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Title: AIDS Conference carnival
Post by: hope4love on August 23, 2012, 02:11:10 pm
Conferences on any issue questions the outcome, outcome effectiveness, future plan of action.. or it's just a get together carnival. Here an excerpt from an from AIDS conference. will be interesting to know your personal experiences from such conferences..

http://www.firstpost.com/world/why-i-wont-miss-the-aids-conference-carnival-387721.htmlhttp://
Title: Re: AIDS Conference carnival
Post by: mecch on August 23, 2012, 04:27:15 pm
I think he's pretty bitter. (Or is the author a she?)

"Is there a single breakthrough that came out of these conferences recently other than profane declarations and meaningless publications? Most certainly no."

What is your opinion?

i have a friend who works at UN AIDS in Geneva.  He makes some of the same criticisms about the conference "stars".  Except he (a first worlder) talks about how its a bit icky feeling when they are from resource poor countries.  The author lambasts stars from rich countries for spending money, saying it could have gone to the poor.  Really odd, its an American!  And America sends by FAR the most in AIDS funding to poor countries. The criticism sounds off. 

My friend is VERY careful to say that the downsides comes with the territory of ANY sort of professional conferencing, especially in health care.

Really if you've been to any sort of international conferencing you get the good and bad.  I don't think you can throw out the baby with the bathwater (the bathwater being waste and hubris among a few). 

(Ill give you a similar scenario. I worked for years in the USA in high society cultural philanthropy.  I remember the first time I saw 200,000 USD in flowers in a ballroom for a one-night event.  They were freaking amazing, but still!  Cleared over a million for the cause.  But all those ball gowns, decor, catering. ANd 200 GRAND in flowers!  All you could say is, it keeps A LOT of service people in work, all that money circulating, and the cause still got 1 million.) 

The one sentence sum-up, which is a severe put down, is misleading and offensive.
Title: Re: AIDS Conference carnival
Post by: leatherman on August 23, 2012, 05:09:49 pm
while I can understand some of the criticisms, I was more disturbed by the author's wrong-headed notion about "AIDS exceptionalism"

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No other disease has a dedicated conference of such a scale. Of course, no other disease also has so much money, so many organisations and so many people dedicated to it.

Malnutrition, infant and maternal mortality, malaria, tuberculosis and other preventable epidemics blight the world, but they don’t have dedicated conferences where people sing and dance, present “papers” say the same things again and again and make declarations.

This is called AIDS-exceptionalism, wherein people argue that AIDS is different.

Up until a lot of activists, advocates, nurses, doctors, patients, hospices, friends, and families put effort into stopping the epidemic in America, little was being done. Without all that hard work, vocalizations, and protests maybe the epidemic would still be raging the way it was.

I'm sorry that not enough people in the world care about "Malnutrition, infant and maternal mortality, malaria, tuberculosis and other preventable epidemics" to make this author happy.

But I'm also not sorry at all that enough people cared about the thousands of people (gay men mostly) in America, that were dying those gruesome deaths, to stand tall and make a difference. That money, organizations and people dedicated against HIV didn't just magically appear out of thin air or were just "given" to the cause. People stepped up, created ASOs, donated their time, sweat, lives and dollars and made the changes in government, society and education that were needed to slow the epidemic and get us to where we are today.

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Is there a single breakthrough that came out of these conferences recently other than profane declarations and meaningless publications? Most certainly no.
Sure there were breakthoughs! AIDS/HIV became a headline again and something the media, and people, talked about. Activists, advocates, scientists and politicians all learned more and were energized to do more. And, no small thing in itself, patients saw hope that a brighter future was still a goal that many were working toward.

Personally, while I think all the talk about an AIDS-free generation and a renewed push for a cure is just a lot of wishful thinking right now, I know that the beginning of plans were being laid down that would lead to those grand ideas becoming reality. Maybe the results won't happen in my lifetime, but these kinds of conferences are part of the move forward that'll result in a cure in someone else's lifetime.

this author sounds bitter and jealous (or maybe it's homophobia or some sort of stigma against HIV positive people), when he should be thankful that people came forward and pressed many governments and scientific agencies into combating HIV - and that they are still doing it 30 years later. Instead of bitching about the good work being done against HIV and being too short-sighted to see past the flaws of any type of conference, maybe he should write a more pro-active piece to inspire people to rally against those other problems that he was concerned about.
Title: Re: AIDS Conference carnival
Post by: Common_ground on August 23, 2012, 05:17:22 pm
I dont think AIDS conferences are any different than others. What the author doesnt seem to realize (or agree with) is that conferences serves a purpose of meet-and-greet, who-is-who and human interaction not possible via mail,skype etc. and a chance to be recognized for accomplishments( scientists and researchers needs this) Its a place for ideas, innovations to be shared both in formal and informal settings. Not to mention the publicity and media coverage etc.

The author is just silly and he is not coherent and concise in his criticism. Yawn...

Title: Re: AIDS Conference carnival
Post by: anniebc on August 23, 2012, 05:28:58 pm
I dont think AIDS conferences are any different than others. What the author doesnt seem to realize (or agree with) is that conferences serves a purpose of meet-and-greet, who-is-who and human interaction not possible via mail,skype etc. and a chance to be recognized for accomplishments( scientists and researchers needs this) Its a place for ideas, innovations to be shared both in formal and informal settings. Not to mention the publicity and media coverage etc.

The author is just silly and he is not coherent and concise in his criticism. Yawn...

*Like*..well said, I couldn't agree more.

Aroha
Jan
Title: Re: AIDS Conference carnival
Post by: phildinftlaudy on August 23, 2012, 08:54:10 pm
I'm still trying to figure out why this is in the Forums Gatherings topic area ???
Title: Re: AIDS Conference carnival
Post by: aztecan on August 23, 2012, 11:46:02 pm
I'm still trying to figure out why this is in the Forums Gatherings topic area ???

Me too. I have heard this type of drivel before. The "why does AIDS get all the money, attention, etc., when all these other diseases are just as important."

Sorry, doesn't wash. It's thanks to people in ACT-UP and families and people who wouldn't take no for an answer that makes HIV more discussed.

If people are worried about maternal malnutrition, or whatever, they need to do what we and those who were there with us but didn't survive, did. Get off your dead ass and make noise.

HUGS,

Mark
Title: Re: AIDS Conference carnival
Post by: wolfter on August 24, 2012, 07:39:42 am
No mention either of how the gays can throw the most fabulous conference parties.   ;D
Title: Re: AIDS Conference carnival
Post by: Ann on August 24, 2012, 09:00:54 am
Hope4love, I've moved your thread into the Living forum, which is the more appropriate place for your post and where you'll get more responses.

The Forums Gathering forum is strictly for topics discussing the annual AIDSmeds Gathering (AMG). It usually takes place in August, in a different city each year.

As for the article...

(http://www.mbpgsu.ca/mbpblog/files/2010/12/facepalm-500x400.jpg)
Title: Re: AIDS Conference carnival
Post by: newt on August 24, 2012, 11:23:33 am
The AIDS exceptionalism point aside, I pretty much agree it's a carnival, it changes nothing. - matt