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Meds, Mind, Body & Benefits => Research News & Studies => Topic started by: chapserol on July 26, 2007, 02:00:52 am
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Hello :) I will post a few links of the articles posted on one of the most respected newspapers in the island in the past three days. This is all very exciting and at the same time very hard to believe but .... why not? Hopefully you can translate the pages since they are all in spanish. I think most if not all search engines have translation tools. I must add and this is only my opinion and I dont know if anyone else thinks the same way I do but I have a very strong feeling that a cure or vaccine for the HIV-Aids virus is out there and for some very disturbing and delicate reasons they are not being allowed to go public. If this doctor in the Dominican Republic says he has cured 52 so far and has proof for every single case/person treated then why not be happy and raise hope. I wish I could keep on writing but I guess its better to read it yourself. Again this is front page news and it has clearly caused many joys to those who believe and as always many denial from those who dont. He has registered the formula in several countries already. I'm sorry im just very excited about this but please read for yourself. This is all being handled by public health and as they said, it will be a long process... But please read for yourself. I dont wish to cause any false hope but as I feel happy for this I would like to share it in this forum.
http://www.elcaribe.com.do/articulo_caribe.aspx?id=131537&guid=8C54B9C002DA4907B19722A04528DA35&Seccion=3
http://www.elcaribe.com.do/articulo_caribe.aspx?id=131549&guid=A6C4C0B4A25B49259ECE1820F32FBF0E&Seccion=137
http://www.elcaribe.com.do/articulo_multimedios.aspx?id=131621&guid=6E40D1F656424A29B40B7BB7092E014B&Seccion=63
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I found this article in a latin american news agency reporting the same news.
http://www.plenglish.com/article.asp?ID=%7B681A6D33-4569-4E76-8F35-7DDEF31EC05A%7D)&language=EN
Santo Domingo, Jul 24 (Prensa Latina) Dominican health authorities reacted cautiously Tuesday to a public announcement of a possible cure for HIV-AIDS made by a Dominican psychiatrist, owner of a pharmaceutical company.
Health Secretary Bautista Rojas reported a commission has been established to verify the scientific rigor of the discovery announced by Dr. Jose Ramon Baez.
Baez, 50, claims to have proven definitive withdrawal of the virus from human beings and offered that the government applies the treatment free to patients in the Dominican capital hospital.
After announcing he has patented the cure in the Dominican Republic and the United States, he expressed willingness to share his knowledge with national and foreign specialists.
If the commission finds the discovery successful it will be submitted for bioethical and pharmacological studies.
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Strange enough, this was not even mentioned in any western news agency...
Anyway, we all pray for such a breakthrough.. but lets wait the results of their ministry commission to evaluate this discovery.
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I don't want to destroy anyone's hopes, but...
UNLESS I don't see any case control studies published in a peer reviewed medical journal, I think this is just another one of those "cure of the month" announcements, which are all too readily taken up by the tabloid press to fill the summer hole.
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Um, yeah, right. ::)
Like Cerrid says, just the latest "cure of the month". Sheesh! The last one came out of ... Tanzania, was it? What a load of poopie-business.
Ann
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If this guy is willing to share his patented knowledge.....it doesn't hurt to hear what he has to say.
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As I said... I have a very very strong feeling the cure is out there and has been for a while but for some very wicked reason we only hear the first reaction news. Im afraid I'll never hear from this again... Does anyone understand what im talking about? I cant even describe the economical benefits of the current hiv-aids treatments and meds that fuel a multi billion dollar industry. I wish someone could agree with me or even better NOT agree with me and prove me wrong. It is very disturbing to think a cure or vaccine is being kept from going public. :-\
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I personally dont think this is another cure of the month....
But I doubt we hear from it again. If that happens then it will just prove what I just posted before this.
I will post right away anything else regarding this event, any new information once it comes out. Guys this Doctor has cured 52 including a very touching case, an 8 year
old little girl that contracted the virus after she was raped. She is now safe.
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Would someone please put the information into a concise and readable few sentiences? I dont have time to plow through all those links.
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Bear60,
It is very simple... it would probably take 30 secs more of your time.
I will transalate an article just released a while ago in the same news paper. For those of you non believers you will read that Magic Johnson the ex basketball player has contacted the doctor even a few days before his discovery came public. The original web link is http://www.elcaribe.com.do/articulo_caribe.aspx?id=131771&guid=59DAF330E4054183AAA86DC5B1E354A7&Seccion=3
Reactions
It creates commotion in the world
National and international mass media, as well as readers of The Caribbean in different parts of the country and the world have followed with attention the version of which the doctor siquiatra Dominican Jose Ramon Báez Acosta found the cure of AIDS
By Valenzuela Robert / The Caribbean
Thursday 26 of updated July of the 2007 to the 1:37 A.M.
The information that in the country has been the cure of AIDS has transferred the borders, creating diverse reactions beyond the limits.
Reputed international agencies of the news they have become echo of the information. Readers of The Caribbean send their commentaries from different parts from the world, even ask on the form to contact the "inventor" of the medicine that alegadamente cures AIDS, doctor Jose Ramon Báez Acosta, to take a patient.
Others, with relatives affected by the disease, call by the telephone route to this newspaper to try to arrive to where the doctor.
In order to put an example, late in the Red program "Al Rojo Vivo" of the North American chain of the news Tele Mundo an ample news article with testimonies of several people spread yesterday who affirm that they were ill of AIDS and that with the injections of doctor Báez Acosta they have been healed.
The doctor-siquiatra explained that by the commotion of the press in Europe, he received the call of a company of London interested in his discovery.
The Magic Johnson
One of the famous people who have approached doctor Báez Acosta is the ex- super star of professional basketball of the NBA Earvin Magic Johnson, who communicated by the telephone route with the doctor.
Magic retired of the basketball after which the doctors diagnosed to him that he was carrying healthy of AIDS.
Nevertheless, the communication between Johnson and the Dominican doctor took place several months ago before it came to the public light the existence the cure on AIDS.
----- I translated the page using babelfish from altavisat.com but I know google also has a translation tool. Translating complete web pages does not come out very accurate. Some sentences do not make sense at all but most of the content does.
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This doctor received the "cure" in a dream from God. He then tested it on several pigs and a donkey before giving it to his patients.
using a quote from another forum:
"Desperate people turn to miracles and unscrupulous people take advantage, and a few well meaning nut cases believe they are really talking to gods."
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Chaps.......I still dont understand what the "cure" is ....even after your translation.
Leatherman....I was kind of expecting that. Its sad that unscrupulous people take advantage of us.....or try to.
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Im sorry guys but Im in no way trying to take advantage of anyone, why in the world...?
I understand that if Im wasting your time then I dont have a reason to keep on writing or posting about this.
Seriously some of you have to be a bit more optimistic ... and ther is no need for the word unscrupulous, do you even know what it means? If you do then try saving it to insult someone that is not trying to simply let some people know of any new possible discoveries. I personally dont think I deserve to be called unscrupulous... Lets not insult please, i dont see the need for it.
If anyone is at all interested then please let me know and I will keep posting if anything new comes up.
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This doctor received the "cure" in a dream from God.
That alone leads me to believe that this is just another witch doctor.
Rich
(who believes that people who hear messages from gods need to be on anti- psychotic medication)
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Is it just me or do we get one of these exotic AIDS cure threads every month here?
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Chap,
I'm curious - why are you interested? Are you positive and considering trying to obtain this "cure"?
Ann
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If this is a possible cure... I wonder if the pharmaceutical companies will either try to buy it... or squash the press about it... the pharmaceutical industries make more money from effective lifetime treatments than finding a cure... its not in their best interest...
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Hi, Heres the translation - found this on a forum - forum.randi - a skeptics forum
Commission will visit Báez
Doctor affirms to have cured to 52 ill people of AIDS
By Roberto Valenzuela/the Caribbean
Wednesday 25 of updated July of the 2007 to 1:54 A.M.
DIVINITY. Doctor Báez Acosta assures that he received a message of God in his discovery against AIDS. (Juan Almánzar)
Rojas baptist Go'mez “the Commission will have to settle down the rigor of the discovery”.
Enriquillo Matos “the process to follow is to put it in practice by means of protocols”.
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A governmental medical commission will today meet with the doctor-siquiatra Jose Ramon Báez Acosta, who announced the discovery of the cure of AIDS, with which alleges to have healed to 52 people.
The encounter is pautado for the three of afternoon in the residence of the famous doctor, and there the experts will analyze scientifically the tests that say to have Báez Acosta, whose affirmation has caused a great commotion in the public opinion.
Siquiatra showed the Caribbean legajo of notarized deeds with the names, certificates and the companies of each one of the 52 patients, where certifica who each one was affected of AIDS and who soon it has been healed. It maintains that in addition to the 52, there are other 15 patients who are in treatment process.
Although it showed the names and the certificates of each one of the patients it understands that he is not ethical that those data are published in the press.
It relates that the most stirring case was the cure of a girl of eight years and that to the seven years was violated and infected with AIDS. “Now it embraces to me and it says papa”, told to me.
The discovery arose, according to narrates, four years ago when it had a revelation of God, that drew up to the guidelines giving him the formula to him to elaborate the medicine that cures AIDS. It indicated that this is made up of two chemical elements and one natural one, but did not offer more details.
It explained that, firstly, by mandate of God, it tested to two pigs and an ass and that was surprised of the success achieved with the animals.
The selection of the patients to whom is applied to them to the treatment has made it Christian shepherds in the sectors the Alcarrizos, the Guaricanos and San Luis.
The treatment to the patients is done applying 12 injections to them, one every three days, “and in 36 days they are cured”.
The skepticism and the cuestionamientos on the finding of the cure of AIDS make the rounds everywhere. Many medical friends, companions and colleagues of Báez Acosta refused to think on the subject, but they raised in private its incredulity.
“He does not put to me please in that mess, I have already seen so many things in this country that are lies that I prefer not to think”, an important and influential doctor said.
Others offered declarations with much caution, but soon outside record they said: “here between us, I do not believe in that, that is a triviality”.
Several clinical laboratories and organizations that work with the patients of AIDS refused to talk about to the subject.
“I have not discovered anything, I I am cure-crazy person. Here they are used to saying to him crazy to everybody. That I dreamed it, does not fit doubt to me that was God that me said it, I gold much. I listened to a strong voice that said the formula to me whereupon AIDS is cured”, said Báez Acosta.
One Long trajectory of services public
With 74 years of age and more than 50 dedicated to the medical and social work, it is characterized for being a kind person.
He is Christian-evangelical and proud in saying that to the poor patients who it attends he gives the three blows them: the priest, gives the medicine to them and he gives the passage them.
He was the first receiver who had the capital after the death of Rafael Leónidas Trujillo, was medical commander of the Revolution of April.
“I am not scared to him to bullets nor to anything, only to God, fuí I the medical commander of the Revolution”, said Báez Acosta, in relation to that there is been receiving threats by the telephone route. He is proprietor of a medical laboratory and a doctor's office to take care of the patients siquiátricos.
Nevertheless, already she is his daughter, Francis J. Báez Sanchez, the one that is in charge to take care of the doctor's office and to make the program of television that during long time his father did. Francis is also a doctor-siquiatra very reputed. The house of that family had a strong cord of security yesterday.
Diverse reactions on the announcement
Rojas baptist Go'mez
“The Commission will have to establish the rigor of the discovery”.
“Public Health is in the spirit to collaborate with doctor Báez Acosta and for that reason we designated a commission so that it meets with the doctor and it offers all the collaboration that is necessary. The Commission will have to establish the rigor of the discovery, from the scientific point of view. In case of settling down the veracity of the discovery it will be put under the department of Bioética”.
Red Go'mez is secretary of Public Health.
Francis J. Báez
“Papa is a professional, a doctor who studied scientifically”.
“It is good that people know that papi is not a healer, this is not a concoction. Papi is a professional, a doctor who studied scientifically like the other doctors and the investigators. What has is a product, not a concoction. They are injections that become like other medicines, becomes in a laboratory like other medicines.
Francis J Báez is doctor-siquiatra, daughter of Báez.
Enriquillo Matos
“The process to follow is to put it in practice by means of protocols”.
“A protocol Is necessary to fulfill everything later to say that we have or nonsuccess in any space of application of a medicine. The process to follow everywhere of the world when any medicine is discovered, vaccine, is to put it in practice by means of protocols to see the complications, to see the success levels that can consider”.
Enriquillo Matos is president of the CMD.
Jose Ramon Báez,
“This has been a wood, you you imagine what is to cure AIDS”.
“It does not matter, that says what they want, here they are the papers, the tests of the best laboratory of this country that is the one of Amadita. This has been a wood, you imagines to you what is to cure AIDS. No of the powers has been able it to cure, leaves in the press that him has gone away of the hands and every day having died more people: because the antirretrovirales that they give do not cure”.
Jose Ramon Báez is the author of the discovery
Mark86
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How did this guy "cure" two pigs and an ass of hiv when the only animal who gets hiv is the human animal?
They don't call it HUMAN Immunodeficiency Virus for nothing, you know.
The only ass I see is Dr. Jose Ramon Baez. The people he claims to have "cured" probably never had hiv in the first place, just like his two pigs and an ass.
Like I said earlier, what a load of poopie-business. ::)
Ann
(God told me in a dream to say that)
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It explained that, firstly, by mandate of God, it tested to two pigs and an ass and that was surprised of the success achieved with the animals.
LOL! is it only me? "2 pigs & an ass!" LOL - the translation also adds to it!
Seriously, im keeping an open mind on this. some clever stuff were discovered in strange ways!
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Chaps, let me apologize for the misunderstanding. I didn't mean to imply that you were one of those "unscrupulous people".
There are three types of people mentioned in that quote:
1) "well meaning nut cases" - I believe this doctor to be one of those. Even though I was reared as a Baptist ;) , I'm still open-minded enough to let people believe in whatever gods they want to. However, IMHO nobody's god is speaking to them, much less in a dream. Why would this be the only illness that God would send a cure for, when there are so many in this world?
2) Then there's the "unscrupulous people". Mainly this is the media who put the hype to the stupid things in the world - showing us the latest drunk celebrity or miracle cures based on no true research. These days, it seems anything goes to get that 15 minutes of fame.
3) Finally, there's us (actually anyone with a disease), the "Desperate people". Who among us hasn't for a spilt second at least dreamed that we could be miraculously cured of HIV? If I was granted one wish, that's exactly what I'd use it for. ;)
Personally, having been terribly ill for many years (though I'm doing great nowadays), and having lost my partner to this illness, I have gotten this far by NOT being a "desperate person". Nor have I been pessimistic (though at times I have to admit I was close), or even optimistic (it's a bad virus and it's going to be tough to get a "cure" for this thing). Instead, I've been realistic. I read up about all the meds, and I discuss all these issues with my doctor, partner, and friends. I've stayed alive, not hoping for a cure, but actually enjoying and living each day right now.
I applaud you for having the optimism to hope that a cure will be found soon; but I have lived with this too long, and it's caused me too much grief, to believe a cure will be found in my lifetime. However, if a cure should come about, I believe it will come through scientific research not from a dream, nor a god.
As I said, I didn't mean to imply anything about you, except perhaps to list you in with myself and all the other sick people in the world who would "desperately" like to be cured. :D
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Hey- Just because the information found isn't in a US controlled study doesn't mean it's not legitimate... or other CONTROLLED studies for that matter... but why be so negative :(... and how can you be so sure its not legit? I enjoy this forums funny quirkiness at times but geez... how depressing it can be. I worked for a pharmaceutical company and know how our system works... its got issues to say the least... anything heavily money driven does. All this guy was doing is throwing some information out there found in the news... I for one appreciate it. Thanks buddy. Its all hope... and I hope it's legit and the US takes notice. God told me to say this ;).
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Here is a follow story from the same newspaper, http://www.elcaribe.com.do/articulo_multimedios.aspx?id=131903&guid=67BDCA1790C64759A63A2B77A92507B4&Seccion=63 .
It's in Spanish, of course, but here is a quick summary.
1) Claims to have cured 52 people with AIDS, and 15 more should complete the treament soon
2) His treatment is not authorized nor does it have any permission from the Public Health department at this time.
3) He says "I don't care if I have authorization or not, the patients are giving me their consent, and my only interest is curing them".
4) He is convinced that he was touched by god so he could carry this cure to reality.
5) He does not know what the 12 injections of his treatment do exactly to stop the action of the virus in the immune system, but "what is a fact is that it kille HIV. That is definitive"
6)The Public Health department is carrying out a scientific investigation in order the determine the nature of the treatment on the patients."
7) The Punblic Health department has not closed down his treatment center yet because they want to take due care, in case there is something of merit with the treatment. Their priority is to identify the substance being used in the treatment.
8 ) This doctor has 50 yeas of public service and assures that the application of the formulation eliminates the virus from human beings.
9) The composition of his treatment, designated Humo Ts has (in Spanish, I don't know how to translate these exactly:
- aminoetil, benceno, dial aspamina, aminas reductoras, triperpenos y esteroides.
10) The treatment method is on 10mg injection every three days
11) Side effects are fever and anemia
Naturally we all hope this doctor is on to something, but this is a usual "wait and see" case, with a healthy dose of skepticism in the meantime.
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I think the most amazing thing in all this story is God appearing in a dream...It seems that not even the Pope or mother Teresa of Calcuta are so lucky and close to God as this Dominican Dr. is...amaaaazing ;)
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Leatherman:
I completley understand your position in all this and more because of the way we are all living today, life today has become about solid facts and people have lost spiritual hope. To be honest it is very hard to believe in what we cant see. All I can say is the we all must have a tiny little bit of hope with things of this nature and try to be more optimistic.
J220 :
Thanks for posting that article up... I was about to that but was kind of busy earlier :)
user Sunzidog said:
"I worked for a pharmaceutical company and know how our system works... its got issues to say the least... anything heavily money driven does."
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Is it nor surprising you have not heard from this news yet...? I mean obviously more than 50 have been cured , 15 on the way , and 500 on the waiting list.... Why then has this news not reached many. Think abou the impact to those powerful pharmaceutical companies around the world. Im my opinion I think its a good thing this doctor is very religious and has said NOTHING will stop him from treating HIV infected people. I guess it all depends from the angle we view things....
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Announcing cures without scientific evidence is not the act of a bone fide scientist.
The clue here is the use of Pigs and Donkeys as animal test subjects instead of the standard efforts to work at least first In-Vitro to determine the affect on HIV, then, if it is something worth pursuing, proper animal trials with animals that can be infected with HIV, such as rat and monkeys once again in a strictly observed scientific process.
Lastly, and not to cast aspirations to those of faith, generally Scientists are not likely to be talking about having visions granted to them by God as a reason for scientific discovery.
While I'm always just as eager as the next person to have the "cure" be handed to us, this is in the end about a virus and a path of scientific discovery to unlock its secrets and develop treatments and hopefully a cure.
Lastly, it is relatively easy to fall into the view that the faceless drug companies are "holding out on us". There are lots of dieseases that have no cure with HIV being one of them. Feeling persecuted by drug companies has more to do with how one feels about the world around them. Some see conspiracy, I see an army of dedicated scientists working hard to find a way to treat and to cure this diesease. So have a bit of faith that the PHD's, some of which I know, are wonderful dedicated hard working and really smart people.
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The problem with big pharma are not the scientists, but the board of directors and shareholders who only think $$$$$$$$$$$, just like any big corporation.
No one is blaming doctors, pharmacists or scientist. it the "corporation" that runs the business that is a fault.
just my opinion
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Agree with pozattitude...
some of us have no idea of what money can do. It is pretty wicked out there
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The only thing that is scientifically proven to stop or treat HIV is HAART. But I am sure the process of science will prove if this is fake or has any merit. I agree with this "Announcing cures without scientific evidence is not the act of a real scientist." HOWEVER i wanted to search around on google for myself in science articles. Science knows about many of these compounds and is actively studying them for anti-hiv properties.
"The triterpene, mimusopic acid, possessing the novel migrated oleanane skeleton, mimusopane, exhibits anti-HIV reverse transcriptase activity and modification of this novel compound may lead to more potent bioactive substances."
This post seems like a hype of hope but I visited Dominican Republic two years ago and they were great and my poz friend there who was american from usa got his HAART HIV meds free and Dr. visits practically free. So the Dr. were very compassionate he said. Well Dominican Republic is a great windsurfing location and if you go stay at Ali's Surf Camp for only $25/night including breakfast AND dinner. Lots of mistquitos though and baseball players. There are three airports and cheap flights from NYC.
About this so called "cure"... i am curious about what they say is in the article ... so i did some digging...
This is what they say is in the injection according to the report...
"aminoetil, benceno, dial aspamina, aminas reductoras, triperpenos y esteroides"
I used google to translate it and found these words... these are just the bare words they mentioned in the article. we have no idea what the secret compound is he thinks he discovered by god.
aminoethyl,
benzene,
aspamina dial,
reducing mines,
triterpenes
steroids
triterpenes immediately triterpenes jumped out at me so i looked up***
so i looked up Terpene in wikipedia... and it turns out that it was used in past as "antifungals, antivirals, and antibacterials." "Turpentine has been used medically since ancient times... some still contain some turpentine (e.g., Vicks). Internal administration of turpentine is no longer common today, though it was once the preferred means of treating intestinal parasites due to its antiseptic and diuretic properties."
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=triterpenes+antiviral&btnG=Search
Several triterpenes with antiviral activity have been isolated from plant sources. Most. of them have the lupane skeleton
-Antiviral lanostanoid triterpenes from the fungus Ganoderma pfeifferi
-Evaluation of the antiviral and antimicrobial activities of triterpenes isolated from Euphorbia segetalis.
-Lupane Triterpenes and Derivatives with Antiviral Activity synthesis of new derivatives of betulin betulinic acid.
-new antiviral agents exhibiting mechanisms of Molecular structures of some triterpenes active against HSV Herpes simplex viruses
-"Mimusops elengi Linn. (N.O. Sapotaceae), a tree indigenous to India, has a long history of being used in traditional medicine. The primary compounds of interest in this plant are the triterpenes and triterpene glycosides. The triterpene, mimusopic acid, possessing the novel migrated oleanane skeleton, mimusopane, exhibits anti-HIV reverse transcriptase activity and modification of this novel compound may lead to more potent bioactive substances." http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=13441139
Terpene - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Triterpenes consist of six isoprene units The linear triterpene squalene, the major constituent of shark liver oil, ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terpene
Triterpenes The linear triterpene squalene, the major constituent of shark liver oil, is derived from the reductive coupling of two molecules of farnesyl pyrophosphate. Squalene is then processed biosynthetically to generate either lanosterol or cycloartenol, the structural precursors to all the steroids.
Triterpenes
Triterpenes frequently exhibit bioactivity as antifungals, antivirals, and antibacterials. These products are typically white to off white crystalline ...
http://www.naturnorth.com/Triterpenes.htm
They are the major components of resin, and of turpentine produced from resin. The name "terpene" is derived from the word "turpentine" Because triterpenes are available from birch bark in significant amounts, many of these compounds may be economically viable in a number of applications. ORAL TOXICITY Study Dose Level: 5,000 mg/kg for female rats. i guess i would say it is only toxic in large amounts if a rat can eat 5 grams. "Extracting betulin (a terpene) from birch bark and producing betulinic acid for medicinal purposes represent exciting potential uses for this otherwise wasted resource from Minnesota’s forest products industry."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turpentine
Turpentine has been used medically since ancient times.
* Applied externally to the affected areas, turpentine is a highly effective treatment for lice.
* Turpentine can be mixed with animal fat as a primitive chest rub for nasal and throat ailments. Many modern chest rubs still contain some turpentine (e.g., Vicks).
* Internal administration of turpentine is no longer common today, though it was once the preferred means of treating intestinal parasites due to its antiseptic and diuretic properties.[citation needed]
(isn't Vicks rubbed on the lymph node area of the neck?)
also
benzene
benzene an aromatic resin known to European pharmacists called "frankincense of Java."
Toluene can be used to break open red blood cells It is an aromatic hydrocarbon that is widely used as an industrial feedstock. What is "industrial feedstock.??" do they feed this to animals???
benzene
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzene
The word benzene derives historically from "gum benzoin", sometimes called "benjamin" (i.e., benzoin resin), an aromatic resin known to European pharmacists and perfumers since the fifteenth century as a product of southeast Asia. "Benzoin" is itself a corruption of the Arabic expression "luban jawi," or "frankincense of Java." An acidic material was derived from benzoin by sublimation, and named "flowers of benzoin," or benzoic acid. The hydrocarbon thus acquired the name benzin, benzol, or benzene.
1890 the German Chemical Society organized an elaborate appreciation celebrating the twenty-fifth anniversary of his first benzene paper. spoke of the creation of the theory. He said that he had discovered the ring shape of the benzene molecule after having a reverie or day-dream of a snake seizing its own tail This vision, he said, came to him after years of studying the nature of carbon-carbon bonds. This was 20 years after he had solved the problem of how carbon atoms could bond to up to four other atoms at the same time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toluene
Toluene can be used to break open red blood cells in order to extract hemoglobin in biochemistry experiments.
methylbenzene or phenylmethane, is a clear, water-insoluble liquid with the typical smell of paint thinners, redolent of the sweet smell of the related compound benzene. It is an aromatic hydrocarbon that is widely used as an industrial feedstock.
*** terpintine is somehow chemically related to testosterone i read somewhere and i found when i was young that those sweaty men always reminded me of woodworking and the shop where we had terpintine .
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elcaribe.com.do%2Farticulo_caribe.aspx%3Fid%3D131771%26guid%3D59DAF330E4054183AAA86DC5B1E354A7%26Seccion%3D3&langpair=es%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools
aminoetil and virus diethyl aminoethyl
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=aminoetil+virus&btnG=Search
The Effect of Eukaryotic Expression Vectors and Adjuvants on DNA Vaccines in Chickens Using an Avian Influenza Model David L. Suarez, Stacey Schultz-Cherry Avian Diseases, Vol. 44, No. 4 (Oct. - Dec., 2000), pp. 861-868doi:10.2307/1593058 in birds given larger amounts of DNA, and with the use of multiple injection sites to administer the vaccine. With the use of the pCI-neo construct, the effects of different adjuvants designed to increase the uptake of plasmid DNA, including 25% sucrose, diethylaminoethyl dextran, calcium phosphate, polybrene, and two different cationic liposomes, were examined. Both liposomes tested enhanced antibody titers as compared with the positive controls, but the other chemical adjuvants decreased the antibody response as compared with the control chickens that received just the plasmid alone.
aminoetil and antivirus
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=aminoetil+antivirus&btnG=Search
triterpenes+antiviral
http://www.google.com/search?q=triterpenes+antiviral&hl=en&pwst=1&start=10&sa=N
triterpenes antiviral hiv
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=triterpenes+antiviral+hiv&btnG=Search
My over all feeling is there are many anti-viral properties here listed and science should and IS already studying these compounds further but this doctor must submit to rigorous scientific examination of this substances.
here is a french paper that jumped out ...
Triterpenes from the spores of Ganoderma lucidum and their ...
Two new lanostane-type triterpenes,lucidumol A and ganoderic acid ß,Actividad biológica; Antiviral; Inhibiteur enzyme; ..
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=1640651
Chemistry and biology of the triterpenes and saponins from seeds ...
The primary compounds of interest in this plant are the triterpenes and triterpene ... Human immunodeficiency virus; Antiviral; Antiviral; Antiviral; India; ...
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=13441139
Indian Institute of Chemical Biology, 4 Raja SC Mullick Road, Jadavpur, Calcutta-700 032, INDE
Mimusops elengi Linn. (N.O. Sapotaceae), a tree indigenous to India, has a long history of being used in traditional medicine. The primary compounds of interest in this plant are the triterpenes and triterpene glycosides. The triterpene, mimusopic acid, possessing the novel migrated oleanane skeleton, mimusopane, exhibits anti-HIV reverse transcriptase activity and modification of this novel compound may lead to more potent bioactive substances. Moreover, the saponins present also demonstrated to be antifungal against some human pathogens. The compounds isolated, characterized and bioactivity evaluated are presented in the form of a review.
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The hustlers are a bargain too! And really large cocks. I went twice once within 2 months of each visit. I even made pornographic portraits of Luis Alberto in the Oscar de la Renta designed interiors of the Hotel Santo Domingo.
Fond memories!
*sigh*
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Thanks bimazek for that post. Obviously this doctor has to know what he's doing. Whatever that last and natural ingredient is he says its a secret lets hope it does its job and apparently so far it looks like it is. Im sorry but Im staying optimistic with this because SOMEDAY a cure must come out. Everybody here knows its been a long time since the first cases of infection... Its about time. I know soon we will all have an answer to our prayers/wishes. ::)
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So i'm curious as how he knows the patient is cured? Does he do a WB and it's negative? Does Elisa go negative too? Because now if that also suppresses the antibodies, that's amazing. Or does he just ask the patient if he feels good?
It would be nice to know how he tests someone positive and use the same test to show that the person is negative.
Milker.
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Why would God tell him to make an AIDS cure a secret? That's not an act of a loving person.
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He has been treating very ill HIV infected people ALL of them have been correctly diagnosed with HIV-AIDS through blood tests sent to a local lab that is internationally certified , the web link for that lab is:
http://www.lab-amadita.com/index.php
Everything is being done by the book. No need to say he re-tests the patients after he has completed the treatment.
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Well to certify this, the lab would have to confirm DNA match from the positive and negative blood. Where are those reports?
Milker.
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Philly, I guess he's protecting himself... Think about it. This is no ordinary discovery.
Milker, I have no idea...How could I know. I guess the lab must work all that out. The Dr. says he has proof of every single case, results of before and after.
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crazy talk
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So there is a doctor that found a cure for HIV. He cured 52 people. There are 3 million+ people in the world waiting for this cure. The doctor says God told him about the cure. Why is the doctor not showing the actual proof using normal tests? Did God tell him to restrict the cure to 52 people?
The usual answer is that normal tests don't actually show the cure because they are not showing the "real" hiv infection. The problem is that the base line uses normal tests to prove an HIV infection, then the normal tests are discarded to prove the disinfection.
chapserol I have no doubt that you feel there is something true about those claims, but I cannot imagine someone sane finding a real cure and not proving it to the entire scientific world. Hiding how the cure works is not the problem, hiding the tests is.
Milker.
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Who said he was hiding anything? ???
anyways lets just wait and see, hope and wish this is it. If not then life goes on ;)
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Who said he was hiding anything? ???
you did
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....obviously this doctor has to know what he's doing.
How on earth do you know this??? Give me a break....sure, I hope this is for real, but I put this on the same category as when Iran announced they had the cure.... my money is that this doctor is up for retirement after his 50 years of "stellar" public service and found out his pension is short, and came up with this to make some quick bucks...you also keep saying unequivocally that this guy cured 52 people, and you don't know this for a fact either. When the so-called reputable lab he is using puts out some solid data to confirm this then I'll feel different. But until then, as much as all of us hope for good news like this, there is optimism, and then there is delusion.
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you did
Assist for Chapserol ;)
My understanding is the doc is willing for the scientific world to check out his 'work' by putting it thru std protocols - but, like any other pharmas, he will not reveal the formula -he is obvioulsy looking for some people to put some money in his business.Think about it no company ever does - they patent their work which is what the doc has done. Do we rubbish medication from US pharmas just because the producers hide the formulae? - No, we accept it as long as it has gone thru standard protocols.
The "told by God" thing may just be a decoy. My impression is it saves him answering a lot of questions at this point. A bit like some voodoo priest who calls upon spirits and sacrifices a chicken (or possibly "2 pigs & an ass" :D) before he gives u some herbs that contain pain-killing agents to cure your headache. When you get well you'd start worshiping him, or at least think about it, and not the herbs.
Let the claim be scientifically checked out then we can pass judgement.
On a slightly different note, wasnt it in the same country that another psychaitrist (psyhologist?) claimed to have found the cure using "the right" stem cells but refused to have work verified? what happened there?
dennis
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chapersol, just to let you know, I don't share your optimism about this cure and i don't share your pessimism about the drug companies.
Its not enough to say board rooms and money are in fact suppressing a cure for aids. I'm not saying that drug companies are saints. They do act in their own self interest.
But the company that finds a cure, will reap untold billions in revenue. Its not about stringing us along, if you have the cure, your going to put it out there as soon as possible because of the money it will generate.
The idea that a cure will essentially be self defeating for the drug company is actually false, there are a lot - millions - of people infected with HIV, it is going to be around for decades even with a cure. And, one cannot count on a "forever" cure. I believe if a cure is found, it won't work for everyone, There will also be mutations that will work around the drug, that is more or less a fact of all "bugs". For example, what are doctors worried about today? Super Clap / Highly drug resistant Gonorrhea because no one is working on a new antibiotic, we are down to the last one.
And what do you think how people will behave if a cure is announced? Its going to be one hell of a party, just like the 70's and 80's before the troubles. And that of course means, more types of HIV, HEP A-C, HPV, Herpes, Syphilis, Clap, NGU, Flu, Intravenous/Blood born diseases, the list goes on and on and on.
So while we hold board rooms in contempt, think about the money to be made with a cure and that it is going to be still a decades long battle against HIV and all STD's.
meanwhile, thanks to all that incredible research done by bimazek! whew! And I thought I was quick with the internet.
My view is, this news is nothing until it is proven to be something. I wouldn't even think twice as something to get my hopes up. It really is just nonsense for this type of stuff to be looked at with goo goo eyes, because a country doctor with his pigs and donkeys and 52 pickup patients are "cured". Geez give me a break. (sorry chap! I tried to be nice, but really, your pushing a false hope.)
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Dont worry about it...
as I see it we are all in the same side. Sorry if you say Im pushing false hope, thats not and will never be my intention. Sometimes it's really sad to sit down and read in this forum.
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Sometimes it's really sad to sit down and read in this forum.
How so exactly? Because some people are shitting liquid turds in their underwear all day from meds and we dare to discuss it?
We have AIDS and sometimes it's not pretty. That's the reality. You've posted 12 times all in "Research News and Studies" and have been participating for three days. Why don't you join in another section and introduce yourself?
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Well said Philly...
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How do you spell charlatan?
I think I can smell one - if you don't know what it is - look it up on Google
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Thanks for posting this research news. I appreciate hearing about all research developments. That includes reports with one person being successful. 5, 15, 52 successful outcomes...all the better.Also, share the failure stories. Fine tuning, adjustments come with the territory of frontier efforts.
The test of the spotlight is on. Lots of questions but that doesn't negate the potential benefit that this unorthodox research, exploration may discover. Hopeful that the Dominican health authorities are going to assess the outcomes, protocols.
Some of us have a high standard for getting our hopes triggered. I am hopeful that someone responded in the context of a poor country to attempt to assist people who might otherwise be left to die, denied state of the art medicine, the progress which we are benefiting from but which too many are still denied because of the costs of the drugs, lack of health care infrastructure, poverty.
Thanks again. A subset of us appreciate the sharings.
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Best case. A non toxic, minimal side effects, cheap and unpatentable treatment will be discovered.
And this doctor, he may surprise us....he never set a price! could be he will insure that its affordable to the poor worldwide. That would be a good surprise.
I imagine that BIG Pharma already has agents on the island checking out this development....carrying an offer to buy the patent and development rights.
Great movie material...and what a great ending...an effective cheap, unpatentable drug, easy to produce, and available worldwide. I still dream and hope. Feed me clues. Thanks.
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Best case. A non toxic, minimal side effects, cheap and unpatentable treatment will be discovered.
And this doctor, he may surprise us....he never set a price! could be he will insure that its affordable to the poor worldwide. That would be a good surprise.
I know some western "civilized" country that could bomb the DR into oblivion should they insist on providing the treatment cheaply to the poor worlwide.
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Matty the Damned knows he'll be condemned for looking askance at that standard of medical science in developing nations, but he has to ask the question.
Why is it that HIV "cures" are only ever discovered by alleged doctors working in countries like the Dominican Republic or Ghana? Matty the Damned got a B for science when he was in 4th Form and thus is most likely qualified to practice medicine in the DR.
All the reputable advances against this virus have been discovered and developed in the first world, but we're expected to believe that cures are being developed in laboratories and clinics where chickens are running around in the waiting rooms.
Oy!
MtD
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Why is it that HIV "cures" are only ever discovered by alleged doctors working in countries like the Dominican Republic or Ghana? Matty the Damned got a B for science when he was in 4th Form and thus is most likely qualified to practice medicine in the DR.
All the reputable advances against this virus have been discovered and developed in the first world, but we're expected to believe that cures are being developed in laboratories and clinics where chickens are running around in the waiting rooms.
MtD
I have to say i agree with this...
Wish we all could be realistic, otherwise some of us might fall into the arms of a new type "denialist".... the optimistic ones (who can communicate with God freely).
I also agree with milker, if there is a cure in this, has to be proven by strict scientific procedures. Including western blot, and long time trials to see if the cure is definitive or the virus re appears after some time. It is not an easy nor a short path... it might take more than five years... so i guess to be "over optimistic" at this time would be too much for a cure that might not past the last test in the 5th year. Got it?.
I prefer to think about the new ARVs that are about to be launched :) They are almost ready.
Juan Carlos
(Who is latin and have heard THOUSAND times people saying.. "I am meeting a Dr who has a cure".... and then see them going to ID doctor with CD4 of 12 and Tuberculosis and million other things... welcome to the reality of the third world)
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All the reputable advances against this virus have been discovered and developed in the first world, but we're expected to believe that cures are being developed in laboratories and clinics where chickens are running around in the waiting rooms.
Oy!
MtD
Matty,
Yes the developed countries have the best labs & equipment but science isnt always about that. Eg advanced folks had problems surviving in the jungles of south america because of malaria & all they had to do in the end was ask the locals about the remedy and bingo they "discovered" quinine. Africans used vaccinations way before the civilised world did and they brought the idea during slavery.
Having money and the best labs only means you are more likely to make and explain discoveries than someone who hasnt. You can sit in the lab and make all kinds of discoveries about malaria and eventually develop some wonderful treatment but that does not stop the native south american from simply pointing you to the curative natural herb without any scientific explanation of how it works. If it works it works whether it is from the slams of Timbukutu or from some posh labs of the "first" world. My only indicator is whether it has been proven to work or not. I dont care where the treatment will come from. Some knowlege do not require expensive labs and white dust-coats.
LOL @ B in science - well done. U should write more often - this forum needs some light-heartedness.
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philly267 :
Maaan... whats wrong with you?? Everybody here has problems but you really really like to pour it all out on your posts dont you. I feel like talking to you like I would do to a 9 year old about respect and being nice to people. Please just chill a bit will you?
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Maybe Magic offered financial protection from the big pharma if the conspiracy theories are true. You know to make sure it reaches the people it needs to. Just a thought.
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Updated 7:45 AM | Sunday, July 29, 2007 | Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic News
July, 29 - 2:23 AM
“Miracle” AIDS cure doctor accused
Santo Domingo.- Patients who used to use retro-viral treatment for HIV/AIDS and switched to Dr. José Ramón Báez Acosta’s treatment, say that although all medicines have side effects, nothing compares to the doctor’s controversial treatments. It emerged recently that the doctor claimed to have “cured” 52 AIDS patients .
Redovih, the Network of People Living with HIV says that they have asked the Santo Domingo prosecutor’s office to look into the doctor’s treatments, and that he respond to accusations that his treatment had harmed a ten-year old girl.
<!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--><!--[endif]--> “We made the complaint a month ago, but it hasn’t been dealt with and this is not the only case, other people have been affected and they are also taking their cases to court” said the institution’s lawyer Daniela Soto.
Epidemiologist Zulema Cruz said that the common side effects of HIV/AIDS treatments included dizziness, headaches and vomiting, diarrhea, allergies and mental confusion, but that symptoms are usually light and only last for one or two weeks. Some patients exhibit no symptoms whatsoever.
In contrast, people with HIV who underwent Dr. Báez Acosta’s treatment said they had suffered serious health problems.
Former patient Inovis Yuderka Torres said that although she had signed a document, she did not realize she could suffer adverse effects..
“After just one injection I had fever and dizziness for 15 days, they had to change the medication I used to take before going to that doctor, because I was very ill”, she said.
Redovih director Dulce Almonte says that the popularity of Báez Acosta’s practice is due to the lack of government will to do anything for people with the virus, which leads them to seek desperate solutions.
Some 6,000 people receive free medication provided by international organizations. These drugs have a market value of between RD$1,000 and RD$10,000 per month.
Báez Acosta’s treatment consists of 12 injections and is provided free of charge. His experiment does not have the approval of the competent authorities, and the Public Health Ministry has sent an investigative commission to look into his practice and deliver their findings on Monday.
The Pan American Health Organization (PAHO) described the fact that an unauthorized trial has been made public as irresponsible.
“There has not been any bioethical authorization from any health authority, and we call on the authorities to investigate. We only know about this thanks to the media” said PAHO representative Cristina Nogueira.
UNICEF's delegate in the Dominican Republic Tad Palac also condemned the practice.
Dr Ramón Báez Acosta says that he did not care about not having Public Health Ministry authorization. “The notarized authorizations from each patient that authorize me to administer the drug and cure them is enough for me”.
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My comments:
The test of the spotlight is underway. I remain hopeful that something(s) positive will come out of this bold effort. I see the effort as a desperate move in a desperate context. Reminds me of the renegade Compound Q trial conducted by Project Inform and supported by ACT UP Golden Gate and PWAs in San Francisco during a very desparate time with limited/treatment options. We failed. It felt good to do something. It served notice on the government that desperate people will not be passive. It added to the momentum for system changes leading to earlier access to potentially life saving treatments.
Another bright spotlight needs to focus on the tens of thousands of Dominicans who have no access to treatment. Our scientific progress has bypassed them. This may change. This is a desperate situation for many and a desperate response. Some of the outrage directed toward Dr. Baez Acosta could also be directed toward the lack of access to medications. At the least mention the desperation of sick and dying people.
Also, some standard treatments started out as experimental. And, thanks to Bizmaek for researching some of the ingredients in the Baez Acosta protocol... which showed some potential of acting on HIV.
Our current research system can be improved. There are potential low cost, unpatentable treatments gathering dust because they aren't profitable. Some combinations of treatments have still remained unstudied because of pharmaceutical ownership and perogative to make, or not make them available.
That some people are having problems is not unique to the Baez Acosta effort.Risk is a given. No excuse if they were not informed of such and given post treatment monitoring. I remember friends participated in clinical phase 1 trials because drugs had theoretical hope and they didn't pan out and these friends who were desperate died...for us. The desperation continues...just not here.
Access to medication may effect ones perspective of what is tolerable in terms of risk and protocol standards.
And some of our progress came from efforts "outside the box" of the academic and pharmaceutical AIDS complex....the "Berlin Patient", pioneered treatment interruption, his doc wrote up the successful experience of this single patient, got it published, and momentum gathered for an examination "strategic treatment interruption" in the context of the available toxic treatments. Despite the SMART Trial results, treatment interruption continues to be studied...there are many ways to do treatment interruption, and there may be subgroups of PWAs who might benefit from it.
I am hopeful that someone, in this case Baez Acosta, responded, in the context of desperation instead of just counting the casualties. The spotlight on him, might get shifted to the desperation in the poor countries....which would be a helpful outcome.
Finally. Lipodystrophy and "buffalo hump". Who knew? The FDA failed to count the number of buffalo humps. Shocking when we initiated a meeting at the FDA in DC and found that we knew as much as they did and there was NO UPDATE from the FDA...they had no count on humps reported, nor the drugs the patients had experienced.The potential for computers to more easily monitor side effects had yet to be realized.
There is a treatment challenge to improve monitoring and reacting to the surfacing of side effects ..are we going to capture them early? what will they be? is the system in place to capture the experience of we guinea pigs...not as desperate as we used to be but for those of us who have experienced side effects it will not be shocking if something(s) surfaces with the recently released treatments. What? When? How many before its noticed? Do we assume the FDA has its act together on side effect monitoring? Other options to monitor side effects that may surface?
Positive or negative. Hopeless or resentful. Helpful or harmful. Cases can be made for each reaction. Multiple perspectives because of diverse realities.
It would be helpful if we could share our perspectives in a more respectful way.
Thanks for sharing.
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philly267 :
Maaan... whats wrong with you?? Everybody here has problems but you really really like to pour it all out on your posts dont you. I feel like talking to you like I would do to a 9 year old about respect and being nice to people. Please just chill a bit will you?
Chap,
What both I and Philly were getting at is this - are you or are you not hiv positive? You completely ignored my earlier questions to you.
The thing is, unless you are hiv positive, you should not be posting in any forums here except for the Am I Infected or the Off Topic forums. That's just the way it is around here - you don't have to like it, but you do have to abide by it.
Ann
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Epidemiologist Zulema Cruz said that the common side effects of HIV/AIDS treatments included dizziness, headaches and vomiting, diarrhea, allergies and mental confusion, but that symptoms are usually light and only last for one or two weeks. Some patients exhibit no symptoms whatsoever.
In contrast, people with HIV who underwent Dr. Báez Acosta’s treatment said they had suffered serious health problems.
Former patient Inovis Yuderka Torres said that although she had signed a document, she did not realize she could suffer adverse effects..
“After just one injection I had fever and dizziness for 15 days, they had to change the medication I used to take before going to that doctor, because I was very ill”, she said.
Smooth,
First of, good attitude & analysis.
I still hope they look into it. Obviously the treatment was not well researched but they might learn something from it.
What I want to know is inspite of the adverse effects, did anyone get rid of the virus from their system? It's 12 injections right? - so someone must have gone the whole stretch inspite of everything. Cose if someone did, this would be better than certain early treatment. This reminds me of a couple of 3rd world treatments that had partial success but were binned because the guys in charge did not follow protocol.
Im getting used to such news now. A bit like playing the lottery - you know will loose your money but you play anyway, not neccessarily that you hope to win, but in case your numbers come up. So i will keep looking @ these claims with an open mind.
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Chap,
What both I and Philly were getting at is this - are you or are you not hiv positive? You completely ignored my earlier questions to you.
The thing is, unless you are hiv positive, you should not be posting in any forums here except for the Am I Infected or the Off Topic forums. That's just the way it is around here - you don't have to like it, but you do have to abide by it.
Ann
Dear Ann,
How can you be so discriminative? Whether the guy has HIV or not is not related to "Research and Study". And I am SOOOO surprise that you are a Moderator!! Frankly speaking, you are NOT doing right on your job!!!. There is enough discrimination in the world, how come you create another!!
>:(
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haha,
for your info, from the posting guidelines of these forums:
With the exception of the “Am I Infected?” and “Off Topic” Forums, the AIDSmeds.com Forums are intended for people who have been diagnosed with HIV (or their loved ones/caregivers). If you are questioning or unaware of your HIV status, please refrain from posting messages or questions in the Forums intended for HIV-positive people.
nothing personal there
Pat
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Sometimes it's really sad to sit down and read in this forum.
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Hmmm..seems like all those in favour of "insisting" that a "cure" is found in DR shares very similar number of posts together each. Maybe, just maybe, it's the same song remixed by the same artist. Guess it reckons, if it keeps rapping the charts, it may just hit a spot!. ::)
Now now people, play nice ....
Inhale, Exhale...Ommm....there!. Doesn't that feel more like a cure? ;D
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Dear Ann,
How can you be so discriminative? Whether the guy has HIV or not is not related to "Research and Study". And I am SOOOO surprise that you are a Moderator!! Frankly speaking, you are NOT doing right on your job!!!. There is enough discrimination in the world, how come you create another!!
>:(
The reason we like to keep this particular forum for hiv positive people only is so we don't have to wade through loads of "cure" threads posted by people who feel they're bringing important, just-breaking news/information to us poor aids victims.
We do, of course, make exceptions for seronegative individuals who bring us honest-to-goodness, peer-review scientific studies and research and who generally follow our forum posting guidelines.
Ann
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"benzene
benzene an aromatic resin known to European pharmacists called "frankincense of Java."
Toluene can be used to break open red blood cells It is an aromatic hydrocarbon that is widely used as an industrial feedstock. What is "industrial feedstock.??" do they feed this to animals???"
Just one small point about this supposed "cure" -- it appears to contain benzene, which is categorized as a hazardous and toxic substance by the U.S. Envrionmental Protection Agency. The same is true of toluene. For your information, an "industrial feedstock" has nothing to do with feed for animals. A feedstock in this sense is a type of hydrocarbon that is blended with others to produce fuel. This is NOT the kind of thing you want to ingest. Benzene may well have medical applications, but if it does, I'd certainly want to be sure that before taking anything that contained benzene, the product had been carefully studied and approved by the FDA or a similar agency.
Jut my two cents.
John
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A few facts about benzene from EPA:
http://www.epa.gov/safewater/dwh/c-voc/benzene.html (http://www.epa.gov/safewater/dwh/c-voc/benzene.html)
And a bit about toluene:
http://www.epa.gov/ttn/atw/hlthef/toluene.html (http://www.epa.gov/ttn/atw/hlthef/toluene.html)
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July, 29 - 2:23 AM
“Miracle” AIDS cure doctor accused
Santo Domingo.- Patients who used to use retro-viral treatment for HIV/AIDS and switched to Dr. José Ramón Báez Acosta’s treatment, say that although all medicines have side effects, nothing compares to the doctor’s controversial treatments. It emerged recently that the doctor claimed to have “cured” 52 AIDS patients .
Redovih, the Network of People Living with HIV says that they have asked the Santo Domingo prosecutor’s office to look into the doctor’s treatments, and that he respond to accusations that his treatment had harmed a ten-year old girl.
“We made the complaint a month ago, but it hasn’t been dealt with and this is not the only case, other people have been affected and they are also taking their cases to court” said the institution’s lawyer Daniela Soto.
Epidemiologist Zulema Cruz said that the common side effects of HIV/AIDS treatments included dizziness, headaches and vomiting, diarrhea, allergies and mental confusion, but that symptoms are usually light and only last for one or two weeks. Some patients exhibit no symptoms whatsoever.
In contrast, people with HIV who underwent Dr. Báez Acosta’s treatment said they had suffered serious health problems.
Former patient Inovis Yuderka Torres said that although she had signed a document, she did not realize she could suffer adverse effects..
“After just one injection I had fever and dizziness for 15 days, they had to change the medication I used to take before going to that doctor, because I was very ill”, she said.
Redovih director Dulce Almonte says that the popularity of Báez Acosta’s practice is due to the lack of government will to do anything for people with the virus, which leads them to seek desperate solutions.
Some 6,000 people receive free medication provided by international organizations. These drugs have a market value of between RD$1,000 and RD$10,000 per month.
Báez Acosta’s treatment consists of 12 injections and is provided free of charge. His experiment does not have the approval of the competent authorities, and the Public Health Ministry has sent an investigative commission to look into his practice and deliver their findings on Monday.
The Pan American Health Organization (PAHO) described the fact that an unauthorized trial has been made public as irresponsible.
“There has not been any bioethical authorization from any health authority, and we call on the authorities to investigate. We only know about this thanks to the media” said PAHO representative Cristina Nogueira.
UNICEF's delegate in the Dominican Republic Tad Palac also condemned the practice.
Dr Ramón Báez Acosta says that he did not care about not having Public Health Ministry authorization. “The notarized authorizations from each patient that authorize me to administer the drug and cure them is enough for me”.
http://www.dominicantoday.com/app/article.aspx?id=24878
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...there will always be opposition groups. Besides the fact that sometimes drugs dont react the same way with everybody. From what I read two or three people are complaining from the side effects of his formula. maby you can think of it as a product that needs improvement but at the same time we must ask ourselves then why are 52 claiming they are cured not only by the doctor but by the patients who all seem to love him and also whats going on with that 500 on a waiting list? Lets keep monitoring the newspapers for the current 15 on the treatment. What else can I say..? Enything of this nature must take time and I agree must go through strict procedures before any final decisions are made of whether its safe or not, works or not..... you name it. Lets see what happens. If nothing happens then its too bad.But if this is what some of us hope it is then.... just imagine. Again until then we will just have to wait and see.
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Chap,
Are you ever going to answer the quite reasonable question put to you by Ann and Philly? Are you HIV positive? If not what's your interest in all this?
MtD
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Sure I could answer that. But what diff does it make ? I believe this is not about me but more about what I think is some very interesting news... atleast to a few. If I
would have liked to write about myself I obviously would not have posted on Research news and studies. Not to be mean like some have been but when ever I do get
the urge to write about myself I will make sure to let you know.
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and also whats going on with that 500 on a waiting list?
The fact is that Miss Cleo had way more than 500 on her waiting list..
There are religions, beliefs, ancestral customs or financial situations that make western medicine and/or healing not possible for many, whether they live in the Dominican Republic or in New York City. Many take advantage, knowingly or not, of those situations. When money is involved it's usually a scam. When it's free it's usually ancestral experience, herbs and possibly voodoo calls.
Many cures have been discovered using plants or natural resources. Quinine was mentioned as a cure for Malaria. It happens that Malaria has very clear symptoms, whereas HIV has no symptoms. You can physically see that someone feels better after being treated for Malaria, you cannot physically see that someone has gone from HIV positive to HIV negative.
So yes, this doctor's herbs/treatments may cure HIV, but how does he know, that's all I'm asking.
Milker.
PS: Quinine was never used to cure Malaria by the locals. They were already immune. The Malaria cure was a "side effect" discovered by Europeans.
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what diff does it make ?
The moderator already informed you of the difference. Perhaps you should simply answer.
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Sure I could answer that. But what diff does it make ?
The "diff" it makes, is the moderators respectfully request posters follow basic guidelines. You obviously think the rules don't apply to you. Funny how you think we should listen to a supposedly respected doctor while you ignore a respected moderator of this forum.
I've lost count of how many times I've had the latest "cure" breathlessly explained to me by some all-knowing person, both pos and neg. My beef with those who start announcing this news like it's gospel is multifold. First, it's nice to hope, but too many people would like to see a miracle cure around every corner rather than doing the hard work of taking antiretrovirals, worrying about safe sex, reading about real research, and the rest of that crap. Constantly announcing the "cure" encourages junk science, or lack of discretion, not hope.
Second, if you bother to read the thread on the UKC closing you'll realize we're in need of real support. People living with HIV do need hope. And a lot of other things. Why not do something that will really make a difference, like volunteer or donate money, rather than waste time posting the latest cure-of-the-week? If you follow HIV research (not that this qualifies in any way) for a millisecond you'll realize this news story is as unusual as George Bush mangling syntax.
One DR doctor saying he's cured AIDS? Ho hum.
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The "diff" it makes, is the moderators respectfully request posters follow basic guidelines. You obviously think the rules don't apply to you. Funny how you think we should listen to a supposedly respected doctor while you ignore a respected moderator of this forum.
I've lost count of how many times I've had the latest "cure" breathlessly explained to me by some all-knowing person, both pos and neg. My beef with those who start announcing this news like it's gospel is multifold. First, it's nice to hope, but too many people would like to see a miracle cure around every corner rather than doing the hard work of taking antiretrovirals, worrying about safe sex, reading about real research, and the rest of that crap. Constantly announcing the "cure" encourages junk science, or lack of discretion, not hope.
Second, if you bother to read the thread on the UKC closing you'll realize we're in need of real support. People living with HIV do need hope. And a lot of other things. Why not do something that will really make a difference, like volunteer or donate money, rather than waste time posting the latest cure-of-the-week? If you follow HIV research (not that this qualifies in any way) for a millisecond you'll realize this news story is as unusual as George Bush mangling syntax.
One DR doctor saying he's cured AIDS? Ho hum.
Ulong,
Matty the Damned awards you the Post of the WeekTM -- and it's only Monday! :-*
MtD
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I've lost count of how many times I've had the latest "cure" breathlessly explained to me by some all-knowing person, both pos and neg. My beef with those who start announcing this news like it's gospel is multifold. First, it's nice to hope, but too many people would like to see a miracle cure around every corner rather than doing the hard work of taking antiretrovirals, worrying about safe sex, reading about real research, and the rest of that crap. Constantly announcing the "cure" encourages junk science, or lack of discretion, not hope.
Thank you.
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Ordinarily I would have PM'd you about this but since you have elected to you use the Forum I am responding to you more publicly as well.
Chap, it's a very simple matter to e mail the staff of this site if someone who's HIV negative believes they have vital information to share with those who are HIV positive.
So for you to decide it's ok for you from the heights of your finer knowledge to ignore the rules of this site smacks of arrogance to me. And dishonesty as well since you refuse to indicate whether you are HIV+. Ordinarily that information would be totally your own business to choose to reveal or not. It only becomes a factor because you have flouted the rules of the site.
We've been down this cure road many, many times through the years. And whether you like it or not, this latest episode has very familiar markings of more phonus balonus. It's patently insensitive of you to stir the cure pot in this same way yet again with such flim flam support.
Yes, affirmative possibilites can evolve in unexpected ways, but there is absolutely thus far no solid documentation available of this doctor's work which would support his claim or yours.
Further, for you to go off on Ann is way out of line. It's arrogant for someone who's a newcomer here and therefore hardly aware of the work she has done here for years.
Get off of your high horse. And as for your having had a "feeling" for a long time that a cure is "out there," feelings aren't facts. Neither personally nor in relation to this "cure" have you produced the goods. And that's not a feeling on my part. It's a fact.
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Oh, praise from both MtD and Philly in one day (or night?) Be still my beating heart. ;)
Crap, I think Andy just beat me out for for Post Of The Week(tm). Oh well. It's only Monday. I can keep trying.
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:D jajajaja oh my god this is hilarious! :D ::) I think from now on ill pass up on writing and just sit and read some of these posts they are so absurd but kindA amusing @ the same time.
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Chap,
To help you along with your pledge of silence, I'm giving you a seven day time out. I hope you learn some manners and respect before you return - if you return.
Ann
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chapserol, thanks for your sensitivity to other members of the board as well as two moderators. Fairly stunning work for someone who just registered five days ago and has 16 posts. But then again you're posting in a thread where you're advocating completely unethical and outrageous behavior from a medical doctor. He's not just a quack, but a quack with a degree.
So feel free to laugh at the entire board while you advocate the medical abuse of 10 year old poor girls in 3rd world countries. It's really, really a sad thing to hear, especially because I've visited the Dominican Republic numerous times, love the people, have had a multitude of Dominican boyfriends in the US and find the abuse of their position of not being able to attain HIV treatment and thus desperate for quackery horrific.
Go take some sensitivity training.
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Yup, pretty obvious it's the same tired song replayed by the same artist. Think this artist is Milli Vanilli; they from the DR , no?
Thanks Ann for changing the channel, was just about to smash the radio to bits. ;)
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Good call Ann, thanks for looking out for all of us. J.
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My pleasure. ;)
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Yup, pretty obvious it's the same tired song replayed by the same artist. Think this artist is Milli Vanilli; they from the DR , no?
LOL !! Very good analogy LOL :D :D :D :D :D
Milker.
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wow, I just spent 20 minutes of my life reading this string...I'm not sure whether to be pissed that I'll never get them back, glad for the free entertainment or appreciative of the level-headed responses of some of the more mature members of this forum. I guess I'll just ponder that and keep reading....
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Looks like the good old reverand doctor has been shafted already.
Spanish link: http://www.clavedigital.com.do/Noticias/Articulo.asp?Id_Articulo=16718 (http://www.clavedigital.com.do/Noticias/Articulo.asp?Id_Articulo=16718)
And a google translation of 1st 3 paragraphs:
Santo Domingo, DN (Dominican Republic). - The professor of Techniques of Scientific research, Juan Takings Olivero Figuereo, considers out of proportion, inadequate and morally irresponsible, the handling given by the secretary of Health Publishes, to seize the invention, to close the laboratory and to put under justice to the medical investigator who said to have the cure of AIDS.
Olivero runs in that the civil employee had to consult before coming, to his would not consult legal, but to an institute of scientific researches to prove the variables of doctor Ramon Báez Acosta, who announced to be able to end this disease.
Also, after a note sent to Digital Key, it made a call to the Medical Institute of Scientific researches of Cuba so that they take part in this case, the one that it catalogues like a problem that affects the humanity.
And ooooh - they are calling Cuba! ("It's getting hot in here..." ;))
Seriously, I agree with the Olivero dude. Stop him in case he harms any more people, then scientifically checkout his "oil" for any benefits then close him down if need be, thats what I say.
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Santo Domingo, Jul 24 (Prensa Latina) Dominican health authorities reacted cautiously Tuesday to a public announcement of a possible cure for HIV-AIDS made by a Dominican psychiatrist, owner of a pharmaceutical company.
A psychiatrist finding a cure for HIV-AIDS? sounds strange to me :-\
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terpenes were used in 1863 by Dr.s -- for anti-viral bacterial effects
I agree with Philly67 that if this Dr. in Dom. Rep. hurt young children that is completely unethical and unscientific but i do hope that the secret formula is tested in animals in usa or europe and that the formula is not distroyed, science works on evidence. Find evidence do tests in glass dish in mice in animals first.
I also think that newly infected people like me see the word cure and it is irresistable to be attracted because of fear of meds and side effects and because denial -- i think it is a form of denial or anger-denial-barganing...
denial-barganing causes the mind to think... "if a cure is found then i do not have this disease anymore" it is kind of part of denial-barganing a type of last hope ... i have only been reading these boards a year and i am already getting tired of seeing new claims from 3rd world about a cure, but i still get hopeful, it is human, i think if it was 5 years or 10 years in future for me and i saw it i would be pissed and such...
I did not post this in that other tread because i did not want to give it more credibility, and this info stands alone as anti viral , anti bacterial from the 1863 time frame, i think in those days alot of diseases were difficult to treat and a "chemotherpy" approach
where yes they gave people a poison and it suppressed but did not eliminate the disease and the person lived longer and did not have as many bad symptoms but eventually died but perhaps got years of extra life... things like syphalisis or even gonherea or any infection or many other things would be treated with terpenes
patients would live longer than if the disease ran its course
kind of a "chemotherpy" approach not so dissimilar to how cancer is treated today
with many bad effects from the treatment
"Características y dosis del fármaco El nombre del fármaco es Human TS, con fórmula molecular C11H8NOo2Beta d-Cb-H12O6CNH2ND11C30H48. El nombre sistémico 4-2(aminoetil), benceno-1,2 dial aspamina, aminas reductoras, triperpenos y esteroides, azucarados reductores y aminas, Explicó que es una ampolla de 10 miligramos" computer translation.............
"Characteristics and dose of the drug The name of the drug is Human TS, with molecular formula C11H8NOo2Beta D-Cb-H12O6CNH2ND11C30H48. The sistémico name 4-2(aminoetil), aspamina benzene-1,2 dial, reducing amines, triperpenos"
http://foro.univision.com/univision/board/message?board.id=vih_sida&message.id=13373
regarding terpenes... i am not saying that a terpene molecule is a treatment for hiv, no, no, no but in past , before antibiotics were discovered it looks like they were used, it looks like MDs tried to treat people with diseases with similar molecules and scientists are now studying many terpenes and perhaps one molecule with a terpene part may have some benefit in future if proved by science and just like early azt was not that great, more complicated and specific molecules may be discovered that are related to a terpene molecule, so lets find out exactly what this MD thinks he has... and thank god it is not 1869.
turpentine medical uses
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=turpentine+medical+uses&btnG=Search
http://medherb.com/cook/html/TEREBINTHINA.htm
The Physiomedical Dispensatory by William Cook, M.D., 1869
TEREBINTHINA Properties and Uses: The gum turpentine is a relaxant and stimulant, warming to the taste, and sometimes used in sluggish conditions of the uterus, vagina, and kidneys. The oil is a diffusive and exciting stimulant, arousing the stomach and circulation, Any considerable dose, may occasion burning of the stomach, scalding urine, strangury, irritation of the kidneys and bladder, painful looseness of the bowels, and even bloody urine. Sometimes it promotes perspiration and the catamenia. The principal uses are for worms, in doses of from five to ten drops. For catarrh of the bladder and lungs, and for gonorrhea, it has been used; It is commended as an antispasmodic and laxative in colic, and pin worms; for which purposes half a drachm is mixed with starch, and given as an injection. Wonderful powers have been attributed to the agent in a large variety of maladies, and at different periods in the history of medicine it has been lauded as almost a panacea; but certainly the above array of ill effects from it, shows it to be a very suspicious remedy for either internal or external use.
turpentine medical antiviral
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=turpentine+medical+antiviral&btnG=Search
Porcher* provided the following uses of turpentine in 1863:
"Turpentine is now one of the most uniformly employed of remedial agents. It is quite surprising to how great a diversity of conditions it is applicable. All these depend, however, upon its natural properties. As an external rubefacient, a stimulant, and astringent, a stimulating diuretic and laxative, it admits of frequent application. Wilson states that the oil of turpentine is almost a specific for spasm in the bowels of the horse. *Surgeon Francis Peyre Porcher listed uses of turpentine and rosin products in 1863, including medical uses. He considered the longleaf pine one of God’s great gifts to man. pp 176 **Excessive internal use of turpentine could be deadly.
http://www.kramerize.com/turpentine.lasso
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/8929/cures.html
from Forgotten Medical Cures
Goose Grease & Turpentine: When I was a little girl my mother would save the grease from a goose and when I would get a chest cold she would take some of the goose grease and turpentine and heat it up and rub on our chests. Then she would heat a piece of a woolen blanket and wrap around our chests. As near as I can remember it would break up the chest cold. Diane McGee
My Mother was raised on a turpentine plantation. It seems that was the only medicine they had .It was used for cuts, burns, colds, you name what ever was ailing you and they would bring out the medicine bottle. Jinx Dopson
My grandmother used to prescribe a dose of turpentine and sugar for a sore throat. I certainly wouldn't advise it today, but there is a legitimate treatment sometimes prescribed by doctors, called turpenhydrate and codeine. Obviously the codeine part is a narcotic, but the turpenhydrate is surely a derivative of turpentine. Anyway, it tastes just as foul as the original. John E. Bowles
obviously do not try any of this at home
erpenes are also being studied now by usa science and one is known to be a non-nuke.
but if terpene is an active ingredient in Vicks vapor rub, and i always remember how good that felt on my neck when i had a problem as a kid
Vicks vapor rub-- what is active ingredient?
vicks comes from this time of the 1890s or so and came from a tree resin or tree sap or fluid which is how terpenes are harvested
sometimes i have painful and slightly swollen nodes in my neck
has anyone ever tried putting Vicks vapor rub on the neck to ease this feeling of congestion painful and slightly swollen nodes in neck ???
regarding... aminoetil computer translation "On the aminoetil: "the toxic properties of any amide must consider itself carefully before initiating his use or exhibition. The inhalation of dusts or steam of these products also must be avoided. He would be desirable which the exposed people to amides were put under periodic medical examinations, paying special attention to the operation of the liver and the nervous system." http://www.cinterfor.org.uy/public/spanish/region/ampro/cinterfor/sid/servicio/enciclop/tomo4/104_04.pdf
can someone who speaks spanish read this 48 page report about aminoetil's and figure out what they are talking about, this report lists about 900 different aminoetil's or aminas whatever they are?? is etil = ethyl? in english???
i just read in the report that some of these molecules in studies in 1950s cause "neuropatía periférica" which to me is peripheral neuropathy. So this substance is kind of the same boat we are in now but there are 900 different ones listed.
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amida seems like amidas is something nasty like chemicals does anyone know the translation? of this page?
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Bim,
I've merged the thread you started into the already existing thread whose subject you are talking about. Please try to keep topics together.
Ann
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Bim,
I've merged the thread you started into the already existing thread whose subject you are talking about. Please try to keep topics together.
Ann
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QUELLE SURPRISE... why was this not posted yet? Seems this "doctor" (term used losely) was raided and shut down by Dominican police:
Dominican police investigate psychiatrist who claimed he cured patients of AIDS By Jonathan M. Katz ASSOCIATED PRESS (http://go.sosd.com/servlet/nrp?cmd=sty&cid=RIM&pgn=1&ino=1231075&cat=World&lno=8)
3:35 p.m. August 2, 2007
SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic -- Dominican police shut down the laboratory of a prominent psychiatrist and former Santo Domingo mayor who claims he cured more than 50 people of AIDS by injecting them with an unknown substance, prosecutors said Thursday.
Police raided the lab of Jose Ramon Baez Acosta on Wednesday after receiving complaints from former patients, said Luisa Matos, a spokeswoman for the Santo Domingo Province District Attorney.
Investigators seized samples of the formula dubbed “Uman TS,” medical equipment and two pigs and a donkey that Baez Acosta was apparently using for tests, Matos said.
Baez Acosta, who served as mayor of the Dominican capital in the mid-1960s, did not return phone calls to his office seeking comment. Last week he told the newspaper El Caribe he had cured 52 people of AIDS, and that God revealed the treatment to him in a dream.
Pan American Health Organization representative Ana Cristina Nogueira said Thursday that public health officials should track down AIDS patients who may have been hurt by the serum or who stopped other treatments because they believed they were cured.
“Every now and then these people appear saying there is a cure,” she told The Associated Press. “It is difficult to control that when it goes out in a newspaper.”
Baez was not arrested or charged, but prosecutors are investigating with the aim of bringing him to trial, Matos said. Health officials ordered an immediate stop to the treatment.
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There was an international Herald Tribune article as well.
Is it worth moderator's perhaps inserting a sort of editorial comment alerting readers of such updates in opening posts of such threads?
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see end of post... The Shamans of Amazon say that there is nothing better ...
a friend called and he was at store and i said 5 min ago... hey pick up some vick vapor rub for me
he just brought it over and i looked it has
Terpenine Oil as one of the ingredients
i put some on my nodes in my neck which always feel a bit swollen or slightly painful like a cold or mumps is coming on... it feels good
obviously this is just slightly feel good thing... haart is the only thing that will stop the virus and as soon as i hit 350 i am starting haart! yes it is scary for me but i am getting along
i just found this on google
http://beneforce.com/Constituent/Constituent-pages/terpenine.htm
Terpenine: A Terpene Hydrocarbon. Terpinene and other terpene hydrocarbons have been found to have antiviral and diuretic properties and are mucus membrane tonics and decongestants.
http://www.wordwebonline.com/en/OILOFTURPENTINE
oil of turpentine
1. Volatile liquid distilled from turpentine oleoresin; used as paint thinner and solvent and medicinally
turpentine-- Australian slang for alcoholic drinks.
http://www.pediatricpartner.com/lists/pedtalk.archive/9905/00040.html
"I live in rural eastern NC (turpentine capital of the world in the old days -
where my family has lived since the early 1700's. My great grandmother was in a car wreck 30 years ago at the age of 92 Banged up pretty bad with a broken arm and leg. ... she did not want any of that
medicine. But she'd do just fine if he could get her some turpentine to rub on
her arm. The next am there was a small bottle on her bedside.
-g barden
John Canning wrote:
> Six or seven years ago, I was helping computerize an after-hours
> pediatric clinic in an inner city ghetto. For someone who was
> raised in rural Vermont, this was quite the eye opening
> experience. The Mom had
> already treated it by giving the child a teaspoon of turpentine.
> The resident wanted to send the child off to the emergency room to
> have his stomach pumped.
> The medical director and one of the nurse practitioners patiently
> explained to the resident that in some of the neighborhoods around
> the clinic, upset stomachs were frequently treated with turpentine
> in an effort to kill of things such as pinworms or tape worms...
> While it was not the recommended treatment by the clinic, it was
> something that had become part of this community's knowledge base.
http://waltonfeed.com/old/mama/turp.html
However if turp is put on a cut, it will stop the bleeding immediately, and cause the wounded area to start healing at a rapid rate of speed. Another quality of turp is it nullifies the 'after throbbing' associated with a deep cut.
I would advocate the first time use of turp to be applied to a cloth bandage and wrapped around the cut area for one day, and then the next day inspected. The cut will have pulled together, and started it's bonding process.
Turp also works well on burns. I was about 3 I fell into a burning fireplace. I received 3rd degree burns from my neck to my thighs. my father doused me down with turp, right through the bandages. Of course the nurse kicked the both of us out of the hospital. Today I don't have a hair from my adams apple to my thighs, but I'm not burdened by scars. Was it the turp, or was I just lucky?
Essential Oils & Healing
Turpentine is sometimes used by herbalists or other trained practitioners ... It is antibacterial, antiviral, antineuralgic (reduces nerve pain), soothing, ...
www.dreamingearth.com/essentialnews.html
Chemicals from Trees
Antiviral. Phenols, Allergenic Antimicrobial, Urushiol ... β-phellandrene in Pinus contorta turpentine, and α- and β-pinene, camphene and 3-carene that are ...
tree-chemicals.csl.gov.uk/review/metabolites.cfm
Neem Oil ...
Turpentine (Gandhi-tel)
Valuable antiseptic application to wounds and ulcers.
Neem leaves and its extracts are being used as immuno stimulants in poultry flocks.
http://www.neemfoundation.org/animal%20health.htm
this is very very interesting...
if you know immune science read this....
http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/CID/journal/issues/v31nS5/000195/000195.html
very interesting science article about... the effect of turpentine on the IL and immune system.......
The reasons for these discrepancies are unclear. In contrast, IL-1β; seems to be the major mediator of fever during infection with a poxvirus [33] or after injection of turpentine. TNF is a proinflammatory cytokine that shares many biologic properties with IL-1 [35]. TNF injection induces a typical fever in rabbits that is indistinguishable from IL-1
http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/CID/journal/issues/v31nS5/000195/000195.html
Horai R, Asano M, Sudo K, et al. Production of mice deficient in genes for interleukin (IL)-1α, IL-1β, IL-1α/β, and IL-1 receptor antagonist shows that IL-1β is crucial in turpentine-induced fever development and glucocorticoid secretion. J Exp Med 1998; 187:1463–75
The febrile response is thought to be mediated by endogenous mediators, generically called "endogenous pyrogens." In the classical model of pathogenesis, induction of fever is mediated by the release of pyrogenic cytokines such as tumor necrosis factor (TNF), interleukin (IL)-1, IL-6, and interferons into the bloodstream in response to exogenous pyrogens. These mediators act at the level of the organum vasculosum of the lamina terminalis in the central nervous system (CNS), inducing synthesis of prostaglandins, which are the central mediators of the coordinated responses leading to fever.
mice treated with various immunological stimuli, such turpentine.
mice treated with various immunological stimuli, such as carageenan (39), turpentine (40, 42), and LPS (18, 39, 42), are able to produce nearnormal corticosterone responses in the presence of dramatically elevated IL-6 levels
Although CRH-KO mice have been shown to exhibit markedly attenuated
corticosterone responses to non-immunological stressors such as restraint, ether, and fasting (38),
they are able to mount a significant corticosterone response to a variety of immunological
stressors, such as LPS, carageenan, and turpentine ..... http://endo.endojournals.org/cgi/rapidpdf/en.2003-1421v1.pdf
Turnbull et al (42) also have shown that the turpentine-induced ACTH response in CRHR1-KO mice is AVPindependent. Of note, elimination of AVP did significantly attenuate the corticosterone response
in MCMV-infected CRH-KO mice. These results suggest that AVP may exert a direct action on
the adrenal gland to stimulate glucocorticoid release in CRH-KO mice.
.....mice treated with various immunological stimuli,
such as carageenan (39), turpentine (40, 42), and LPS (18, 39, 42), are able to produce nearnormal
corticosterone responses in the presence of dramatically elevated IL-6 levels
In addition, IL-6 has been shown to play an
important role in the maintenance phase of the corticosterone response to turpentine-induced
inflammation in rats (90) and in a murine model of colitis (91). These observations lend support
to the idea that IL-6 may contribute to a sustained glucocorticoid response by directly stimulating
its release from the adrenal gland once CRH/ACTH drive has retreated.
http://endo.endojournals.org/cgi/rapidpdf/en.2003-1421v1.pdf
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_6009091
vet in colorado states that 50 years ago all he had to treat animals was turpentine and a knife!!!!
"There was one old practitioner here who told me 'When I started out I had a jackknife and a pint of turpentine,"' said James Voss, who began as a professor in CSU's vet school in 1958.
http://www.ferozsons-labs.com/products.htm
ULTRAHEAT RUB Analgesic cream
Composition Methyl salicylate B.P. 12.8% Menthol B.P. 5.91%
Turpentine oil 1.47%
Indications Provides pain relief in minor arthritis, backache, muscular pain, joint pain due to sprains, strains
http://www.vriptech.com/herb.htm
Terpenes: Common terpene hydrocarbons include limonene (antiviral, found in 90 per cent of citrus oils) and pinene (antiseptic, found in high proportions in pine and turpentine oils); also camphene, cadinene, caryophyllene, cedrene, dipentene, phellandrene, terpinene, sabinene, and myrcene among others. Some sesquiterpenes, such as chamazulene and farnesol (both found in chamomile oil), have been the object of great pharmaceutical interest recently because of their outstanding antiinflammatory and bactericidal properties.
http://www.weight-care.com/peru_herbs.htm
Rainforest Remedies
the world are researching the proprieties of Botanical Species from South America.
the oil contains also turpentine.
24.- COPAIBA OIL
(Copaifera paupera, syn.Copaifera officinalis, Copaifera reticulata Ducke.: Fabaceae. ”Copaiba”, “Copal”, "Copaiba Balsam", "Copaiba Resin". On Rio Solimoes, resin used as a cicatrizant, for gonorrhea, psoriasis, sores, catarrh, syphilis, and urinary problems. Plotkin (1993) notes that the resin (copal) is used to coat tubules exposed by the dentist drill. Copaiba Oil is used for skin disorders and as an anti-inflammatory agent that can be rubbed directly on sore joints. Internally, locals suggest its usage for gastric ulcers, as a diuretic and expectorant. The oil is also used in art restoration, restoring color to old paintings.
It contains essential oil and resin acids, the oil contains also turpentine.
Copaiba Resin some call it Copaiba Balsam – it is said to be excellent to treat Eczema, fungus, Dermatitis, and any kind of skin disorder including Dandruff, athlete’s foot, fungi, and skin and stomach cancer. It has been used to; eliminate inflammation and yeast infection of genital and urinary mucous membranes, to treat Syphilis, Hemorrhoids, ear ache, Gonorrhea.
It has been used to treat Bronchitis, and Stomach ulcers. The Shamans of Amazon say that there is nothing better to expel mucus from the lungs, and for any kind of respiratory problems.
They apply it on wound fresh and infected , on cuts to heal and to eliminate scars.
Internal use: 5 – 10 drops in a bit of tea or water 2 – 3 times per day
External use: spread on affected skin area (dandruff, eczema, etc),
apply as compress over night, etc
http://www.weight-care.com/peru_herbs.htm
http://www.healthy.co.nz/emphysemol.html
new zealand medicine with turpentine oil in it for many diseases
1635 Turpentine used as anticeptic for wood healing... that is almost 400 years ago
A review of the history of veterinary wound management
From this, it can be seen that modern veterinary wound management often ... 'Turpentine Wax and Hogs-grease' were also used by Gervase Markham (1635), ...
www.worldwidewounds.com/2003/july/Clewlow/Vet-History-Review.html
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Turpentine is used in veterinary practice as an expectorant, rubifacient, and antiseptic, owing to its anti-microbial properties. Turpentine is increasingly being used as a raw material for making chemicals; turpentine and its monoterpenes are employed in liniments, perfumery, and in the synthesis of camphor and menthol.
http://www.ciop.pl/13781.html#rs9
Signs of acute turpentine intoxication ...
Various chamber studies in healthy volunteers have shown that there is significant reporting of ...
Tea Tree-- The following are abstracts from the veterinary and medical literature: ... a toxicologic standpoint
melaleuca oil can be compared to oil of turpentine, ...
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Jacobs MR, Hornfeldt. Melaleuca oil poisoning. Clinical Toxicology 1994;32:461-464.
Abstract: "A 23-month-old boy became confused and was unable to walk thirty minutes after ingesting less than 10 mL of T36-C7, a commercial product that contained 100% melaleuca oil. The child was referred to a nearby hospital. His condition improved and he was asymptomatic within 5 hours of ingestion. He was discharged home the next day. Melaleuca oil, extracted from the Melaleuca alternifolia, contains 50-60% terpenes and related alcohols. This case report suggests that ingestion of a modest amount of a concentrated form of this oil may produce signs of toxicity."
Elliott C. Tea tree oil poisoning. Med J Australia 1993;159:830-831.
A 60-year-old male ingested 0.5 teaspoonful of tea tree oil and developed a dramatic rash, malaise and neutrophil leucocytosis.
http://www.donthomas.com.au/category105_4.htm
Berg Oil 250mlBerg Oil 250ml
Treating bloating in cattle.
"A combination of wood tars, turpentine oils and methylated spirits that has been used for many years and has been reported to decrease gas production associated with fermentation."
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History Of Medical Services
Thirty drops of laudanum and six drops of oil of turpentine to check bilious .... The first full time veterinary clinic in the Upper Keys was opened by Dr. ...
www.keyshistory.org/medical.html
Key West, yellow fever, military men, and Turpentine!!! who could ask for more... 1823
Care for “fever” patients in Monroe County (1823) immediately necessitated some form of an enclosed medical facility. Commodore David Porter created Key West’s first hospital. From the ship’s log of the H.M.S. Bustard in April 1823 “. . . Sundry medicines and preserved meals from the American Naval Hospital.”
To help the U. S. Merchant Marine sailors the U.S. Marine Hospital was built on Emma Street in 1844. An example of the treatment of the yellow fever during the Civil War from The Journal of Practice signed by surgeon's steward, J. W. Plummer of the U.S.S. Honduras was as follows: “Samuel D. Holt, acting third engineer, age 27 was ushered on August 8, 1863 into the hospital. Fever started with a chill and colic. Week previous given dosages of compounded spirits of ether and whiskey. Ensuing day, fever strong and marked intense pains in the head. Gave calomel and rhubarb 15 grains each. Cold to head. Treatment afterwards consisted of acid drinks, liquid potasse citrate, and occasionally one ounce of castor oil. Thirty drops of laudanum and six drops of oil of turpentine to check bilious discharge.”
http://www.keyshistory.org/medical.html
according to wikipedia ... Yellow fever is an acute viral disease.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_fever
Yellow fever (also called yellow jack, black vomit or vomito negro, or sometimes American Plague) is an acute viral disease.
Yellow fever is caused by an arbovirus of the family Flaviviridae, and is a positive single-stranded RNA virus.
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I have no idea what you are attempting to say.
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I agree with Philly267.
Perhaps Ann or Andy could consider locking this thread. Geez bim...enough already. The water's been squeezed dry outta the stone. Now all I'm seeing is dust and it's painfully blinding :'(
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I know some western "civilized" country that could bomb the DR into oblivion should they insist on providing the treatment cheaply to the poor worlwide.
QUESTION: What big democratic country in the Third World with majority black leadership keeps HIV meds from its citizens despite over twenty years of disastrous disease growth, suffering, and death---and it ain't even about economics!? GIVE UP?
ANSWER: Republic of South Africa. Read the work of the Treatment Action Coalition (I post their stuff in the Activism Forum). if you aren't acquainted with their grassroots activism against their elected regime. So, I say screw anyone and anything that stands in the way of healthcare, and quit with the paranoia! You want to go to church for a cure, fine, but I am an atheist and am holding out for science.
"Optimism" based on nothing but hogwash is harmful, and it's not the same as having hope! It's also insulting to my MD/researchers, many with twenty years under their belt, who would give their lives to have a "cure" or even a second-rate vaccine for HIV. They are not controlled by the "pharmas" or any government or political agenda!
8) -megasept (who knows many religious people may consider themselves faithful AND scientific)
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Once again, Bimazek completely oversteps the mark here. One of the links he lists aboves recommends that HIV positive people follow the advice of the infamous Dr Hulda Clark and take some appalling quack decoction.
Reported.
MtD
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QUESTION: What big democratic country in the Third World with majority black leadership keeps HIV meds from its citizens despite over twenty years of disastrous disease growth, suffering, and death---and it ain't even about economics!? GIVE UP?
ANSWER: Republic of South Africa. Read the work of the Treatment Action Coalition (I post their stuff in the Activism Forum). if you aren't acquainted with their grassroots activism against their elected regime. So, I say screw anyone and anything that stands in the way of healthcare, and quit with the paranoia! You want to go to church for a cure, fine, but I am an atheist and am holding out for science.
"Optimism" based on nothing but hogwash is harmful, and it's not the same as having hope! It's also insulting to my MD/researchers, many with twenty years under their belt, who would give their lives to have a "cure" or even a second-rate vaccine for HIV. They are not controlled by the "pharmas" or any government or political agenda!
8) -megasept (who knows many religious people may consider themselves faithful AND scientific)
Mega,
Didnt mean to get you cheesed off like this. If u read my posts youd notice Im on the fence when it comes to "cure discoveries" like this. All I was sayin is not to pass judgement until it is checked out. Believe me Ive read about so many cure discoveries that the moment I see the "C" word I know its more likely to be a con than not. Having said that, some of these so called cures partially work and can be scientifically explained and it takes some level-headed open-minded scientists to show this (regardless of country & states of labs involved). I am I optismistic? Ive lived with the little fellas so long it's no longer about optimism.
Paranoia? - I dont think so. We live @ a time when everyone wants to make money from the bug. All I was trying to say is if there was ever a cure, I dont see it being dished out for free. That would ruin some economies. We wouldnt let that happen would we? (" Let's bomb them so we can get to the oil"). I wasnt sayin the DR would be bombed out so they should not make the treatment ( not being optimistic here). Im sure you have heard of some countries (including some western) who are "not encouraged" to subsdize their farmers by the more powerful countries just so the weaker countries keep buying from them at higher prices ( I dont believe Im writing this!)
SA govt - I agree with you. They are so wrong for that.
Now that good old reverand doctor has been stopped, I am I dissapointed - no. Cose I personally believe it will never happen @ once. It wont be delivered in a dream package & at the expense of 2 pigs and an ass .So I was expecting this to bomb out but lets try to learn something from this - positive or negative. Not all medical discoveries were made by "my MD/researchers, many with twenty years under their belt, who would give their lives to have a "cure" or even a second-rate vaccine for HIV". And no Sir, no one means to insult the wonderful MD/researchers.
I think it helps to be light-hearted & open-minded about these things so we dont get pissed off @ everyone when things turn out wrong. There are more "cures" to come ( mainly from new members and "oil" merchants) - sad but lets get used to it and learn to deal with it instead of taking it out on each other.
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Bim,
This forum is called the Research News and Studies forum, not the Link to Dodgy Websites forum.
I would appreciate in future if you'd only post links to recognised medical and research sites, not commercial sites, not denialist sites, and not silly "information" sites set up by some bored housefrau. OK? Thanks.
Check your sources and check publication dates. Notice the word NEWS in the forum title.
I'm locking this thread. It serves no useful purpose anymore - if it ever did.
Ann