Very Scared Steam Room Sperm

[MiamiScared]

Can someone tell me if on going diarreah for 2 weeks is a sign of hiv infection? The internet and Cdcgive so many different  bits of info. I was with 2 hiv poz guys and all we did was french kissed alot. Now Im worrited if i may have gotten something  from that. I have had fatigue  diarreah andmental faatigue  poor concentration swollen  glads in my arms andincrease in aooetite. I recently got tested and my results for  Elisa And a Pcr test were both  neg. These situations were within 4-6 week window. Do i need to retest?

Very worried in Miami.

[Andy Velez]

There are a few things you need to know about HIV.

Neither the presence nor the absence of symptoms is ever the way to know about your HIV status. If there has been genuinely risky behavior, which French kissing isn't, getting tested at 13 weeks is how you get a definitive answer about HIV status.

Kissing, French or otherwise, is not a risk for HIV transmission. You need to take the time to read the lesson on this site about HIV transmission. There's a link to it in the first thread in this section.

As for your symptoms, if they persist you should discuss them with your doctor. They have nothing to do with HIV.

There are other STDs out there so if you are sexually active you should regularly have a full STD panel done -- at least once a year and every six months is even better.

Your test result this time is irrelevant because you weren't at risk for HIV in this situation, whether you were kissing HIV+ guys or not. And no further testing is necessary.

Cheers,

[MiamiScared]

Andy I appreciate the email but im  very worried. Not only do i have ongoing diarreah but i have fatigue weekness and mental fatigue. The diarrehea really scares me. Everything I read states hiv causes diarrhea and fatigue. IS this true? When does diarrheah and farigue start to occur with hiv. Im BERY SCARED WORRIED AND TERRIFIED Its going on a month!. It started out with nausea then i developed  sever fatigue where all i wanted to do was sleep I had no energy. Then now i have headaches and diarrhea and fatigue. Its getting worse!  I feel so weak and scared please help. I know you say my exposure wasnt a hiv transmission but there were other guys i  played with as well. Mostly performiming oralsex. Please help

[RapidRod]

Miami, I never had diarrhea. That is why symptoms don't mean anything when it come to HIV. HIV has NO specific symptoms. If you have had a risk then you need to test at 13 weeks past your last anal or vaginal unprotected sex. 

[MiamiScared]

What if I cant wait 13 weeks. Is there another test i can take that will give mre peace of mind sooner?

[RapidRod]

It doesn't matter, you still will need to get your conclusive test at 13 weeks.

[Andy Velez]

I believe you are scared. But that doesn't change any of what I have said to you.

Kissing of any kind including deep kissing is not a risk for HIV transmission. You don't even need to test in relation to those incidents. Whatever is going on has nothing to do with HIV, no matter what your mind tells you otherwise.

You need to be discussing yoru symptoms with your doctor rather than insisting HIV is the issue here. It isn't. No kidding. Nothing you are reporting is in any way HIV specific, but that's not surprising because you weren't at risk in relation to those incidents. This is not an HIV situation. Period.

[MiamiScared]

What about oral sex? Is hiv transmitted easy that way?

[RapidRod]

Oral is not a risk. If you would have read the "Welcome" thread the first thread on the page you would have not needed to ask this question.

[MiamiScared]

My doctor ran a  viralload. Isnt that to check for virus in the blood? I thought  that the only  test to check forhiv was Elisa or Western Blot. It came back under 400 coppies. but its test for virus over 400 copies. If i was experiencing diarrhea and flu like symptoms and it came back non reactive isthat a good thing even it as only been 1 month since exposure?

[RapidRod]

Most times Doctors go by what the patient tells him. If you have a doctor that did a VL for HIV base on French Kissing then you just had you money taken. You don't get HIV from any type of kissing period.

[Ann]

Miami,

You've had what is most likely a false positive viral load result, which is why we do NOT recommend PCR (viral load) testing and besides, it's not even approved for diagnostic purposes for this very reason. False positive PCRs typically come back with low numbers such as yours has. The viral load in primary infection would normally be off the chart.

You did NOT have a risk for hiv infection. Kissing is NOT a risk. Your doctor was rather foolish to run a PCR on you when you didn't have a risk to begin with. Test with an antibody test at six weeks and collect what I fully expect to be a negative result. If you continue to worry, unnecessarily, over kissing, then test again at three months and collect your conclusive negative result.

Ann

[MiamiScared]

Ann

She said anything under 400 was undetectable. Anything over 400 is positive. Mine was under 400. But i fell so sick and all i want to do is sleep and feel so drained with numbness inmy feet nausea and diarrhea and mental fatige. The doctor  never said I was pos infact she doesnt tink its hiv related. Im just asking on here because since im gay and have these weird symptms I tought maybe someone who had similar symptoms could give me some  peace of mind or say no that my symptoms dont sounf liek hiv.

[RapidRod]

Get a new doctor she doesn't know what she's talking about. Undetectable is <50.

[MiamiScared]

no this test shows under 400  i thinkthere are two versions can anyone explain?

[RapidRod]

There are two VL test, but it wouldn' t matter in your case because you didn't have a risk. It doesn't change the point that a VL test was uncalled for.

[Ann]

Miami,

The bottom line here is that people don't become hiv positive through kissing. They get it through unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse or sharing needles with someone who is hiv positive. I've been with a negative partner for over seven years and the ONLY thing we do to protect his negative status is to use condoms for intercourse. Kissing is safe where hiv is concerned because saliva is NOT infectious.

You only need further testing if you've been having unprotected intercourse.

Ann

[MiamiScared]

does hiv cause diarrheah? And is it a early sign or later sign of infection?

[Ann]

Miami,

You're not listening.

You haven't had a risk of hiv infection through kissing.

Stress is a big cause of diarrhea and so are many other things. Go see your doctor about it.

Ann

[MiamiScared]

Well i had other encounters not just he one i told u about but i have been tested regulary so i am asking about this symptom   in general, I aiways use condoms for anal sex its the  other stuff i worry about

[RapidRod]

Then when you see your doctor about the Hersey squirts, ask him. That's what you pay them for.

[MiamiScared]

its not funny  im serious here and yur making lite of my symptoms and questons

[RapidRod]

No, you're just not listening.

[MiamiScared]

Excuse me but  do  remeber when you got sick or u never got ill? Maybe you should try being a little less judgemental and making fun of people when they arent feeling well. I heard you wel and i am asking about   symptoms.

[Ann]

Miami,

Symptoms, or even the lack of symptoms, mean nothing when it comes to hiv infection. We've already told you this, yet you insist on going on about your symptoms. So far you have yet to mention something that is a real hiv transmission risk. It is very unlikely whatever you are experiencing has anything to do with hiv.

If your symptoms continue to bother you, see a doctor. You cannot be diagnosed over the internet.

Ann

[Andy Velez]

I've just deleted your latest thread. Stop starting new threads. If you have another question or comment put it into this thread. That way readers can follow the previous exchanges and you will get more informed responses.

[MiamiScared]

Im sorry thought i as doing it correctly. SoI am still having this diarreah fatigue and muscle joint pain and mu,bness going on for a mobth. Diarreah for a month isnt normal and im so scared. I know dairreah is a symptom of hiv  and so is fatigue so my doc ran hiv  test ad viral load about two weeks ago which were both negative and here i am stil  with these symptoms . Did anyone have these symptoms before getting dianosed? How accurate is a viral load?

[MiamiScared]

numbness in my  toes can that be cmv reticulopathy? And sleep like i havent slept in months,

[MiamiScared]

Can anyone answer please

[Andy Velez]

Yes, I am convinced that you're worried.

BUT, you've repeatedly been told that nothing you have reported put you at risk for HIV. That hasn't seemed to have made a dent in your insisting HIV is the issue. It isn't. No kidding. We've done pretty much all we can for you here.

If your doctor can't find out what's causing your symptoms then get a second opinion. Neither you nor we can diagnose you properly.

All I can say is that HIV is not the issue no matter how you insist to the contrary. Period.

Along with further checking matters out medically you might find it worthwhile to see a therapist or other such professional to address the emotional aspects of whatever is going on.

[MiamiScared]

but does hiv manifest with diarreah?

[Ann]

Miami,

No, it doesn't. And neither is it transmitted via kissing.

Ann

[MiamiScared]

Hey guys hope everyones doing fine. Its ben a while since i been on but was under alot of stress and lost my job back in october then had family illness.

I had a 2 separate  times when i perofrmed oral sex on guys of unknown status. The first guy i   performed oral on   i had a  sore on my lip. He didnt ejaculate in my mout but i was worried the  sore was open I couldnt tell. So I devided to get a hiv Pcr test.  Now waiting on the results, The second was yesterday while i perfored oral sex a guy  ejaculated in my mouth eithout telling me but i tried to spit it up as much as i  could. Im scared i may have  swallowed some. Now what. Do i have to retest again when these results come back? I have been really sick with various aches pains no appetite nausea (real bad) weakness and visual problems. Please help im very scared and worried.

[Andy Velez]

Giving oral is a low level risk, even with ejaculation. It isn't something which we consider needs testing about.

You need to know that the PCR was never intended to be used for diagnostic purposes. Because of its high level of sensitivity it can often yield a FALSE positive. The best thing to do as far as HIV testing is to have a standard ELISA done. The CDC recommends doing it at 13 weeks after a risky incident.

Your anxiety about HIV is something you should be discussing with a therapist or other similar professional. As for your symptoms, talk to your doctor about them.

I still don't see this as being an HIV situation.

[MiamiScared]

even with the open sore in the lip/mouth

[RapidRod]

Even IF you had a sore in your mouth.

[MiamiScared]

please explain to me how someone cant get hiv from a positive person if there are open sores in the mouth while perfoming oral sex on the hiv poz person??

[RapidRod]

What are you calling a sore, cold sore? canker sore? Open wound would produce copious amounts of blood and if that were happening you wouldn't be giving someone a blowjob. There is a difference between a sore and open wound that gushes blood. The body doesn't absorb the virus. Saliva prohibits that from happening. There are no CONFIRMED cases, for transmisson in that manner. There are no documented cases that can say that giving someone head was the only possible way that they were infected.

[MiamiScared]

now i have symptoms i am so fatigued i need to rest all the time. i have on going nausea and weakness. The slighest activity and i need to rest.Friends who are posiive get these symptoms and  im here waiting for the doctors office to ring me up with my hiv test. How long  does hiv take at the begining  before u feel somewhat normal again?

[RapidRod]

Don't know what you have to worry about. You didn't have a risk with the situation you've provided here.

[MiamiScared]

I developed the worst flu  of my life and cant seem to shake it. Back in December had a few encounter of oral sex where i performed. Then i got  the flu from terrible sore throat body aches feverish and no appetite  I thought it cleared up but then i got sick again. I almost fainted with feverishness again the worst body aches head and eye pain and sleepy, I lost my appetite  now this  is going on 2 weeks  Swollen glands and no energy with chest pain.some sweting at night. Guys i just took a  viral load and hiv test  im super scared

[MiamiScared]

hi

please answer above

[ACinKC]

There is no question.

[MiamiScared]

I developed the worst flu  of my life and cant seem to shake it. Back in December had a few encounter of oral sex where i performed. Then i got  the flu from terrible sore throat body aches feverish and no appetite  I thought it cleared up but then i got sick again. I almost fainted with feverishness again the worst body aches head and eye pain and sleepy, I lost my appetite  now this  is going on 2 weeks  Swollen glands and no energy with chest pain.some sweting at night. Guys i just took a  viral load and hiv test  im super scared 
 
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[ACinKC]

There still is no question.  If you have the flu I would go see a dr about it.  I dont know why you would take a VIRAL LOAD test.  You don't have HIV so they have no reason for it. 

[MiamiScared]

Does seroconversion cause a type of real bad flu in some people? I have a very bad flu i cant get rid off and sont feel  noraml all over. I performed oral sex on different persons. When someonbody gets the seroconversion flu how long does itlast and do u ever recover?

[RapidRod]

If you would take time and read the "Welcome" thread and follow the links, you would have known the answers.  The thread that says, "please read before posting."

[MiamiScared]

Yesterday while in the steam room I gave a guy head and he eded up ejaculating out of my  mouth but I felt something hit my eye. I am worried  some of his sperm may have hit my right eye. So I immediatley went to go rinse off but  didnt feel anything sticky. Im worried I mave have been exposed can someone please comment.

[Andy Velez]

You're worrying needlessly. HIV is a fragile virus. Although theoretically it could be transmitted in the manner you have described, in the real world of HIV we know that the only confirmed sexual transmissions of HIV are through unprotected vaginal and anal intercourse.

We do hear from time to time of someone saying they were infected through giving oral, but those cases never seem to hold up under careful scrutiny. Good sense dictates that giving head if you have a gaping new wound in your mouth or extremely poor oral care is not a good idea.

As for getting cum into your eye, IF that actually happened, and even you seem to doubts it actually happened, I've never known of transmission to happen in that manner. Given that you were in the steam room at the time that something you think you felt may just as likely have been perspiration.

I don't see any need for testing nor for further concern.

Cheers.

 

[Ann]

Miami,

I've merged your new thread into your original thread - where you should post all your additional thoughts or questions. It helps us to help you when you keep all your additional thoughts or questions in one thread.

If you need help finding your thread when you come here, click on the "Show own posts" link under your name in the left-hand column of any forum page.

Please also read through the Welcome Thread so you can familiarize yourself with our Forum Posting Guidelines. Thank you for your cooperation.

Don't think you'll be permitted to use this forum to go on and on about symptoms or whatever following your latest NO RISK situation - like you did last time. You'll quickly be given a time out if you do.

Ann