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Title: Fifth Anniversary of Iraq invasion
Post by: Oceanbeach on March 20, 2008, 01:44:26 am

I got a message today from San Francisco saying since today was the 5th anniversary of the Iraq war, there would be burnt-out hippies and unreconstructed anarchists shouting slogans and stopping traffic.

Instead of going to the city, I marched on Federated Department stores, Macy's Division, Coddingtown Branch.  Armed with only a store card and a Star Rewards card offering an additional 20% off the already posted sale items.  Shouting slogans such as "Down with Prices, Down with Pants", I located 2 pair of Levi in my size.  ;D  Oddly enough, 1 pair was made in Mexico and the other in Indonesia and San Francisco proudly emblasoned on the logo.  Also, found 5 casual shirts called American Rags, in my size and under 5 bucks each, made in Bangladesh.   ;D  Have the best day
Michael

Title: Re: Fifth Anniversary of Iraq invasion
Post by: Matty the Damned on March 20, 2008, 03:07:08 am

(http://media.shagnasty.net/images/2891.jpg)

MtD

Title: Re: Fifth Anniversary of Iraq invasion
Post by: Oceanbeach on March 21, 2008, 03:59:47 pm

Matty Dahlin,

You truly are the Resident Evil Genius...  I can't chose between the Fashion Concious European or the smoking American GI.  ;D  Will either accept credit cards?  My Martyr Card may have enough credit limit for an hour  ;D Have the best day
Michael

Title: Re: Fifth Anniversary of Iraq invasion
Post by: Andy Velez on March 22, 2008, 10:04:55 am

Wednesday was the official 5th Anniversary date of the war. Vigils in NYC were rained out.

Scheduled for today (Saturday) on 14th Street in Manhattan (a major thoroughfare) is a river-to-river (East River to Hudson) demonstration. Gathering at 11 am. At noon the crowd will begin converge and walk to Union Square Park where at 1pm a bell will begin to toll. There will be photos of those who have died as well people carrying military gear that belonged to them. The overall tone is expected to be solemn.

Title: Re: Fifth Anniversary of Iraq invasion
Post by: RapidRod on March 22, 2008, 12:57:34 pm

I would rather hear what the Joe blow Iraqi thinks? I would like to see if they feel as though they have it better now, than they did.

Title: Re: Fifth Anniversary of Iraq invasion
Post by: Dachshund on March 22, 2008, 01:24:08 pm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2008/mar/20/surgecollapse

Title: Re: Fifth Anniversary of Iraq invasion
Post by: Oceanbeach on March 22, 2008, 02:03:22 pm

I didn't watch the entire video but got the workers are on strike over pay, the employer (America) is from hell and everyone has cell phones.  I may watch after my morning coffee and with sound.  Have the best day
Michael

Title: Re: Fifth Anniversary of Iraq invasion
Post by: RapidRod on March 22, 2008, 02:17:05 pm

Like I said I want to hear for the average Joe Iragi.

Title: Re: Fifth Anniversary of Iraq invasion
Post by: Dachshund on March 22, 2008, 02:22:50 pm

Um okay. Here's 80,000 of them.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2008/mar/20/surgecollapse

Title: Re: Fifth Anniversary of Iraq invasion
Post by: Dachshund on March 22, 2008, 02:33:49 pm

' Only 26.9 percent of those polled expressed optimism for the year ahead. Conversely, 85 percent described the situation in Iraq as "bad or very bad." . . .

A majority of the women respondents said violence against women is increasing and respect for women's rights is fading. . ."

Title: Re: Fifth Anniversary of Iraq invasion
Post by: Dachshund on March 22, 2008, 02:37:36 pm

Baghdad March 19, 2008

A roadside bomb exploded in Zafaraniyah, southeast Baghdad at around 10 am today. No casualties were reported.

A Katyusha rocket fell on a house in al-Mashtal neighbourhood, east Baghdad at 3 pm today seriously injuring two of its inhabitants and causing material damages to the house.

A mortar shell fell in al-Rafah junction, down from Jadriyah Bridge towards Saidiyah, south Baghdad at around 4 this afternoon. It fell near a police patrol and injured 2 policemen.

5 unidentified bodies were found in Baghdad today by Iraqi Police. 1 in Husseiniyah, 1 in Shaab, 1 in Bab al-Sheikh, 1 in Amil and 1 in Alam.

Nineveh

A parked car bomb was detonated under control in al-Sukkar neighbourhood near al-Khansaa hospital at 2 pm injuring 2 policemen.

Updating yesterday's truck bomb incident, the detonation killied one Iraqi Army soldier, wounded 16 soldiers, and also wounded three civilians in Mosul yesterday, March 19, said the US military today in a release. The car bomb was a dump truck with approximately 2,000 pounds of explosives.

A roadside bomb exploded targeting a police patrol in al-Nebi Younis neighbourhood, central Mosul this afternoon, injuring two policemen.

Sulaimaniyah

Sulaimaniyah Police found an unidentified body at the foot of Goezha Mountain Thursday morning. The body was of a young male wearing black garments.

Tikrit

Raad Shallal, advisor in the ministry of electricity and supervisor of Baiji power station was kidnapped, with his driver by gunmen on the highway between Baiji and Haditha yesterday, Wednesday. The kidnappers contacted the family and demanded a ransom, 250 000 USD.

A booby trapped house at a water treatment plant killed an Iraqi Army soldier and wounded another in Diyala yesterday, March 19, said a US military release today.The Iraqi soldiers were conducting a clearing mission in the water treatment plant when one of the soldiers triggered a booby-trapped wardrobe door.

Anbar

A bomb was adhered to a policeman's private car causing him to lose one of his legs, and many other injuries, said a medical source in Fallujah hospital. The Police commented that this was a new style of attack by using adhesive bombs. The explosion took place near Abu obaida Mosque, downtownn Fallujah, yesterday March 19.

Kirkuk

Gunmen kidnapped Khalid al-Seyid Mohammed, who works as a security guard in a private security company from al-Hurriyah neighbourhood, Kirkuk city. The gunmen were driving a new red Opal.

Gunmen kidnapped the owner of a store in the central market of Kirkuk city, Lu'ay Semeer this afternoon.

Gunmen driving a fast car opened fire upon an Iraqi soldier in Aziziyah, Riyadh district, west Kirkuk, seriously injuring him. '

Title: Re: Fifth Anniversary of Iraq invasion
Post by: Dachshund on March 22, 2008, 02:48:11 pm

Five years after the outbreak of the war in Iraq, the humanitarian situation in most of the country remains among the most critical in the world. Because of the conflict, millions of Iraqis have insufficient access to clean water, sanitation and health care. The current crisis is exacerbated by the lasting effects of previous armed conflicts and years of economic sanctions.

Despite limited improvements in security in some areas, armed violence is still having a disastrous impact. Civilians continue to be killed in the hostilities. The injured often do not receive adequate medical care. Millions of people have been forced to rely on insufficient supplies of poor-quality water as water and sewage systems suffer from a lack of maintenance and a shortage of engineers.

Many families include people who have been forced by the conflict to flee their homes, leaving those left behind with the daily struggle of trying to make ends meet. A sustained economic crisis marked by high unemployment further aggravates their plight. '  

Title: Re: Fifth Anniversary of Iraq invasion
Post by: RapidRod on March 22, 2008, 06:34:48 pm

Like I said I'd like to hear what the Iraqi citizens have to say. I don't want a cut and paste article, where the poster can pick what they want to plaster on a forum. Because what I hear from the Democrats and the Republicans it's working in Iraq.

Title: Re: Fifth Anniversary of Iraq invasion
Post by: Dachshund on March 22, 2008, 07:49:58 pm

Quote from: RapidRod on March 22, 2008, 06:34:48 pm

Like I said I'd like to hear what the Iraqi citizens have to say. I don't want a cut and paste article, where the poster can pick what they want to plaster on a forum. Because what I hear from the Democrats and the Republicans it's working in Iraq.

Click on the video and you will hear real live people of the invaded country of Iraq talking.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2008/mar/20/surgecollapse

Title: Re: Fifth Anniversary of Iraq invasion
Post by: Dachshund on March 22, 2008, 07:53:36 pm

Because what I hear from the Democrats and the Republicans it's working in Iraq.  


You mean these democrats?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/22/democrats-demand-straigh_n_92890.html

Title: Re: Fifth Anniversary of Iraq invasion
Post by: Dachshund on March 22, 2008, 08:08:35 pm

 

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/03/18/EDGJVKQG4.DTL

http://www.alertnet.org/db/blogs/40453/2008/02/19-162813-1.htm

Title: Re: Fifth Anniversary of Iraq invasion
Post by: RapidRod on March 22, 2008, 08:17:02 pm

I'm sure we'll see some true non bias information in the near future. NG, I'm sure will have a good story on it.

Title: Re: Fifth Anniversary of Iraq invasion
Post by: Lis on March 23, 2008, 12:53:44 am

this thread pisses me off... you shit on all the men and woman that are doing there job.... they don't get to pick and choose what they do.. It takes a real piece of work to judge the job they do...

yes , the war sucks.. but say a prayer, and respect the people that are there

lis... the muck raker I guess......

Title: Re: Fifth Anniversary of Iraq invasion
Post by: J.R.E. on March 23, 2008, 05:19:42 am

Quote from: Lis on March 23, 2008, 12:53:44 am

this thread pisses me off... you shit on all the men and woman that are doing there job.... they don't get to pick and choose what they do.. It takes a real piece of work to judge the job they do...

yes , the war sucks.. but say a prayer, and respect the people that are there

lis... the muck raker I guess......

I don't think anyone is "shitting" on the men and women who are fighting this war. The ones that need to be "shit on" are those that got us into this mess in the first fucking place. A majority of Americans want this war "Over". Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld should all be tried for treason, and hung with the same rope that was used on Saddam.


As someone who served in the Army during the Vietnam War, I had no problems with anyone protesting that war, which killed over 50,000 Americans. We need to get the troups home. Let that part of the world take care of or destroy itself as far as I am concerned.


Ray

Title: Re: Fifth Anniversary of Iraq invasion
Post by: RapidRod on March 23, 2008, 06:53:28 am

Lis, I totally agree with you.

Title: Re: Fifth Anniversary of Iraq invasion
Post by: Dachshund on March 23, 2008, 08:25:15 am

I asked my father a Veteran of WWII and the Korean War and a career Naval Officer what he thought of people protesting this war. He said he may not agree but he risked his life in two wars to preserve that right for all Americans. He said talk to the veterans not those who never served.

http://www.ivaw.org/

Title: Re: Fifth Anniversary of Iraq invasion
Post by: RapidRod on March 23, 2008, 10:13:56 am

Then the words of my neighbors count, they have both have fought in the Iraqi war.

Title: Re: Fifth Anniversary of Iraq invasion
Post by: northernguy on March 23, 2008, 11:41:02 am

Quote from: RapidRod on March 22, 2008, 12:57:34 pm

I would rather hear what the Joe blow Iraqi thinks? I would like to see if they feel as though they have it better now, than they did.

It doesn't sound as though Joe Iraqi is thrilled. "It is hard to conceive the extent to which Iraqi society has been shattered by the conflict."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7300708.stm

Title: Re: Fifth Anniversary of Iraq invasion
Post by: RapidRod on March 23, 2008, 02:13:18 pm

I don't believe that the Iraqi people were all that happy to be under Saddam's control do you?

Title: Re: Fifth Anniversary of Iraq invasion
Post by: libvet on March 23, 2008, 03:50:09 pm

Quote from: RapidRod on March 23, 2008, 02:13:18 pm

I don't believe that the Iraqi people were all that happy to be under Saddam's control do you?

By the same token, Russians weren't exactly thrilled with the Tsars but what followed the revolution wasn't exactly wonderful either.

That of course is neither here nor there.  The fact is that the reasons for invading for thin from the start and both America and Iraq has suffered the consequences of a terrible foreign policy blunder.

Title: Re: Fifth Anniversary of Iraq invasion
Post by: RapidRod on March 23, 2008, 05:31:05 pm

Then like with Russia, we'll let history tell the story.

Title: Re: Fifth Anniversary of Iraq invasion
Post by: pozniceguy on March 23, 2008, 06:08:58 pm

The "war" will be an unending story....most Americans/ Europeans  even our Australian friends don't understand the way things really operate in that part of the world.....the "tribal" mentality rules over anything else......when your "tribe" has power they see no need to negotiate or cooperate....they simply wait you out and retaliate for even the slightest provocation......this is the overwhelming situation in the entire Middle East..true of the Israelis, Palestinians,Jordanians,Egyptians  and so on...... you don't see any of the   "friendly" Arab/Muslim countries springing to action to help because they understand about the tribal issue.....until one is so dominant or the other side just gives up there will be constant struggle.......the Americans or anyone else being there doesn't really matter it will not change the balance of "power" among the tribes....we need to and should be looking for the most graceful exit we can find...the troops have done a great job but further"military" progress is a daydream..it is now primarily a sense of Political will for the Iraqi's to get their act together.....
all that heartbreaking stuff about no water and electricity is primarily caused by the locals...they steal the components, they blow up the pipelines and when new equipment arrives someone black markets as much as they can and nothing gets fixed......If they are really upset by by the lack of these daily necessities then they ( the Iraqis) need to start cracking down on the locals.....as far as women's rights goes...that is not exactly new news in that part of the world...most of the locals consider women property of their family/ husband,,,,,,the American/ European idea of women's rights is not accepted or even understood by the tribes....
I think it is really time to show a positive move and start pulling back further and further from the "fight..."  force the politicos to take on the issues and be there to help if/when it turns to crap.....

Protesting the war in the United states may make some people feel good but protesting the action/ inaction of the Iraqis would be more useful

Nick

Title: Re: Fifth Anniversary of Iraq invasion
Post by: Dachshund on March 23, 2008, 06:47:39 pm

...and on it goes.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/23/attacks-kill-57-in-iraq-_n_92929.html

Title: Re: Fifth Anniversary of Iraq invasion
Post by: Matty the Damned on March 23, 2008, 07:06:12 pm

even our Australian friends don't understand the way things really operate in that part of the world.....the "tribal" mentality rules over anything else......when your "tribe" has power they see no need to negotiate or cooperate....they simply wait you out and retaliate for even the slightest provocation......this is the overwhelming situation in the entire Middle East..true of the Israelis, Palestinians,Jordanians,Egyptians  and so on......

As reticent as I am to contradict you Nick, I will.

Australia has troops in the field in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Notably our small contingent of combat forces will be withdrawn from Iraq by the middle of this year, but we continue to strengthen our forces in Afghanistan.

I myself have a close relative serving Afghanistan as we speak. Seeing active combat in a Royal Australian Regiment as it happens. He chose to serve and understands full well the risks he faces.

More generally Australia has large populations of migrant Iraqis, Iranians, Jordanians, Palestinians, Eqyptians, and other people from the middle east and have had since the mid 1970's, We also have large populations of muslim and christian Sudanese as well.

So yes, we do understand.

MtD

Title: Re: Fifth Anniversary of Iraq invasion
Post by: RapidRod on March 23, 2008, 08:10:01 pm

The democratic party is destroying itself. As for the the Iraqi war, we'll wait for "HONEST" remarks from the Iraqi citizens.

Title: Re: Fifth Anniversary of Iraq invasion
Post by: J.R.E. on March 23, 2008, 08:20:47 pm

Quote from: RapidRod on March 23, 2008, 08:10:01 pm

The democratic party is destroying itself.

Hardlly, not likely !

Title: Re: Fifth Anniversary of Iraq invasion
Post by: Dachshund on March 23, 2008, 08:25:23 pm

As for the the Iraqi war, we'll wait for "HONEST" remarks from the Iraqi citizens.

Maybe you could provide us with those "HONEST" remarks. Will it be based on the same honesty that got us into this war?

Title: Re: Fifth Anniversary of Iraq invasion
Post by: RapidRod on March 23, 2008, 08:28:42 pm

We'll all have to wait and see.

Title: Re: Fifth Anniversary of Iraq invasion
Post by: Dachshund on March 23, 2008, 08:31:59 pm

The dead won't. Happy Easter from Iraq.

http://www.crosswalk.com/news/religiontoday/11571256/

Title: Re: Fifth Anniversary of Iraq invasion
Post by: RapidRod on March 23, 2008, 08:40:34 pm

Yeah Hal, my nephew doesn't need to be reminded by the likes of someone like yourself.

Title: Re: Fifth Anniversary of Iraq invasion
Post by: Dachshund on March 23, 2008, 09:23:16 pm

I have a cousin who is an officer in the Marine Corp. The last time his family saw him was Thanksgiving of 2006. He's in some type of special forces that allows for no contact of any kind with friends or family while he is overseas or on duty. He participated in the initial invasion of Afghanistan and continues to serve somewhere, though no one in his family knows where. I could not be more proud of him or anyone else serving or who has served this country. As a Navy brat I have nothing but respect for the military and what it stands for.

That said, I am against this illegal war. I find the loss of innocent lives on both sides immoral.

Title: Re: Fifth Anniversary of Iraq invasion
Post by: Lis on March 23, 2008, 10:10:51 pm

too bad they wont let us join... we seem to have all the answers..  DAMN AIDS....

Title: Re: Fifth Anniversary of Iraq invasion
Post by: Dachshund on March 25, 2008, 10:09:40 am

A journalist from Iraq takes a tour of Baghdad to explain the success of the surge.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2008/mar/17/baghdad.city.of.walls

Title: Re: Fifth Anniversary of Iraq invasion
Post by: thunter34 on March 25, 2008, 10:20:39 am

Quote from: Dachshund on March 25, 2008, 10:09:40 am

A journalist from Iraq takes a tour of Baghdad to explain the success of the surge.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2008/mar/17/baghdad.city.of.walls

Bah.  More dishonest reporting, I'm sure.   ;)

Title: Re: Fifth Anniversary of Iraq invasion
Post by: Matty the Damned on March 25, 2008, 10:22:36 am

Well let's just wait and see what NG make of all this. I'm sure that naked pygmies will clear the whole thing up. :)

MtD

Title: Re: Fifth Anniversary of Iraq invasion
Post by: RapidRod on March 25, 2008, 01:12:11 pm

Well at least it won't be biased reporting Matty.  :D

Title: Re: Fifth Anniversary of Iraq invasion
Post by: Dachshund on March 25, 2008, 02:37:15 pm

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2008/03/pdf/public_iraq.pdf

Title: Re: Fifth Anniversary of Iraq invasion
Post by: BT65 on March 25, 2008, 03:45:11 pm

Count me in the 59% who believe the U.S. should have stayed out of there in the first place.

Title: Re: Fifth Anniversary of Iraq invasion
Post by: thunter34 on March 26, 2008, 10:38:53 pm

More biased reporting.


http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1725642,00.html?cnn=yes (http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1725642,00.html?cnn=yes)