help please

[MNFBUC]

thanks rapid...

and i forgot to add one more question to my previous post...the old " bizarre stories " of people taking up to 1 year and maybe even beyond to seroconvert...was that just i guess " made up stories " .. was those couple of cases even real....or do you think it was because they had recurrent exposures .... whats the scoop on that?

[RapidRod]

Reread all the other post replies to you. I believe we gave you answers to that question before.

[MNFBUC]

ann or andy or whoever...why does the cdc still say when you call them that testing beyond 6 months  still might be recommended up to a year if your doctor says... is that just some more CYA information and testing beyond 6 months is not recommended for anyone..just curious..  i just dont understand their recomendations .. 3 months if you dont know , 6 months if you know they were positive , then they say rare cases 6-12 months seroconversion have been reported , but testing beyond 6 months not recommended ..  have they finally realized that no one will seroconvert past 6 months , but just leave that 6-12 months crap because people did test positive ( due to less sensitive tests back then ) back then or what> lol .. confused please sum that up..   I believe the CDC needs to get their crap together..

thanks

[Ann]

MN,

You need to get over the fact that you got a blowjob. Getting a blowjob is not a risk for hiv infection and you never needed one test, let alone one at, or past, six months. You are conclusively hiv negative and if you keep on using this forum to wring your hands over a blowjob, you'll earn yourself another time out - eight weeks this time.

Ann

[MNFBUC]

i know that .. i understand i didnt have a risk ....im just asking this question out of curiosity now, why are the rare reports of 6-12 months still on CDC's website...if no one will seroconvert past 6 months...i mean i know that even the CDC doesnt recommend past 6 months..but why would they still try to scare people with that " rare reports of people testing positive 6-12 months have been reported " bullcrap on the site?

[MNFBUC]

i know that .. i understand i didnt have a risk ....im just asking this question out of curiosity now, why are the rare reports of 6-12 months still on CDC's website...if no one will seroconvert past 6 months...i mean i know that even the CDC doesnt recommend past 6 months..but why would they still try to scare people with that " rare reports of people testing positive 6-12 months have been reported " bullcrap on the site?

[Ann]

MN,

Who knows why the CDC has outdated information on their website. Considering they are run by a government that favours Abstinence Only education - which has been proven to not work - instead of proper sex education, they think politics are more important than real, scientific facts.

The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of people who have actually been infected will seroconvert and test positive by six WEEKS, with the average time to seroconversion being only 22 days. It is rare even for people on chemotherapy, anti-organ-rejection drugs or long term IV drug users to take more than three months to test positive.

You really need to let this go, mate. Just make sure you use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse and you will avoid hiv infection - and you won't have to worry about the time it takes to seroconvert either.

Ann

[MNFBUC]

thanks ..yall always make me feel better...and even if drug users or cancer patients or whatever did take longer than 3 months ( i know its rare ), all seroconversions will be caught by 6 months because no one will seroconvert past 6 months, no matter what , no matter your health!! am i still on the right track >?

[MNFBUC]

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[MNFBUC]

hanks ..yall always make me feel better...and even if drug users or cancer patients or whatever did take longer than 3 months ( i know its rare ), all seroconversions will be caught by 6 months because no one will seroconvert past 6 months, no matter what , no matter your health!! am i still on the right track >? 

[Ann]

MN,

Your question has already been answered. All but the very rarest of person will seroconvert and test positive by three months. All hiv infections will be caught by six months, but unless you have a immune system that is severely compromised through drastic medical treatment or being at death's door through years of drug misuse, then you don't need to test past three months.

Keep posting and you will earn yourself a time out. You never had a risk in the first place.

Ann

[MNFBUC]

thanks

[MNFBUC]

aidsmeds i just wanted to say sorry for continously posting over no risk incident...i finally realized this is the place that knows what their talking about..i ve heard people in the past saying the CDC gives different answers to questions , and believe me they do...i called the other day 3 different times and got 3 different answers about testing beyond 6 months... 1 was like yea you need to, the other one was like talk to a doctor, and the 3rd one ( probably the smartest of them all ) was like man after 6 months , that is as accurate as your going to get and no more tests are recommended after 6 months....

It seems like the CDC is the only place left who still talks stuff about 12 months . lol. ... so its obvious they are outdated......

thanks again aidsmeds.... yall are great   

[RapidRod]

I have no idea why they are going against their own guidelines. 3 months is the conclusive test, not 6 months or a year.

[MNFBUC]

i have one more question .. when i got my test results...the lady said 18 months was the window period...let me guess...i should nt even worry about what she said cause she must not be up to date on hiv window period information .. 6 months is still the longest anyone would have to wait..

how come people dont educate the ones who give our hiv test about the new window period and hiv testing information..??

[RapidRod]

They want your money and we aren't concerned with how much you spend. We give you the facts and the main one is that you didn't have a risk. You don't need to test, but you do need to move on.

[MNFBUC]

hello everyone..hope yalls holiday seasons going well....im doing alot better...i just need to understand one thing...i know i didnt have a risk...but i really want to know incase i ever need to take a test after another possible exposure if i have one.... please answer


ok...now with the new window period being 3 months...unless drug user etc... testing out to 6 months will be definite and no other tests are needed since no one seroconverts past 6 months.... i understand all this...

but when you hear about testing out to 1 year...why is that ... is that because back then the old tests were not as sensitive  and could not pick it up until then while in fact the people still have seroconverted within 3 months... just dont understand that.... i guess since science did studies they also seen that people actually seroconvert with in 3 months...confused....why was a year even mentioned back then.....and not now....please reply...

thanks ..

MNFBUC

[MNFBUC]

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[MNFBUC]

hello?

[Darkfiber]

MNF

No educated, up to date source would tell you to test out to one year.

It does not matter what old outdated websites are stating.

Regards

D.

[Ann]

MNF,

The reason why the window period has been coming down from one year, to six months, to the current three month standard doesn't really have anything to do with the tests.

It has to do with the fact that over they years, as clinics have gained more and more experience with testing, we have come to understand that no matter what, the vast majority of people will seroconvert and test postive by six weeks. I'm fully expecting the window period to be reduced to six weeks sometime in the next few years. Until then, we go by the three month conclusive negative result rule of thumb.

Ann

[MNFBUC]

merry christmas all....hey i was just searching around on this website called poz.com.... i found this article where it says performers and receiving oral sex has documented cases of infection occuring...whats the deal with that....isnt aidsmeds joined with poz.com... just dont understand ... does this doctor not know what shes talking about or what....whats the deal?

http://www.poz.com/articles/427_2490.shtml

[RapidRod]

It doesn't say anywhere in the link that you posted, that there are documented cases. Please reread what it says.

[MNFBUC]

"Penile oral-infection cases have been documented for both performers and recipients. "

[RapidRod]

And what else did it say? "Is HIV infection through oral sex possible? Yes. Is it probable? No." Why? Because there is no risk. Those so called documented cases have been refuted. Why? Because you can not take the word of a person that says, "That's all we ever did," of which, there is no way to back up their statements. If you would have read the studies that have been done on couples that one is positive and one is neg. You'll see that none have been infected by giving and receiving oral sex.

[Ann]

MN,

You got a blowjob and it's high time you got over it. You didn't have a risk from a blowjob and you have negative tests out to six months to prove it. There's nothing more we can do for you here - everything we say falls on deaf ears anyway.

I warned you a few weeks ago that if you didn't stop posting over this no-risk with a conclusive negative situation, that you would be given a time out to encourage you to seek face-to-face help with your sexual anxieties. You ignored my warning completely and now I have no choice but to give you a four week time out. Do NOT create a new account to get around your time out because if you do, you will be banned permanently, no questions asked.

Ann

[MNFBUC]

wow ... ok...i was talking with rapid.. but ok merry christmas to you too

[Ann]

MF,

I've just remembered you've already had one time out already. Your second time out is for 56 days. Please seek out the services of a mental health care professional to help you deal with your anxieties. This forum is not the appropriate place to deal with them.

Ann

[MNFBUC]

hey aidsmeds..the timeout has helped me.. i got some counseling and am doing alot better...i just need to finalize one thing with yall please... i know i didnt hafve a risk, i know that all hiv infections will be caught by 6 months, regardless of how bad off you are, but please.. answer this... would like ann , rapid, or andy to reply as well.....

now even though the lady at the health unit told me i had to come back at 18 monts post exposure,  that is nonsense right... should i go back... only reason im asking  is because the cdc said that testing beyond 6 months is not recommended and should be based on clinical judgment... so i figured when she said that, it was considered clinical judgment.... is she just not up to date on hiv science?   just help me out here... please... Do I need to go back and have another hiv antibody test because she said that?    i swear this is it .. and i truly appreciate everything yall have done not only for me, but everyone else as well...

[RapidRod]

Looks like you are headed for another time out.

[MNFBUC]

can i just get an answer please... do i need to go back just because she said to at 18 months  or does she just not know what shes talking about.. please answer... i swear this is all....

[Ann]

MN,

Please let me remind you of what I said to you in December. My answer isn't going to change.

MN,

You got a blowjob and it's high time you got over it. You didn't have a risk from a blowjob and you have negative tests out to six months to prove it. There's nothing more we can do for you here - everything we say falls on deaf ears anyway.

I warned you a few weeks ago that if you didn't stop posting over this no-risk with a conclusive negative situation, that you would be given a time out to encourage you to seek face-to-face help with your sexual anxieties. You ignored my warning completely and now I have no choice but to give you a four week time out. Do NOT create a new account to get around your time out because if you do, you will be banned permanently, no questions asked.

Ann

You got a no-risk blowjob - with a negative result out to six months - get over it.

And don't forget, if I have to give you another time out, this one will be for keeps.

Ann

[MNFBUC]

ok thanks ann.... so what i should do , is just man up , and realize that the lady did not know what shes talking about when she said to test at 18 months and forget about it since i have tests all the way out to 6 months.... regardless of what cdc says about listening to clinical judgment.....  HA.. i guess we should be aware of what clinical judgment we listen to since they are not all up to date on   hiv testing.... 


So this is it... after this answer i will not be back....  I need to just move on dont I and forget about that 18 month bullshit and just realize that i didnt even need test past 3 months, and especially dont need to test past 6 months since science already proved ALL INFECTIONS, REGARDLESS OF WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU, will show up in 6 months...  CDC says it itself anyway... 

Thanks in advance for everything yall have done ... ill stop by from time to time... but i will always remember yall.... Atleast we know that there are some people out there who like to help others...... 

please answer that question.... thanks everyone who helped me on this forum.... MNFBUC.

[Ann]

please answer that question.... thanks everyone who helped me on this forum.... MNFBUC.

MN,

What question? You didn't ask one.

Ann

[MNFBUC]

 Dont I just need to move on  and forget about that 18 month bullshit and just realize that i didnt even need test past 3 months, and I especially dont need to test past 6 months since science already proved ALL INFECTIONS, REGARDLESS OF WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU, will show up in 6 months...  CDC says it itself anyway...    Basically with my 6 month test, my question is  do i need to go retest since the CDC says listen to clinical judgment or testing site staff,  or can i just forget about that 18 month bullshit and move on with my life since i have a 6 month negative antibody test and that lady didnt really know what the hell she was talking about..  Hell the CDC says 6 months is the limit lol..

thank you so much ann...  you really dont believe me...but im telling you after this answer to this question..yall would have relieved me...there is something special about yall...

much love and thankfullness

mnfbuc

[MNFBUC]

any expert can answer for me please...im ready to let this go....

[ACinKC]

YOU DO NOT NEED TO RETEST!  They have told you that NUMEROUS times.  Please Please do yourself a favor and listen to them.  They have already answered this.

No need to retest.  Move on.  She doesnt know what she is talking about(The nurse telling you to come get retested at 18months).  Get on with life.

[MNFBUC]

thanks ac..i appreciate it... i just want to know if either ann , andy , or rapid agree...im sure they do... i just want to hear it from them one time....but thanks..

[RapidRod]

Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.

[MNFBUC]

so just forget about what the lady said about 18 months regardless of what cdc says about testing after 6 months should be based on clinical judgment or testing site staff, and move on with my life since she aint up to date on hiv testing ?

[Ann]

MN,

You're not listening. You didn't have a risk. You didn't need to test once over a blowjob. You didn't need to test at six months. You don't need further testing.

You have also not listened to my warnings. I'm giving you that permanent time out I warned you about several times now.

I suggest you continue with your therapy. We can't help you here.

Ann