Blowjob HIV concern

[jl881903]

Hi experts,

I had unprotected oral sex (She sucks my dick) with a sex worker few days ago, I wonder what is the risk for me to infect HIV. From the archives on this site, ppl said the risk is very very low and some of you said it is NONEXISTENT, but doctor Bob from thebody.com said that the estimated per-act risk for acquiring HIV from unprotected insertive (being sucked) oral sex with a partner CONFIRMED to be HIV positive is 0.5 per 10,000 exposures. I wonder how did this figure come up with? Does it mean for every 20000 blowjob with a HIV positive partner, 1 would become infected? If that's true, then how would you guys say the risk is NONEXISTS?? From my understanding, NONEXISTS mean zero out of whatever number. Thank you for your answer, I am very worry to became the 1 out of 20000.

[411]

Well, I'm not aware of anyone who has ever become infected via oral sex as the insertive participant and I would wager that if you add up all the fears threads about insertive oral sex you would find that 1 in 20,000 number to be a serious overestimate.

More seriously though, whenever someone undertakes an epidemiological study something has to be baseline zero and something has to be assigned a value at the opposite end. We know that the only truly safe sex is abstinence therefore that is baseline zero. Add another person and that baseline becomes altered in recognition of the sexual act. There are a few very remarkable situations were the insertive partner may be at risk, hence the term theoretical risk, meaning it could happen under extremely rare circumstances but in fact hasn't been documented. We know that unprotected receptive anal sex with a positive person is the riskiest act therefore it represents the high end of the scale. Everything else lies somewhere on that scale.

Insertive oral sex is as close to zero risk as possible given that even the numbers you quote are flawed as there has never been a documented case where the insertive partner became infected through oral sex; consequently, that 0.5 per 10,000 acts was drawn as a BEST GUESS because no intimate sexual act involving 2 people is absolutely without risk.

You don't get HIV through insertive oral sex, 20,000+ fear of blowjob threads don't lie
Now get out of here before I think I've wasted my time.

[jl881903]

But why the experts like Andy and Ann in here said the risk of blowjob (insertive) is non-exists and not recommend a test if it is possible even there is a chance of 1 out of 20,000?
One more question: what is the different between reported case and documented case?

[RapidRod]

Drop with the numbers game. You been given the facts and the fact is you don't get HIV from receiving a blowjob. Period. End of Story. You mean documented and undocumented (theoretical)?

When scientists describe the risk of transmitting an infectious disease, like HIV, the term “theoretical risk” is often used. Very simple, “theoretical risk” means that passing an infection from one person to another is possible, even though there may not yet be any actual documented cases. “Theoretical risk” is not the same as likelihood. In other words, stating that HIV infection is “theoretically possible” does not necessarily mean it is likely to happen –only that it might. Documented risk, on the other hand, is used to describe transmission that has actually occurred, been investigated, and documented in the scientific literature.

So since the beginning of HIV no one has ever been infected from receiving a blowjob. So what is that say? It is no a way to transmit HIV.

[Ann]

jl,

The study Dr Bob cites is old and discredited. Basically, the scientists who designed that study pulled those numbers out of thin air. If you'd bothered to read the Welcome Thread and followed the Transmission Lesson link, you would have seen this study discussed.

Getting your dick sucked is not a risk for hiv infection. Never has been, never will be. Not one person in 25+ years of this pandemic has gotten infected this way and you won't be the first.

Here's what you need to do to protect yourself against hiv infection: You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL STIs together. To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with a sexually transmitted infection. Sex with a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.

Have a look through the condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.

Anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results. Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple.

Ann

[jl881903]

Ann, thanks for your reply. I had tested for sexual diseases half year ago, and I had only encountered two times unprotected oral and protected intercourse after the test. Do you recommend to test again after 3 months?

One more question. During the blow job, I didn't see any blood but what I concern was she had very little amount of bloood in her mouth (or a tiny wound) which is not obvisously to be seen. How much of blood will transmit HIV? If that kind of little amount of blood would not transmit HIV, howcome ppl will be infected if they got a needle shot accidentally?

[RapidRod]

Read the forum and you'll see that question has been answered several times.

[Ann]

If that kind of little amount of blood would not transmit HIV, howcome ppl will be infected if they got a needle shot accidentally?

jl,

That's a bit like asking why don't you get wet when standing inside, looking out at the rain, but people outside get wet. When people become infected through needle sticks it is because infected blood has been injected directly into their body.

There are only certain types of cells that hiv can infect and they are mainly found in the bloodstream. Plus, saliva contains over a dozen different protiens and enzymes that render hiv incapable of latching onto a cell and infecting it.

Once again, getting your dick sucked is not a risk for hiv infection. Never has been, never will be. Not one person in 25+ years of this pandemic has gotten infected this way and you won't be the first.

Ann

[jl881903]

Thank you so much for your help. Besides AIDS, if I want to do a general STD test, is there any window period apply to it?

[Andy Velez]

As far as other STDs are concerned, you should be discussing that with your doctor, especially if you have any symptoms that are concerning you.

In most cases and STD is going to show up within three months. With Hepatitis A, B & C, it can be up to six months before symptoms become manifest.

As a general rule, if you're sexually active getting a full STD panel done at least annually is a good idea, and every six months is even better. Other STDs are much easier to acquire than HIV.