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HIV Prevention and Testing => Do I Have HIV? => Topic started by: dodaca on November 15, 2006, 03:09:57 pm
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Hello folks,
Well I am new here (dont blame my sloppy English)
I'm scared to be get hiv because of this accident (non-sexual) on a bit rainy day:
I was in the city here and while walking with my bike, i turned into a smaller street on the right and at the corner of a house there was a peeing dirty tramp!!! I passed very close beside him, I saw him and was first kind of frighted, but as i moved on and i assume maybe urine or even blood in it splashed on my finger or even mouth. Now I think of it im very afraid because i also have had a cuticle (nail biting) riped hours before, and i think i have a risk because of those dirty or hiv tramps. I cant think clear and i think of going to the doctor...pep or so? but i also read that mucous/broken skin exposure is a very low risk of infection.
thanks for a clear reaction!
bye
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There's not a grain or a drop of a reason for you to be concerned about HIV in relation to this recent incident.
You do need to read the lesson on this site about HIV transmission. There's a link to it in the Welcome thread which begins this section. No one can afford to not know the basics about HIV transmission because this epidemic is going to be around for a longtime to come.
You are worrying needlessly now because you don't know those basics. Read the lesson.
Cheers,
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this was in the welcome thread:
''For example, HIV-positive people with very high viral loads (high amounts of HIV in their blood and genital secretions) may be more likely to transmit the virus to their partners, during unprotected insertive anal, vaginal, or oral sex. The presence of STDs, especially ulcerative STDs, can increase the risk of spreading (or becoming infected with) HIV. Trauma – such as abrasions or cuts inside the vagina, anus, mouth, or on the penis – can also increase the risk of transmission. All of these can increase the per-act risk of HIV transmission.''
So this means my chance of something like hiv would be minimal/non? Is there a number that you sir can tell, because i feel like i'm the only one ín the world who is dealing with this incident (of urine)....
I've also read: oral sex is like much less risky (than vaginal/anal sex) so i can compare it with a cut in the finger or not?
Well i hope to get some ease, because it was a awful thing
Thnx
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You don't get HIV from URINE. Period.....
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this you can you all confirm? suppose a bot blood in the urine?
well ???
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dodaca,
Urine is NOT infectious where hiv is concerned.
Hiv is a fragile, difficult to transmit virus that is primarily transmitted INSIDE the human body as in unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse. There has never been a case of hiv transmission via a urine splash on the street and you won't be the first.
Ann
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HI people
well this is a serious issue to me,
i have been to my home doctor here, and i explained him my accident, it wass very serious for me
so
he said that if hiv would infect me through a small cut/crack in my finger (which i had new that day), the blood would have to come 'higher' from the body, so not from blood in urine.... that is true or not? any professional help from you would be nice...
I keep in doubt but my doctor said this is not a need to worry, but
how everyone would fear it when something like this happens, especially because tramps aren't normal hygiene
so is the chance still none?
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I don't care what your doctor said. This whole incident is in the domain of WHAT IFs and has absolutely no sound basis whatsoever in HIV science. Not the least is that HIV is a fragile virus. It doesn't get transmitted via splashing, and certainly not even remotely in the circumstances you have described.
You need to (re)read the lesson on Transmission which you can find a link to in the Welcome thread which begins this section.
There is absolutely nothing to be concerned about in relation to this incident. What it reveals are fears and prejudices which you have about unfortunate street people. That's really what this is about. We've told you the real deal about HIV here. That's all we can do.
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Hi,
I have had blood from an unknown person on my fresh, like a few minute old hangnail on the top of my finger. This sore was not more than 0.5cm long and it is bleeding when you press it 'hard'. I dont know what is this transmission risk in a percentage... im very anxious, do i need pep for 1 month? please help
thanks people
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Buraze,
Can I ask why you are using different usernames while posting to our forums? Thus far, you have also used dodaca (http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=5772.0)
Please realize that this kind of activity is disrespectful of other forum members, as well as our moderators. People spend a considerable amount of time helping others in these forums. Using multiple accounts is at the very least annoying, if not deceiving and disrespectful of others. It is also against our Terms of Membership (http://forums.poz.com/Terms.htm) which you agreed to when you became a member. This information is also contained within the Welcome Thread (http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=220.0), which you should have read by now. So really, you have no excuse.
You must realize that the answers won't change, no matter how many names you post under.
I would appreciate a reply to this message, and I hope you will commit to using just one account - preferably your original one. If not, you will be banned from further access to the forums.
Ann
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well, im from europe first, my english is not very well, so i didn't know why its not allowed to use multipel accounts,
and i thought if i use a new name i could ask a question, because im very anxious about blood and hiv
few days ago i had this question and its more or less the same as the one before,
now i have flu and how more i think of it, how more doubts i have to get it, i dont want to go to the doctor again
im sorry to use different account, how could i make it right, it is never the intention to harm other or disrespect! i have also read the welcome thread,
your right an sorry again
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Buraze,
For a start, you can go back to your original account. I know you still have the password because I know you logged into your other account before creating the new one. I've disabled your new account. Do not create a third account or you will be banned, no questions asked. And as for why multiple accounts are not allowed, it's because people use multiple accounts to ask the same question over and over and over again. It's a waste of our time.
I've merged your new thread into your original thread - where you should post all your additional thoughts or questions. It helps us to help you when you keep all your additional thoughts or questions in one thread.
If you need help finding your thread when you come here, click on the "Show own posts" link under your name in the left-hand column of any forum page.
Please also read through the Welcome Thread (http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=220.0) so you can familiarize yourself with our Forum Posting Guidelines. Thank you for your cooperation.
Someone's blood on your hangnail is NOT a risk for hiv infection. When you read the Welcome thread as I've asked you to, make sure you click on the link to the Transmission Lesson and read that too.
Ann
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Ok
Can someone tell me why hiv cant be transmitted by mutual masturbation, especially when there is sperm on the penis(foreskin) or on the hand?
Is there here also a (theoretical) chance?
thank you very much
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Mutual masterbation, does not cause a risk of HIV infections. Air exposure and temperature change causes the virus to become inactive. There is not even a slim chance of a theoretical risk.
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You're not listening. At least not to us. You're stuck on the stuff which is going around inside your head. And it has absolutely no basis in HIV science. None whatsoever.
We can only tell you what we know to be so, and urge you to read the lesson on Transmission, a link to which you will find in the Welcome thread which opens this section.
You seem to be filled with feelings right now. Feeling are not facts and you are not an expert on HIV, though you seem to be reacting as if you are.
If you can't let go of this unwarranted fear then I suggest you see a counselor or other mental health professional to discuss what's going on.
Cheers,
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I have visited the docter and he gave me something against depression and antiexy
but last week i really am afraid, because the last weeks i had that thing with masturbation from another and i keep wondering why it is considered not a risk, sounds like hiv dies outside in a fraction of a second/minute
Ofcourse I assume you are experts and no doubt i am a rookie this.
bye
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dodaca,
Hiv is a very fragile virus. Its outer membrane is very sensitive to minute changes in moisture content, pH levels and temperature. Its favoured environment is INSIDE the human body and once it is outside this environment, it quickly becomes damaged and unable to infect. To infect, it must actually latch on to specific types of cells in the body. In order for it to be able to latch on to these cells, not only must it bump into these specific cells by chance, but its outer membrane must also be intact and in good condition.
This is why hiv is primarily transmitted inside the body during unprotected intercourse, or when the fresh virus is injected directly into a vein when injecting equipment is shared between users of street drugs.
Mutual masturbation is NOT a risk for hiv infection. Not one person has ever become infected with hiv through sharing a wank and you will NOT be the first.
Ann
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just curious, but has there ever been research on how long droplets blood with hiv survive in normal everyday environment (air)?
is that more like seconds/minutes/hours?
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dodaca,
Please read the Welcome thread like you've been asked to. In the posting guidelines found there, it tells you to post all your questions in your own thread. Asking questions in other people's threads is called hijacking and we don't allow that here. Keep all your additional thoughts or questions here, in your own thread.
I removed the question you asked in another thread and place it here, in your own thread, which is the only place you should be posting.
There's been plenty of research into what you ask. Hiv is very fragile and it loses its ability to infect outside the human body very, very quickly. I don't think anyone has ever timed it with a stop watch, but we do know that it is rare indeed for transmission to take place via bodily fluids found outside the body.
Ann
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ive another question: how is that fluid called that comes out of your hangnail(0.5cm) when you push hard on it? its not like blood but more white, yellowish
can this crack be a place where hiv enters the body with someone elses blood?
And can you get hiv by nose picking with that same finger?
I a cant get over it...sorry
bye
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is this realistic or not?
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What are you doing, letting someone else pick your nose.
is this realistic or not?
NO!!!
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no, my own nose with my finger, which had a hangnail
duh
lol
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im wondering if the mucous membrane in the nose ,
so that there is permeability for hiv
i wasn't bleeding at that time.
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Are you asking if you can infect yourself, by picking your nose? Dod, you need to really take a break from this forum.
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no im asking could you be infected from touching an environmental surface and after a 20min. nose picking with the same finger (which has a hangnail), suppose there is blood on that surface..
is that realistic or
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dod,
No, it is not realistic. You cannot become infected from touching environmental surfaces and if you would bother to read the Transmission Lesson like you've been asked to, you would already know this.
You have NOT had a risk of hiv infection by any stretch of the imagination. No risk.
Ann
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yes ive read the transmission lesson a lot times and after this im trying to let it go and take the timeout like rapidrod said,
but every time i am worried, think about getting infected by some 'cruel suspicious ones' deliberately, because i travel a lot by public transport/ stations and so,
i know it sounds like stupid, cause i have no unprotected sex
but it is true that blood and so cant infect someone through the mouth (mucous) ? nor hangnail ?
i suppose this are my infection 'routes' that i can imagine myself
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I need a psychologist also right? :-[
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It wouldn't hurt you any.
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what about the question i am trying to ask about routes through the mouth?or hand?
which is more dangerous
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im just very nervous and in what situation or amout would blood pose a risk through the mouth or so to infect,
guys you are great and this place is really of first help to me
thanks!!!!
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If you had the amount of blood in your mouth for a possible exposure, you wouldn't be worried about sex. You would be worried about how many stitches is it going to take to sew up that gashing wound. You don't get infected for having hangnail, papercuts, abrasions, or chapped hands. It just doesn't happen.
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Dodaca ... what surprises me is why you've chosen HIV as the virus you're frightened of catching? Most Worried Wells have some amount of sexual guilt associated with their fears. My point is that there are MANY diseases/viruses which are MUCH easier to catch than HIV ... and with your "what if" thinking, you may be in for a life FULL of fear and anxiety if you don't seek help ASAP. You DO have a choice - do you wish to continue to travel down this road, or do you want to change your direction? It truly is up to you! If you allow fear to control your destiny, it WILL! I wish you the best.
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that is great advice you give me. i appreciate it very much
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Dod....
Here is a good example of how difficult it is to catch this virus....I contracted the virus Jan 1st, 2003 and sero-converted Jan 8th, 2003. I found out that I had the virus March 25, 2003. I had sex with a friend around Jan. 30th 2003 (a month after catching it when my viral load was very high) which was when I did not know I had the virus and my friend swallowed my entire load. Two months later I tested poz and went back to my friend and told him---and we were convinced that he must have caught the virus from me. His test came back negative and he is still negative almost 3 years later. The virus is killed when exposed to air, saliva, and stomach acids. Due to the acidic nature of urine, HIV cannot survive in it. Stop worrying, start living and....
Be Well!
Craig
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I am glad you want to help me and explain things,
but i cant help it i keep 'thinking' it can pass when someone intends to hurt me,
and its a real trouble i think in advance i will be infected with blood of someone
and you say its very unlikely to pass through mouth or eyes and so
i hope it will calm down
THANKS
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dodaca,
Instead of hoping these thoughts will "calm down", I would suggest you seek out a mental health care professional in the new year so you can work on these issues with someone to guide you. You need to do this face-to-face with a qualified person. We can't help you with that here.
You don't have to live with this paralysing fear.
Ann
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and infection is not that easy and if someone has blood it wouldn't infect through my mouth or cuts right?
yes that's a good step i think, Ann
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I know i'm a worrier and suppose it would happen (about that blood)
what will be then?
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Suppose what would happen then?
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well blood comes in my mouth/lip and i will catch this virus or another one
:-\
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We've already told you, that you won't get infected in that manner. You are starting to go beyond the scope of this forum. As Ann has previously stated to you, you might want to get some one on one counseling.
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Hi again, I know im trying to leave this hiv things behind me, but i need your strong advice again
The following incident occured to me:
today i was with a old friend (not a very close one) of mine, long time not seen
AND when we greeted each other he 'stroke' his hand around my new growing beard, so his fingers were around my mouth (not in it)
Later we were sitting somewhere and i saw that his hands had some hangnails, cuts etc.
So I really dont know what to do next, because I have also a sore in my mouth, behind my teeth. which was not bleeding but i think
my friend did have some blood on his hand and that was around or on my lips/mouth!
Its really like destiny for me or something, is this really if blood was involved a POSSIBLE transmission?
so what should I do next?
Im afraid now!
:-[ really
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dodaca, you're done here. We have answered your questions over and over again. Seek out mental help, you are not going to find it here.
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ok
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can feces anyhow carry hiv in it?
Ive read it can when you see blood, but I didnt
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dod,
Neither feces, nor urine, nor sweat, nor tears, nor saliva are infectious. Did you ever bother to read the Transmission Lesson? If you did, you'd know these things.
Ann
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First i have to say im undertaking something to let go these fears, im about to start with my psychologist.
Yet
I ask you one more thing, while i have read transmission is NOT possible of environmental survices.
Now I ve started sport and i have got a large blood blister under my foot, and when i put of my black socks, it was very painful and a layer of skin was gone (about blood i didnt know) and my concern is that other could ofcourse have had blood(minutes before) on there foot when we are going to the showers.
COULD hiv pass there then my large blister, should i ask it my homedocter?
Ow yes
A good 2007 for everyone!
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No, you are not going to contract HIV from a popped blister and getting in the shower. You always have a good chance of getting a case of athlete’s foot.
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Have you read the lessons on transmission and on testing and REALLY absorbed what they have to say?
If you have then you should know the kinds of non-risks you are continuing to ask about have absolutely no basis in HIV science.
Just because your mind may continue to come up with more what ifs doesn't change the facts about transmission. You need to deal with your anxiety about HIV and that is a separate issue. We can't resolve that for you here. For that you need a professional in a private setting and the sooner the better.
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I felt like talking again to you about my worrying on hiv
im having the first therapies with my psyciatrist, because it too much to handle this problem alone, if you can understand
Sometimes (last months) its like I'm destined to contract something through my hangnails, blisters, mouth and so on
your help is still very useful and I hope not to be living with this longer
im even thinking i can be infected from environmental survices, public places while you say hiv dies immediately when in contact with air.
so is there something wrong in my brain?
bye
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Yes, you do have a mental issue--I'm sure there is a technical name, but I'm not a psychologist, so I do not know. Anyhow, these kinds of issues can be very treatable. You have taken the first step by realizing there is a problem and taking measures to correct it. I wish you good luck in that because you deserve to have a much better life that isn't bogged down by anxiety, etc.
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yes
and the most bothering is the info on the internet for me (when i look back at it)
for example they say hiv in blood dies in several hours when exposed to air, but it is to 90-99%
so i think what about the other 1 % particles?
it is surely too detailistic, my this irrational fear
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true?
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HIV is neither alive or dead. It's either active or inactive.
Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.