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Gov Perry of Texazz says he will not implement Obamacare. He will not accept hundres of millions of dollars from the federal government to expand his states medicade to cover more people nor will they implement a health insurance exchange.
The Governor of the state with the highest number of uninsured residents has spoken. I bet he gets another term in office too!
http://www.texastribune.org/texas-health-resources/medicaid/perry-tx-wont-implement-key-elements-health-reform/
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Perhaps Governor Rick Perry of Texas and Governor Sam Brownback of Kansas are butt buddies. Brownback has also stated he has no intention of implementing the Affordable Care Act.
This is the quote from Perry that makes me laugh the most:
"I look forward to implementing health care solutions that are right for the people of Texas," Perry wrote in the letter to Sebelius.
Perry could not be more disingenuous in this statement. He has no desire or intention to implement any healthcare solutions for the people of Texas, otherwise he would at least have come up with some kind of plan in the 12 years he has been governor. All of us here in Texas know his stance. But so many people here keep voting for Perry anyway.
Wumpy, aren't you a Rick Perry supporter?
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Wumpy, aren't you a Rick Perry supporter?
If he is, then he must be a jock strap 'cuz everyone knows Rick Perry is a dick.
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The money that would go to Texas (and any other state thats refusing to enact healthcare reform) should be divy'd up among all the other states that do enact Obamacare, allowing us to insure more people.
Sometimes you just have to give people what they ask for. Maybe then the people will vote him out.
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I live in Houston. Rick Perry is an idiot. Everyone in Texas pretty much knows this but to get elected here, all you have to do is talk tough on crime and promise not to raise taxes. This moron does both. I am moving from this state within the next year or so.
It's bad enough that Texas elected this idiot, not once, but THREE TIMES as Governor. I can't take it anymore and honestly, RICK PERRY is the main reason I am leaving.
FYI Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal says he won't expand Medicaid either.
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Governor
Dick Rick Scott is doing the same in Florida - refusing to implement Obamacare ---- even though, prior to the Supreme Court's decision, he said that if it was found to be constitutional he would implement - now he is saying that he will not expand Medicaid and will not set up SIEs (State Insurance Exchanges).... as those are things that states can "opt out" of...
I can't wait til we get to "opt out" of him being in office.
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So basically all of the red states will refuse to implement Obamacare.
The blue states will implement it.
The red states already have a higher rate of uninsured.
Nothing will change.
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Let's take the money and use it for a brand new high speed train corridor in the Northeast. I'd like to be able to get to NYC in 37 minutes (http://www.philly.com/philly/business/homepage/20120709_Amtrak_s_high-speed_Northeast_Corridor_plan_at__151_billion.html).
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So basically all of the red states will refuse to implement Obamacare.
The blue states will implement it.
The red states already have a higher rate of uninsured.
Nothing will change.
Nothing will change in the red states, but the blue ones will increase the number of residents with insurance. Just don't feel so bad, because bad government is everywhere, including here in Canada and especially Quebec, where I live. They are much more polite here, but have the same potential for stupidity.
Joe
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SC's Nikki Haley took the money to plan the strategy for how to implement the exchanges - after she told the committee that their decision was that it couldn't be done. ::) (I would call that fraud but the jury hasn't been convened on that corruption charge yet) So I'm not expecting her or our legislature to take healthcare dollars for South Carolina.
I'm wondering too if Gov. Haley's recent book, TV appearances, budget vetoes,and pandering against the ACA are to line her up for a chance at the VP slot.
I'll tell you, it's a sad day in America when Republicans won't respect the decision of the Congress, the President and the Supreme Court. Where are those bloody Tea Party jerk-offs when we really need them to be shouting about following the law?!? :o
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This opens up a whole new strategy for states to simply ignore or refuse to implement federal laws. What's next after the ACA? Environmental regulations? The sky's the limit.
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It's bad enough that Texas elected this idiot, not once, but THREE TIMES as Governor. I can't take it anymore and honestly, RICK PERRY is the main reason I am leaving.
@ drewm move to New Mexico, were always looking for a few-good-men :P
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@ drewm move to New Mexico, were always looking for a few-good-men :P
:P
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PLEASE NANCIES, STOP FREAKING OUT>
He will not accept hundres of millions of dollars from the federal government to expand his states medicade to cover more people nor will they implement a health insurance exchange.
This is a nice little spin, however you are forgetting that the states are going to be required to outlay billions in, at this point, unfunded state money to pay for this, up to 10% by 2019. But they get the first 3 years free ;D. Many of these states already cannot pay their bills as it is. States may look to siphon money from Education, Parks or elsewhere to pay for this. This is the main issue in these states. The money has to come from somewhere, and frankly I would have no problem having my state sales tax raised to pay for this It's not that no one thinks health for everyone is a bad thing. Afterall, the Mandate was originally an Idea that the repubs came up with to counter Hillary's health care fiasco back in the day.
Anbd REALLY people, did you actually expect Rick Perry to go away in a corner and suck on a lollipop and be quiet? Rick Perry is just doing what Rick Perry (and other politicians) do, screaming and stomping his feet to get some attention and camera time, and since SCOTUS has backed his position he is jsut more empowered. You people are falling in his trap. You do realize he is not the only governor giving the finger to Washignton, right?
Texas, being an economic powerhouse that it is, actually is in a better position than any other state to pay for this. And I would bet dollars to donuts that in the end Texas ends up expanding Medicaid and setting up Pools. I look forward to it, I pay about $400/mo for a private healthcare policy for me and my son and I am itching to see if I can get a better deal in the pools, although I suspect Im probably screwed either way.
Here is my thing, Im all in with the ACA, but the main problem is why didn't the feds fund it 100%, instead of 90%? This would create no burden on states and this would be a done deal with no backlash. Amirite?
This opens up a whole new strategy for states to simply ignore or refuse to implement federal laws. ... The sky's the limit.
the sky is not the limit if there were some teeth to the laws. We know that SCOTUS ruled requiring States to expand Medicaid roles is an "undo burden" and unconstitutional (based on the fact all medicaid funds would be withheld to states refusing). But what about the pools, I cannot find anywhere the penalty for refusing to enact pools?
oh and btw, I wrote in Ann richards in '06 and '10 8) Jsut because I was a Bushie doesnt mean I categorically support eveything Perry does or says ::) He's an idiot, didnt you people see his Debates?
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did you actually expect Rick Perry to go away in a corner and suck on a lollipop and be quiet?
Word around Austin and San Antonio is that ole Rick sucks just fine but that's another story :-X
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Many of these states already cannot pay their bills as it is.
Right -- you mean states with wholly unrealistic tax structures. You know, like retarded places called Texas and Florida that have absolutely no personal state income tax.
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Here is my thing, Im all in with the ACA, but the main problem is why didn't the feds fund it 100%, instead of 90%? This would create no burden on states and this would be a done deal with no backlash. Amirite?
This is nonsensical -- whether the "Feds" pay it or the States pay it, it comes from taxes that the citizens of the state pay. What it really amounts to (surprise, surprise) is that if the Federal gov't raises taxes, these Governors can yell and scream AND still keep their no tax pledge to that unelected, unaccountable to anyone, horrid piece of ass leakage, Grover Norquist. He owns the Repubs and has made a fortune ruining the lives of average American citizens, who are powerless to stop him because he's been elected to nothing.
So -- Perry and the rest of his ilk (my VA governor still hasn't fully weighed in on what he plans to do), should be called out for allowing their citizen's to pay taxes to the Fed and not get benefits sent back to them. They may be saving up to 10% of the cost, eventually, but you Texas citizens are helping to foot the bill for the other states.
M
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This is nonsensical -- whether the "Feds" pay it or the States pay it, it comes from taxes that the citizens of the state pay.
So -- Perry and the rest of his ilk (my VA governor still hasn't fully weighed in on what he plans to do), should be called out for allowing their citizen's to pay taxes to the Fed and not get benefits sent back to them. They may be saving up to 10% of the cost, eventually, but you Texas citizens are helping to foot the bill for the other states.
M
I think Willimina is razzled and dazzled by the "idiot from Paint Creek"*. Rick Perry is a disaster, has been a disaster and has shown no compassion or concern for the millions of Texans living well below the poverty line and in need of basic services.
*Perry is from Paint Creek, Texas. In the middle of nowhere!
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I think Willimina is razzled and dazzled by the "idiot from Paint Creek"*.
No, she's just another gun toting, anti-choice, Log Cabin Republican that lacks the cojones to admit to it publicly.
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be called out for allowing their citizen's to pay taxes to the Fed and not get benefits sent back to them.
that's one of the things I haven't understood the most. Citizens pay taxes into the Federal government, and yet our State leaders are blocking those funds (and sometimes more) from coming back into our states. WTF?
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No, she's just another gun toting, anti-choice, Log Cabin Republican that lacks the cojones to admit to it publicly.
When you come to SA, will I have to take down my John Wayne and "Rick Perry for Governor" posters before I fist you?
Speaking of Fisting, I get to see Hellraiser in a couple days.
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When you come to SA, will I have to take down my John Wayne and "Rick Perry for Governor" posters before I fist you?
Are you saying Miss P will have to ripped from your cold, dead hands??
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I'm having real difficulties envisioning my visiting any part of Texas, with the possible exception of Austin (downtown only).
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I read somewhere that states that don't set up programs will have the federal gov't come in and set it up.
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I read somewhere that states that don't set up programs will have the federal gov't come in and set it up.
For the exchanges, yes. That's a separate issue to the expansion of Medicaid.
If we're really lucky, Republicans will resist federal HHS bureaucrats coming in and setting up the exchanges and, like with George Wallace, Obama will call in federal marshals. There will be great calls about the death of democracy and the rise of the Black Dictator, after which the ruling elite will round up the plebes and place them in FEMA concentration camps.
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(http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/files/2012/07/DB_medicaid_map_lg7_6.jpg)
this map was done just before Texas turned to dark-red with Perry's announcement
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/07/09/the-state-of-the-medicaid-expansion-in-one-map/
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Well, obviously this is all partisan based. You almost can't honestly say it's an ideological objection, because the entire legislation was based on conservative/Republican health proposals in the first place. It's a giant, real time illustration of how completely off-the-rails wacky the entire GOP has become.
Anyway, it's a bullshit issue -- ultimately they'll take the money. They just need to put up a pre-election fight to pander to teabaggers.
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I think most pundits and a few of the posters on here are missing the real point about Perry....he is a dedicated "States Rights" activist and anything that looks or even could possibly be interpreted as "Federal Government involvement " is to be vigorously opposed. ..all the political correctness aside he is doing what the people of Texas want him to do, at least the ones who vote and have the right to vote ..... been reelected 3 times ...this does not mean he is against having health care...just against the Feds running it.
I encourage all with a little time on there hands to pore through the posted versions of the ACA and see all the little ( some not so little) groups, committees, review boards, coordinating committees and other hidden costs included in the Health care bill.... these are the issues being ignored while all the hot buttons are being pressed...a huge additional bureaucracy is being created to monitor/ control/ review how and who runs this monster
Perry and others just want to control it them selves...not be told what to do ...classic "States Rights" rhetoric/action....
the Court ignored the Commerce issue and called a penalty a Tax but still doesnt allow the people in one state to buy insurance sold in another state...the local "pools" of insurance will not address that either
and left it to the IRS to figure how to collect this tax with no way to enforce payment or even be sure who should pay...another committee/bureau perhaps??/ the administrative bill gets bigger by the minute....
Nick
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Dear God, you do love to drink the kool-aid don't you ol' boy? Wait until that buffoon Perry goes after the socialized medicine that keeps your scrawny ass alive and we'll see how much of a state's right advocate you are.
Texas tops the nation in the number of citizens who are uninsured—25 percent, or more than 6 million people—and a study by the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality recently ranked the state’s care level the lowest in the nation. Some studies show that without the Affordable Care Act, the number of uninsured Texans could climb all the way to one third of the population.
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real point about Perry....he is a dedicated "States Rights" activist and anything that looks or even could possibly be interpreted as "Federal Government involvement " is to be vigorously opposed. ...
Valid point.
..all the political correctness aside he is doing what the people of Texas want him to do, at least the ones who vote and have the right to vote ..... been reelected 3 times Nick
Another valid point.
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Valid point.
Another valid point.
Just because it's "valid" it doesn't make it right. >:(
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Oh btw, have yall seen Perry's new Texas Navy? Six Fully armored gunboats with 30cal. machine guns patrolling the Rio Grande...gonna stop the flow of Drugs which will suck for you yanks jacked up on Coke and Meth.
If Homeland Security won't do it, Texas will
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If Homeland Security won't do it, Texas will
... and it will probably later be found to be unconstitutional by Justice Roberts.
ps: we prefer crack and heroin in Killadelphia, with the exception of the promiscuous sodomites that frequent Club Body Center's Bear Room (http://www.cbcresorts.com/Club_Body_Center/Philadelphia_Facilities.html#2).
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I think most pundits and a few of the posters on here are missing the real point about Perry....he is a dedicated "States Rights" activist and anything that looks or even could possibly be interpreted as "Federal Government involvement " is to be vigorously opposed. ..all the political correctness aside he is doing what the people of Texas want him to do, at least the ones who vote and have the right to vote ..... been reelected 3 times ...this does not mean he is against having health care...just against the Feds running it.
I encourage all with a little time on there hands to pore through the posted versions of the ACA and see all the little ( some not so little) groups, committees, review boards, coordinating committees and other hidden costs included in the Health care bill.... these are the issues being ignored while all the hot buttons are being pressed...a huge additional bureaucracy is being created to monitor/ control/ review how and who runs this monster
Perry and others just want to control it them selves...not be told what to do ...classic "States Rights" rhetoric/action....
the Court ignored the Commerce issue and called a penalty a Tax but still doesnt allow the people in one state to buy insurance sold in another state...the local "pools" of insurance will not address that either
and left it to the IRS to figure how to collect this tax with no way to enforce payment or even be sure who should pay...another committee/bureau perhaps??/ the administrative bill gets bigger by the minute....
Nick
So just curious, for someone like Perry who is so in favor of "States Rights" Why does he support a Federal constitutional amendment to outlaw gay marriage? How come he doesn't support my state (which is sooooo far away from Texas ) to allow gay marriage? I thought he was for states rights?
I will give the Republican party some credit. They are genius when it comes to getting people to vote for people and issues which are against their interests.
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Valid point.
Another valid point.
State's rights my ass. If Rick Perry had his way using "state rights" he would deny (and already does) cock suckers like you and Nic your civil rights. I'm just going to go ahead and say it. Conservative homosexuals like you and Nic make me want to puke.
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Sweetums -- you folks LOST the "states rights" argument in 1865. It doesn't exist except coming out of the mouth of some Southern conservatard and their moronic lackeys that are sucked into the coded language of pandering.
Conservative homosexuals like you and Nic make me want to puke.
valid point 8)
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all the political correctness aside he is doing what the people of Texas want him to do, at least the ones who vote and have the right to vote ..... been reelected 3 times ...this does not mean he is against having health care...just against the Feds running it.
Thought # 1 - doesn't say much about the people of Texas does it?
Thought # 2 - Perry is an idiot who can barely string a thought or a sentence together. His last campaign for Governor was heavily scripted and managed photo ops and television ads. He refused to debate and refused to meet with the editorial boards of the states newspapers.
Even if I accept that Texas could run it's own healthcare system, it sure as hell wouldn't be the yell leader from A&M that put it together.
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Oh btw, have yall seen Perry's new Texas Navy? Six Fully armored gunboats with 30cal. machine guns patrolling the Rio Grande...gonna stop the flow of Drugs which will suck for you yanks jacked up on Coke and Meth.
If Homeland Security won't do it, Texas will
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Willimina, it will take more than 6 airboats to keep the meth out of Houston let alone up in Yankeeland!
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I'm just going to go ahead and say it. Conservative homosexuals like you and Nic make me want to puke.
Glad you got that out, you feelz better now?
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Willimina, it will take more than 6 airboats to keep the meth out of Houston let alone up in Yankeeland!
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Which makes me glad my dealer walks it in from Arizona.
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Glad you got that out, you feelz better now?
The only thing I feel is contempt. You deserve Rick Perry.
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State's rights my ass. If Rick Perry had his way using "state rights" he would deny (and already does) cock suckers like you and Nic your civil rights. I'm just going to go ahead and say it. Conservative homosexuals like you and Nic make me want to puke.
blasphemy my entire family is conservative, but that doesn't mean I'm
I'm too dam poor to to ever be that way :-X
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I will never understand any gay man, who supports any politician that proposes a constitutional amendment that would curtail gay rights. I'd like to know how anyone can do that, but then I can't conceive of that level of hypocrisy.
Joe
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You deserve Rick Perry.
valid point
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The only thing I feel is contempt. You deserve Rick Perry.
Ok, Mr. full of contemp, you crying and pissed because I:
Voted for Obama?
Am for Obamacare?
Wouldnt mind my sales taxes being raised to pay for medicaid expansion?
didnt vote for Perry last 2 elections?
Own a gun maybe?
Voted for Bush?
which is it?
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which is it?
Justin Bieber
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Justin Bieber
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/dailymusto/2012/07/justin_biebers_1.php
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I think most politicians use " states rights" as a cover - until, as pointed out thy want the Feds to do something (like amendment to ban marriage equality). If they want to solve the problem themselves, then refuse ALL Fed Medicaid funding and SOLVE IT.
What is Perry's solution? What is he doing to get the uninsured Texans some health coverage? He gets re-elected by because we Americans have short attention spans and too many are easily convinced by false soundbites.
Mike
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Justin Bieber
valid point
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I will give the Republican party some credit. They are genius when it comes to getting people to vote for people and issues which are against their interests.
Somebody's been watching The Newsroom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Newsroom_(U.S._TV_series)) :)
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Somebody's been watching The Newsroom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Newsroom_(U.S._TV_series)) :)
Actually it's from the book " what's the matter with Kansas "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What's_the_Matter_with_Kansas%3F
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I think most pundits and a few of the posters on here are missing the real point about Perry....he is a dedicated "States Rights" activist and anything that looks or even could possibly be interpreted as "Federal Government involvement " is to be vigorously opposed. ..all the political correctness aside he is doing what the people of Texas want him to do, at least the ones who vote and have the right to vote ..... been reelected 3 times ...this does not mean he is against having health care...just against the Feds running it.
I encourage all with a little time on there hands to pore through the posted versions of the ACA and see all the little ( some not so little) groups, committees, review boards, coordinating committees and other hidden costs included in the Health care bill.... these are the issues being ignored while all the hot buttons are being pressed...a huge additional bureaucracy is being created to monitor/ control/ review how and who runs this monster
Perry and others just want to control it them selves...not be told what to do ...classic "States Rights" rhetoric/action....
the Court ignored the Commerce issue and called a penalty a Tax but still doesnt allow the people in one state to buy insurance sold in another state...the local "pools" of insurance will not address that either
and left it to the IRS to figure how to collect this tax with no way to enforce payment or even be sure who should pay...another committee/bureau perhaps??/ the administrative bill gets bigger by the minute....
Nick
Nick, this is a load of crap, because Rick Perry has not put forth any initiatives to make healthcare either more accessible or more affordable for the people of Texas. Not one in the 12 years he has been in office.
So let's be clear, this has nothing to do with Rick Perry's "states rights" perspective on who should be running things. The reality is that Rick Perry doesn't care to do anything to improve healthcare in Texas.
Rick Perry certainly didn't have any asking the federal government for assistance with last year's wildfires, and whining that the federal government wasn't providing enough assistance. Which may, in fact, have been true.
So which way is it? Does Rick Perry want assistance intrusion from the federal government, or not? He believes in "states rights" only when it suits him.
Henry
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Actually it's from the book " what's the matter with Kansas "
excellent book ;)
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State's rights my ass. If Rick Perry had his way using "state rights" he would deny (and already does) cock suckers like you and Nic your civil rights. I'm just going to go ahead and say it. Conservative homosexuals like you and Nic make me want to puke.
States rights was the battle cry for Jim Crow laws, and that told me all I needed to know.
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Rick Perry makes me disgusted to live in this state
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there is an op ed in the washington post today from Matt Miller titled GOP to the uninsured: Drop dead. pretty much sums up the whole GOP status of the ACA and attitude in general, you're on your own. we are pretty much alone among the rich nations of the earth with respect to healthcare since all others seem to want to take care of their most vulnerable. pretty sad.
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there is an op ed in the washington post today from Matt Miller titled GOP to the uninsured: Drop dead. pretty much sums up the whole GOP status of the ACA and attitude in general, you're on your own.
I think this is essentially true. When I have discussed healthcare with conservatives they are more passionate when focusing on how people "abuse the system", inefficiencies and bureaucracy than actually providing healthcare to everyone. They seem to believe providing healthcare to everyone is either unrealistic or undesirable. I see conservatives as very focused on group affiliation: family first, church, community, states, country, etc. That is why you hear the argument from conservative leaders that community churches should support people who need healthcare. The further you move outside their group, the more resistance encountered, which is why they go ballistic when discussing healthcare or education being provided to "illegal aliens". They support healthcare for people they consider as "one of us" but not "one of them". Of course conservative philosophy regarding healthcare is more complicated than group affiliation but I do think supporters of universal healthcare would do well to make the argument that we are all Americans, we are all in this together and that America should be a role model for the rest of the world by caring for all our citizens. Supporters of healthcare need to use conservative affinity for group affiliation to their advantage by arguing that people who don't support healthcare for Americans are attacking U.S. citizens, hurting your family, your grandma, your friends and that opposing healthcare for US citizens is unpatriotic. People are much more likely to protect their family than help a person in need, so supporters of healthcare need to frame any arguments against universal healthcare as an attack against U.S. citizens and avoid referencing altruism except as it applies to taking care of children, grandma or hardworking American families.
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That is why you hear the argument from conservative leaders that community churches should support people who need healthcare. The further you move outside their group, the more resistance encountered, which is why they go ballistic when discussing healthcare or education being provided to "illegal aliens". They support healthcare for people they consider as "one of us" but not "one of them".
All you have to do is follow quotes from GOP talking heads or hear the crap they spew on talk radio. It is definitely us against them in their very narrow view of this country. Even when it comes to foreign affairs, the look at everything in the bilateral view of what is best for the United States and to hell with everyone else. You can look at this history of tough talk isolationism that goes back generations.
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I will never understand any gay man, who supports any politician that proposes a constitutional amendment that would curtail gay rights. I'd like to know how anyone can do that, but then I can't conceive of that level of hypocrisy.
Joe
Facebook has me spoiled; I was looking for a "Like" button for this post! I totally agree Joe. It just makes no sense.
Also like Ford's post. Dems need to be more vocal about the patriotism of supporting healthcare as a basic right for all.
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As Texas says FU.. California is starting to expand their Medicaid for those who are HIV positive :)
http://www.poz.com/articles/Alameda_County_Medicaid_1_22677.shtml
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Republican governors will eventually take the federal funds because insurance company's are not going to let them stand in the way of billions coming into their corporations when millions of people are eligible to be insured for the first time .
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Republican governors will eventually take the federal funds because insurance company's are not going to let them stand in the way of billions coming into their corporations when millions of people are eligible to be insured for the first time .
This, exactly. Republican governors will end up taking the federal funds to help their cronies and CEOs at the insurance companies, not because they really want to help more individuals obtain health care.
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This, exactly. Republican governors will end up taking the federal funds to help their cronies and CEOs at the insurance companies, not because they really want to help more individuals obtain health care.
Yeah ... its going to be all about the money for them since part of the mandate means insurance company's must spend more on health care and less on dividends for stock holders they are going to be mighty hungry for new customers .