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Meds, Mind, Body & Benefits => Nutrition & HIV => Topic started by: BT65 on May 01, 2007, 10:00:34 am
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I was wondering if anyone drinks that Silk Soymilk. I bought a half gallon, told a friend and she said she couldn't drink it because it tastes awful. It seems like it's so much healthier than regular (cow) milk. She also told me that the vanilla flavored is tolerable. Any feedback?
Peace-
Betty
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Soy milk is absolutely disgusting.
And if you buy Tofu I will have to review my friend's list :o
Milker.
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Scratch me off your list Milker! (well, that's as long as I actually was on it... ;D)
I drink Soy milk AND eat tofu.
Both of which are terrible unless you know how to prepare them or what to mix with them.
I find that plain soy milk is better than any flavoured one because I can then do the flavouring myself. I use it with cereals in the morning when not using fruit juice, or mix it with yogurt to make that more liquid. Excellent for shakes, if you use fresh fruit, make your own sugar syrup. Silky tofu (the kind you get in a miso soup) can make great dips for your starters.
Soy milk is easier to digest, contains zero cholesterol and these are points in its favour. Of course you should not look for the exact same taste as cow milk. As for the supposed necessity for humans to drink cow milk for their calcium intake... well, cows are mammals like us and once weaned never drink milk... and they don't seem to be prone to osteoporosis...
Plus, lots of people are sensitive to certain milk components like lactose (a sugar) and casein. Without being coeliac, these people often find that by scrapping milk and reducing most dairy products from their diet they have less annoying occurences of things like allergies, colds, sinusitis or bowel related disturbances. Worth a try.
hope this helps
Pat
PS: wondering what it is that Milker has with all sorts of ...Milk ;D
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I tried it once, I couldn't hack it either. I only drink skim milk now. If I drink regular milk, it's like drinking a milk shake. I do love my milk. Took me a little while, but finally got used to skim.
Ray
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Yes, I do proudly drink soy milk. :) I started drinking it when I became a vegetarian to ensure I'd be getting enough complete protein. When I started, soy milk seemed kind of nutty and oily, but I soon got used to it (the chocolate and vanilla varieties are nice to use when you're adapting). Now I prefer it to (skim) cow's milk, which tastes kind of runny and bland in comparison. I will have skim milk in lattes and mochas, though, but it's only soy milk when I'm drinking it alone or having it with cereal.
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Simply Soy brand Soy Milk is delicious... Prefer it to cows milk! :P
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I use Soy milk for my protein shakes after workout and they simply taste after the flavour of what you use as the protein powder is. I tried regular milk b4 and after shaking it to mix in the powder, it gives me enuff gas hours later to be able to power up my car engine. Soy milk does not.
U can steam tofu wth mushrooms, some fish sauce and add shredded ginger and garlic to taste. U can also fry it lightly and take it out after its skin turned crispy golden. Cut it up into cubes and dip it in any sauce your palate feels for that day. ;) Or fry some onions and add light soy sauce to the fried tofu for a great delicious and aromatic oriental snack.
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Considering the fact that:
milk is allowed to contain certain amounts of fecal matter, yet be considered acceptable for sale
I can think of no recourse but to drink soy milk. (It lasts much longer than regular milk)
-joseph
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Considering the fact that:
milk is allowed to contain certain amounts of fecal matter, yet be considered acceptable for sale
I can think of no recourse but to drink soy milk. (It lasts much longer than regular milk)
-joseph
oh heavens. i drink the 'vitasoy' brand of soymilk. cow milk is for calves
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cow milk is for calves
When I was growing up in France I used to go near a farm for vacation, and I was milking cows (amongst other farm things like killing rabbits with a bat, throat cutting chicken before plucking, etc..). I loved drinking the warm milk from the jar (no i never sucked the cows, thanks for asking :D) but "fresh" milk was way tastier than anything you can get in the shops.
Milker (who is an expert milker)
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I switched to soy milk for cholesterol reasons. I use Silk with vanilla, usually, although the Safeway Organic Soymilk (with organic vanilla), is very good too.
I use it mainly for cereal. I stopped drinking milk when I was 16 or 17 years old because of lactose intolerance.
As for tofu, I did it again. I had been eating eggs, as I found I could eat them again. Well, until yesterday, when the ol stomach acted up again.
Anyway, I will probably go back to having scrambled tofu for breakfast. I usually saute some onion, garlic and green chile in olive oil, then add crumbled extra firm tofu in to the skillet. I usually heat thoroughly, allowing some of the tofu to turn golden brown.
I serve it with an 8-ounce glass of fresh carrot juice, gluten free toast buttered with either real butter or cream cheese, sometimes with peanut butter or jam, half a sliced avocado, lightly salted with either sea or kosher salt, and a dish of fruit or a piece of fresh fruit, depending on my mood.
Top it off with an 8-ounce glass of orange juice.
It really is quite tasty.
HUGS,
Mark
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Now I only use milk for Weetabix. It's a UK thing. But you can find it in the US in some stores. I'm a total Weetabix whore, I eat it every day.
(http://www.shopnatural.com/product/19114.jpg)
Milker.
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... well, cows are mammals like us and once weaned never drink milk... and they don't seem to be prone to osteoporosis...
I don't care about soy milk - I just drink skimmed milk, which I think does the job fine. But this quote interested me, as it allows me to deploy some of the useless knowledge I accumulated growing up in Dorset (Britain's answer to Wisconsin!).
Thanks to artificial insemination (AI) cows are increasingly prone to osteoporosis as they are being denied the bone-building effects of getting humped on a regular basis - this form of weight bearing exercise is in fact extremely important for a young cow's bone density. See? It was worth waiting for and I've gotten something off my chest that was there for two...fucking...decades! :D
Matt
(who is concerned about his risk factors for osteoporosis!).
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"A 12-year Harvard study of 78,000 women, those who drank milk three times a day actually broke more bones than women who rarely drank milk. Similarly, a 1994 study of elderly men and women in Sydney, Australia, showed that higher dairy product consumption was associated with increased fracture risk. Those with the highest dairy product consumption had approximately double the risk of hip fracture compared to those with the lowest consumption...
High protein intake is known to encourage urinary calcium losses and has been shown to increase risk of fracture in research studies"
Feskanich D, Willett WC, Stampfer MJ, Colditz GA. Milk, dietary calcium, and bone fractures in women: a 12-year prospective study. Am J Publ Health 1997;87:992-7.
Cumming RG, Klineberg RJ. Case-control study of risk factors for hip fractures in the elderly. Am J Epidemiol 1994;139:493-503.
Abelow BJ, Holford TR, Insogna KL. Cross-cultural association between dietary animal protein and hip fracture: a hypothesis. Calcif Tissue Int 1992;50:14-18.
Feskanich D, Willett WC, Stampfer MJ, Colditz GA. Protein consumption and bone fractures in women. Am J Epidemiol 1996;143:472-9.
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>:( Milk is bad for your bones then?
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http://www.goaskalice.columbia.edu/1861.html
Dear Udderly confused,
The major difference between soymilk and "regular" milk (predominantly cow's milk in the United States; goat and sheep's milk are other options) is that one is derived from a plant and the other from an animal. Although ethical, hypothetical, or debatable issues frequently arise when discussing this subject, this answer is going to deal strictly with the nutritional differences between these two kinds of milk.
What's most commonly referred to as milk is cow's milk, which is a product of the mammary gland. As with all other animal-based foods, it's a complete protein; that is, it supplies people with all the necessary amino acids to form proteins. All cow's milk contain 8 grams of protein and 12 grams of carbohydrate per cup. Cow's milk is a rich source of other nutrients as well. One cup provides adults with 30 percent of their daily calcium needs and about 50 percent of their vitamin B12 and riboflavin requirements. Often it's fortified with vitamin D to facilitate the absorption of calcium. Vitamin A is usually added to milk as well. Depending on the selection, cow's milk can have a significant amount of fat. (See the chart at the end of the answer for a comparison of the fat content of some varieties of milk.)
Lactose, the primary carbohydrate in cow's milk, poses a digestive problem for some people. These folks are deficient in the lactase enzyme that's needed to break down this milk sugar, causing gas, bloating, and diarrhea after consuming some forms of dairy products. The solution is to purchase products with the lactose already broken down, to take the enzyme in the form of a pill or drops, or to find a substitute for these foods.
Soymilk is not technically a milk, but a beverage made from soybeans. It is the liquid that remains after soybeans are soaked, finely ground, and then strained. Since it doesn't contain any lactose, soymilk is suitable for lactose intolerant folks. It's also a popular cow's milk substitute for vegetarians since it's based on a plant source (others include rice, oat, almond, coconut, and potato milk).
Soy foods are the only plant-based complete proteins. One cup of unfortified soymilk contains almost 7 grams of protein, 4 grams of carbohydrate, 4½ grams of fat, and no cholesterol. Although soymilk supplies some B vitamins, it's not a good source of B12, nor does it provide a significant amount of calcium. Since many people substitute soy beverages for cow's milk, manufacturers have offered fortified versions. These varieties may include calcium and vitamins E, B12, and D, among other nutrients. If you choose soymilk, read labels carefully to be sure you're getting enough of these important nutrients.
Soymilk may help some people reduce their risk for heart disease. Soy naturally contains isoflavones, plant chemicals that help lower LDL ("bad" cholesterol) if taken as part of a "heart healthy" eating plan. The recommendation is to take in about 25 grams of soy protein per day. One cup of soymilk has about 7 - 10 grams of protein, depending on the brand. Women who have had breast cancer may want to limit their intake of soy protein, as some studies have pointed to possible harm from consuming excess soy in this group.
All in all, what you choose to drink is really a matter of personal preference and your health objectives. You may find this chart helpful in comparing the nutritional qualities between cow's milk and soymilk [per 1 cup (8 oz.) serving]:
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I love the Chocolate Silk. Good stuff. Don't let anyone psych you out of trying it, or tofu for that matter. ;D It's good heated too, like hot chocolate. Just stick it in the microwave for a minute or so. Add cinnamon or whatever if you like.
There has also been back-and-forth about the benefits of soy for relief of menopausal symptoms. If you think you have lower estrogen for any reason, that might be a reason to drink up.
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http://www.goaskalice.columbia.edu/1861.html
Dear Udderly confused,
The major difference between soymilk and "regular" milk (predominantly cow's milk in the United States; goat and sheep's milk are other options) is that one is derived from a plant and the other from an animal. Although ethical, hypothetical, or debatable issues frequently arise when discussing this subject, this answer is going to deal strictly with the nutritional differences between these two kinds of milk.
What's most commonly referred to as milk is cow's milk, which is a product of the mammary gland. As with all other animal-based foods, it's a complete protein; that is, it supplies people with all the necessary amino acids to form proteins. All cow's milk contain 8 grams of protein and 12 grams of carbohydrate per cup. Cow's milk is a rich source of other nutrients as well. One cup provides adults with 30 percent of their daily calcium needs and about 50 percent of their vitamin B12 and riboflavin requirements. Often it's fortified with vitamin D to facilitate the absorption of calcium. Vitamin A is usually added to milk as well. Depending on the selection, cow's milk can have a significant amount of fat. (See the chart at the end of the answer for a comparison of the fat content of some varieties of milk.)
Lactose, the primary carbohydrate in cow's milk, poses a digestive problem for some people. These folks are deficient in the lactase enzyme that's needed to break down this milk sugar, causing gas, bloating, and diarrhea after consuming some forms of dairy products. The solution is to purchase products with the lactose already broken down, to take the enzyme in the form of a pill or drops, or to find a substitute for these foods.
Soymilk is not technically a milk, but a beverage made from soybeans. It is the liquid that remains after soybeans are soaked, finely ground, and then strained. Since it doesn't contain any lactose, soymilk is suitable for lactose intolerant folks. It's also a popular cow's milk substitute for vegetarians since it's based on a plant source (others include rice, oat, almond, coconut, and potato milk).
Soy foods are the only plant-based complete proteins. One cup of unfortified soymilk contains almost 7 grams of protein, 4 grams of carbohydrate, 4½ grams of fat, and no cholesterol. Although soymilk supplies some B vitamins, it's not a good source of B12, nor does it provide a significant amount of calcium. Since many people substitute soy beverages for cow's milk, manufacturers have offered fortified versions. These varieties may include calcium and vitamins E, B12, and D, among other nutrients. If you choose soymilk, read labels carefully to be sure you're getting enough of these important nutrients.
Soymilk may help some people reduce their risk for heart disease. Soy naturally contains isoflavones, plant chemicals that help lower LDL ("bad" cholesterol) if taken as part of a "heart healthy" eating plan. The recommendation is to take in about 25 grams of soy protein per day. One cup of soymilk has about 7 - 10 grams of protein, depending on the brand. Women who have had breast cancer may want to limit their intake of soy protein, as some studies have pointed to possible harm from consuming excess soy in this group.
All in all, what you choose to drink is really a matter of personal preference and your health objectives. You may find this chart helpful in comparing the nutritional qualities between cow's milk and soymilk [per 1 cup (8 oz.) serving]:
Thank you so much for this post. It is very interesting and also very helpful!
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well... actually soya milk taste good and contain much more protein than regular milk
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I'm dubious about soy milk and soya bean products generally.
While they are pushed by some as being this wonderful healthy alternative, many others highlight potential problems with consumption of soy products.
Do a google search using "soy products negatives".
I have no idea which 'science' is correct, but don't care too much as I only include small amounts of both soy milk and good ol' cows milk in my diet.
I wouldn't be drinking gallons of either though. Everything in moderation.
And, Milker. As an aside.
Aussie kids, are Weetbix kids (not Weetabix, as in the UK). Although, Weetbix is made by Sanitarium, a US company. Today's trivia
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Although, Weetbix is made by Sanitarium, a US company. Today's trivia
Wow I gotta call them and ask why it's so hard to find their product in the US! I love Weetabix/Weet-bix!
Milker.
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I was wondering if anyone drinks that Silk Soymilk. I bought a half gallon, told a friend and she said she couldn't drink it because it tastes awful. It seems like it's so much healthier than regular (cow) milk. She also told me that the vanilla flavored is tolerable. Any feedback?
Peace-
Betty
Not A big Fan but buy the chocolate soy milk and only drink skim milk otherwise.
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Wow I gotta call them and ask why it's so hard to find their product in the US! I love Weetabix/Weet-bix!
Milker.
Mmmhhh Weetabix! Sweet memories of the years I lived in England... I always had them with brown sugar, yummy when soggy. :D
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Love Soy Milk, I am kinda lactose intolerant! I like it alone, smoothies, coffee, lattes, cereal.....
Love the soy! And it is MUCH healthier!
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Chocolate soy milk is wonderful onver my high-fiber cereal with berries!
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soy, cow, goat... milk its all good... and bbque tofu is wonderful... and I also enjoy eating flesh of animals "meat" whatever your tummy desires... its good!
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I wonder, If I throw a Carnation instant breakfast pack into the kefir, if it would make it taste better. Plus it will give additional nutrients, or maybe blend some Ovaltine into it. I like experimenting, [plus I like my Ovaltine.
Ray
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i treat myself to chocolate soy milk, bananas and yogurt blended into the perfect shake.
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soy/tofu is over-rated
been reading issues that the soy we eat here in the US isn't quite the same as what you would eat in Japan for example...something about the volume of soy, types of soy...just google SOY...you'll read for days...even some dangers, but you decide...
i prefer rice milk, they have an enriched type with extra vitamins, etc...i avoid the flavored kinds
soy milk and regular cow's milk both upset my stomach
vegan normally, but will eat egg whites, butter if in a pinch, but live in SF CA, so vegan is easier than most places
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If u can obtain soy beans , u can easily make soy milk yourself to keep it healthy if u have some time to spare.
Method:
Soak soy beans for 3 hours till they turn soft. Remove water. Then put in blender to mash them up. Add 2 parts water over 1 part of beans in total into a big boiling pot. Boil for 30 mins and stir constantly. Use filter to separate pulp and cheese cloth to finely remove any residue. U can add some sugar for tasting or drink it straight without any additions.
Can drink it hot or store in fridge for a week when cool. One good way to drink it is whilst the soy milk is still hot, crack an egg into it to cook for 15 mins. Stir it up if u want the yolk to mix.
Peace & health! :)
PS:
The fullness of the milk depends on the amount of beans and water used. More beans, less water=fuller milk; vice versa. Simple math. 8)
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Merlin,
I was just reading the benefits of soy milk and I had no idea how to prepare it myself at home.
Thank you for the method. I will try it. What do you do with the pulp?
Bahati
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Bahati:
U r most welcome. I have provided the method b4 to make cookies under the thread, Carrots, celery beets ...under Nutrition & HIV.
Here's the method again:
Add some butter, sugar, flour, baking soda and eggs and mix it with the soya pulp and knead into a firm dough for baking into soy cookies. Create your own shapes.
Some other pulps that can be used too, includes; apples and carrots. Generally, fruits and vegetables with alot fibre will be best as they form the best "dough" that keep together without falling apart when kneading. Bake them for 20 mins under high heat and serve after cooling. Enjoy. ;)
Google for more recipe methods on making cookies.
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Merlin,
Thank you so much. I have just soaked the beans for the milk.
Bahati
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I just googled "soy negatives" and there is some fool saying that "soy is making kids gay"...
It is sad that people really believe this crap. Homophobic assholes. Who wouldn't really prefer a more highly evolved, intelligent, sensitive and caring child with impeccable taste anyway?
Drew (A homo who was breast fed and discovered soy milk late in life.)
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I also take Soy preparing with this into a dessert with my very special recipe. (see pictures)
This recipe makes about 8 ramequins. (Note: bowl = size of ramequin)
Ingredients A:
4.5 bowls water
8gm gelatin (Agar-agar)
Ingredients B:
5 bowls soya milk
170gm evaporated milk
Ingredient C: (for serving)
Clear sweet syrup or palm sugar syrup.
Method:
1. Use two saucepans to slowly bring ingredients A and B to the boil.
2. Mixture A is considered ready when the gelatin dissolves in the water.
3. Strain and mix A & B into a big bowl.
4. Scoop the mixture into ramiquins.
5. Leave them for about 20-25 mins to set.
6. Serve with clear sweet syrup or palm sugar syrup (recommended).
By the way, this dessert can be served slightly chilled or warm. You can add slices of fruit with it if u like but is best eaten plain.Try to consume within 3 hours if left out in the open; and 2 days if kept in the fridge. This applies to the soy milk as well.
Enjoy in Health & Peace! :)
Blessed Be!
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Soy Desserts anyone? ;D
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I switched back to regular moo juice recently. My cholesterol is lower than it was and the new regimen should help that along.
Also, I had forgotten until I just linked to it for another thread about the gluten contamination potentially found in soy milk.
The producers of soy milk use barley enzymes in the processing, which could infuse the soy milk with gluten. I know this means nothing to most people, but as a celiac, I have to watch these things.
So, its back to the good old lactose free milk for me (low fat mind you).
HUGS,
Mark
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Take the time then to make your own. :)
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I love milk, period. After reading this thread I went out and bought my first quart of soy milk (vanilla). I am too full now and am not in the mood to taste it now, but I'll let you know my reaction once I try it. Catch you guys later. :-X
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Hey Merlin,
Making my own soy milk really isn't in the offing at this point. I make almost everything from scratch as it is because of my diet.
I use milk on those rare occasions I eat cereal and in cooking. The cost/benefit ratio just isn't large enough for me to dedicate that kind of time to something I probably would have to freeze or throw out because I don't use it fast enough.
I also have no idea where one finds soy beans. The nearest whole foods market is 200 miles away and I'm not even sure they have them there.
Your deserts do look delish though. Those are something I might give a try.
HUGS,
Mark
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Making it yoursellf allows u to control what NOT to put into those that sells on the shelves. It does not take more than 30 mins (exclude presoaking) to get the milk ready. All natural perishables should ideally be eaten or consumed within 3-7 days depending on what they are. Commercial stuff keeps longer cos they have isolates and preservatives.
By all means, find the best avenues to consume your health drinks. If u do have the time, try making anything yourself. ;)
Soy beans are not expensive to buy and u can apportion how much to use. The unused raw beans keeps long, up to 1 year if no bugs get to them. They are no different from raw seeds. Most oriental foodstores will carry them as they are used to make tofu. You may try Googling for a source near you. With Google's high stock prices, let them serach for you. Make it work ;)
Blessed Be!
Michael
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I wouldn't sit down and drink a glass of soymilk. But I do use the vanilla flavored stuff on cereal. I try to only use real dairy sparingly.
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Big fan of Silk. Actually just started buying their Soy milk with Fiber variant. It's actually really good too. I mostly have it with cereal (wheat chex, etc.) but will occasionally drink it with organic chocolate chip cookies
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I like soy milk; and rice milk is good too, though a little more watery. They sell several varieties in my grocery, so I tend to rotate the stock, so to speak. I recently found one that had extra fiber, and the plain variety had just a touch of vanilla taste to it. Yummy!
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Andrew's money saving tip-
I buy the Silk vanilla and then mix it with 50% water, then it's not so thick and sweet and lasts longer.
Drew
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Hi,
Thats all I drink! I have to drink the vanilla soy. I also drink the soy chocolate milk I luv both of them.
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I've a problem with Soy Milk... it just ain't 'real' milk. My sister drinks it but i just hate it.
I'm willing to try sth else, what about Goat Milk? Or even almond/rice milk? I drink milkshake daily, using soy milk just didn't taste right. Going to see the doctor next week & I know she'll scream with my cholesterol lvl in my blood.
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Soy & Rice milk are acquired taste. Once you get used to it, it's just another pleasant drink. I dun abstain from milk cos I need it for making Kefir. At times, I boil them to make capucino and latte. Using soy or rice then would not be appropriate. ;)
Peace!
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Rick
As I understand it.....goats milk can be consumed by those of us who are lactose intolerant with no problems. There is a delightful cheese (Armenian string cheese with poppy seeds) made from goats milk that is available in most stores.
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I usually drink almond milk. As a male, I don't need the extra estrogen.
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I'm lactose intolerant so I drink Lactaid milk. I also drink Soy milk in my cereal. I have gotten used to the taste. It isn't bad in cereal
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I LOVE SOY MILK!
ITS WAY BETTER THAN COWS MILK!
HAS MORE PROTEIN TOO! I MEAN I HAVE OTHER WAYS TO GET MY PROTEIN BUT VANILLA SOY MILK BEATS THE OTHER OPTIONS.
I ONCE READ IN AN ARTICLE THAT STORE BOUGHT COW MILK (non organic) IS ABSOLUTELY BAD!
THIS IS GOING TO SOUND GROSS BUT SUPPOSEDLY IT HAS PUSS!
IT WAS READING THIS FROM A PETA THING THAT WAS IN MY BIOLOGY/ENVIRONMENT CLASS.
SUPPOSEDLY THAT COWS NIPPLES GET SO WORKED AND SO OVER MILKED THAT PUSS BUILDS INSIDE AND WELL SOME PORTION OF THE MILK IS PUSS.
EVER SINCE I READ THAT I HAVE BEEN DISGUSTED!
I BUY VANILLA SOY MILK. (THE OTHER FLAVORS ARE WEIRD TASTING)
IF YOU LIKE COW MILK SPEND THE EXTRA $1.00 ON ORGANIC. I REALLY DOUBT YOU WANT COW PUSS IN YOUR MORNING CEREAL.
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I live in Greece and soy milk it's a relatively new trend here. I have tried an organically made soy+rice powder milk that's imported from Germany. It has a mild sweet aftertaste due to rice powder ingredients. Since I developed a lactose intolerance due to my meds, I am going to switch to that type of milk when eating cereal.
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Soy milk? Revolting stuff. With a flavour and texture not unlike that of over the counter antacids, soy milk is truly an abomination.
It amuses Matty the Damned that vegans, people with allergies, those in search of "natural organic diets", religious weirdos and other undesirable sorts sing the praises of this noxious fluid. Obviously they've never seen it being made. The things that one has to do to a soy bean to turn it into "milk" would cause them no end of grief.
MtD
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I ONCE READ IN AN ARTICLE THAT STORE BOUGHT COW MILK (non organic) IS ABSOLUTELY BAD!
THIS IS GOING TO SOUND GROSS BUT SUPPOSEDLY IT HAS PUSS!
IT WAS READING THIS FROM A PETA THING THAT WAS IN MY BIOLOGY/ENVIRONMENT CLASS.
SUPPOSEDLY THAT COWS NIPPLES GET SO WORKED AND SO OVER MILKED THAT PUSS BUILDS INSIDE AND WELL SOME PORTION OF THE MILK IS PUSS.
EVER SINCE I READ THAT I HAVE BEEN DISGUSTED!
A PETA thing. Now there's an unbiased & reliable source of information, I'm sure.
AND WHAT'S WITH ALL THE SHOUTING, JESSICA?
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A PETA thing. Now there's an unbiased & reliable source of information, I'm sure.
AND WHAT'S WITH ALL THE SHOUTING, JESSICA?
CAN YOU PICK ON SOMEONE YOUR OWN AGE.
I LIKE WRITING IN CAPS. I MEAN THIS FORUM CAN ONLY CONTROL OUR ACTIONS TO A CERTAIN DEGREE. THEY CANT CONTROL OUR FONT.
HAVE A GOOD ONE!
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Actually Jessica,
Typing in all caps ALL THE FUCKING TIME is considered to be rude and juvenile. You don't have to shout, your gayness can be seen from space.
Why don't you just knock it off already?
::)
MtD
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HOW ABOUT YOU TOO PICK ON SOMEONE YOUR OWN AGE AUSSIE MAN!
GO PLAY FETCH OR SOMETHING.
I CAN TYPE IN CAPS. ITS MY STYLE OF WRITING. YOU CANT CONTROL THAT MR.SISTER.
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Listen Swishy Pete,
You're not popular enough to be annoying. So why not dial down the squealing twink routine and observe standard forums etiquette?
MtD
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Listen Swishy Pete,
You're not popular enough to be annoying. So why not dial down the squealing twink routine and observe standard forums etiquette?
MtD
Look you BOOMERANG shooting beast. How about you try to back off me and mind your own business instead of trying to pester my life with your imprudent remarks.
if you have nothing better to do go kill an alligator or kick box a Kangaroo! ;D
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CAN YOU PICK ON SOMEONE YOUR OWN AGE.
I LIKE WRITING IN CAPS. I MEAN THIS FORUM CAN ONLY CONTROL OUR ACTIONS TO A CERTAIN DEGREE. THEY CANT CONTROL OUR FONT.
HAVE A GOOD ONE!
That's a heck of a way to speak to me. The rest of this crowd was over you yesterday. I was giving you an extended line of credit. Because I'm sweet like that.
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Timmy,
Let it go. She doesn't know any better.
MtD
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That's a heck of a way to speak to me. The rest of this crowd was over you yesterday. I was giving you an extended line of credit. Because I'm sweet like that.
Hey the crowd doesnt pay my bills so I can do without them too, but I prefer to stick it out and read all the interesting point of views and in the process learn a thing or two.
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how appreciative of you.
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Hmmm, guess drinking milk or soy does bring out the BEAST (Moo) or NUTS (Beans) in you. ;D
Actually, making of soy milk is pretty straight forward as I have already mentioned and provided the method earlier in this thread. Contamination of food applies to any food if it were meant that way by unscrupulous manufacturers, so it's not really correct to just pick on milk and soy alone.
Incidentally, it's a cyber known that continuous CAPS are considered shouting if not just used to highlight an expression. The forum and the usual good people here are simply stating an observed goodwill to make reading easier on the eye so no need to turn a simple thread into a battle ground. We have enough violence in this world already, so leave those poor cows and beans alone, WILL YA !!??? :D :-* 8)
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Hey Merlin,
I never thought I'd be grateful to see a thread about soy products get back on topic, but there ya go. ;)
Actually, making of soy milk is pretty straight forward as I have already mentioned and provided the method earlier in this thread. Contamination of food applies to any food if it were meant that way by unscrupulous manufacturers, so it's not really correct to just pick on milk and soy alone.
I once had the grand misfortune to see the commercial production of soy products including "milk". It was horrific. Hydrogenisation is truly a revolting thing. I'm sure that it's different when you strain the extract of organic soy beans soaked in the purest water from the cave of the Bhutanese ice leopard or what-the-hell-ever but that factory visit fixed me on soy.
Oh and the truly horrifying taste of the stuff.
-shudder- ;D
MtD
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Hey, Matty, that didn't happen to be in China or did it?...damned like u say it..lol ;D
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Nope, right here in the Grand Old Land of Oz. But then Matty the Damned is familiar with the disgusting things the Chinese claim to be food.
Sometimes soy sauce, ain't soy sauce . . . (http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/waiwai/archive/news/2004/11/20041117p2g00m0dm999000c.html)
Yum!
MtD
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OMG!!! Does that mean the reverse is true????....my hair is actually made up of soybeans? :o
Cool....Me wan U call me Bob Marley then.. :D
Sweet...
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OK, I bought some Kefir, thought I would give it a try.
Nobody warned me about the consistency of that stuff.
All I have to say is, "Ewww."
HUGS,
Mark
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OK, I bought some Kefir, thought I would give it a try.
Nobody warned me about the consistency of that stuff.
All I have to say is, "Ewww."
HUGS,
Mark
gotcha :P
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Mark, where did u buy the Kefir? Make sure they are grains and not in powdered form. This topic should be discussed in the Kefir thread though. ;)
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Soy milk, soy milk all for me!
I drink so much it makes me pee
My palate is cow tit mucus free
Cuz don't need cholesterol, fat, bovine growth hormone and other animal drugs, Posilac, lactose, antibiotics and Christ knows what else in me!
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Like everything else, all has its pros and cons.
Moderation is Key!
;D
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Cuz don't need cholesterol, fat, bovine growth hormone and other animal drugs, Posilac, lactose, antibiotics and Christ knows what else in me!
I've got something to put in you, and it'll make you feel mahhh-velous!
....crunching away on my muesli mix with raspberries and chocolate soy milk here.....
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Yes, I drink Silk. Make sure you get the one that has 15 grams of carbs or less. Some brands contain too many carbs and fat. The one I drink has 3 grams of fat and 10 grams of carbs. I also purchase low fat tofu and marinate it with garlic, parsley. turmeric, paprika, and dry mustard. Then I broil it in the toaster oven.
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Yes, I drink Silk. Make sure you get the one that has 15 grams of carbs or less. Some brands contain too many carbs and fat. The one I drink has 3 grams of fat and 10 grams of carbs. I also purchase low fat tofu and marinate it with garlic, parsley. turmeric, paprika, and dry mustard. Then I broil it in the toaster oven.
Hey Nikki,
Don't get me wrong, but how in the world do you get too much fat from soy milk and tofu? They have little or no fats to begin with and no animal fats - or animal proteins for that matter.
Just wondering.
HUGS,
Mark
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I took three classes with ADA beginners, intermediate, and advance for insulin pump wearers. During our discussion a student inquirered about soy. The nutritionist had about 10 brands of soy milk (west soy, silk, Whole foods brand, etc) and tofu .She distributed the containers for us to read and yes some brands have more fat and carbs than others. And yes silk makes a unsweetened brand and a nonfat brand as well as west soy and a few others. Low fattofu and soy is partically good for those with reflux.
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Hi All,
I don't want to beat a dead soy bean, but there is more at stake here than one's own taste.
"The hormones in cow's milk are potentially far more harmful than those in plants", says Dr. Justine Butler
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1839434,00.html
which rebuts this- http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,1828088,00.html
There is a fascinating story here where health, politics and the power and profit of corporations mix. You can see some of this on the wikipedia site for soy milk- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soy_milk
This would make a great book or article...
Best,
Drew
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Silk just came out with a *very* vanilla soy milk, it's SO AMAZING I LOVE IT SO MUCH. And the store down the street sells it. I literally go through about 3 cartons a week.
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I love it too and have even before this now, new to me, hiv! Soy is fabulous.
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yummy... thread revival!
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I can't imagine why you'd post on this thread.... you only eat and drink souls.
LOL.
-joseph
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Soy milk tastes awful IMHO. Fortunately a lot of treated lactosefree dairy products have become available in the last few years which have almost the same taste as the non-treated, from-the-cow-product. Since I don't have any ethical problems with dairy products I have no need for the soy or oat-based substitutions.
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Soy milk gives me rank, room clearing gas.....
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Soy milk gives me rank, room clearing gas.....
That's hawt!
-joseph
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Thought you would like that ;)
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I'm lactose intolerant and before I even knew about Soy Milk..I never drank it. After years of not drinking milk, I tasted Vanilla flavored Silk Soy Milk...and IT'S WONDERFUL! Now I'm drinking soy milk and getting my calcium....It's the best!
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Hi Tex
I'm glad you found a substitute to cows milk. But, as with all foods and beverages, its important to know what you are drinking. Specifically, that, in itself, soy beans do not contain much calcium and it is ADDED as a supplement to the soy milk. Reading labels is a good idea to make sure it is calcium fortified. My partner, Kurt who is experiencing all the problems associated with lipodystrophy has been taking calcium supplements for awhile now. He is not lactose intolerant, but drinking milk ( well, not so much drinking it as using it on cereal) does not provide him with enough calcium.
Check with your nutritionist to see if you are getting the proper amount of calcium.
Good luck.
Joel
modified to add: I checked with Kurt and he is taking 600 IU of calcium daily, as a supplement, because he has osteoporosis.
Soy foods are the only plant-based complete proteins. One cup of unfortified soymilk contains almost 7 grams of protein, 4 grams of carbohydrate, 4½ grams of fat, and no cholesterol. Although soymilk supplies some B vitamins, it's not a good source of B12, nor does it provide a significant amount of calcium. Since many people substitute soy beverages for cow's milk, manufacturers have offered fortified versions. These varieties may include calcium and vitamins E, B12, and D, among other nutrients. If you choose soymilk, read labels carefully to be sure you're getting enough of these important nutrients.