Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
April 24, 2024, 07:37:11 pm

Login with username, password and session length


Members
  • Total Members: 37651
  • Latest: Toropi_
Stats
  • Total Posts: 773288
  • Total Topics: 66348
  • Online Today: 584
  • Online Ever: 5484
  • (June 18, 2021, 11:15:29 pm)
Users Online
Users: 0
Guests: 579
Total: 579

Welcome


Welcome to the POZ Community Forums, a round-the-clock discussion area for people with HIV/AIDS, their friends/family/caregivers, and others concerned about HIV/AIDS.  Click on the links below to browse our various forums; scroll down for a glance at the most recent posts; or join in the conversation yourself by registering on the left side of this page.

Privacy Warning:  Please realize that these forums are open to all, and are fully searchable via Google and other search engines. If you are HIV positive and disclose this in our forums, then it is almost the same thing as telling the whole world (or at least the World Wide Web). If this concerns you, then do not use a username or avatar that are self-identifying in any way. We do not allow the deletion of anything you post in these forums, so think before you post.

  • The information shared in these forums, by moderators and members, is designed to complement, not replace, the relationship between an individual and his/her own physician.

  • All members of these forums are, by default, not considered to be licensed medical providers. If otherwise, users must clearly define themselves as such.

  • Forums members must behave at all times with respect and honesty. Posting guidelines, including time-out and banning policies, have been established by the moderators of these forums. Click here for “Do I Have HIV?” posting guidelines. Click here for posting guidelines pertaining to all other POZ community forums.

  • We ask all forums members to provide references for health/medical/scientific information they provide, when it is not a personal experience being discussed. Please provide hyperlinks with full URLs or full citations of published works not available via the Internet. Additionally, all forums members must post information which are true and correct to their knowledge.

  • Product advertisement—including links; banners; editorial content; and clinical trial, study or survey participation—is strictly prohibited by forums members unless permission has been secured from POZ.

To change forums navigation language settings, click here (members only), Register now

Para cambiar sus preferencias de los foros en español, haz clic aquí (sólo miembros), Regístrate ahora

Finished Reading This? You can collapse this or any other box on this page by clicking the symbol in each box.

Author Topic: Health Care Reform Unconstitutional?  (Read 4351 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline JR Gabbard

  • Moderator
  • Member
  • Posts: 283
  • Union Jacks
Health Care Reform Unconstitutional?
« on: December 15, 2010, 04:45:54 pm »
No it isn't, despite what you may have heard.

I just read the court's decision in the Virginia challenge to the Affordable Care Act (ACA--the healthcare reform that passed last year).  In it, Judge Hudson decided that the requirement that everyone secure health insurance violates the US Constitution.  The problem is that Judge Hudson made a huge error in his legal reasoning that will be difficult for the Court of Appeals to adopt.

First, a really brief primer on US Constitutional law.  The Constitution limits the power of the US government by naming areas that it can regulate.  The so-called Commerce clause of the Constitution gives Congress the power to regulate interstate commerce.  The Constitution also includes an enacting clause, the so-called Necessary and Proper clause, that gives Congress power to enact laws that are "necessary and proper" to regulate interstate commerce in this case.  The "necessary and proper" clause is dependent on Congress having power to act under some other constitutional clause.  It also gives Congress power to enact laws that might not be directly named in the Constitution, so long as the law is reasonable related to a named power.

In the ACA, Congress identified health insurance as being part of interstate commerce, and claimed power to regulate it under the Commerce clause.  Then, under the "necessary and proper" clause they had the power to enact regulations that are reasonably related to health care, which in this case included a mandate that everyone purchase health insurance.

Judge Hudson's ruling collapses those two concepts into one.  He doesn't say that Congress lacked the power to regulate the health insurance industry, which is the power that Congress claimed under the Commerce clause.  He focused on the regulation itself, and decided that refusing to purchase health insurance is not an "activity" that Congress can regulate under the Commerce clause, and therefor the Necessary and Proper clause did not matter in the analysis.  His logic in arriving at the conclusion that refusing to purchase health insurance is not an "activity" is somewhat faulty, but putting that aside, he misapplied the law.  And he did it in a way that would have earned him a failing grade on a law school exam.

Some appeals court may find some other reason to declare ACA unconstitutional, or the Supreme Court might decide to make new law with this issue, but I don't see Judge Hudson's reasoning prevailing in any higher court.  If it does, I'll make a very long post listing all the federal regulations and programs that would then be on the chopping block.

It goes like this
The fourth, the fifth,
The minor fall, the major lift,
The baffled king composing Hallelujah!

L. Cohen

Offline Jeff G

  • Administrator
  • Member
  • Posts: 17,064
  • How am I doing Beren ?
Re: Health Care Reform Unconstitutional?
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2010, 04:52:16 pm »
That ruling is a reminder that decisions from the courts can often be partisan  .
HIV 101 - Basics
HIV 101
You can read more about Transmission and Risks here:
HIV Transmission and Risks
You can read more about Testing here:
HIV Testing
You can read more about Treatment-as-Prevention (TasP) here:
HIV TasP
You can read more about HIV prevention here:
HIV prevention
You can read more about PEP and PrEP here
PEP and PrEP

Offline Inchlingblue

  • Member
  • Posts: 3,117
  • Chad Ochocinco PETA Ad
Re: Health Care Reform Unconstitutional?
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2010, 01:27:02 pm »
Not to mention that "Henry E. Hudson, the federal judge in Virginia who just ruled health care reform unconstitutional, owns between $15,000 and $50,000 in a GOP political consulting firm that worked against health care reform."

Judge Who Ruled Health Care Reform Unconstitutional Owns Piece of GOP Consulting Firm

LINK:

http://gawker.com/5713041/judge-who-ruled-health-care-reform-unconstitutional-owns-piece-of-gop-consulting-firm

Offline mecch

  • Member
  • Posts: 13,455
  • red pill? or blue pill?
Re: Health Care Reform Unconstitutional?
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2010, 02:05:13 pm »
Gee, isn't that classy of him.
“From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his need” 1875 K Marx

 


Terms of Membership for these forums
 

© 2024 Smart + Strong. All Rights Reserved.   terms of use and your privacy
Smart + Strong® is a registered trademark of CDM Publishing, LLC.