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Estoy infectado? / Re: Ayuda andy . confundido con esto
« Last post by Locowocone on Today at 11:22:49 am »
Andy disculpas.la molestias. Como te digo en marzo me ise la prueba rapida y salio reactivo para hiv tipo 2.. Lo mas raro es q en febrero me ise en el mlsmo laboratorio y dando no reactivo ah 9 meses de mi relacion sin condon. Bueno me fui a un laboratorio a 2 dias y me ise una prueba de electroquimiluscencia dando no reactivo para ambos hiv 1/2 . en cual debo confiar. Me puedes ayudar con eso .te lo adradesco
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Hi

Its a rapid test post PEP. Look I would not expect your status to change because you used PEP but test 3 months post PEP for a conclusive result and going forward test for easier to transmit STIs and HIV at least yearly as a normal routine and use condoms for any intercourse

Jim
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Hi again,

I managed to muster the courage to do a ORA quick test today and it was negative. Thats about 3 weeks since I finished PEP.

Do you think that is pretty conclusive?
Would you expect it to change?

Thank you for your help.
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Estoy infectado? / Re: Ayuda andy . confundido con esto
« Last post by Andy Velez on Today at 09:26:46 am »
El resultado negativo de tu es mas importante.

Yo entiendo que estas nervioso pero es innecesario y no vamos a continuar una ronda de dudas.
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Estoy infectado? / Re: AYUDA, Sexo Oral
« Last post by Andy Velez on Today at 09:24:27 am »
Termina buscando por una problema con el VIH que no existe para tu.

Adelante con tu vida normal.  Por supuesto tu puede probar por el VIH solamente por tu paz mental.  Si decide a probar estoy seguro tu resultado sera negativo.
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Estoy infectado? / Re: Riesgo de infección
« Last post by Andy Velez on Today at 09:22:05 am »
Miedos no son hechos.  Ninguno de tu sintomas es el VIH especifico.  Tiene que discutirlos con tu doctor.

Yo sigo esperando que el resultado de tu prueba proxima sera negativo.
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I Just Tested Poz / Re: LUCKY ME? I DON'T THINK SO>>..
« Last post by JimDublin on Today at 09:09:30 am »
***MOD NOTE***

Jenny,

I sent you a PM last night that we were reviewing this topic.

You have lied and have admitted to lying and with that to a number of things. This brings everything you have said into serious doubts.  You keep contradicting yourself and changing the story about what was said by medical teams, when things happened, time lines and how.

You have also repeatedly been asked to provide links for your claims in regards to claims made here including the treatment and life expectancy claims and despite us continued asking and showing patience with you, you have not back up your "theories" and/or claims of research and you have yet to a single reference that meets any standards or published works and/or full citations.  This is unacceptable

So far you have only 1 outdated and simply incorrect statement and a you-tube vid that does not even address the question or claim you made.  (This bothers me personally prehaps the most as the internet is filled with claims and nonsense, and this is not the correct forum for that and so it will not be tolerated here)

Example of the life expectancy is only one, your thread is littered with claims and nothing to back it up.

You did not come back to your claims that there is no evidence when someone will test positive post exposure. Well there is 35 years worth of evidence now and the reason you can't simply back up your claims is because its basically nonsense and we gave you ample room to come back and clarify.

We are very careful when we do assessments and when and why and how the window period could be extended in the exceptional 0.01% of cases and the conditions needed that it may arise. There is no point beliving it is anything more than exceptional case in millions with  know situations that simply don't apply to the general population who are regularly testing and none of the conditions you mentioned. Claiming to be the 0.01 anomaly did not bother us, or me at least and lets be clear on that,  however claiming it and than changing the story, timelines and making sweeping statements that are false about testing for the general population to cover your arse and claiming its not know is an issue.

With assessments we have to be careful to make sure people know these are not just our opinions and they are based and the latest peer reviewed science . I appreciate that you were concerned but offering your story and lying about it against the facts and when you were not sure on the timelines or exposure was is not helpful at all neither is claiming its not know when someone will test positive.*

When given instructions and requests you have chosen to ignore them and finally when it lead to a minor time-out instead of taking the time to reflect and come back start afresh as was suggested you come back and decided to flame-bait to get an angry reaction and got one, including questioning the mod teams time-out and calling the mod team (In this case me) a coward.



You are being handed a 90 day ban, this thread will be locked and the topic, your story for you own good is permanently closed.

When you come back post the time-out you can start a new thread afresh and update us on how you are getting on and I strongly suggest you leave this thread and the topics to the past.

Please note: We have jointly also decided that If you return and continue this line of posting, or repeat any of the issues warned for previously it will sadly lead to an imitate & permanent ban.

When you come back I truly hope that you have started treatment by then, engaged with your HIV care, as other members have also pointed out there is no reason for you to delay seeking treatment and support for your HIV and I also hope you have made progress on seeking support for your depression/anxiety.

When to start treatment information for anyone reading this thread and wondering: https://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=68419.0

We all understand being newly diagnosed can be a very difficult, emotional and confusing time for some people and we do understand you have a lot on your plate right now what matters is you are here now and we all truly do wish you all the best

Note that the Moderator teams decisions to time-out or ban a member of these forums are joint decisions and are thoroughly discussed beforehand. Its to be frank exceptional, rare occurrence understand the forum members with exception for the "Am I" members. We do not want to exclude people from these forums but at the same time, we need to keep this place safe for all.

Jim


https://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=277.0

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Forums members must behave at all times with respect and honesty.

We ask all forums members to provide references for health/medical/scientific information they provide, when it is not a personal experience being discussed. Please provide hyperlinks with full URLs or full citations of published works not available via the Internet. Additionally, all forums members must post information which are true and correct to their knowledge.

If a member has an issue with a moderators decision please send a PM or use the report to moderator feature and you're concerns will be considered. Starting threads or sending harassing PM's questioning a moderators decision will result in a warning and the thread will immediately be locked. If a member persist harassing a moderator they will then be given a 7 day time out. If a forum member returns after a time out and continues the harassment they will be given a 30 day time out. There are no 3rd time outs or warnings, if a member continues the harassment it will result in a permanent ban.   

Offences that may result in a warning and/or TO include abusive language, personal attacks, threats, and starting threads or posting comments that are designed to provoke an angry response - a practice known as flame-baiting (see a definition at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flamebait). If you find yourself wondering if you will be warned/TOd over a comment, it's probably best to not make the comment. You will not be warned/TOd over stating your opinion in a respectful manner, without personal attacks.

Posting unacceptable comments, as outlined above, and editing them out later (to avoid being warned or TOd) will be noticed by the moderators and will not be tolerated.

*

Generation 1/2/3

Pilcher CD et al. Performance of Rapid Point-of-Care and Laboratory Tests for Acute and Established HIV Infection in San Francisco. PLOS ONE, 2013.

Branson BM State of the art for diagnosis of HIV infection. Clin Infect Dis 45:S221-225, 2007

Coombs RW Clinical laboratory diagnosis of HIV-1 and use of viral RNA to monitor infection. In Holmes KK (editor), Sexually Transmitted Diseases. New York: McGraw-Hill, 2008

Maldarelli F Diagnosis of Human Immunodeficiency Virus infection. In Mandell, Douglas and Bennett’s Principles and Practice of Infectious Diseases (sixth edition). Philadelphia: Elsevier Churchill Livingstone, 2004

Parry JV et al. Towards error-free HIV diagnosis: guidelines on laboratory practice. Comm Dis Pub Health 6:334-350, 2003

3rd gen testing accuracy Perry KR et al. Improvement in the performance of HIV screening kits. Transfus Med 18:228-240, 2008

Generation 3 & 4
2015

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25033879
(Blood drawn tests)
Abstract
Patients typically want accurate test results as soon as possible while clinicians prefer to wait until the probability of a false-negative is virtually nil. This review summarizes the median window periods for third-generation antibody and fourth-generation HIV tests and provides the probability of a false-negative result for various days post-exposure. Data were extracted from published seroconversion panels. The median (interquartile range) window period for third-generation tests was 22 days (19-25) and 18 days (16-24) for fourth-generation tests. The probability of a false-negative result is 0.01 at 80 days' post-exposure for third-generation tests and at 42 days for fourth-generation tests.

June 2016 write-up
http://i-base.info/guides/testing/appendix-1-different-types-of-hiv-test

Generation 4

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/testing/clinical/index.html
2018
CDC recently published research findings that estimate the window period for 20 U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA)-approved HIV tests. The study showed that laboratory testing using antigen/antibody tests detects HIV infection sooner than other available tests that detect only antibodies. If a person gets a laboratory-based antigen/antibody test on blood plasma less than 45 days after a possible HIV exposure and the result is negative, follow-up testing can begin 45 days after the possible HIV exposure. For all other tests, CDC recommends testing again at least 90 days after exposure to be sure that a negative test result is accurate.

Bentsen C Performance evaluation of the Bio-Rad Laboratories GS HIV Combo Ag/Ab EIA, a 4th generation HIV assay for the simultaneous detection of HIV p24 antigen and antibodies to HIV-1 (groups M and O) and HIV-2 in human serum or plasma. Journal of Clinical Virology, S57-S61, 2011

Nick S Sensitivities of CE-Marked HIV, HCV, and HBsAg Assays. Journal of Medical Virology, S59-S64, 2007

Eshelman S Detection of Individuals With Acute HIV-1 Infection Using the ARCHITECT HIV Ag/Ab Combo Assay. Journal of Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndromes, 121-4, 2009

Speers D et al. Combination assay detecting both Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV) p24 antigen and anti-HIV antibodies opens a second diagnostic window. J Clin Microbiol 43:5397-5399, 2005

Ly TD et al. Evaluation of the sensitivity and specificity of six HIV combined p24 antigen and antibody assays. J Virol Methods 122:185-94, 2004

http://www.bhiva.org/
Testing guidelines bhiva "British HIV association" : Although fourth generation tests shorten the time from exposure to seroconversion a repeat test at three months is still recommended to definitively exclude HIV infection.


2015 WHO http://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/179870/9789241508926_eng.pdf;jsessionid=1F192FECF734A0DE7E2520864984AE63?sequence=1
In many settings post-test counselling messages recommend that all people who have a
non-reactive (HIV-negative) test result should return for retesting to rule out acute
infection that is too early for the test to detect (in other words, in the window period.
- 3 months) However, retesting is needed only for HIV-negative individuals who report recent or ongoing risk of exposure. For most people who test HIV-negative, additional retesting to rule out being in the window period is not necessary and may waste resources.


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Vivir con el VIH / Re: streptococous
« Last post by Tonny2 on Today at 08:34:19 am »
Hola Tonny2, y a todos los demás. Como me alegro de leer que ya tienes tu garganta curada. Es algo pasajero y a todo el mundo le pasa, la faringitis es algo muy usual.
Con lo de tu brazo y el dolor, no hay operación ?? y algun otro medicamento??

muchos saludos desde Barcelona.

        OJO       HOLA CRIS...GRACIAS POR TUS BUENAS VIBRAS, SI, YA ESTOY BIEN Y HASTA ME ENFERME DE LA FLU, JAJAJAJ, EMPECE EL ANO MUY BIEN, HASTA YA VISITE EL HOSPITAL POR PRIMERA VEZ, JEJEJEJ, NO MAS POR FA.

LO DE MI BRAZO, SI TIENE OPERACION, SERIA UN TRANSPLANTE DE HOMBRE, DIGO, DE HOMBRO, PERO, ESTE REEMPLAZO TIENE UN TIEMPO DE VIDA, Y SEGUN EL MEDICO, SOY MUY JOVEN, FAVOR QUE ME HACE, PARA ESTE TIPO DE CIRUJIA, ASI QUE TENGO QUE ESPERAR HASTA QUE EL DOLOR SEA INSOPORTABLE PARA HACERME ESA CIRUJIA...MEDICAMENTOS, SOLO NARCOTICOS, LAMENTABLEMENTE, SOY ALERGICO A TODOS ESOS MEDICAMENTOS, CON EXCEPCION DE UNO, QUE LO TOMO CUANDO YA NO AGUANTO EL DOLOR...LO QUE ME PREOCUPA MAS AHORA, ES QUE MI VISION SE PONE PEOR, HASTA YA CASI, CASI, NO PUEDO SACAR A PASEAR A MI PERRILLO A DARLE LA VUELTA POR MI VECINDARIO A MI PERRILLO. ME CONOZCO CASA DESNIVEL DE LA CALLE, PERO NO VEO SI VIENEN OTRAS PERSONAS CON SUS PERROS O SOLAS ENFRENTE DE MI, LO QUE CAUSA UN PLEITO DE CANES, JEJEJJ, A MI PERRILLO LE GUSTA LADRARLE A LOS PERROS MAS GRANDES QUE EL, MI PERRILLO ES UN BICHON COTON DE TULEAR, MIDE SOLO DOCE PULGADAS...BUENO, YA VEREMOS QUE PASA...GRACIAS OTRA VEZ Y NO TE NOS PIERDAS, PORQQUE QUIERO IR A MADRID Y BARCELONA Y NECESITARE DE UN GUIA DE TURISTA, QUIEN MEJOR QUE TU PARA ESO, TE VA?...ABRAZOS DESDE LA XONA DE LOS GRANDES LAGOS, USA, DONDE FINALMENTE YA REGRESO LA VIDA A LA NATURALEZA, TODO ESTA VERDE Y LLENO DE VIDA, DE VERDAD QUE ES HERMOSA ESTA PARTE DE GRINGOLANDIA                                                                                                                               OJO

PD. PERDON POR LOS ERRORES, RECUERDEN QUE ESTOY CASI CIEGO POR CAUSA DE EL CMV, PERO SIGO VIVO...QUE NO!!!
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Vivir con el VIH / Re: Regresando al foro.
« Last post by Tonny2 on Today at 08:10:48 am »

        ojo        HOLA...QUE GUSTO SABER DE TI NUEVAMENTE AMIGO ALBERTO, DE VERS QUE ME ALEGRA MUCHO SABER DE TI NUEVAMENTE, TU SABES PORQUE.

ME DA MUCHO GUSTO SABER QUE SIGUES CON EL TRATAMIENTO APESR DE TODAS LAS DIFICULTADES QUE TIENES EN TU VIDA, TE JURO QUE  DEMUESTRAS DE QUE ESTAS HECHO Y, QUE DESEAS SEGUIR VIVIENDO APESAR DE TODO, ME ENORGULLECE MUCHO EL HABERTE CONOCIDO VIRTUALMENTE, ERES UN EJEMPLO A SEGUIR.

CREO QUE CONTESTE TU MENSAJE PRIVADO, SI NO LO HICE, DEJAMELO SABER POR FA. ADEMAS, DISCULPAME POR MI TARDIA RESPUESTA, HE ANDADO UN POCO ENFERMO, BUENO, DEBO DECIR QUE YA ESTOY BIEN, HASTA EN URGENCIAS TERMINE, PERO AQUI ESTOY DE BUEVO.

PERO PLATICANOS, APARTE DE ESOS EXCELENTES NUMEROS, COMO TE TRATA LA VIDA, BUENO, PERDON, ESPERO QUE LA ESTES PASANDO MEJOR. TE INVITO A QUE NOS PLATIQUES TODAS LAS VISICITUDES DE TU VIDA, DE ESTA MANERA, TE DESHAGORAS Y DE SEGURO, ALGUNO DE NOSOTROS TE PODREMOS DAR UNA MANO, VIRTUAL, PERO AL FIN, UNA MANO, UN HOMBRO DONDE TE PUEDAS RECARGAR, MIRA QUE YO LO HE NECESITADO MUCHAS VECES...MUCHAS VECES, NOS OLVIDAMOS QUE NO SOLO EL VIH ES PARTE DE NUESTROA VIDA COTIDIANA, SINO TAMBIEN EL NUMERO DE PROBLEMAS QUE LA MISMA VIDA NOS PRESENTA CADA DIA, Y NOS PESAN MUCHO, SOBRE TODO, CUANDO NO TENEMOS CON QUIEN COMPORTIR NUESTRO ESTATUS, CREO QUE SOLO ESTO, NOS HACE MUCHO MAS DIFICIL LOS OTROS PROBLEMAS QUE SE NOS PRESENTAN CADA DIA DE NUESTRAS VIDAS.

OTRA VEZ, ME ENCANTO LEER TU PM, Y SOBRE TODO, LEERTE AQUI, CONTANDONEOS TUS BUENAS NUEVAS, A LO QUE A TU SALUD SE REFIERE...TE MANDO UN ABRAZO DEL TAMANO DEL MUNDO                                           OJO
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I Just Tested Poz / Re: LUCKY ME? I DON'T THINK SO>>..
« Last post by CaveyUK on Today at 07:15:58 am »
Hi Jenny

Perhaps it would help if I explain something, which may not be immediately apparent.

I'm on the moderator team, and I help out in the 'Am I Infected' forum which is by far the busiest forum on here and has a constant stream of (mostly) worried wells with all manner of odd things causing them anxiety.

Now, on that forum we stick to the known science and official guidelines regarding testing and risk factors. It means that the message is consistent and we don't leave ambiguity floating around to further worry people who don't need to worry.

Imagine if someone posted on the main forums here that they contracted HIV from a toilet seat - something we have known for many years is impossible. It wouldn't matter how many rebuttals we make in that thread, there will be a lot of people in the 'Am I Infected' forum who read the main threads and will suddenly start panicking about toilet seats. It would spin a new strand of misinformation which is exactly what everyone is trying to avoid in an age where stigma still exists.

Poz is a forum which sticks to the science for that very reason.

Now your post, no matter how well meaning, caused a number of people to worry and we had to field a variety of queries based on your claims. It really doesn't matter how or when you acquired HIV, but given the noise it was generating and the subsequent change of story, the time out was a measure taking not for any personal reason, but to safeguard the integrity of the forums.

It doesn't even really matter if you are 100% certain of the seroconversion timelines and think we are all idiots for not buying it. At the end of the day the most important thing is to get on treatment and get support for continuing to live a healthy life despite having the virus. Many of us here do not know when we were picked HIV up, but it's not really important.

The only advice I could give you regarding the seroconversion timelines is to speak to your healthcare provider and ask them to communicate the details of your case to appropriate authorities, so that further investigation can take place and if indeed you were an outlying case to that extent, then your case may help to revise scientific opinion. From a personal perspective I don't think it will change anything, but don't take that as an attack on yourself - it's just an opinion.

In the meantime, it would be wise not to continue the argument, as - for the reasons outlined above - we wouldn't have any choice but to take action for the good of the forum. Instead just focus on looking ahead and getting on treatment.

Please take this in the spirit it is meant. We are all on the same team here.
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