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Deep Kissing with HIV+ Who is Not in Medication
« on: June 06, 2022, 08:25:49 pm »
I've met this guy and we are now like in a relationship for 3 months already unfortunately he recently been diagnosed as HIV+ and I assumed he's been positive for almost 2-3 years already since he has like a very very low cd4 count - below 100.

I understand that kissing is not an HIV risk as per search on different websites. But my case was I'm kissing someone who is already living with HIV without any treatment.

I somewhat assumed that all the non-exposure incident I read was because they are kissing someone are actually HIV negative or people with HIV but are undergoing treatment (they just claim that HIV status is unknown but in reality they are negative or undergoing treatment that's why they can't transmit the virus through kissing).

While on my case, I'm already kissing someone who is actually positive and not undergoing treatment (without me knowing it). In our three months, we kiss like smack on the lips, and like thrice we deep kiss with toungue and saliva.

I don't really understand on whether the word "kissing" was just a smack on the lips or cheeks that makes it not an HIV risk. Or does it include "kissing" on every other sorts of "kissing" like french kissing, deep kissing, with toungue, and others.

I assume that all the kissing I read on the internet is because they aren't actually kissing an "HIV+" guy (without treatment and with high viral load) that's why they aren't have any exposure which is different in my case.

I've seen that for low cd4 count, HIV copies are like 100k+. Is it a factor that the saliva becomes not effective in neutralizing the virus since it is too many?

I'm planning on getting tested soon, and I'm very worried that I was exposed to HIV since I was exposed to an actual HIV+ guy with no any treatment. Am I already at risk? I don't want to have any false hopes that's why I'm looking forward for an honest and straighforward opinion on my case. Thank you in advance.

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Re: Deep Kissing with HIV+ Who is Not in Medication
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2022, 12:18:22 am »
Hiya,

Read your post three times. Kissing, including with tongues, isn't an HIV risk regadless of your partner's viral load or treatment status. You did not acquire HIV from kissing; that much is certain, and there is no need to test over kissing.

Sorry to hear that your partner has been diagnosed with HIV. Hopefully, they can start treatment soon to suppress the virus, which will allow their immune system to recover.

With treatment, they can live a long life. The other benefit is that once a person living with HIV (PLHIV) is on antiretroviral therapy (ART) and has achieved an undetectable viral load* in their blood for 6+ months, they can not sexually pass on HIV. Meaning at that point in time, even if condomless intercourse occurs, they can't pass it on. https://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=71864.0

As your partner has not even started treatment yet, let alone suppressed the virus, make sure to use condoms should you engage in any sexual activities and you could consider talking to your healthcare provider about taking PrEP as an additional level of prevention.
 
Here's what you need to know to avoid HIV infection:
Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse correctly and consistently, with no exceptions. Consider talking to your healthcare provider about PrEP as an additional layer of protection against HIV

Keep in mind that some sexual practices described as safe in terms of acquiring HIV still pose a risk for other easier acquired STIs. So please do get tested at least yearly for STIs, including but not limited to HIV, and more frequently if condomless intercourse occurs.

Also, note that it is possible to have an STI and show no signs or symptoms, and the only way of knowing is by testing.

Kind regards

Jim

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Re: Deep Kissing with HIV+ Who is Not in Medication
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2022, 11:12:12 am »
Thank you Jim for the reply. I can't even help myself to somewhat put the blame on him on whether he got me infected too, it got me so worried that I just can't get myself to what it was before while counting days for my HIV test. I really do hope that I didn't acquire HIV by french kissing my partner. I really got worried when I found out how low his cd4 count and got me questioning if saliva is really excluded in the body fluids that transmits HIV. Thanks again for ready my post.

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Re: Deep Kissing with HIV+ Who is Not in Medication
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2022, 11:45:45 am »
You're welcome.

The only way you sexually acquired HIV is if you have engaged in other sexual activities than those mentioned here.

Relax, move on with your life.
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Re: Deep Kissing with HIV+ Who is Not in Medication
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2022, 06:51:52 am »
I just got tested a month ago, and it turned out negative. It's like 4 weeks after the incident. It's already 2 months and I'm planning to get tested again this month.

Aside from the deep kissed that we've done (before his diagnosis)...We did other sexual activities, and one is I've received an oral sex from him (this was still before, we are doing it anymore after his diagnosis)...What are my chances of getting HIV if there was an oral sex involved? Is the chances depend on the position?

I was at my laid in my bed when he did it, I'm afraid that since his mouth is on top, maybe his saliva can come down on the opening of my penis and got me at risk. After he did it, I've also masturbated, waited for a few minutes while I'm picking up my lube and I masturbated. He has rashes all over his legs, I'm worrying because he has a high viral load and maybe it may have put me at greater risk. Any assessment is appreciated.

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Re: Deep Kissing with HIV+ Who is Not in Medication
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2022, 07:03:09 am »
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We did other sexual activities, and one is I've received an oral sex from him (this was still before, we are doing it anymore after his diagnosis)...What are my chances of getting HIV if there was an oral sex involved?

Receiving a blowjob lacks the conditions required for acquiring HIV; thus it makes sense that after nearly 40 years of this pandemic in terms of BJs, there hasn't been a single documented case of HIV transmission to an insertive partner (the person being "sucked"), and you will not be the worlds first.

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maybe his saliva can come down on the opening of my penis

Saliva isn't an HIV infectious fluid, in fact, it's hostile towards HIV breaking down the receptors needed for HIV to infect.

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After he did it, I've also masturbated

Also not an HIV risk.

Look, day-to-day contact with your partner isn't an HIV risk; also, kissing, hugging, touching, rubbing, saliva, and receiving oral sex isn't an HIV risk to you.

Your risks are sexually limited to condomless intercourse and a minute risk if giving a blowjob, so minute it would not warrant testing.

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I just got tested a month ago, and it turned out negative. It's like 4 weeks after the incident. It's already 2 months and I'm planning to get tested again this month.

What you posted so far doesn't warrant any spesfic HIV testing as it wasn't an HIV risk, and I am not going to pretend otherwise. Stop all this worry, drama and stress over absolutely nothing, and move on with your life!
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