Worried over few incidents

[justcurious123]

Hi,


1) I have read numerous posts that have mentioned frottage, no matter how hard it is, is considered no risks. But I'm having a hardtime believing in it because what if the cervicovaginal fluids somehow flows itself down to the opening of the vagina and come in contact with the tip of my penis?

2) I was in a hotel, and I picked up a staple pin on the lobby floor and bend it to make a straight stick in order for me to eject my iPhone simcard tray. In the process, the staple pin pierced my thumb and I was worried what if the staple pin might come into contact with other person's blood with HIV?

3) While I was in Thailand, we went to this bar where weird shows are going on, e.g. a woman shooting somekind of sausage from her vagina right into a cup. During this, I was forced to hold the cup. Right after that, I mistakenly swipe the back of my palm near my chapped lips. What if there was some liquid came into contact with my chapped lips?

I am very worried and I don't know what else to do. It's been days since I am able to even hold a conversation with someone else. My mind will keep thinking about this incident. Please tell me what are the risks.

[jkinatl2]

Hi,


1) I have read numerous posts that have mentioned frottage, no matter how hard it is, is considered no risks. But I'm having a hardtime believing in it because what if the cervicovaginal fluids somehow flows itself down to the opening of the vagina and come in contact with the tip of my penis?

2) I was in a hotel, and I picked up a staple pin on the lobby floor and bend it to make a straight stick in order for me to eject my iPhone simcard tray. In the process, the staple pin pierced my thumb and I was worried what if the staple pin might come into contact with other person's blood with HIV?

3) While I was in Thailand, we went to this bar where weird shows are going on, e.g. a woman shooting somekind of sausage from her vagina right into a cup. During this, I was forced to hold the cup. Right after that, I mistakenly swipe the back of my palm near my chapped lips. What if there was some liquid came into contact with my chapped lips?

I am very worried and I don't know what else to do. It's been days since I am able to even hold a conversation with someone else. My mind will keep thinking about this incident. Please tell me what are the risks.

There are absolutely NO risks in any of the notions you have brought to this forum.

HIV is transmitted inside the body. Let's break it down:


Not through frottage - the cervical mucosa does not flow - that's why it's called "mucosa" and not "fluid. The fluid you you contact with your fingers and mouth arises from the Bartholen's Gland, near the entrance to the vagina. This lubricating fluid is no more infectious than sweat or tears. No one has EVER gotten HIV through frottage.

Not through a staple pin you found on the hotel lobby floor. HIV does not remain viable outside the body, so even if it was just removed from a petri dish full of raw HIV, you would not have had a risk.

Not from what seems tohave been an entertaining sausage-fest in Thailand. Again with the vaginal fluids.

You had no risks, but you seem to have a great imagination. Keep writing!

[justcurious123]

Hi Jkinatl2,

First of all, thanks for the prompt reply. I'm not much of a writer, but I will keep writing!

Please bear with me, as I am trembling deeply over this matter. To be frank, I am a little bit skeptical over your answers (no offense, I know you have been around for quite some time.)

1) You've stated that the cervical mucosa does not flow. Then how about a woman's vaginal discharge? Doesn't it contain cervical mucosa with it together? Doesn't it flow at a certain period too? How can you be so sure that during frottage, there's no vaginal discharge present outside a woman's vagina?

Taken from
http://www.empowher.com/reproductive-system/content/vaginal-discharge-and-cervical-mucus-frequently-asked-questions

WHAT EXACTLY IS VAGINAL DISCHARGE?
Vaginal discharge is a clear, white or off-white fluid that comes out of your vagina. You may see it on your underwear, or the toilet paper (when wiping after you urinate). Glands in your vagina and cervix produce this fluid. Vaginal discharge is also called "mucus", "cervical mucus", "vaginal fluid" or "vaginal secretions".

This fluid flows out of your vagina every day, and is actually a sign that your vagina is healthy! Your vagina is very resourceful, as it has an amazing ability to “self-clean! (much better than any self-cleaning oven!). The discharge that comes from your vagina is your vagina's way of keeping itself healthy and clean, by carrying out old cells, as well as to keep itself lubricated and free from infection.

2) For the staple pin case, I am a little less worried now thanks to your answer. I did not see any signs of blood on the staple pin. Hence, I am pretty sure the risk would be non-existant.

3) For the sausage fest case, again, what if the sausage accidentally bumped into the woman's cervix and came into contact with the back of my palm and my chapped lips afterwards?

[Ann]

Curious,

Let's keep this simple. In an adult, hiv is transmitted by:

Unprotected anal intercourse.

Unprotected vaginal intercourse.

Sharing drug injecting equipment - a staple or pin is NOT drug injecting equipment.

And that's it.

You have NOT had a risk in any of the activities you are worried about.

I'm an hiv positive woman who has engaged in frottage many times throughout my hiv positive life. I have NEVER passed my virus on to anyone else.

Here's what you need to know in order to avoid hiv infection:

You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL sexually transmitted infections together.

To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with an STI. Sex without a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.

Have a look through the condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.

Anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results.

Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv. Some of the other STIs can be present with no obvious symptoms, so the only way to know for sure is to test.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!

Ann

[justcurious123]

I know this would be my last post. Would someone else come and reply here as well in details? Mr Veles, if you are here, please share with me your thoughts over the risks in my case.

[Jeff G]

You didn't have a risk , its really very simple . If you cant except that you did not have a risk then you may want to consider that HIV isn't your problem and seek counseling .

[jkinatl2]

If you don't believe the virology, look at the epidemiology.

Where are the lesbians with HIV?

You can be as "skeptical" as you wish, but you igmore facts at your own emotional peril.

We have several people here who are allowed to give risk assessment, but we are in NO WAY a divergent set of people who disagree. We combined our talents and research to help craft this sectin of the forum, so trawling for another "opinion" is going to get you the exact SAME reply.

Having familiariszed yourself with the names on this forum and my tenure here, you ought to know that by now.

[blacrooy]

edited by Ann to remove an unauthorised response