sex and risk avoidance would be a good idea. Giving PEP unneeded just generates and reinforces further stigma and myths about transmission and fear where none is needed.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2018, 12:52:27 pm by JimDublin »
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Re: Panicking and really need help-am i infected?
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2018, 02:23:40 pm »
Thank you so much. This is the most comprehensive read about exposure and hiv i have ever had in my life.

Cheers.

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Re: Panicking and really need help-am i infected?
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2018, 03:17:01 pm »
You're welcome.
HIV 101 - Everything you need to know
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Transmission and Risks:
HIV Transmission and Risks
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HIV Testing
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Re: Panicking and really need help-am i infected?
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2018, 12:40:22 am »
Hi Moderators,

Once again i thank you for the great job that you are doing in teaching us about issues of HIV, the risks associated and how to live positively with the virus. I hope i am not going to annoy you but am going to ask this anyway because ever since i first posted in this forum, i have been reading lots of posts in this forum many of which i have to admit i have found to be on point and so educative.

I read one of the posts here and one person mentioned that he tested positive after having oral sex and BJ in particular and had cum in his mouth. My question is can one get infected through this route?

Once again bear with me i am learning and in the past weeks i have been of great help to my peers who are so anxious about these things and have managed to convince more people go out there and get tested but at the same time i accept my limitations in knowledge and that is why am back in this forum.

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« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2018, 02:29:29 am »
Giving a BJ is near negligible risk, the odds are small and the conditions have to be just right.  Giving a BJ is the only form of oral that has a risk level

The virus is very fragile, and your mouth without damage lacks the cells (route) to infect and saliva has dozens of protein and enzymes that damage the virus and render it unable to infect. The risk is that semen does contain levels of viable HIV and with damage like open wounds inside your mouth it may offer a route, its rare and so there is no need to run test every time you give a blow job, just get tested the next time you are due for a regular checkup.

Stop reading the "Just tested positive section"

There are people who will claim they got HIV from aliens, no joke and even one guy who claims HIV made his left leg shrink  ;D

Its just stories and stories are not facts, there are many reasons why someone would rather not admit to an exposure or the full truth. Being newly diagnosed is difficult enough time on its own, for some it is a time of struggling with deep fear of HIV stigma, social judgment & self stigma but also  things like sexuality, religion, family, sexual relationships etc etc come into play as well and for others even legal fears.

There is allot of misinformation and stories on the internet and lots of opinions or outdated data that get passed around as facts, We however rely on the latest scientific peer reviewed science for our assessments. This also gets fed back into the poz pages on transmission risks if needed and great effort is put into ensuring the message is clear. 

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To be honest the only advice you should give people is to use condoms and to test regularly for easier to transmit STI's and HIV, everything else let them speak to a doctor or a trained counselor

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HIV Transmission and Risks

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HIV PEP and PrEP
PEP and PrEP

Undetectable
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HIV 101 - Everything you need to know
HIV 101
Transmission and Risks:
HIV Transmission and Risks
Read more about Testing here:
HIV Testing
Read about Treatment-as-Prevention (TasP) here:
HIV TasP
You can read about HIV prevention here:
HIV prevention
Read about PEP and PrEP here
PEP and PrEP

 


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