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Define it how you see it.
"What Can I do today to make a better Tomorrow?"
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Since I have no one to love me, I would have to say love is an ounce of weed and a fridge full of munchies...j/k..But honestly, I wouldn't know, I have yet to experience it.
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That you have yet to exeprience you will soon know. No one goes without being loved by someone.
"What Can I do today to make a better Tomorrow?"
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Since I have no one to love me, I would have to say love is an ounce of weed and a fridge full of munchies...j/k..But honestly, I wouldn't know, I have yet to experience it.
Ounce of weed got me by for two years... it ain't so bad ;)
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Thomas: Now that is the true defenition of portioning things out.
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Ain't it Eldon! An ounce would last me maybe a month depending if I smoke blunts or joints.
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It is all about the cause and the effect! LOL!
"What Can I do today to make a better Tomorrow?"
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Unconditional Love, the kind that only your dog can give you... people always seem to place conditions on love which is sad.
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Cubby: Love is patient, love is kind, love is understanding, love is acceptance, love is communication, love is passion, love is what love does.
"What Can I do today to make a better Tomorrow?"
PS --- There is more to that defenition as well.
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Love is also jealous, possessive, angry, violent, judgemental and ugly... and that's on a good day when your partner isnt under the influence of alcohol, or high as a kite or just having a bad day and taking things out on you. Or when your father beats you sensless because he's had too much to drink and you didn't clean you room. Love is reality, not a fairy tale.
Give me a dog anyday. Someone who loves you when most mortals wouldn't.
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Cubby: Dogs are a man's best friend. They can be naughty though. Love is NOT abusing, taking advantage of or to beat up on someone.
"What Can I do today to make a better Tomorrow?"
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Sitting outside on the porch swing w/ someone, drinking cold beer, not saying a word....enjoying the moment as the sun sets. Feeling that's the best conversation I've had..
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Marco23: Most certainly it is those peaceful moments where both of your inner energies combine together with not one word being uttered from your mouth's. Truly it is an experience to enjoy. It makes me reflect back on the day where a friend and I were on the beach watching the Sun rise without saying a word. Talk about moments where the waves were crashing against the shore and the cool breeze that was in the air. Oh what a sensation! Stimulating!
"What Can I do today to make a better Tomorrow?"
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Ounce of weed got me by for two years... it ain't so bad ;)
You know I should definitely preview what I write sometimes, but it's just so damn boring... Anyways what I meant was the weed got me by for 2 years w/o any love. Hell an ounce that was a weeks supply at best!! I got the bad credit to prove it.. :-[
THOMAS
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By the time you swear you're his,
Shivering and sighing,
And he vows his passion is
Infinite, undying
Lady, make a note of this:
One of you is lying
Dorothy Parker
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I am Love.
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What is marriage? Is it the joining of two physical bodies or of two souls? Is it a religious ceremony and commitment to a higher power? Or is it something more effortless than that.
Is it simply love? REAL love expressing itself the only way it knows how. Through words and action this emotion sparks to life and takes its first breath, it becomes what it was meant to become and consumes the two souls and feeds off of two bodies to sustain itself.
The act of marriage is what love IS, how it becomes REAL. It is how it announces to the world IM ALIVE! Like the birth of a life, a whole NEW life that is yet to be discovered. There are first steps taken and first words spoken. There are the teenage years and mistakes to learn from. There are birthdays and anniversaries, vacations and celebrations.
As Love grows, and it should never stop growing, it relies on the two souls and two bodies to ripen it. For without the constant nurturing of the soul and body, love would cease to exist. Unlike OUR physical from, as Love ages it gets healthier and wiser. Flourishing on all of the experiences of our lives, it is cherished and revered even more than on that day of its birth.
As we age, others join in, children are born and then Love becomes something greater than itself, it lives on in the lives of others, those that we call family. It is here, within the family, that Love grows exponentially upon itself. Reproducing many times over, setting in motion a series of events so that eventually it renders itself perpetual. It has become a never ending life unto itself, seeking only to give itself to others while asking nothing but itself in return.
So, when others ask you what marriage is, please do not say: It is a socially approved and legally acknowledged emotional, sexual, and economic relationship between two or more individuals. Rather give them the simple answer: Marriage? That is Love, being born.
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We who generally cannot get married salute you.
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Love is him remembering my name in the morning.
Woods
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Hey, you know what paradise is?
It's a lie, a fantasy we create about people and places as we'd like them to be
But you know what truth is?
It's that little baby you're holding, it's that man you fought with this morning
The same one you're going to make love with tonight
That's truth, that's love......
Emily Dickinson (I think)
Emily Dickinson...Charlene...all the same, I suppose.
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We who generally cannot get married salute you.
THIS IS TOTAL BULLSHIT BY THE WAY!!! I mean the fact you can't. Gays should be allowed to be as happy or as miserable as everyone else! I personally feel this is one of our great injustices in this country..... I'll get off my soap box. But DAMN that issue gets me.
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As Love grows, and it should never stop growing, it relies on the two souls and two bodies to ripen it. For without the constant nurturing of the soul and body, love would cease to exist. Unlike OUR physical from, as Love ages it gets healthier and wiser. Flourishing on all of the experiences of our lives, it is cherished and revered even more than on that day of its birth.
From humor to poetry. My God AC, you are an amazing individual! As far as Gay Marriage is concerned, it is the political and religious parties that need to get off of their soapbox and quit trying to control what someone feels.
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Love means never having to say you're sorry... ick.
Boo
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Boo: Bingo! "I don't have the heart to hurt you, because that is the last thing that I want to do.". 100% Pure Love.
"What Can I do today to make a better Tomorrow?"
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Love means never having to say you're sorry... ick.
Boo
"That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard."
-That Movie With Barbara Streisand In It
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Benj: If you do not say that you are sorry, then that is a clear indication of being inconsiderate of the other's feelings. Part of loving someone is to take into consideration of their feelings as they need to be heard.
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"Like love we don't know where or why,
Like love we can't compel or fly,
Like love we often weep,
Like love we seldom keep."
-- Auden, "from "Law Like Love"
"On me your voice falls as they say love should,
Like an enormous Yes."
-- Larkin, from "For Sidney Bechet"
"Having used every subterfuge
To shake you, lies, fatigue, or even that of passion,
Now I see no way but a clean break.
I add that I am willing to bear the guilt.
You nod assent. Autumn turns windy, huge,
A clear vase of dry leaves vibrating on and on.
We sit, watching. When I next speak
Love buries itself in me, up to the hilt."
-- Merrill, "A Renewal"
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"That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard."
-That Movie With Barbara Streisand In It
What's up, doc? (a not very good stab at a 30s comedy a la Kate and Cary, although Madelyn Kahn was, as always, great)
Boo
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Benj: If you do not say that you are sorry, then that is a clear indication of being inconsiderate of the other's feelings. Part of loving someone is to take into consideration of their feelings as they need to be heard.
"What Can I do today to make a better Tomorrow?"
It's a joke... there was that movie in which the line was "Being in love means never having to say you're sorry." And it became something of a catchphrase in the 70s, I think.
Then, they made fun of it in a Barbara Streisand movie where she says "Being in love means never having to say you're sorry." And a guy looks at her and says "That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard."
I saw it on a movie quote countdown on Bravo.
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Love is that one thing we all like to talk about and wish for but just can't seem to get right.
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I don't seek love. I'd prefer attachment.
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Since Doxie STOLE my first Dottie selection this one does almost as well:
Comment by D. Parker
Oh, life is a glorious cycle of song,
A medley of extemporanea;
And love is a thing that can never go wrong;
And I am Marie of Romania.
Boo
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Benj: Now that part makes sense. The guy is calling her out on that one. A good call I might add.
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Dtw: Indeed it is a constant adjustment that is to be made with one another. When the pair reaches the level where they fully understand each other, then that is where the certain "rightness" falls into place.
Benj: There is a difference betweeen the two. Either you are "fully" committed of you are not.
Boo: Doxie did not steal it from you. He just borrowed it. It was fitting at the time.
"What Can I do today to make a better Tomorrow?"
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It's a joke... there was that movie in which the line was "Being in love means never having to say you're sorry." And it became something of a catchphrase in the 70s, I think.
Then, they made fun of it in a Barbara Streisand movie where she says "Being in love means never having to say you're sorry." And a guy looks at her and says "That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard."
I saw it on a movie quote countdown on Bravo.
Sweetie-darlings,
"Love means never..." is a line from the insipid (novel and) movie Love Story, starring Ryan O'Neal. Ryan was Babs's male lead in What's up, doc?, thus the inside joke at the end "That's the stupidest thing..."
Boo
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Boo: Bingo! There is no real correlation with that kind of view.
"What Can I do today to make a better Tomorrow?"
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Boo: Doxie did not steal it from you. He just borrowed it. It was fitting at the time.
He DID steal it. I have first dibs on all Dottie Parker quotes -- I bought them from the NAACP, the beneficiary of Martin Luther King, Jr.'s estate (Parker left King her estate and after his death his estate went to the NAACP).
Boo
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Dtw: Indeed it is a constant adjustment that is to be made with one another. When the pair reaches the level where they fully understand each other, then that is where the certain "rightness" falls into place.
So I take it that you feel that "rightness" implies permanence. And, that fully understanding each other means that things will never change, and even more importantly, that you like what you understand. I think that love includes some form of mystery, risk and unknown. Love isn't ideal, it's necessary. it hurts. it's good. But it's not all sunsets and poetry. it sucks sometimes. it's learning to live with lies. it's learning to forgive. it's learning how to accept that you, yourself can be a complete jerk. and it's learning that sometimes it just doesn't work out. and, it's learning that no matter what, the loss of love isn't the end of the world and that you really can move on.
Sorry, I just think that an idealistic cotton candy and rainbow image of love is more damaging than the knowledge that you love is something you are not human unless you have lived through.
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Boo: So you are the owner of those quotes. It is good to know where good resources are!
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I don't seek love. I'd prefer attachment.
Like a Birken bag?
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Dtw: When it comes to LOVE, you and your partner can shape your relationship into whatever you want it to be.
As far as the lying is concerned, that is an indication of some hidden fears that are not shared with the other partner which is quite unfair with the relationship. Having that honest and open line of communication which is infused with understanding creates an entirely different picture that is being painted with the relationship.
NOW. It IS true that in the beginning when you are getting to feel each other out, then there will be some of those variables that exist in the relationship. No doubt. However, to "improve" the relationship, that is when you start to make the necessary adjustments in order to compensate for the many variables that exist within the relationship. The more adjustments that are made, the closer you will be to that sense of "one" together.
As with anything that is merged into one, there are variables that are considered and are adjusted in order to compensate for the differences in order to gain that "result" that is to be gained in a relationship.
"What Can I do today to make a better Tomorrow?"
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I don't seek love. I'd prefer attachment.
Like a Birken bag?
At the rate he's going more like a colostomy bag... ;)
Radiating love and good vibes,
Boo
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Like a Birken bag?
More like my messenger bag. Slingable... more volume... even though I could be closer to Serge... le sigh...
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Philly: Is it not Gucci that you prefer?
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eldon... i'm sure you mean well, but i don't really have unhappy relationships. Love hurts sometimes. Love is real and it is raw. If you idealize it you will respond to your partners with meaningless formulaic responses that hide real emotion. There is nothing less compelling in the area of love than someone who spouts off self indulgent psychobabble about it. Love is the good with the bad. It's not necessarily about compromising and it's not necessarily about working for some kind of result. It's about being human. It's about getting it wrong. It's about learning who you are and how you can change. It's about life. It is life. Without it, without losing it, without surviving it... you simply haven't lived.
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Puck... that is absoeffinlutely beautifully put and right on, I think.
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It's about learning who you are and how you can change. It's about life. It is life. Without it, without losing it, without surviving it... you simply haven't lived.
Dtw: Well said, it is exactly what I was saying. Afterall there will be things that occur that can be worked on. All I am saying is that there is room for "improvement" in all areas of our life. Thanks though. Dinner time. I will rejoin the group later on this evening.
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... The more adjustments that are made, the closer you will be to that sense of "one" together.
As with anything that is merged into one, there are variables that are considered and are adjusted in order to compensate for the differences in order to gain that "result" that is to be gained in a relationship.
I don't want to be an amoeba that merges two beings to become "one." I am an individual and expect the ones I love to be individuals. With romantic love, for me, compromise and a willingness to accept each other are equally essential, but not at the cost of one partner doing more than the other in either area.
Which is wny I remain a confirmed bachelor.
Boo
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There's nothing more insufferable than two dolts "in lurve" who absorb each other into one lame entity.
"He's a vegan... so now I am, too."
Everytime someone changes something essential about themselves to satisfy a romantic partner, a T-cell gets its wings.
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Boo: I do see what you are saying. How it is worded is that in a "sense" two become as one. Sharing your lives together unconditionally.
Benj:The door swings both ways.
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Philly: Is it not Gucci that you prefer?
Gucci is so 90's! It's all about Martin Margiela at the moment.
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"He's a vegan... so now I am, too."
Well... i guess that would be a bonus if you don't like to swallow.
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Dtw: Who would want to deny themselves of such pleasure?
Philly: So that IS the current style?
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Dtw: Indeed it is a constant adjustment that is to be made with one another. When the pair reaches the level where they fully understand each other, then that is where the certain "rightness" falls into place.
Benj: There is a difference betweeen the two. Either you are "fully" committed of you are not.
Boo: Doxie did not steal it from you. He just borrowed it. It was fitting at the time.
"What Can I do today to make a better Tomorrow?"
Yes I did, I stole it on purpose. I will never give it back because never a lender or borrower be.
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Hal: LOL!
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"Unconditional" love is a nonsensical idea!
Of course there are always conditions!
Love is caring, respect, honesty, affection, attraction, enjoyment, commitment.
If he is uncaring, dishonest, disrespectful, unaffectionate, unattractive, non-commital,
then I am not going to love him.
These are conditions.
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Hmm this thread has taken on some interesting points. I would like to think that love still exists on this earth. But society seems to think the almighty dollar is more important than love...Not including AC and maybe a few others but most seem to marry not for love but for purse strings and love can come later if not at all...Or maybe I'm getting that twisted with my daily soaps but damn close. Here's a couple of examples , just 2 that come to mind.
1. What's Love Got To Do With It--- You see where love got Tina Turner's ass in that one..
2. Ain't Nothing Going On But The Rent--- I can't remember who sang that song but it was out in the 80's. The famous line from that song was You got to have a J-O-B- if you wanna be with me...
3. What have you done for me lately? Yep and Ms. Jackson if ya nasty...*snaps her fingers* ...ooookkkkaaaaayyyy
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Ain't Nothing Going On But The Rent = Gwen Guthrie
and it's ovah for Miss Guthrie... she did SO many great dance tracks with Larry Levan of Paradise Garage remixing in the 80's
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Everytime someone changes something essential about themselves to satisfy a romantic partner, a T-cell gets its wings.
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Love is also jealous, possessive, angry, violent, judgemental and ugly... and that's on a good day when your partner isnt under the influence of alcohol, or high as a kite or just having a bad day and taking things out on you. Or when your father beats you sensless because he's had too much to drink and you didn't clean you room. Love is reality, not a fairy tale.
Actually Matt, those things are not love. They are examples of kinds of damaging behaviour that sadly occur in too many human relationships. But they are not examples of love. People often accept such behaviour because of low self esteem or because they know no different/better or because they are blinded by love. That's why so many people remain in unhappy dysfunctional relationships...because both the abuser and the abused cant/wont see that abusive behaviour is not loving behaviour.
There are different kinds of relationships that involve different kinds of love. The only time when love should be unconditional is from a parent to their child. Between adults of course there should be conditions. Absolutely.
Just glancing at adult relationships:
I think people often get confused between what constitutes love and what constitutes a healthy loving relationship. Love is only one aspect of a relationship; it is of course an important aspect but a relationship is only healthy if love is combined with a whole lot of other factors.
A healthy relationship involves being:
Loving
Caring
Supportive
And it also involves:
Intimacy
Open communication
Respect
Honesty
Independence
Fun
Joy
Adventure
Curiosity
Spontaneity
It's a combination of all those things. All positive encouraging nurturing things. I personally will no longer accept anything less from a relationship. Been there, done that. Never again!
A healthy adult relationship should not involve controlling negating or belittling behaviour. It should also not involve compliant or rebellious behaviour. And it definitely should not involve dishonesty.
Too many people behave so inappropriately towards their partners in relationships and often don't even realise they are doing it or, even worse, don't care that they are doing it. And too many people settle for much less than they actually realise they are worth. So both parties remain stuck inside unhealthy dysfunctional relationships, unaware of how much better things could actually be.
Love itself is difficult to define as it has different meaning for different people. According to the song: Love is a many splendid thing!
What I do know is this: love on its own does not make for a healthy relationship. It takes a lot more than that.
Just my take on it.
Melia
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Frankly if a couple NEVER argues I find that quite odd. Prozac nation or something, they're generally subverting. Of course, excessive arguing is never good and the key is being able to evaluate when you've arrived at this point and get out if need be.
The rule is to constructively engage the topic of the argument and always resolve it before going to bed. I've always found the key to a good relationship is how effective both partners are at resolving things when they come up. Some people frankly just suck at expressing their feelings.
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Melia: Wow! Whomever IS the one in your life, they definitely got all of the perks that anyone could ever ASK for! Woah Nelly!
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