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HIV Prevention and Testing => Do I Have HIV? => Topic started by: dan_posgo on October 10, 2007, 03:46:36 pm
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Iam worried because 25 days back i had some good time with an unmarried girl. We did nt venture into any sort fo intercourse due ot situational disadvantages. first we shared a cone ice cream, alternatively licking .then we had some tryst ina change room, she masturbated me by hand while i gently sucked her brests, and did finger fucking in her vagina. some kisses were alsos exchanged. there was no noticeable cut in my finger. She has never become a mother till now, but her HIV status is not clear. My worry is that exactly on the 22nd day i had a cold with running nose, which lasted for two days. it vanished without any medication too ( 2 paracetamol tablets , saving). Iam 41 and she is 20 years old.
Am i at risk? I need a point to fact assessment from learned counsels like Mr Andy et al
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No, there is no risk of contacting HIV from what you have described, please read the Welcome Thread (http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=220.0) and follow the links to the HIV transmissions lesson.
Jan
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Would like to have a reassurance from andy valezz too. dunno why my message was not taken seriouxsly by the learned men there
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Nothing you mention is any risk whatsoever for HIV. Seriously.
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Dan,
What, isn't a woman's reply good enough? Anniebc took your questions seriously and answered you seriously. You had no risk. By the way, JK is a man, maybe you'll believe him over Anniebc and I.
You had no risk in this situation. None whatsoever.
However, if you've ever had unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse with ANYONE whose hiv status you do not know, then you have been at risk from the unprotected intercourse and you should test. You do NOT need to test over your incident with the 20 year old as nothing you did put you at risk for hiv.
You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL sexually transmitted infections together. To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with an STI. Sex with a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.
Have a look through all three condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.
Although you do NOT need to test over this specific incident, anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.
If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results. Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv.
Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!
Ann
(who might a woman, but knows about hiv transmission regardless)
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Dear Ann,
Thanks for your convincing reply. Iam sorry that i had led you to such a conclusion that i needed reply from a genlteman. in fact it was not like that, i intended. Just i needed the opinion of those regular moderators, who i felt are much learned enuf to handle such queries. Iam so sorry if it had hurt you. one more clarifincation i need regarding ARS. Common cold for a day- is it by means a ARS symptom? Without much temeperature, and with lots of running nose. and hell lot of sneezing in the morning. The only medication taken was paracetamol 50 mg once, and cetrizine 25 mg once. i got once again affected by a cold on the 45th day too. ie today.
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Dan
From what you have described I would say yes you definatly had a Common Cold...as you have been told, by the men and the women of this board you are HIV negative, there was no risk involved.
Jan
(who is not only a women and Moderator but like Ann also knows about HIV transmissions)
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The common cold is just that -- the common cold.
And in case you haven't been paying attention, neither the presence nor the absence of symptoms is ever the way to know about HIV status. When there has been a risky incident, a genuinely risky incident such as intercourse without a condom, the ONLY way to know about your HIV status is to get tested at 13 weeks. You can't go by any symptoms.
In your situation it doesn't matter and you don't have to test because nothing you did put you at risk for transmission.
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Sorry for starting a new thread with a new piece of personal worry. This incident happened on February 29Th, 2008. Abiding to all the hitherto read cautions, i had a half an hour good times with a young maid whose HIV status is unknown. Not having a condom handy, i did not do intercourse, nor oral . we laid on a bed, she nude on her back, and i was on her side facing her. she masturbated me while i was playing with her pussy and without much insertion of my finger into her vagina. i noticed she was extra ordinarily wet and slippery, and for my query regarding this she answered that she was suffering from white discharge and was on medication for the same. I had a good orgasm from her handwork, and with the piece of a fabric ( a napkin) i cleaned my glans. I have a circumcised penis. Later on i noticed that the fabric was wet from her vaginal discharge prior to my using it for wiping my glans.
After 28 days, ie on march 28th i had rashes all over my hands and body, had temperature (99 to 100 degrees) , red eyes and running nose along with cough. The rashes on my ear lobes , back etc were itchy too. On a visit to my doctor he diagnosed me as having Measles. Rashes disappeared by 30th March, fever came down by 31st march, and the reddishness of the eyes have not disappeared totally even by today. The glands at the lower back of the head was having pain too.
I am now worrying if this was ARS.
Iam not convinced it was measles , because the rashes were not that horrible and itchy. Iam very much worried mentally and hence am seeking solace in this forum. I need a sincere evaluation of my case , by the brain tank in this forum regarding how dangerous was my rendezvous. Thanks and regards, Daniel.
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Dan,
I've merged your new thread into your original thread - where you should post all your additional thoughts or questions. It helps us to help you when you keep all your additional thoughts or questions in one thread.
If you need help finding your thread when you come here, click on the "Show own posts" link under your name in the left-hand column of any forum page.
Please also read through the Welcome Thread (http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=220.0) so you can familiarize yourself with our Forum Posting Guidelines. Thank you for your cooperation.
Your latest incident is not really any different from your first one. You didn't have a risk. Fingering, mutual masturbation, getting some vaginal fluids that have been OUTSIDE the vagina on your penis are not risks for hiv infection. Hiv transmission occurs INSIDE the human body, as in UNPROTECTED anal or vaginal intercourse.
Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!
Ann
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Though i was quite informed that non penetratin sexual activities are a no risk as far as hiv is conerned, the fact of getting the penile glans coated with a handful of vaginal fluid outside the body, was really terrifying me. In fact the contact was not direct, a cloth piece getting wet from vaginal fluid used for a press wipe of the penile glans and the ARS like symptoms i had , made me really afraid. Thanks for the soothing reply. For reassurance the question i keep open for all the renowned experts of this forum to peruse. My heartfelt thanks for one and all who take the pains of replying to me.Thanks once again, Danile
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The incident based on which i posted the last query in this thread had a speciality. The girl was suffering from "white discharges" . Of course the apparent smearing of the penis glans with her vaginal secretion happened OUTSIDE the vagina. I figure that the "white discharges" is the abnormal shedding out cervicovaginal fluid, which is actually a thick mucus which covers and protectes the cervix and which has more HIV concentration. Considering this fact, isnt it similar to the IV needle case? Please post a specific answer to this question.
Is sucking breast an HIV risk at all for adults ? Non lactating females also secrete something under strong suckings, i gather. Does this little fluid have an infection potential? please throw some light.
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Dan,
Unless you're an unusually gifted three month old baby who can surf the internet, then you have NOTHING to worry about when sucking breasts. Breast milk does NOT pose a threat to an adult, which I hope I can presume you are.
You're totally off-base where "white discharge" is concerned. You didn't have a risk, discharge or no discharge.
Hiv infection does NOT happen outside the body.
Ann
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Thanbk you Ann. For replying, as well as for comforting. Jut for the sake of educating myself, can i ask the difference between babies and adults in getting infected by swallowing the same contaminated breast milk. Thanks once again for the support given by you all. And my prayers for keeping the moderators and their spirit cheer ful always.
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Babies immune system is not matured as adults.
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It can take up to six months for the infant's own immune system to kick in. That's why they are vulnerable to HIV transmission via breast feeding. The same risk does not apply to adults.
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Rapid and Andy, is there at all an immune system to fight against HIV infection and succeed ? Event he healthiest are also felled by it, isnt it? i couldnt make out the difference. plese throw some more light on this specific topic. Iam amazed.
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I don't understand your question. If you're asking if someone with a healthy immune system can become infected, yes, they can. A damaged immune system certainly would make someone more vulnerable, but those with perfectly well functioning systems can become infected through unprotected intercourse.
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ANDY dear, my question was how a healthy person can resist HIV infection while swallowing breast secretion ( including copious milk) which is contaminated with HIV . Is it that the saliva in babies are unable to kill the entered virus before getting contact woith bloodstream? please..
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It can take up to six months for the infant's own immune system to kick in. That's why they are vulnerable to HIV transmission via breast feeding. The same risk does not apply to adults.
Andy replied to your question completely and thoroughly here, Dan.
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Now iam worried about my kid. he has crossed his 7th birthday recently. He was one of the twins born prematurely on the 225th day of gestation and was detained under intensive care in a neonatal care facility for one month. During this one month care period, I later came to know , that a nurse had tried to suckle my baby .Then the nurse was the mother of a 4 year old baby but sure was not lactating. Though ,even today she is not a proven HIV case, from her antecedents, NOW i fear she should be positive and she should have been positive then also. But this suckling incident happened only once , that too for a brief time. My son is still underweight, but he is active and devoid of any skin infections or stomach problems and is intelligent too. in 2003 and in 2007 he had 2 bouts of fever lasting 4 days each . Yesterday i was going through his blood report of the last day of his 2007 fever, his wbc was just 8000 which i feel is quite less with a fever. (But then The doc had told everything was normal). Now iam deeply worried about him. can you please tender advice?
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Even "if" it were true. Your son was never at risk of contracting HIV from be on a boob one time of another woman.
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Dera rapidrod, Andy valez and others,
Thanks for the breeze of a reply. in fact my head was reeling for a couple of days. But the Firm "never" in rapid rods reply, can i plese be given the privilege of listening to the scientific / logic reasoning behind such a conclusion. It is for sure that the nurse in question was not lactating at that time, but i was afraid of the possible secretions fromt he boob. And is it not ay one time of those multiple times that the real infection takes place. The kid in aquestion is one with absolutely no immunity at that time too. Kindly throw some more light.
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There is nothing more to add. NO RISK.
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Dan,
If the woman wasn't lactating, she wasn't lactating. No discharge. Even if she was, there was still no risk to the child from a fleeting, one-time occurrence.
And I have to question this incident. Were you there at the time? This sounds like hearsay to me. I can't see a qualified neonatal nurse (or any other type of nurse) trying to breast-feed someone else's child. It just doesn't happen.
I suggest you seek out some therapy for what seems to be an hiv phobia. You've come here repeatedly with situations that aren't any kind of risk. You should know this stuff by now.
Ann
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Ann Dear,
Thanks for the reply . 3 Cheers for your sparkling sincerity in dealing with the problem too.
To start with , i have to agree that I am developing some HIV phobia. Whnever i hear someone turned positive, i get restlessdays, sleepless nights etc. And i hope still it is not too late for controlling this phobia myself.
Regarding the query of yours, Ann, it did happen. Of course i was not there, nor did i see. The nurse in question was not a qualified nurse too. In the neo-natal nursing home I mentioned about, which is situated in India (Asia) , the inmates had to bring one person each, to take care of the sundry chores associated with the internment. Such chores included, washing the linen, cleaning the utensils and feed bottles , attending to the mother who was also recuperating after a scissarean . Kids used to be kept always in an electrically lit glass box. The nurse we engaged was a bit unaccustoed to the umpteen hygiene stipulationsof the nursing home, sort of anti establishment type, from a poor background.
One of those days , while i was taking her back to her house by my car, we got drawn into some smooching ; i exposed and felt her breasts, they were small with long nipples. while fondling them, she told me that she indeed had suckled one of my boys too the previous day. At that time I was unaware of the risks associated with such pranks. Somehow i recollected the whole incident recently, and was really getting mad till i got the replies from you in this forum.
Now I think I could convince Ann of the integrity of the incident.
Ann , please do reply.
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Dan,
Reply to what? You've already been told this incident posed no risk.
If you need a time out to encourage you to get professional help with your hiv phobia, that's what you'll get. Please consider yourself warned.
Ann