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Possible Risk and Test Results Worries
« on: August 16, 2021, 01:25:27 pm »
Hi all, Iím experiencing a deep anxiety and worried about my HIV risk and the accuracy of test results.

One week ago, I went to a massage parlour in Hong Kong. She gave me a massage for around 1 and a half hour, at the end she got naked but with underwear on and finished up with a handjob with massage oil on my penis. While giving me a handjob (without gloves) with her left hand she also gave me an anal fingering (around half of her finger inside) but with gloves on. Nothing else happened. Iím also quite sure that there isnít any blood on her hand or my genital, since I wiped it off with tissue and canít see any blood.

Although I searched around the internet and other forums saying itís risk free, Iím still quite worried since Iím experiencing a low grade fever, weight loss and severe diarrhoea now after a week for 3 days. The below will be my concern:

1) Am I at risk? Iím asking this because My obsessional thoughts makes me keep thinking that what if thereíre her secretions or maybe some other body fluids on her hand (maybe fingering herself before giving me a handjob or fingering, since my eyes are closed Iím not sure did she did that) while giving me a handjob or fingering?

2) Today is the ninth days after this possible exposure, and Iíve gotten a RNA PCR test in a clinic, results came out just now undetectable. So my question is can this test at least rule out that the symptoms Iím experiencing now has no connection with HIV ARS symptoms?

3) Is the RNA PCR test reassuring? I know it is not a conclusive test, but can this test shows that Iím safe in a bigger chance? Maybe around 90%?

Please help me out since this is bothering me these few days and I just canít have a goodnight sleep. Many thanks to all!

To add up, Iíve called the clinic and ask about my test results, they said although the RNA is not a conclusive test(by following the guide, I would need a 4th generation test on the 28th days for a conclusive results), but the chances of me getting HIV just from the test results is extremely unlikely. They said theyíve never seen someone else turns positive after a negative RNA test after seven days of exposure.

Iíve also called the local HIV/AIDS organisation and asked about the test results, they gave me a similar answer saying itís not conclusive but highly reliable.

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Re: Possible Risk and Test Results Worries
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2021, 01:29:31 pm »
Hiya,

Read your post three times, your concerns about this encounter lack all the conditions needed for acquiring HIV. You had zero HIV risk from this encounter, no test needed, move on with your life

Here's what you need to know to avoid HIV infection:
Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, every time, no exceptions. Consider talking to your health care provider about taking PrEP going forward as an additional layer of HIV protection.

Keep in mind that some sexual practices which may be described as Ďsafeí in terms of HIV transmission might still pose a risk for transmission of other STI's, so please do get fully tested regularly and at least yearly for all STI's including but not limited to HIV and test more frequently if unprotected intercourse occurs

Also, note that it is possible to have an STI and show no signs or symptoms and the only way of knowing is by testing.

Kind regards

Jim

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Re: Possible Risk and Test Results Worries
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2021, 02:05:14 pm »
Hi Jim, thank you so much for your keen reply.
I understand that im not in risk, but what if she uses her vaginal fluid as lubricant while giving me a handjob or fingering? Will this increase my risk?

Other then my ďno riskĒ exposure, can you please give me some more information about my 2 RNA PCR test results questions? Excluding my encounter, how reliable is a RNA PCR test on the ninth days? And also if a person is experiencing maybe HIV ARS symptoms, can a negative RNA test rule out that the symptoms is not related to HIV?

Many thanks again, just want to have more clarifications and information on the RNA test. Thank you.

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Re: Possible Risk and Test Results Worries
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2021, 02:44:00 pm »
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I understand that im not in risk, but what if she uses her vaginal fluid as lubricant while giving me a handjob or fingering? Will this increase my risk?

Not a risk. I've already read this concern already in your first post and answered it in my first reply. zero x zero = zero.

It lacks all the conditions required and exposure to viable HIV. The fluids are not a concern to start with as it's not the correct vaginal fluids to be concerned about, I understand you are unaware of this and on top of that the fluids were exposed outside the human body to the environment.

HIV is limited, fragile and the receptors needed to infect corrode outside of the human body meaning sexually HIV is only acquired inside the confines of the human body as in never being exposed to the environment. An example would be condomless intercourse.

The fingering is not an issue either as it lacks route and hence it makes sense that in 78+ million cases over 40 years there has not been a single confined case of fingering or being fingered resulting in an HIV infection.

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how reliable is a RNA PCR test on the ninth days?

Not but in this scenario, it's 100% as you simply had no exposure whatsoever. Not testing at all would have been equally conclusive as you had no exposure.

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And also if a person is experiencing maybe HIV ARS symptoms, can a negative RNA test rule out that the symptoms is not related to HIV?

ARS is overrated. Most people experience no initial symptoms. Anyhow, you don't have ARS symptoms from this encounter as you had no exposure, zero HIV risk.

I wish you well but I am not going to pretend you had a risk or needed HIV testing over this incident as it would be a disservice to you and the wider community.

Move on with your life!
« Last Edit: August 16, 2021, 03:30:14 pm by Jim Allen »
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Re: Possible Risk and Test Results Worries
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2021, 03:31:58 pm »
Thank you again Jim, Iím actually pretty reassured right now, but still brought up some several last questions for you and Iím done.

1) Iím not that worried now about the handjob act, but still quite confused on the fingering part. As you said is a no risk event, but if someone fingers another persons anal with vaginal fluids (or any other body fluids) on his/her hand, shouldnít this counts as a closed surface since itís ďinsideĒ the anal which also creates friction with the mucous membranes inside the anal?

What I mean here is that the body fluids (vaginal secretions or semen) came out from someone else body and having a direct contact in someone elseís anal (or vagina) merely in just few seconds.

2) Lastly, if I accidentally or being dumb to involve a true risk exposure in the future and wanna get tested early, how reliable is the RNA test? I just canít imagine waiting that long if Iím involve in something risky.

These will be my last 2 questions, thank you so much again for all your help Jim, really appreciate it. Your knowledge had reassured me a lot, hope I can let everything go after this. Thank you.

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Re: Possible Risk and Test Results Worries
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2021, 03:50:56 pm »
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Thank you again Jim, Iím actually pretty reassured right now, but still brought up some several last questions for you and Iím done.

1) Iím not that worried now about the handjob act, but still quite confused on the fingering part. As you said is a no risk event, but if someone fingers another persons anal with vaginal fluids (or any other body fluids) on his/her hand, shouldnít this counts as a closed surface since itís ďinsideĒ the anal which also creates friction with the mucous membranes inside the anal?

What I mean here is that the body fluids (vaginal secretions or semen) came out from someone else body and having a direct contact in someone elseís anal (or vagina) merely in just few seconds.


Asked and answered twice already.

I am not sure why you think someone's fingers or hand could be perfectly airtight, i.e a vaccine between touching themselves and then touching you but they are not.

After nearly 40 years,78 million cases and the most studied virus in the world, you are not going to find a new way for HIV to transmit

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2) Lastly, if I accidentally or being dumb to involve a true risk exposure in the future and wanna get tested early, how reliable is the RNA test? I just canít imagine waiting that long if Iím involve in something risky.

If you had a real exposure I would have to recommend waiting and following testing guidelines, so firstly an antibodies or an antigen/antibodies combination lab test post the window period.

« Last Edit: August 16, 2021, 03:55:44 pm by Jim Allen »
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