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Huckabee wanted to isolate AIDS patients
By ANDREW DeMILLO, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 57 minutes ago
Mike Huckabee once advocated isolating AIDS patients from the general public, opposed increased federal funding in the search for a cure and said homosexuality could "pose a dangerous public health risk."
As a candidate for a U.S. Senate seat in 1992, Huckabee answered 229 questions submitted to him by The Associated Press. Besides a quarantine, Huckabee suggested that Hollywood celebrities fund AIDS research from their own pockets, rather than federal health agencies.
"If the federal government is truly serious about doing something with the AIDS virus, we need to take steps that would isolate the carriers of this plague," Huckabee wrote.
"It is difficult to understand the public policy towards AIDS. It is the first time in the history of civilization in which the carriers of a genuine plague have not been isolated from the general population, and in which this deadly disease for which there is no cure is being treated as a civil rights issue instead of the true health crisis it represents."
The AP submitted the questionnaire to both candidates; only Huckabee responded. Incumbent Sen. Dale Bumpers won his four term; Huckabee was elected lieutenant governor the next year and became governor in 1996.
When asked about AIDS research in 1992, Huckabee complained that AIDS research received an unfair share of federal dollars when compared to cancer, diabetes and heart disease.
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Also in the wide-ranging AP questionnaire in 1992, Huckabee said, "I feel homosexuality is an aberrant, unnatural, and sinful lifestyle, and we now know it can pose a dangerous public health risk."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071208/ap_on_el_pr/huckabee_aids;_ylt=Av.rObkUBLM1Qv6G8cNpgFes0NUE
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Does he still feel this way? If he changed his mind who cares what he said almost 16 years ago. Imagine if we were all held to standards that dictated that we couldn't change our minds, that every doob smoked as a teenager indicated heavy drug use at middle age. Also, how much information was there about AIDS in 1992 as compared to today? I'm not excusing his actions but it was 16 years ago, if he's no longer talking the same talk then he's learned something and moved on with his life.
He has the best commercials for sure.
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Also in the wide-ranging questionnaire in 1992, Mr. Huckabee said, "I feel homosexuality is an aberrant, unnatural, and sinful lifestyle, and we now know it can pose a dangerous public health risk."
Bet you dollars to doughnuts Andre, Huck wouldn't differentiate on how you acquired the "gay" disease.
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Bet you dollars to doughnuts Andre, Huck wouldn't differentiate on how you acquired the "gay" disease.
Perhaps he wouldn't if you interviewed him in 1992 but you don't honestly know what he thinks about that in 2008 when it'll be of much greater relevance.
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What a Huckalberry that one is. ???
Jody :(
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What a Huckalberry that one is. ???
Jody :(
I would have said a dingleberry...
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Did Huckabee, ever give a response to the question about gays in the military at the last You tube event/debate in St. Petersburg? Or, did he avoid it like all the others...
Ray
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Bet you dollars to doughnuts Andre, Huck wouldn't differentiate on how you acquired the "gay" disease.
Let's see...Baptist preacher, conservative favorite...
Yeah, I'll take some of that action. Count me in on that bet.
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Perhaps he wouldn't if you interviewed him in 1992 but you don't honestly know what he thinks about that in 2008 when it'll be of much greater relevance.
You're right I don't know what he thinks, but I do know what he said. Luckily we have his new position on record. Hopefully this goober will never be elected so we won't have to worry about it.
Since becoming a presidential candidate this year, Mr. Huckabee has supported increased federal funding for AIDS research through the National Institutes of Health.
"My administration will be the first to have an overarching strategy for dealing with HIV and AIDS here in the United States, with a partnership between the public and private sectors that will provide necessary financing and a realistic path toward our goals," Mr. Huckabee said in a statement posted on his campaign Web site last month.
Mind you this is a guy who recently stated that his rise in the polls was ordained by God. I'm surprised you find him so appealing, you usually aren't so contrary Andre.
To expand on religion though since that's what this thread was all about, I don't support religion. I see it as something born from a time when man needed answers to questions that science couldn't yet provide. Why did my crops fail? It was the will of god. Why is my child mentally deficient? It was the will of god.
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I'm surprised you find him so appealing, you usually aren't so contrary Andre.
You're taking quotes out of context to try and prove a point. At the end of the blurb where you pulled quote highlighted in red you'll clearly see I said something to the effect of "If you want to worship, you go right ahead but I'm going to spend my weekends sleeping in." You'll also see that I support freedom of expression and the man is expressing his religious views. If you're gonna quote me to try and make me look like I'm a hypocrite do it properly, not out of context.
And Hal, I see you much like Matty are pleased with your internet sluething skills and have found out my name. Congratulations. Use it sparingly.
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If you're gonna quote me to try and make me look like I'm a hypocrite do it properly, not out of context.
You'll need no help from me in that department Andre. ;)
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In a quick check of Republican reaction after the AP story broke, some conservatives said they viewed Huckabee’s answers as a blunt statement of views held by many in his Southern Baptist flock, and an antidote to the waffling that pervades politics.
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If he said that shit back then, I don't see his views changing despite what was said last month. Haven't you learned politicians will say anything to get elected. Now really!!!! And I am definitely not gay so is he going to accuse me of being gay anyway and I came to my senses all of a sudden? Sheesh..... ::)
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Well, you do have a lesbian avatar, honey
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if AIDS is some form of judgment from god on gays, then statistically speaking it would appear that Jesus loves some hot girl on girl action.
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404:
We actually received a few moderator reports about Hal using your name in the message above -- they didn't think it was cool either. When I looked into it, I found that you actually listed your name in this message dated May 14th: http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=338.msg154243#msg154243 (http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=338.msg154243#msg154243).
Tim Horn
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My opinions on HIV and AIDS have certainly changed since 1992, but then again I'm not a Baptist preacher and I tested HIV positive in 92.
I wonder if personally knowing and caring about someone who was positive would put a spin on how he see's things.
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Well, you do have a lesbian avatar, honey
No, dumpling....Obviously you are not into cartoons....The avatar is Inuyasha which is the white haired demon kissing Kagome.....You need to watch Cartoon Network more often.... :P
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404:
We actually received a few moderator reports about Hal using your name in the message above -- they didn't think it was cool either. When I looked into it, I found that you actually listed your name in this message dated May 14th: http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=338.msg154243#msg154243 (http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=338.msg154243#msg154243).
If you want me to remove your name (you only use your first name, BTW) from the message above, let me know.
Tim Horn
First, let me apologize to you Philly for hijacking the thread, but I would like to get a few things off my chest.
Tim I posted his name because I wanted to make sure I had his attention. It may not matter to others but what I think isn't "cool" is, in my opinion, his constant degradation of women in his posts. The most recent example being the recently locked Are prostitutes thread. It's the reason I posted that he once went by Upallnight. I thought every forum member should be aware of his name change if they chose to check out his posting history. A history that in my opinion is rife with misogyny and racism. A charge he will vehemently deny, but I defy anyone to read his posting history and come to a different conclusion. The trend I seem to notice are threads that seem intent on provoking responses from the women. How many times has he been warned for making sexist comments?
I actually wanted my using of his first name to sound as impersonal as possible and not familiar at all. You know the way men usually refer to women.
I apologize for not being cool and next time I will just hit report to moderator.
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It doesn't shock me at all.
I think if someone held a gun to my head and said "either you vote for a Conservative or I will kill you," I'd let the f-er pull the trigger.
My rule is if a candidate ever uses the word "conservative" to describe themselves in any capacity, they'll never get my vote.
I have to do more reading on this Huckleberry character - I thought Ghouliani and Romney were the only note worthy Republicans runing for President. Guess I better start paying betetr attention to what the enemy is conjuring up.
The last thing we need is a President who will return us back to Reagan's 1984. We've already lost so much ground with Bushito the last 7 years.
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so instead of being a totally worthless piece of shit, Huckabee might now just be a partially worthless piece of shit.
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No, dumpling....Obviously you are not into cartoons....The avatar is Inuyasha which is the white haired demon kissing Kagome.....You need to watch Cartoon Network more often.... :P
Fine. Stay in that dark closet for all I care.
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Also in the wide-ranging AP questionnaire in 1992, Huckabee said, "I feel homosexuality is an aberrant, unnatural, and sinful lifestyle, and we now know it can pose a dangerous public health risk."
How long until this guy gets caught with his pants down with a male sex worker? ;D
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Here's Huck's reason for his recent rise in the polls.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSQNSlUUoOc
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As soon as someone is able to connect HIV with a sinful lifestyle they have lost all credibility with me on most subjects. His sinful comments tell me he is guided by his religion or beliefs and not by the rule of American law. He said all of those things in 92 and I know he still believes EVERY WORD OF IT, it has just been repacked to be PC, electable and easier to swallow. Same old crap, you have HIV = you are a pervert and a sinner = who gives a shit about you.
And Ann, I give it 4 to 6 months tops.
Lastly, in a shameless promotion for my own blog, my latest entry deals with the question: Is HIV a punishment from God?
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this guy is not a conservative,he is a conservative christian. Two different things. Fucking Ann Ryand was an atheist. I remember what Ross Perot said about Clinton, just because he is good at running a 7-11 doesnt mean you want him to run WalMart,same goes for this coconut. There are twenty cities in the US that have larger populations than this third world state. I see this guy running as third party candidate that will guarantee the Dems the presidency. This is the only way the Dems win the presidency. The only way.
They have supported defeat in Iraq. They are against torturing people who behead us,even when the torturing may be less severe than the training our own troops get . Hillary has proved more than once she is not qualified for this position and Obama has explained it better than anyone. Obama will be destroyed by the Clinton unless he starts to fight back.
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Fine. Stay in that dark closet for all I care.
Huh? If I am in the dark it is never for very long. But I must ask, are you insinuating that I am a in the closet lesbian? If so, it had to be in a past life, darling cause in this life I like the same thing you do!!!!!! :o
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They are against torturing people who behead us,even when the torturing may be less severe than the training our own troops get .
Yeah, I heard about the routine water-boarding that goes on in boot camp. ::)
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Does he still feel this way? If he changed his mind who cares what he said almost 16 years ago. Imagine if we were all held to standards that dictated that we couldn't change our minds, that every doob smoked as a teenager indicated heavy drug use at middle age. Also, how much information was there about AIDS in 1992 as compared to today? I'm not excusing his actions but it was 16 years ago, if he's no longer talking the same talk then he's learned something and moved on with his life.
He has the best commercials for sure.
Suffice to say as it is said on the Thames, "A leopard don't change it's spots and a slapper don't change her knickers!"
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They are against torturing people who behead us,even when the torturing may be less severe than the training our own troops get .
Then by your bizzaro world logic John McCain hates the troops and wants us to lose in Iraq. John McCain says that waterboarding is torture and Americans are better than that. John McCain says that we should follow the Geneva Convention and not torture. Jake why does conservative Republican candidate John McCain hate America Jake? Why does he hate the troops Jake? Why Jake? Why?
p.s. jake, harman and pelosi love america more than mccain.
The news today that leading Democrats, including Jane Harman and Nancy Pelosi, were informed about the torture of military prisoners and allegedly didn't just acquiesce but actually approved it
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Good 'ol Huck stands by his comments.
http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/blog/2007/12/huckabee_stands_by_92_comments.html (http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/blog/2007/12/huckabee_stands_by_92_comments.html)
What an evil bastard. See y'all in quarantine!
Brian
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From the article quoted by OtherPlaces:
Huckabee said he also stands by his words that homosexuality is sinful.
"I believe it would be, just as lying is sinful and stealing is sinful," he said.
Heh. Christians are funneh. :)
MtD
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Good 'ol Huck stands by his comments.
my mistake....he still is a totally worthless piece of shit
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He is not the first to come up with the idea of isolation for people with HIV. Just remember its easier for a drag queen to pass as a straight man than for a politician to keep from lying, cheating and stealing from the electorate. lol
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huckabee is Bush. He is the answer to every problem the Dems have. They have run against Bush but Bush isnt running. This fuckwad is. I dont know who turns my stomach more, the intolerant right wing Christians or the Clintons. It is easy to portray Huckabee as Bush. He is a right wing Christian and a big spender.
If Huckabee wins the nomination or runs as a third party candidate the Dems win. I dont think its possible for him to win nomination.
As an HIVer I would hate Huckabees old plan to separate us from the negatives but how many people reading this message board would be negative if a plan like this had been instituted any time in 80s or early 90s? Huckabee is right when he says our priority was not the publics safety and health. It is conceivable HIV would be almost zero in US today if a plan like this had been instituted back in the day along with keeping HIVers from other countries out.
Everyone could still be fucking anyone they wanted, safe or unsafe, without fear of infection.
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You see Jake I don't think that would have worked. Many men like you were having sex with men on the down low and would have continued to spread the disease. Married men, family men, who no one would have ever suspected were having the butt sex until they turned up sick.
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It would have been easier to isolate all the politicians and slowed down the spread of B.S.
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It only works if everyone had been tested. You could never have such a policy without testing every person who lives in US,legal or illegal. The policy wouldn't work if only those who tested voluntarily were separated from society. So your theory of men on the down low doesnt work. What do you have against bisexual people? Werent they born that way? They had no choice in their sexuality,why do you always attack them?
Like I said,as a person who is HIV positive I would have been against this policy because I would have been separated from my family but in theory it was probably the best way to end HIV in US. Leaders have to make very difficult decisions and no one had the balls to make the decisions that could have stopped HIV in its tracks in the US. There would be no stigma on Homosexuals today in regards to HIV,because it wouldnt exist in our country. A course of action/inaction was chosen and it has led to millions infected.
Too late now,the horse is out of the barn.
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It only works if everyone had been tested. You could never have such a policy without testing every person who lives in US,legal or illegal. The policy wouldn't work if only those who tested voluntarily were separated from society. So your theory of men on the down low doesn't work. What do you have against bisexual people? We rent they born that way? They had no choice in their sexuality,why do you always attack them?
Like I said,as a person who is HIV positive I would have been against this policy because I would have been separated from my family but in theory it was probably the best way to end HIV in US. Leaders have to make very difficult decisions and no one had the balls to make the decisions that could have stopped HIV in its tracks in the US. There would be no stigma on Homosexuals today in regards to HIV,because it wouldn't exist in our country. A course of action/inaction was chosen and it has led to millions infected.
Too late now,the horse is out of the barn.
Ha! Ha! You make meany joke, yes?
Because.....you can't possibly be that naive, Mr. Jack.
Mike M
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What do you have against bisexual people? Werent they born that way? They had no choice in their sexuality,why do you always attack them?
Not a thing, some of my best friends are bi. :-* What I was saying was that married men or men that had sex with other men on the down low would have escaped your little dragnet. Your convoluted logic led you right back to the truth. It wouldn't have worked.
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no one escapes if everyone is tested. Everyone no matter their supposed risk factor. All women,men,and children. What is convoluted about that? Are you telling me the number of HIVers in US wouldnt be very small if every person who was positive was separated from the rest of US society back in mid or late 80s?
Hey, it would have been horrible for anyone infected but many,many more would have been spared infection.
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Yeah, because our government would have exempted politicians from testing.
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no one escapes if everyone is tested. Everyone no matter their supposed risk factor. All women,men,and children.
Why not do that now Jake? People still are becoming infected daily with HIV. We can "seperate" those already infected with HIV starting today and then begin testing on the rest of America. I'll let you explain to children like Mini why it's necessary to seperate her from the rest of society.
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Too late now,the horse is out of the barn.
me thinks the horse was out of the barn long before anyone knew what was going on.
The logistics alone of testing every man, woman, and child in the country renders the plan useless and ridiculous, Jack, even in theory.
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and I am saying you couldn't have done it without testing everyone. Millions in the US would have been saved from HIV infection.
Dachs, it cant be done now, for many reasons. The number of people infected is much larger now. It can be argued by some(not by me) that meds have made this a manageable problem much like diabetes. Obviously big pharma would fight such a plan. You can come up with a million reasons not to do it now.
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Testing everybody to separate them? How useless? How often would we test them? After every trip out of the country and then again weeks later? It might have worked in a very small isolated country whose residents seldom or never traveled outside that country. We can't even secure borders or keep 'real' terrorists out, what makes anybody think we can keep out an HIV+ person out. Oh, how about a blood sample that was mishandled and came back negative, but the individual is actually positive?
A pet that's exclusively an inside pet won't become rabid. Allow it outside with other animals just once. After that, one can't say with 100% certainty that it's rabies-free.
David
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how many people reading this message board would be negative if a plan like this had been instituted any time in 80s or early 90s? Huckabee is right when he says our priority was not the public safety and health. It is conceivable HIV would be almost zero in US today if a plan like this had been instituted back in the day along with keeping HIVers from other countries out. stated by JACK
First off, I never thought I would survive HIV and hear another HIV positive person (JACK) make such a statement about the possibility of Isolating People With HIV/AIDS.
Second, JACK, Thankfully such a policy was never passed. IF I had to be in the same HUCKABEE CONCENTRATION CAMP as you, believe me the HIV would not have @^#*() you.
THird, I find it ironic that you are just focusing on HIV. According to a 2005 statistics 54 million people die of various diseases World Wide. Of this number 25 percent die from an infectious disease. Of the 25 percent that die from an infectious disease, 90 percent are caused by six diseases: measles, malaria, TB, diarrhoeal diseases, acute respiratory and AIDS. Before HIV the governments way of dealing with epidemics was to focus on preventing the spread of diseases. HOW, BY CREATING A VACCINE. We as of 2007 do not have a cure for polio, influenza or smallpox. BUT YOU CAN GET A VACCINE. Do we have a VACCINE for HIV.... I don't think so.
To take any group of people with any disease, and isolate them THINKING that is a CURE or FIX of a disease is the most ludicrous thought process. All this uneducated thinking does is to spread more HATE, STIGMA, and FEAR for those living with HIV or any other infectious disease.
Would I be HIV negative if JACK and HUCKABEE had isolated people with HIV from society? NO!!
Where would we stop with such a thought process. Would we isolate: Genital Warts, Herpes, Syphilis, Gonorrhea, , Hepatitis, Genetic diseases such as Huntington's Disease, Tay-Sac's, Sickle Cell, Mental Retardation, what about Alcoholism, then the usual Polio, smallpox, measles, mumps, TB, the flu.
I have the answer why don't we ISOLATE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SUCH A NARROW THOUGHT PROCESS SUCH AS JACK AND HUCKABEE then you don't have to worry about acquiring some disease.
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Oh Swiss,
Calm the fuck down. Jack's been ranting on like this for years. This isn't the craziest thing he's ever said. Nobody takes the silly old coot seriously.
MtD
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Will you get on your Knees MATTY with me and pray for JACK OFF. I don't know how to start the prayer though, any suggestions?????
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I'm not getting on my knees whilst either you or Jack are within spitting distance of me.
MtD
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;D ;D O why my dear Matty, The worst to happen is: quarantine your ASS :-*
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I am not sure whether this link has been posted or not, but this is from CNN, in regards to Huckabee's refusal to retract 1992 statements :
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/10/huckabee.aids/index.html
Ray
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http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/10/huckabee.aids/index.html#cnnSTCVideo (http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/10/huckabee.aids/index.html#cnnSTCVideo)
We don't need a jerk in office like this.
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Well I am "Behind" on this, I just posted under "Living".
I'm still wondering how this is OFF TOPIC but what ev:
I hope this fuckabee rots in hell.
AS slowly as possible.
I have a question for his GOD.
GOD...How much longer are we here in the USA supposed to put up with Fuck heads like this. And also, why did you place him on EARTH? Try Jupiter next time.
Thanks.
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First of all, I am hoping Huckabee flames out. I dont want another President preaching his religion,even though Clinton was the only one who had a photo opp every Sunday hauling that 40 pound bible around. This guy is the Dems only hope of winning. I think he is planning to run as a third candidate much the way Perot did,guaranteeing a Dem victory. Remember Clinton doesnt win the first time without Perot. Have any of you been to Arkansas? Drive through it once and you realize what a miracle Willy pulled off. It is one big disaster area and no one live there.
Second, I have said as an HIV positive person I would be against separation of pos and negs but it is an interesting theory. Swiss, if positives had been separated in mid 80s,and you were pos then,you most likely would not be alive today, either would I. There would be less infected in the US no matter how irrational and unrealistic your rants are. How do you reason with someone who refuses to listen,who refuses to look at both sides of the issue?
I am fortunate this course of action was not taken. Those infected since 1990 are payiing the price for me.
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How do you reason with someone who refuses to listen,who refuses to look at both sides of the issue?
Really Jakey I don't know. Perhaps you can enlighten us?
Given that you're so tolerant and wise and stuff.
MtD
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Everyone no matter their supposed risk factor. All women,men,and children. What is convoluted about that? Are you telling me the number of HIVers in US wouldnt be very small if every person who was positive was separated from the rest of US society back in mid or late 80s?
I knew someone else who thought like this back then. Who'd da thunk Jake an Fidel were on the same page.
Mr. Huckabee's proposal would have required a strong, and scary, element of coercion: Who would voluntarily be tested knowing that the price of a positive result could be "isolation" from society? Small wonder that, at the time, Mr. Huckabee's impulse to segregate victims of HIV from the general population was shared only by those on the fringes of the American right and, ironically, in Cuba, where Fidel Castro's dictatorship was pursuing a policy of mandatory testing and quarantine.
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Isolate Huckabee.
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What do you want me to say? I feel very fortunate to be alive today. I am very happy a plan like Huckabees was never put in place. I believe a plan like Huckabees,which would need a very stringent testing program would have greatly limited the number of HIV infection in US. Yes,you would be putting the publics safety above individual freedom. So while everyone complains about emphasis on abstinence as a prevention, I would choose abstinence over being separated given the choice. I wonder how much the emphasis on abstinence has to do with keeping the right wing christians mollified? A lot.
I am very happy todays argument is rubbers vs abstinence instead of abstinence or rubbers vs separation.
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I'd like to jump in my own thread here and add what's probably a horribly politically incorrect comment, and ask folks to consider the very low rate of HIV infection in Cuba, comparaed to the rest of the Caribbean, exactly because they instituted a quarantine program early on in the epidemic. In fact, it's one of the few places where AIDS was remarkably contained, though I also assume that it has a lot to do with the somewhat extra isolation that it's government and economy has with the rest of the world, but only slightly.
I'm not sure what the current policy is in Cuba, but I know they were one of the few places that did this in the 80's/early 90's and of course they have excellent medical care. And of course, none of their policy was the result of wacko right-wing Christianists but a completely secular society.
Of course, I seriously doubt that I would have personally appreciated this happening to myself, but I digress.
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If Wiki is correct, sounds like Cuba relied more on education and less on quarantine. Course what usually happens to people in Cuba, stays in Cuba.
From 1986 until 1989, HIV+ Cubans were quarantined to treatment centres (sanatoria). Most of the early HIV patients were heterosexual aid workers, returning from Africa. The quarantine system was relaxed in 1989, to allow travel between home and the treatment centres. In 1993, an outpatient program (el sistema ambulatoria) was set up which since the early 2000s contains the vast majority of HIV patients. By the early to mid 1990s, homosexual and bisexual men became the majority of Cuban HIV patients. The treatment centres (sanatoria) are still open for those who prefer them to living at home.
All HIV infected people are asked to attend a program called 'Living with HIV'. This program used to be held in the treatment centres, but is now mostly in the outpatient system, and assisted by peer educators, who are mostly HIV positive people. During the program patients are monitored to see if they are ‘trustworthy’ – that is, sexually responsible, and if their diet, self-care and medication is adequate. They are asked to disclose the names of any sexual partners from the last 5 years. Those sexual partners are then traced and tested for HIV. Certain groups are targeted for testing (HIV positive sexual contacts, blood donors, pregnant women, people with STDs). All testing is voluntary, but strongly encouraged amongst the target groups. All HIV+ patients retain their job entitlements and 100% of their salary, when they have to be absent from work. The stated aim of the program is to reintegrate all patients in their normal lives, and prevent discrimination or social rejection. Homophobia is recognised as a problem in Cuba, and is addressed through the HIV program (including school classes which begin at year 5 or 6) as well as through the National Centre for Sex Education. This education program includes posters, pamphlets and a television soapie which features gay, bisexual and HIV+ people in the family.
Cuba has undertaken extensive campaigns against HIV/AIDS focussing on education and treatment, and in 2003 Cuba had the lowest HIV prevalence in the Americas and one of the lowest ratios in the world. According to the Cuban National Centre for Prevention of STDs and HIV/AIDS (November 2005) there were 5,422 persons living with HIV (3,968) or AIDS (1,454). 85% of these were homosexual or bisexual men (HSH – hombres que tienen sexo con hombres).
Since 1996 Cuba has produced generic versions of some of the common antiretroviral treatment drugs (ARVT). These drugs were in short supply and imports were very expensive in the 1990s. However, since 2001, 100% of Cuban HIV+ patients have had access to a relatively full cocktail of HAARVT (high active retroviral treatment), free of charge. The death rate from HIV infection has been falling rapidly since then, and most HIV+ infected Cubans are avoiding secondary infections.
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Sounds like an amazingly sane program. Damn those communists.
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Huckabee "very willing" to meet with Ryan White's mother....
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/11/huckabee.aids.ap/index.html
"Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee's 15-year-old comments that AIDS patients should have been isolated have so alarmed the mother of Ryan White, an Indiana teenager whose life-ending battle with AIDS in the 1980s engrossed the nation, that she has asked for a meeting..."
Ray
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Make no mistake about this one - Huckabee is a dangerous man. He is dangerous because he appeals to the fears and frustrations of the same large segment of America that mindlessly bought into the "family values" con that the right wing has been running for so many years. He is dangerous because he appeals to the same mob mentality that stifles individuality and suppresses knowledge. If history has taught us anything, it is that people like Mike Huckabee, who sell themselves as sincere leaders who will lead the people out of the darkness, inevitably turn out to be the very same people who turned off the lights.
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Yeah,you are right.there shouldnt be any emphasis on family values. They are worthless.
I wonder how much Huckabees plan had to do with the con back in the day that everyone was at risk for HIV? But the left never cons. The left never takes individual freedoms away for the betterment of society and group.WTF are you talking about?
I hope this guy is run out of politics but i view both DEM candidates as much more dangerous than this clown.
A pox on Arkansas and all the slime politicians they have given us. I am sick of Clintons,and Bushes,and right wing christians,globalwarmers,those Americans who fight for American defeat in Iraq. Why are we going to the most impoverished state in the Country for our leaders? Cause no one lives there and no one knows how bad it is.
Please,Please, no more Bushes,no more Clintons. Anyone else, I dont care.
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I'm pretty sure Huck doesn't like us, and I quote:
Asked about gays in the military, for example, he didn't just reject the idea but added: "I believe to try to legitimize that which is inherently illegitimate would be a disgraceful act of government. I feel homosexuality is an aberrant, unnatural and sinful lifestyle, and we now know it can pose a dangerous public health risk."
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I wonder how much Huckabees plan had to do with the con back in the day that everyone was at risk for HIV?
And what con was that exactly, Jack? Where is the demographic that has NOT had members become infected with HIV?
Let's see from this very board, shall we?
Gays? Check, of course.
Heterosexual Women? Check.
Heterosexual men? Check.
Children, perhaps? Um...check.
But surely, Heterosexuals involved in "sanctified" marriage relationships? Check again.
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...But the left never cons. The left never takes individual freedoms away for the betterment of society and group.WTF are you talking about?
You are certainly correct that some of the left leaning or far left politicians are intellectually dishonest, and I have the same questions about Hillary Clinton and those like her that we all do, but I view this thread as being about Mike Huckabee and the very disturbing positions he has taken and which he now would distance himself from without explicitly admitting that he was wrong. We all make mistakes. What we need now is leadership that is not afraid to look us in the eye and say "yes, you are right and I was wrong when I did that, let's see if we can fix the problem". Savvy Amigo?
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Frankly, I'm quite contented that Huckabee doesn't like gays. This guy is scum.
Mike M
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He is an ordained baptist preacher,of course he doesnt like gays. Baptists aren't real big on tolerance. Wait a minute ,isnt it something about the sinner being ok and its the sin they hate. Whatever,this guy doesnt have a chance. The media would love to see him as the candidate and are pushing him.
As a Republican I hope this guy blows up real soon,but unfortunately he appears to have the gift of gab and is quick on his feet,must be in the water in Arkansas.
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Wait a minute ,isnt it something about the sinner being ok and its the sin they hate.
That's more the line Rudy is taking at the moment.
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Thank you Thunter for mentioning that! I thought I was the only one that heard Rudy make that BIZARRE statement. Talk about pandering!
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Thank you Thunter for mentioning that! I thought I was the only one that heard Rudy make that BIZARRE statement. Talk about pandering!
Oh, no...I caught it. This from the man who sought refuge in the home of some queens when his then wife (I don't remember which one, exactly...there have been several) tossed him out for cheating on her.
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Rudy is another piece of work. The prospect of Rudolph in the White House scares the bejeezus out of me.
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Plus Rudy's current wife used to kill little puppies.
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the national media is pumping the Huckster again this morning,talking about what a great candidate is he nationwide when the only real poll he appears to have a lead in is Iowa. Iowas population is a tad more than the wonderland of economic and social advances Arkansas. Why does the national media have only positive things to say about this guy? They usually destroy people who are Christian,especially right wing Christian. Hmmmm.
This is the kind of candidate that will drive moderates away from Republican party to the Dems. Conservatives will hold their nose in a general election and vote for this guy over any of the present Dem candidates who all are still selling the evil of wealth, raising taxes, and US defeat in Iraq to the uneducated rubes as the end all be all. Dems win. That is why national media is not attacking the Huckster the way they have attacked every right wing Christian candidate in the past. The media might also like his big tax and big spend history.
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Yeah Jakey, it's all a big media conspiracy. It has nothing to do with the fact that the your party can only produce 24 karat fuckwits for these Presidential primaries, would it now?
Oh by the way, our Prime Minister has ratified Kyoto and committed to short term targets. :)
MtD
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This is the kind of candidate that will drive moderates away from Republican party to the Dems.
Jake, Huckabee's popularity is being fueled by the Evangelical's and the religious right and has nothing to do with the media. You know the lib-er-al media that no Republican in his right mind would ever believe. Using convoluted Jake logic and your penchant for revising history smart Republicans should be able to see through the media's effort to elect Huckabee and would vote against him.
Unfortunately, the Republican Party sold it's soul to the religious right (and not in that good Jesus kind of way) and you are reaping what was sowed.
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This vid says it all ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuWUdUDUIDQ
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Merry Christmas from the
Huckaton's Huckabee's.
http://syndication.nationaljournal.com/images/HuckXmascard.pdf
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That card sure turned my stomach.
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I'm just trying to figure out which Republican candidate would turn off the largest part of middle-of-the-road votes who are the ones who often decide an election result.
Huckabee is certainly right up there among the worst.
It isn't that I think any of the Democrats are swell. I have to hope one of them winning would be the lesser evil.
Whatta group in all and what revoltin' development as Bugs B used to say.
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Has to be the Huckster. There must be something in the water in Arkansas that produces gifted speakers. This guy can really talk. I think people are sick and tired of all the religion talk just like they were sick and tired of all the scandals after Clinton.
He appears to be very liberal economically, but very conservative in religion.
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Merry Christmas from the Huckaton's Huckabee's.
http://syndication.nationaljournal.com/images/HuckXmascard.pdf
2 TONS of NO FUN! :o
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Would you want this guy sleeping in the Lincoln bedroom?
http://www.newsweek.com/id/78241
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Lynching a dog 'fer fun'. That's daddy's boy, alright.
Mike M
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Merry Christmas from the Huckaton's Huckabee's.
http://syndication.nationaljournal.com/images/HuckXmascard.pdf
Please God don't let those retarded looking fucks move into the White House. Amen
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so scary
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In 1998, Mike Huckabee was inspired -- possibly by events close to home to write a book called, Kids Who Kill. David Corn has a review over at Mother Jones, where you can see just how moderate the Arkansas preacher is when not yucking it up with the national press.
Expressing deep concern about the rash of school shootings in America, Huckabee set out to finger the culprits for our "culture of violence." His list is... interesting.
Abortion, environmentalism, AIDS, pornography, drug abuse, and homosexual activism have fragmented and polarized our communities.
You might want to read that list again, just in case you thought you were hallucinating the first time. It's not that uncommon for the right to pass abortion off as sanctioning violence, but apparently environmentalism also causing our children to shot their schoolyard buddies. Oh, and it appears that AIDS is not a disease, but some horrible movement leading our children astray. No wonder those radical AIDSers need to be quarantined.
Not only does Huckabee feel free to create a laundry list in which environmentalism is equated to pornography, a few pages later he expands on his view of homosexuality.
It is now difficult to keep track of the vast array of publicly endorsed and institutionally supported aberrations—from homosexuality and pedophilia to sadomasochism and necrophilia.
Exactly which government program is funding necrophilia, or why environmentalism is akin to drug abuse, Huckabee doesn't say.
But then, when all you're doing is spewing forth a noxious stew of the most extreme right wing hate, there's really no need to explain.
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http://wonkette.com/politics/teh-huckbeez-famlie/huckabees-other-son-loves-him-some-porno-334963.php
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2 TONS of NO FUN! :o
ROFL, be nice. I guess when you're a politician's son you can live high on the hog (bacon)
:D
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just came across this old gem from Red Hot + Blue AIDS benefit album - 1990.
What better place for it than the Huckabee thread.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=b3p_Rf0AY6E
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Huckabee's response to the issue of the Confederate Flag :
""You don't like people from outside the state coming in and telling you what to do with your flag," Huckabee said in Myrtle Beach, S.C., on Thursday. "In fact, if somebody came to Arkansas and told us what to do with our flag, we'd tell 'em what to do with the pole, that's what we'd do."
What an ASS !!
Ray
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just came across this old gem from Red Hot + Blue AIDS benefit album - 1990.
What better place for it than the Huckabee thread.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=b3p_Rf0AY6E
That was terrific, ademas! Loved it. Had never heard it before. Thanks for posting that.