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I have used, abused or have an addiction to the following...

Alcohol
Ecstasy
Food
Marijuana
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Offline marc11864

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Alcohol, Crystal, Ecstasy, Food, Pot, Sex and HIV
« on: February 27, 2007, 08:22:57 PM »
Arrrrgh!!!   

 I've had so much difficulty over the last few days as to how I wanted to address the whole methamphetamine, ecstasy, alcohol, sex, insert substance/act hereÖ, issue that has been cropping up in the forum and yet for some godforsaken reason I feel terribly compelled to.

 Perhaps it is because I have used or abused some of the above in the past and I have my own shame about my own occasional but rare use. Maybe it's because like anything else in the world, I believe that there are some beneficial things about the use of the above (INCLUDING METH) that should be explored. Possibly it's a little of both. Or maybe, just maybe I know from my own experience and the observation of so many others that the way we have been dealing with it up until now has in no way diminished it's experimentation and allowed them to continue to plague us. In any event, I won't point fingers at anyone because we are at least creating dialogue with each other about this issue. Some thing to think about is that the only thing that separates use from abuse is legality.

 IMHO I believe one of the biggest problems about addressing these issues is that many of you are quick to wag your fingers and pigeonhole certain drugs as the root of all evil and to be avoided at all costs. I also think it is this level of hysteria and negativity that further propagates their abuse. Especially, as regards methamphetamine within the Gay community. It's so very easy for most of us (society) to easily place the blame on the substance or the act of using. One can even carry the argument to those who have lots of sex as being sex abusers. I believe that this marginalizes the issue and the abuser of that substance or act even further and thus compounds the problem.

 We also need to define and draw a very clear distinction between those who use drugs, those who abuse drugs and those who have an addiction. Lumping people into the same categories for brevity's sake or so that a moral high road can be taken, alienates us and shuts out the message to be communicated. And worst of all, it allows us to continue to deny the real issues that absolutely must be addressed if we are to finally get a handle on how these drugs/acts damage our relationships, our health and our way of life. Especially for those of us who have HIV.

 Whew!!! Well at least it's a start.
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Re: Alcohol, Crystal, Ecstasy, Food, Pot, Sex and HIV
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2007, 08:27:59 PM »
All of the above.  Yes.

And I would add heroin and cocaine to what I've already marked.

Much more so than either E or meth. 

Waaaaaaaaaaaaay much more so.

Wild times.

Or something like that...

Am I ashamed of the fact that I was somewhat addicted to heroin and very addicted to coke?  No.  Not at all... it was a learning experience, and I have some really bizarre stories to tell at bars that make people laugh...  but I was also that kid who had to burn himself on the stove and electrocute himself on the vacuum cleaner to figure out what it was a bad idea.
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Re: Alcohol, Crystal, Ecstasy, Food, Pot, Sex and HIV
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2007, 08:31:04 PM »
Really!  I have far more options to cite than you have listed from which to choose.  But for the record, I checked all of them.


Tim

(Who would probably have more diffculty finding 6 he did NOT use at some point)


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« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2007, 08:34:14 PM »
(Who would probably have more diffculty finding 6 he did NOT use at some point)

Oh yes.

I was that kid in college...

Someone With a Mystery Pill:  Benj, what is this, I have a bunch of them and I don't know what they are.
Me:  I don't know either.  Let's find out. (I swallow pill.)

20 minutes later.

Me: It's a muscle relaxer.  Let's find some Valium and wine and have some real fun, ya pussy.
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Re: Alcohol, Crystal, Ecstasy, Food, Pot, Sex and HIV
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2007, 08:34:41 PM »
Marc,

Matty the Damned agrees with you wholeheartedly. He thinks you make good sense with this post. He suspects, however that the Just Say No crowd will be here soon enough to decry your wicked permissiveness.

If or when that happens. Be proud babe. In controversy there is much honour. ;)

I've been an dedicated follower of the Pleasures of the Flesh for years now. I mean, if it's good enough for the Spectacularly Reverend Ted Haggard then it's good enough for MtD.

I've always loved people who condemn speed freaks and heroin addicts between slugs from a whiskey bottle. Or methheads who freebase up a storm but spit venom at anyone who dares to load up a syringe and inject their drugs.

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Re: Alcohol, Crystal, Ecstasy, Food, Pot, Sex and HIV
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2007, 08:39:05 PM »
I need a little more definition of "food" and "alcohol" before I flat-out say that I "used" them.  Do you mean "as a crutch?"  Because some days, food is all I have.  Well, that and beer.  Which is a food.

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« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2007, 08:39:26 PM »
All of the above plus many more.

I'm a suck it and see, sorta guy.
I've even been dumb enough in the past to crush up e's and inject them. We also invented this silly thing called a triple bypass - shoot up 1/2, snort 1/2 and stick one up ya butt. Messy days, indeed.
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Re: Alcohol, Crystal, Ecstasy, Food, Pot, Sex and HIV
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2007, 08:40:30 PM »
So noted!
...
And I would add heroin and cocaine to what I've already marked...

So noted. And I'm happy to add a couple more as well. These were really just a beginning.
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« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2007, 08:41:56 PM »
So noted!
So noted. And I'm happy to add a couple more as well. These were really just a beginning.

With the human chemical disposals on this site (of which I am a proud member), you'll have quite the list very soon... of that I have no doubt.
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« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2007, 08:43:50 PM »
All of the above plus many more.

I'm a suck it and see, sorta guy.
I've even been dumb enough in the past to crush up e's and inject them. We also invented this silly thing called a triple bypass - shoot up 1/2, snort 1/2 and stick one up ya butt. Messy days, indeed.

We used to do something rather similar with heroin.

I was no fan of shooting up (because at the time... ironically enough... I was terrified of catching HIV from a dirty needle and could never find one that was unopened... this is probably how I managed to avoid Hep C)... but the couple times I did... it was shoot half, snort the other half.
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Re: Alcohol, Crystal, Ecstasy, Food, Pot, Sex and HIV
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2007, 08:44:37 PM »
All of the above plus many more.

I'm a suck it and see, sorta guy.
I've even been dumb enough in the past to crush up e's and inject them. We also invented this silly thing called a triple bypass - shoot up 1/2, snort 1/2 and stick one up ya butt. Messy days, indeed.

Hey!  I've done that!  Well....close anyway.  Snort some, swallow some and then some for the bum.  Triple bypass...I like that tag.  That was the only way I could get E to work on me like it did one everyone else.  For some reason, just swallowing it wouldn't last all that long.  I would metabolize it way fast.  Six hours for everybody else= maybe 2 or 3 hours for me.  Until the bypass...


Again....good times.  Good times.



PS to Basquo:  I think he means the getting really bummed out and coping with a whole tub of ice cream kind of experience. 
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« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2007, 08:47:53 PM »
I need a little more definition of "food" and "alcohol" before I flat-out say that I "used" them.  Do you mean "as a crutch?"  Because some days, food is all I have.  Well, that and beer.  Which is a food.

The definitions of the above items are pretty clear. Each individual should define his or her own level of access of the items. Try not to think too deeply about what your answers are. :) "Use" is use. It is not meant to have a value.
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Re: Alcohol, Crystal, Ecstasy, Food, Pot, Sex and HIV
« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2007, 08:48:43 PM »
Prescription pillz have recently surpassed other drugs in High Schools. (In my area) Particularly Oxyconton and other pain killers.
I would like to see them included.

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« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2007, 08:51:04 PM »
There is of course that uncomfortable squiriming for the first 10 minutes or so when you think the one up the butt is surely gonna fall out or something, till that warm glow from below creeps up on ya.

I remember once after the bypass, we visited a friends mum in hospital (what were we thinking). We then drove back to the hospital in the middle of the night and scoured the footpath out the front for hours on end, sure as sure can be that we had lost the last of our pills there.
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Re: Alcohol, Crystal, Ecstasy, Food, Pot, Sex and HIV
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2007, 08:52:25 PM »
Yes to everything over the period of 32 years comprising my "adulthood", except heroin. But does Fentanol count?

We mustn't be so harsh in rending judgements over which we know so very little.

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« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2007, 08:52:41 PM »
Prescription pillz have recently surpassed other drugs in High Schools. (In my area) Particularly Oxyconton and other pain killers.
I would like to see them included.

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« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2007, 08:54:40 PM »
Yes to everything over the period of 32 years comprising my "adulthood", except heroin.

I have heard this a lot.  I first did heroin when I was 20... the only illegal drug I'd done previously was weed, and I absolutely loathed it. 

Why I honed in on dope is beyond me... except for the William S. Burroughs...

But yeah... heroin still has that "pariah" status among drugs which I'll never quite understand.

Wait... I did it for 8 months.  I do understand it.
 

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« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2007, 08:55:09 PM »
I would like to see them included.

As part of the curriculum? I totally agree!

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« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2007, 08:55:41 PM »
I hear Robitussin is also in vogue these days.  Could never stand the taste of it myself or I am sure I downed that by the gallon as well.

To fearless:  To this day, I sometimes gasp aloud when I suddenly remember myself doing such things.


And as for the bum bypass, I used to crush mine up somewhat into a powder for that.
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« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2007, 08:56:46 PM »
I'm just wondering why "food" was included on the list--I totally understand alcohol.  Food is a necessity, and while I agree it can be the enemy, I thought, "one of these things is not like the others." I doubt anyone here is going to booty-bump an apple slice, unless it's laced with one of the other listed substances.  It just seemed a weird option given late discussions.

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« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2007, 09:00:01 PM »
I hear Robitussin is also in vogue these days.  Could never stand the taste of it myself or I am sure I downed that by the gallon as well.

Robotripping is what I've heard it called.

Many are the heads I've held over a toilet thanks to our friend dextromethorphan.
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« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2007, 09:02:19 PM »
I'm just wondering why "food" was included on the list--I totally understand alcohol.  Food is a necessity, and while I agree it can be the enemy, I thought, "one of these things is not like the others." I doubt anyone here is going to booty-bump an apple slice, unless it's laced with one of the other listed substances.  It just seemed a weird option given late discussions.

My ex went from 195 when we met up to well over 350 lbs in nine years. His food problems co-incided exactly with his dependancy on opioids. He once took 85 Percocets in the course of a week-end, too.

It's yet another something to fill the void.

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Re: Alcohol, Crystal, Ecstasy, Food, Pot, Sex and HIV
« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2007, 09:03:50 PM »
I'm just wondering why "food" was included on the list--I totally understand alcohol.  Food is a necessity, and while I agree it can be the enemy, I thought, "one of these things is not like the others." I doubt anyone here is going to booty-bump an apple slice, unless it's laced with one of the other listed substances.  It just seemed a weird option given late discussions.

Basquo, I dare not say what food items have in fact found their way into my rectum. 


But, no...I don't think it is all that weird of an option.  When I was a kid, I got picked on an awful lot.  I used to binge eat as a coping mechanism back then.
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« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2007, 09:05:22 PM »
I'd like to add something, if I may...


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« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2007, 09:08:56 PM »
Okay, points well taken, but are we now talking about actions as opposed to substances?

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« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2007, 09:13:34 PM »
I'm just wondering why "food" was included on the list--I totally understand alcohol.  Food is a necessity, and while I agree it can be the enemy, I thought, "one of these things is not like the others." I doubt anyone here is going to booty-bump an apple slice, unless it's laced with one of the other listed substances.  It just seemed a weird option given late discussions.

 ;D the booty bump thing gave me a smile guy.

Basically, think of the above list as "Pi" just whittled down. Try not to let every answer you would choose be thought of as something you necessarily used as a crutch or support. You just experienced it. In fact substitute the word "experience" for use, abuse and addiction. We don't all define the above items necessarily as good/bad. In other words, don't place a value on it.  :)
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« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2007, 09:17:06 PM »
In that case, yes to everything except heroin.

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« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2007, 09:18:52 PM »
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Re: Alcohol, Crystal, Ecstasy, Food, Pot, Sex and HIV
« Reply #28 on: February 27, 2007, 09:20:25 PM »
Done them all to excess and then some not listed.  I somewhat give credit to HIV for bringing me back to Earth... or maybe it was just hitting 30's that did it. 

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Re: Alcohol, Crystal, Ecstasy, Food, Pot, Sex and HIV
« Reply #29 on: February 27, 2007, 09:21:40 PM »
Far be it for the Queen to point her finger at anyone or their drug of choice. I have experimented with some such as cocaine, crack, acid, weed but has never been a pill popper. You can give me a half of Valium and I would be out for the count. Snorting coke was cool to a point but I was only in it for the drain. Crack is really what had did me in but I went into rehab for it, went to a few meetings and I chose to stay away from those who still smoked it. Hasn't had a problem with it since. I have yet to see a crack head who doesn't try to sell something to get high, not to say it isn't possible but just saying. I guess most would say I am addicted to weed and to be honest I would say yes I am, been smoking since I was 15. But now I need it to keep myself eating. And it does its job, so no complaints here.

I will say kudos on starting this thread and I like your point of view. Now if you really want to talk about something, how about those idiotic anti drug commercials...I especially like the one with the leeches....Not!!! And of course, weed is the downfall of man....Oh please....And I wonder why they never make any about the hazzards of meth use or heroine....Just saying..If you gonna make the damn commercials at least be fair and talk about all of them.
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Re: Alcohol, Crystal, Ecstasy, Food, Pot, Sex and HIV
« Reply #30 on: February 27, 2007, 09:21:53 PM »
Okay, points well taken, but are we now talking about actions as opposed to substances?

It's always about the REactions, babe. Anything can be therapeutic or toxic, depending on the dosage and intent behind the consumption.


And, of course, there's the whole co-dependancy thing to consider...

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« Reply #31 on: February 27, 2007, 10:04:03 PM »
Have tried weed, ecstasy, acid, speed and cocaine. Cocaine being my drug of choice(snorting) when I was partying years ago and of course alcohol. If drugs didn't have the ability to alter one's appearance, I probably would have developed some serious addictions, but thankfully(I guess), years ago that was a terrifying thought(Ironic, now that I'm on meds that could do just that).
 
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Re: Alcohol, Crystal, Ecstasy, Food, Pot, Sex and HIV
« Reply #32 on: February 27, 2007, 10:16:51 PM »
I'm somewhat hesitant to jump in here, because I just don't have experience with anything other
than marijuana (20 years ago) and alcohol (which I freely admit to imbibing a few times a month).
Oh, of course I eat (almost) every day too.  Not having experience with anything stronger, I'm not
 sure I have too much else to add here.  But, I think the point of this thread was to have a discussion,
not just to have a poll.

I will say that I am surprised at how many folks freely admit to using/abusing/being addicted to some
of these drugs.  Call me naive -- it wouldn't be the first time I've been called that.  I'm also surprised
at the number of folks here whose lives apparently were not "ruined" by drug use (if I interpret the
responses correctly).  Though I think I would have expected more responses like that.  Maybe I've
just got sucked in to all the heavy propaganda from the "just say no" crowd. 

Still, none of this is making me want to rush out and try some of these drugs to see what if any
possible beneficial effects they might have.  My basic approach would be to say that, as long as
what you are doing does not hurt you or anyone else, then go for it.  But even that seems too
"pollyana-ish" to me.  I mean, I choose not to eat pork, so aren't I harming hog farmers?  Every
choice we make has consequences of some kind to one extent or another.

This thread is making me think.   Still, I have to admit to a bit of shock as I read it -- think of the
scene from the movie "Hairspray" when Pia Zidora's character offers Ricki Lake "loco weed", and
Ricki Lake responds in horror:  "Drugs???????".   Maybe I need to go iron my hair...

At this point, I'm not even sure where I was going with my post, except to share what is going
on in my mind as I follow this thread.  And perhaps learn something I did not know before.
It is not my intent to come off as judgemental or high-and-mighty.   I think I'm  just surprised
that I am 42 years old, and still clueless as to how (relatively) prevalent drug use is.

Somehow I feel I might regret making this post.  But I might learn something from your
responses, too.  So that would be worth any "face-first fall" I might make with this.

Regards,

Henry
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     One is that God loves you and you're going to burn in hell.
     The other is that sex is the most awful, filthy thing on earth and you should save it for someone you love."
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« Reply #33 on: February 27, 2007, 10:20:54 PM »
I know you won't understand my words - how sad I feel reading these posts - the nonchalance, the breezy way you talk about things that are so harmful and destructive - yes, I get it, you don't want to be "judged"; but I sense you don't want to take any responsibility for harming others, either.

I only checked off one box. I have had difficulty with sex, having way too much, because I thought I had to, or thought it was the way gay men would like me, love me, be my friend, etc. I'm glad gay marriage is increasingly becoming an option for more gay men, only wish it happened when I was younger and more apt to find a partner.

I find the stabs at humor disheartening. For me, it's discernment, not judgment, but I know people feel attacked/judged when people bring up collective responsibility - I think particularly for gay men this is a foreign idea. I hope younger gay men, in succeeding generations, will have enough self esteem to stay away from these artificial highs - these things that lack wisdom.

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« Reply #34 on: February 27, 2007, 10:29:18 PM »
I'm somewhat hesitant to jump in here, because I just don't have experience with anything other
than marijuana (20 years ago) and alcohol (which I freely admit to imbibing a few times a month).
Oh, of course I eat (almost) every day too.  Not having experience with anything stronger, I'm not
 sure I have too much else to add here.  But, I think the point of this thread was to have a discussion,
not just to have a poll.

I will say that I am surprised at how many folks freely admit to using/abusing/being addicted to some
of these drugs.  Call me naive -- it wouldn't be the first time I've been called that.  I'm also surprised
at the number of folks here whose lives apparently were not "ruined" by drug use (if I interpret the
responses correctly).  Though I think I would have expected more responses like that.  Maybe I've
just got sucked in to all the heavy propaganda from the "just say no" crowd. 

Still, none of this is making me want to rush out and try some of these drugs to see what if any
possible beneficial effects they might have.  My basic approach would be to say that, as long as
what you are doing does not hurt you or anyone else, then go for it.  But even that seems too
"pollyana-ish" to me.  I mean, I choose not to eat pork, so aren't I harming hog farmers?  Every
choice we make has consequences of some kind to one extent or another.

This thread is making me think.   Still, I have to admit to a bit of shock as I read it -- think of the
scene from the movie "Hairspray" when Pia Zidora's character offers Ricki Lake "loco weed", and
Ricki Lake responds in horror:  "Drugs???????".   Maybe I need to go iron my hair...

At this point, I'm not even sure where I was going with my post, except to share what is going
on in my mind as I follow this thread.  And perhaps learn something I did not know before.
It is not my intent to come off as judgemental or high-and-mighty.   I think I'm  just surprised
that I am 42 years old, and still clueless as to how (relatively) prevalent drug use is.

Somehow I feel I might regret making this post.  But I might learn something from your
responses, too.  So that would be worth any "face-first fall" I might make with this.

Regards,

Henry

Henry-

First: there was no way to seperate having sampled the substances from being addicted to them. I did the majority of my exploration with drugs when I was a kid, ie: before the age of 23. Certainly drugs did not ruin my life.

But second: Don't feel bad about having resisted peer pressure and/or finding life passable enough to not seek an escape from time to time. I see no shame in that, either.

Brent
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« Reply #35 on: February 27, 2007, 10:33:50 PM »
Then if we are discussing these things as coping mechanisms, I would like to submit humor alongside food and drink.  I am not trying to be dismissive of anything, but I am not willing to resign myself to only discussing these topics with my head buried in my hands, weeping..."These!  These have I done unto myself!"  


And an edit for this:  I agree with Bucko the Depraved.  There is no shame at all in never having a go with any substances.  I fully support (nay- applaud) anyone who has managed to walk the narrow way like that.  And I personally find Henry's brand of Pollyanna to be quite attractive.   :-*
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« Reply #36 on: February 27, 2007, 10:35:47 PM »
I know you won't understand my words - how sad I feel reading these posts - the nonchalance, the breezy way you talk about things that are so harmful and destructive - yes, I get it, you don't want to be "judged"; but I sense you don't want to take any responsibility for harming others, either.

I only checked off one box. I have had difficulty with sex, having way too much, because I thought I had to, or thought it was the way gay men would like me, love me, be my friend, etc. I'm glad gay marriage is increasingly becoming an option for more gay men, only wish it happened when I was younger and more apt to find a partner.

I find the stabs at humor disheartening. For me, it's discernment, not judgment, but I know people feel attacked/judged when people bring up collective responsibility - I think particularly for gay men this is a foreign idea. I hope younger gay men, in succeeding generations, will have enough self esteem to stay away from these artificial highs - these things that lack wisdom.

Metta,
Rich

Personally, I laugh at the things I've done not because of any inherent humor in them... quite the contrary... I laugh at my past addictions because if I didn't, I would have to cry about them. 

People are generally a bit more receptive to learning when they're amused... and generally, the message that my life with drugs should send is, "Do it if you want, but you're gonna end up with a bunch of shit to deal with like this." 

I think there is a huge difference between sugar coating something, and between making it amusing.  One might say that the way a lot of us laugh about having HIV is encouraging others to get it.  It's not.

It's a coping mechanism.

All the years of sob-story after school specials and teary-eyed former addicts haven't deterred millions of people... so maybe someone will think twice before doing what I did after I say, "I've sucked dick for coke" and make it funny... instead of a contrite cliche.
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« Reply #37 on: February 27, 2007, 10:41:36 PM »
How surprising it would be to most that I have been smoking crack for over 15 years.
I have never had any problems because of it either financially, emotionally or health related.
Despite all indications in the media to the contrary, it is possible to do some of these drugs without becoming anymore "addicted" than a "casual" drinker would consider themselves to be.
I smoke maybe two or three times a year and use no other illegal substances.
What makes cocaine or marijuana so different from alcohol? Nothing more than an arbitrary line drawn by lawmakers.

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« Reply #38 on: February 27, 2007, 10:46:45 PM »
And the suprise post award for this thread goes to...
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« Reply #39 on: February 27, 2007, 10:56:24 PM »
i should add that I am a college educated, gainfully self-employed, tax-paying, never missed an election kind of citizen...... :o
The surprises just don't stop......
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« Reply #40 on: February 27, 2007, 11:02:06 PM »
i should add that I am a college educated, gainfully self-employed, tax-paying, never missed an election kind of citizen...... :o
The surprises just don't stop......

I missed the 2004 election due to drinking...

My friends and I were all slurry in front of polling places screaming, "Midday Cocktails for President!"

It was pretty awesome.
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« Reply #41 on: February 27, 2007, 11:15:24 PM »
What is supposed to be the difference between "used" and "abused"?  Isn't that a world apart?  For example, if I used something once or twice in my life, how are you differentiating from using once or twice a day?  If I purchase over-the-counter drugs every time I have a cold, does that constitute abuse?  I find it impossible to answer such a poll without knowing the results would be skewed.  This is a completely useless exercise.
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« Reply #42 on: February 27, 2007, 11:19:08 PM »
If I eat three meals a day, should I check that I "used" food?
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« Reply #43 on: February 27, 2007, 11:41:11 PM »
How surprising it would be to most that I have been smoking crack for over 15 years.
I have never had any problems because of it either financially, emotionally or health related.
IMHO You're fooling yourself... but I think you will find that out for yourself.
I think that posts like this are irresponsible be cause they allow other people to fool themselves into thinking that they will not become addicted. Sorry... that's just my opinion..

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« Reply #44 on: February 27, 2007, 11:51:26 PM »
No need to apologize. I have met few others who didn't find themselves in some serious trouble over crack cocaine.
That being said, I don't think ANY of these substances are inherently evil and I believe that demonization only contributes to the allure for many people.

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« Reply #45 on: February 27, 2007, 11:53:59 PM »
I believe that demonization only contributes to the allure for many people.

On this we agree  :)

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« Reply #46 on: February 28, 2007, 12:03:57 AM »
Now, if you want to talk about truly addictive things, lets talk about Las Vegas...... ;D

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« Reply #47 on: February 28, 2007, 12:14:07 AM »
Now, if you want to talk about truly addictive things, lets talk about Las Vegas...... ;D

I live like 15 miles from the Colonial Downs horse track.

Never let me in there with money.  I start sounding like a bookie within five minutes.

"Yeah, I'm gonna need a trifecta box on...."

"Ten dollars on Corruption to place."

I found out why the drinks were so cheap... after five of them... "I don't... I don't fuckin'... care... 40 to 1... whatever.  I don't even know how to fuckin' count that high... horsies are pretty."

I did win $40 off a $5 bet once... but Benj is well aware of the gambler's fallacy and feels the need to point out that he broke even that day.

I know better than to set foot in the OTB that's only a couple miles from my house.  No money for me...
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« Reply #48 on: February 28, 2007, 12:25:40 AM »
The first time I went to Vegas I took $600 to gamble and won $26,000....and the downward spiral went from there.

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« Reply #49 on: February 28, 2007, 12:29:44 AM »
Yikes..I feel so vanilla.
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« Reply #50 on: February 28, 2007, 12:50:47 AM »
Against my better judgment, I must post.  I've buried too many friends to let this just pass by.  Okay guys, maybe some percentage (5,10, 25,?) of you can do recreational drugs and be fine.  Great.  Have a nice life, sniff, snort, drink , or inject your way to happyville.  Truly, it is none of my business.  I'm no saint.  I've done some of the "casual" stuff along the way.  I was young once, and I made it through.  And yes, I know a lot of HIV guys, still partying, doing well.  Okay.  And I've had two neg guys drop dead on me this year from heart attacks.  So who is to say what's right?  I just don't know.

What I do think is that choices in life always have consequences.  And I don't think anyone should judge those choices too harshly.  You know what they say about glass houses.  Sometimes these arguments don't make sense to me.  Those who do certain things will, and those who do not won't.  And each side will justify their actions.  And we still will be HIV poz, living in that reality that we share, yet vastly different in lifestyle choices. 
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« Reply #51 on: February 28, 2007, 12:58:27 AM »
My choices have had consequences. PCP.night sweats, pain in my muscles and bones, inability to achieve REM sleep, cancer, HPV, constant diarrhea, assorted other fun things that equate to a manageably terminal illness.

My drugs? more diarrhea, headaches, nausea, anemia, probably the CML, muscle and joint pain, fluelike symptoms.

So if I smoke the occasional joint, or make a margarita now and again, forgive me if I do not feel shame.

Spend some time looking through the eyes of those we seem so eager to judge. Those living in pain, in misery, in poverty, in the encroaching winter of our WAY too young lives.


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« Reply #52 on: February 28, 2007, 06:02:06 AM »
It seems to me that we like to talk a lot about drugs, and pretty much say the same thing over and over.
There's the "wear it like a badge crowd" who seems to think that listing off their chemical dalliances is something to celebrate.   There's the morality crown who shakes their heads in dismay.  And there's the "done it and I'm over it" crowd.  I strikes me that the first crowd is a wee bit too vociferous in their defense of their choices, almost as if protesting too much.  It gets old. 

Yeah yeah yeah, it's all about moderation.  It's all about the ever so fine points of a definition of addiction.  It's all about my rights to put what I want into my body.  Most of the time I can agree intellectually with a lot of these points.  However, we seem to talk about and celebrate drug use so much that I am beginning to doubt the motivations of a "wear it like a badge crowd".  It's like a bunch of children caught stealing and then over-justifying their actions because they feel guilty about doing so.
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« Reply #53 on: February 28, 2007, 06:15:55 AM »
It seems to me that we like to talk a lot about drugs, and pretty much say the same thing over and over.
There's the "wear it like a badge crowd" who seems to think that listing off their chemical dalliances is something to celebrate.   There's the morality crown who shakes their heads in dismay.  And there's the "done it and I'm over it" crowd.  I strikes me that the first crowd is a wee bit too vociferous in their defense of their choices, almost as if protesting too much.  It gets old.

Yeah yeah yeah, it's all about moderation.  It's all about the ever so fine points of a definition of addiction.  It's all about my rights to put what I want into my body.  Most of the time I can agree intellectually with a lot of these points.  However, we seem to talk about and celebrate drug use so much that I am beginning to doubt the motivations of a "wear it like a badge crowd".  It's like a bunch of children caught stealing and then over-justifying their actions because they feel guilty about doing so.


So then it falls to you to say something new Puck. Please thrill us tired old addicts with your trenchant insight and astonishing acumen.

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« Reply #54 on: February 28, 2007, 06:35:24 AM »
Unless Quaaludes were a part of your repertoire...then you ain't nothin' but a pussy. A homo ain't a homo until he has survived a night of disco biscuits and debauchery. One night in 1978 I got so fucked up on Quaaludes I convinced my friends to take me to LAX, I flew to NYC with just the clothes on my back and $36. Talk about a party...I stayed there for two years.

I don't think it is possible to become a well rounded homo until you have gone through drug induced physical, emotional and moral bankruptcy...if you haven't, you ain't worth knowing.

Little Steve I will fit triple bypass into the conversation today. ;D

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« Reply #55 on: February 28, 2007, 06:44:19 AM »

So then it falls to you to say something new Puck. Please thrill us tired old addicts with your trenchant insight and astonishing acumen.

On an unrelated matter, I love your tats. You'll make a stunning lamp shade. :-*

MtD

Did I just miss something or did you fall out of character?  "us" is a first person pronoun.
I sincerely doubt that there is anything trenchant about my insight and that it's even possible to astonish those who feel that jade is the only appropriate shade for a pair of sunglasses.

But thanks.  I match most outfits.
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« Reply #56 on: February 28, 2007, 06:51:55 AM »
Did I just miss something or did you fall out of character?  "us" is a first person pronoun.
I sincerely doubt that there is anything trenchant about my insight and that it's even possible to astonish those who feel that jade is the only appropriate shade for a pair of sunglasses.

But thanks.  I match most outfits.


Oh you callow youth! I think it's obvious you've missed a fair bit, but we old forums types make allowances.

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« Reply #57 on: February 28, 2007, 07:15:21 AM »
Callow?   Youth?   I am neither young nor inexperienced.  Just tired of the broken record justifications that seem to come up in the discussion of drugs.    And being a long time forum member doesn't mean that the sun suddenly started to rise because of the superiority of your wisdom.  It means you have spent a whole lot of time in front of a computer screen.
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« Reply #58 on: February 28, 2007, 07:26:51 AM »
Callow?   Youth?   I am neither young nor inexperienced.  Just tired of the broken record justifications that seem to come up in the discussion of drugs.    And being a long time forum member doesn't mean that the sun suddenly started to rise because of the superiority of your wisdom.  It means you have spent a whole lot of time in front of a computer screen.

So then, Oh Great Knower of Things - eclipse Matty the Damned. Show him to be the pasty screen geek that you think he is with your substantial Life ExperienceTM.

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« Reply #59 on: February 28, 2007, 07:33:38 AM »


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« Reply #60 on: February 28, 2007, 07:53:02 AM »
Yes, Matty... Great patronizer cleverly desguised as affected wit, please regale me with exactly how your life experience is superior to anyone else's on this board.
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« Reply #61 on: February 28, 2007, 08:05:25 AM »
Yes, Matty... Great patronizer cleverly desguised as affected wit, please regale me with exactly how your life experience is superior to anyone else's on this board.

Sweetie, my life experience isn't superior, it's  just more interesting than yours.

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« Reply #62 on: February 28, 2007, 08:31:28 AM »
I'll keep that in mind when I order your drool cups and pampers.
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« Reply #63 on: February 28, 2007, 11:56:37 AM »
With the usual eye on everyone else who reads posts but perhaps doesn't post him or herself, there is, for me, a big difference between the use of something, the abuse of something (especially if that person recognises that he or she is abusing something) and addiction.  It would be great to pull out of this thread why someone has used or uses something, what the attraction to it was, why someone stopped at the point of simply using, why someone, hopefully for a limited time, felt that he or she abused something and/or developed an addiction and was then able to stop use.  Why?  Because there are always those out there right on the edge, perhaps friends have access to something, are trying it themselves.  Best, Win (Who admits an addiction to caffeine in coffee.)
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« Reply #64 on: February 28, 2007, 12:43:31 PM »
I'm just wondering why "food" was included on the list

Food was my first addiction as a child and it was definitely an addiction, using a substance to cope with stress, depression, whatever.  Many people binge eat when they are unhappy or anxious or depressed, etc.  In 4th grade I gained so much weight in a matter of weeks I had no pants that fit and was too embarrassed to ask my parents to buy me new clothes.  I wore my shirts out to hide the broken zipper on the one pair I could barely squeeze my fat ass in.

Food can be as deadly as heavy drinking or drug use but it doesn't kill one in the same way.  Obesity is a big problem in the USA and many, but not all, people who binge eat are in emotional distress.  Overeating is also a psychological vicious circle because one feels self-conscious and ashamed about being overweight but eating is the only coping mechanism available.

In 9th grade I started taking a lot of LSD and lost a lot of weight in the same period.   I substituted acid for food.  When I became ill with chronic hep B in 2001 I began to use food once again as a way of coping with the depression engendered by my incapacitated state.   I'm still trying to lose weight gained in that time.

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« Reply #65 on: February 28, 2007, 01:10:43 PM »
Like Boo said, I used to binge eat when I was young little sissy.  I know about the little tricks to try to disguise the weight gain.  I was so embarassed about my belly that I used to wear a coat all day- every day, and almost the whole school year through to try to mask it.  I mean serious binge eating here, folks.  There was a store at the top of my street.  The bus would drop us off there in the afternoon.  If I'd gotten picked on particularly harshly that day, it was not uncommon for me to finish off an entire large bag of Dorito's from the top of the street to home.  That's about an 11 or 12 house distance.  There might even be a candy bar tucked in the pocket for later after dinner.  The weight gain made me feel even worse about myself, so I'd eat even more to cope with that.

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« Reply #66 on: February 28, 2007, 01:42:41 PM »
This is a completely useless exercise.

Is it? Doesn't that really depend on what the point of the thread is?  ;)

I think it is important now that we ask the relevant questions about how and why we chose/choose to use, or abuse these things. What brought us to these temptations. What tipped the scale for some of us toward abuse and addiction as opposed to just casual use? What kept or keeps others from crossing the line? How do you define when you have or will have "gone over the edge"?

We can certainly talk endlessly about what we have done or even what we have experienced. But I have a good idea that it is more important to ask ourselves why.

For me, the whole issue has always been about why. Why did I choose to inhale that first joint? Why did I run next door to the Dairy Queen every couple of hours when I was a kid for a pizza burger or a shake? Why did I decide after years of telling myself that I would never, ever stick a needle in my arm come to choose this method as my preferred way of an altered state? Especially having seen the consequences in many others?

I think all too often we get so caught up defending our own position that we overlook the relevance of what the other person has asked or is asking. In my own case, I need to better understand the choices that I've made in my life if I am going to grow. Or at least get past what has stymied me.  Many of the decisions that I've made have been spontaneous. But they did involve my making a choice.

Ask yourself, why did I...? If you want to answer here, I'm thrilled of course since your answer might help me to answer a similar question for myself. But, maybe just by asking yourself the question you'll come to reveal something that you overlooked about yourself and you'll find that maybe you no longer care to interact with that substance in the same way.  :)

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« Reply #67 on: February 28, 2007, 02:37:12 PM »
Hmmm, motovations, huh?

OK, I'll bite.

My first and foremost reason for exploring drugs was a desire to escape the abuse of my sadistic mother. It all seemed (and was) easier to cope with after a few beers or joints.

The second was boredom. Growing up in the 70s cultural wasteland of nothingness there was little else to do. And before anyone suggests cracking a book, I did that. I sailed through High School with high honors, despite my drug use.

Auntie Doxie hit brilliantly on the third reason. Doing drugs was a rite of passage when I moved out on my own into the city (Boston, a vastly different place then from now) in 1978 at the age of 18. I didn't know anyone who did not do drugs. BTW- this was different from peer pressure. I was never pressured into experimenting with drugs, and I certainly never chose to associate exclusively with the drug-addled. It simply was, in a way anyone who was not there would find incomprehensible today.

Fourth: I enjoyed the sensations and experiences I had when indulging in drugs.

Why did I stop? Two reasons come to mind.

I had a flashback while on MDMA of a near-death experience I'd had (unrelated to drugs). It freaked me the fuck right out.

My very best friend during my early 20s sold drugs to pay for his addiction to speed. He was found murdered in his apartment on Beacon Hill. I had already begun distancing myself from him, but it was a horrific blow.

I also found that reaching for a stable career and drug use were somewhat incompatable. As I required money in order to survive, I made the decision that survival trumped fun and gave it a rest.

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« Reply #68 on: February 28, 2007, 03:01:41 PM »
It seems to me that we like to talk a lot about ______________, and pretty much say the same thing over and over.

Isn't the above sentence true with many if not most other topics?  We humans are doomed to repeat, and argue about, the same views, values, beliefs, opinions, whatever that we have held for many years.  It's part of the human condition.   

I think this thread has been interesting despite the, uh, animosity displayed in some posts.  Luckily I, for once, am not part of the problem.   In fact, it seems almost unilateral...

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« Reply #69 on: February 28, 2007, 03:30:37 PM »
say no to drugs and alcohol and even alot of foood. Just look at courtney love


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« Reply #70 on: February 28, 2007, 04:22:05 PM »
God, I wanna be just like her.

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« Reply #71 on: February 28, 2007, 04:27:16 PM »
HA!  That top pic of Coutney is THE BEST EV-AH!  I'll have what she had, thanks.

Sidenote:  Hope, how many times a day do you change your avatar?  Just curious.  It's almost never the same for any length of time.  Just curious.

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I must REALLY have an addictive personality.  The very title of this thread keeps beckoning me back again and again. 
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« Reply #72 on: February 28, 2007, 04:31:54 PM »
HA!  That top pic of Coutney is THE BEST EV-AH!  I'll have what she had, thanks.

Sidenote:  Hope, how many times a day do you change your avatar?  Just curious.  It's almost never the same for any length of time.  Just curious.

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I must REALLY have an addictive personality.  The very title of this thread keeps beckoning me back again and again. 

i try to do it once a day but sometimes I get to bored at work I start browsing through people's blog's and websites and if I catch a striking picture I make it my avatar. I think I may have ADHD. I may have to talk to my therapist about this tonight.
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« Reply #73 on: February 28, 2007, 04:35:07 PM »
I must REALLY have an addictive personality.  The very title of this thread keeps beckoning me back again and again. 

I keep hoping that some of the things mentioned in the title will mysteriously appear if I click on it.

Needless to say... I've been clicking on it so much, my mouse is worn out.
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« Reply #74 on: February 28, 2007, 04:48:17 PM »
I keep hoping that some of the things mentioned in the title will mysteriously appear if I click on it.

Needless to say... I've been clicking on it so much, my mouse is worn out.

Oh, Benj!  I knew you would understand!  It's like when you are really hungry late at night, but the fridge is totally bare.  How you keep going back and opening the door, halfway convincing yourself that you have somehow managed to overlook a burger or some seasoned tater tots on every previous attempt.
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« Reply #75 on: February 28, 2007, 04:52:16 PM »
Oh, Benj!  I knew you would understand!  It's like when you are really hungry late at night, but the fridge is totally bare.  How you keep going back and opening the door, halfway convincing yourself that you have somehow managed to overlook a burger or some seasoned tater tots on every previous attempt.

Or like when you're combing the same area of the carpet over and over looking for coke rocks.

Not like I've been there or anything.   ::)

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« Reply #76 on: February 28, 2007, 04:54:22 PM »
Oh, Benj!  I knew you would understand!  It's like when you are really hungry late at night, but the fridge is totally bare.  How you keep going back and opening the door, halfway convincing yourself that you have somehow managed to overlook a burger or some seasoned tater tots on every previous attempt.

Or if you're Jeffrey Dahmer...someone's kidney?

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« Reply #77 on: February 28, 2007, 04:56:27 PM »
Or like when you're combing the same area of the carpet over and over looking for coke rocks.

Not like I've been there or anything.   ::)

Dignity!

Wanna cheap way for a full evening of fun?  Go get some cat litter and spill it on the floor- then call over some crackheads you might know.  Especially any that may have been particularly evil to you.  Once they arrive, casually make mention how you had about $60-80 worth of rock crumble in your hands and fall to the floor....how somewhere amid all that litter is some prime rock that may never be found.

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« Reply #78 on: February 28, 2007, 04:58:02 PM »
Or if you're Jeffrey Dahmer...someone's kidney?

Oh my God!  Thanks for reminding me!
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« Reply #79 on: February 28, 2007, 05:00:20 PM »
Thunder you are fierce. LOL, the rocks in the kitty litter is funny and so true.
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« Reply #80 on: February 28, 2007, 05:01:55 PM »
Oh my God!  Thanks for reminding me!


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« Reply #81 on: February 28, 2007, 05:10:54 PM »
Sorry, Marc, but I don't understand what the point of this thread is.  To combine "use" with "abuse" and "have an addiction to" in one investigatory question does not show or prove anything, because, as I tried to point out above, to "use" and "have an addiction to" are simply not the same thing, nor are they remotely related.    

Definitions are vital to what you are trying to do, I believe, but I don't believe you've provided them.  Either ask who has "used," or ask who has "abused," and define what you mean by "abuse." You can't combine them in one poll.  To provide yet another example to the ones I listed above:  If I've "used" Ecstasy once, is that "abuse," and if it isn't, how do I make the differentation in the way you set up the poll?

Furthermore, "have an addiction to" means different things to different people.  Just take sex:  Some people think if they have sex seven times a week with seven different people, they are "addicted."  But others would vehemently deny that there is even any such thing as sex "addiction."  

And if you're interested in learning "how or why we choose to use or abuse,"  answering your poll will not provide any answers.
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« Reply #82 on: February 28, 2007, 05:14:22 PM »
Oh, wow.  He's expanded the poll choices.


And I still have more than those listed.


Editied to say:  I'd toss in Viagra and the rest of that pill group into the mix if it were my poll.

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« Reply #83 on: February 28, 2007, 05:14:28 PM »
I think with drugs it's all about knowing your limits.  I live with someone who is an ex serious heroin addict and i've seen the daily battle he faces so it's something I wouldn't go near.  I've seen another mate have a very bad almost life threatening panic attack after a speed bender so I haven't touched it since.  Saying all this some of the best nights of my life have been on various drugs but I always try to stick to what I know I can handle!  Borrowing a quote from Bill Hicks:

ďIíve had great times on drugs. Never killed anyone, never hurt anyone, never raped anyone, never lost a home, job, wife, or kids, laughed my ass off, and went about my day. SorryĒ.

While we are on the subject of drugs has anyone has magic mushrooms recently?  They've made them pretty hard to get hold of over here we used to have a 24-hour 'shroom service' it was fantastic!

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« Reply #84 on: February 28, 2007, 05:23:30 PM »
i am addicted to this
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« Reply #85 on: February 28, 2007, 06:11:20 PM »
Hope, does that make you a McConagay addict, a pec addict, a hairless-body addict, or a sex addict?  Or all of the above?
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« Reply #86 on: February 28, 2007, 06:21:01 PM »

  Borrowing a quote from Bill Hicks:

?I?ve had great times on drugs. Never killed anyone, never hurt anyone, never raped anyone, never lost a home, job, wife, or kids, laughed my ass off, and went about my day. Sorry?.


Love me some Bill Hicks. And what did him in? Smoking related cancer. A legal drug. I agree with almost all of his viewpoints, and find him as funny and relevant today as he was 15 years ago.

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« Reply #87 on: February 28, 2007, 06:23:43 PM »
Marc has tried twice.  I have tried.  Brent nailed it in his post.  I agree that each poster would need to define what he or she means by 'use' or 'abuse' or 'addicted to.'  Win
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« Reply #88 on: February 28, 2007, 06:28:06 PM »
...And if you're interested in learning "how or why we choose to use or abuse," answering your poll will not provide any answers.

I've never said that I was attempting to provide anything from the answers in the poll. Obviously with the technology in place here on aidsmeds.com it is all but unlikely that a truly scientific poll can be administered. It's mostly just a means to an end. That end being my primary focus of the thread which was threefold;

  • First, to enable me to contribute to the discussion of "behavioral" issues related to substances and acts that have the potential to be abused.
  • Second, to incorporate more people into some general discourse about the topic in such a way that allows each individual to further examine his or her own behaviors and actions.
  • And third, to better understand participants own feelings towards drug use and abuse.

There are many things that I am making assumptions about regarding this issue not the least of which is that anyone participating in the discussion is HIV positive for example. As you noted we each define use, abuse and addiction according to our own standards at any given time and according to whom we are attaching those words. I believe that the more that we actually do discuss it, the more we have the potential to stop placing values on these words and can find a way to arrest abuse and addiction. What we've done so far does not seem to have worked.

I'd have to say to the end of the above, the poll is doing what it is supposed to be doing. Encouraging participation in the thread to gain more insight about behaviors related to abuse and addiction issues.

...Editied to say:  I'd toss in Viagra and the rest of that pill group into the mix if it were my poll.Good times.  Good times.

Prescription drug.  ;)

And how come not one person yet has mentioned my ommision of cigarettes? ;)

P.S. I've been off 'em for a month now. When do I start getting my "congratulations" and "way-to-goes"? :P
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« Reply #89 on: February 28, 2007, 06:32:50 PM »
Ah, I see.  Among the newer additions.  My bad.
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« Reply #90 on: February 28, 2007, 06:33:05 PM »
None of the above for me.

I have never drank a can of beer, smoked a cigarette, touched an illegal drug or abused prescription medications. I don't have food issues. As far as sex, yes I'm gay I've had a lot of sex in the past but it's never been a problem, and no I didn't get HIV from being "promiscuous".

I've never been one of the cool kids.
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« Reply #91 on: February 28, 2007, 06:39:28 PM »
I have never drank a can of beer, smoked a cigarette, touched an illegal drug or abused prescription medications.

You are missing out!  I hope you don't mind me asking but how did you actually get HIV then?
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« Reply #92 on: February 28, 2007, 06:43:44 PM »
Short answer is I got it from getting into a long term relationship (my current one), letting my guard down and not using a condom once. Just like pregnancy it only takes once. I never had a slip up with casual sex.

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« Reply #93 on: February 28, 2007, 06:58:39 PM »
Short answer is I got it from getting into a long term relationship (my current one), letting my guard down and not using a condom once. Just like pregnancy it only takes once. I never had a slip up with casual sex.

I sure as heck hope that you are out there telling your story. Especially to todays youth!   :'(
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« Reply #94 on: February 28, 2007, 11:57:58 PM »
God when I was younger the drug handbook A - X were my favs lol.
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« Reply #95 on: March 01, 2007, 11:33:21 PM »
Sober sex is great sex and I wish I knew that in my 20's. Now I know your body is a temple. Give it good things and it will treat you right

Edited: Give it good things and it will treat you right, generally speaking
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« Reply #96 on: March 02, 2007, 10:43:01 PM »
never had a problem with drugs...just policemen
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« Reply #97 on: March 02, 2007, 10:54:30 PM »
A NEW STUDY in the journal Neurology is being hailed as unassailable proof that marijuana is a valuable medicine

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2007/03/01/marijuana_as_wonder_drug/?p1=email_to_a_friend

The study, from the University of California at San Francisco, found smoked marijuana to be effective at relieving the extreme pain of a debilitating condition known as peripheral neuropathy. It was a study of HIV patients, but a similar type of pain caused by damage to nerves afflicts people with many other illnesses including diabetes and multiple sclerosis. Neuropathic pain is notoriously resistant to treatment with conventional pain drugs. Even powerful and addictive narcotics like morphine and OxyContin often provide little relief. This study leaves no doubt that marijuana can safely ease this type of pain.
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« Reply #98 on: March 03, 2007, 01:18:59 AM »
never had a problem with drugs...just policemen

when peolple ask me if I learned my lesson (I sold 1000 hits of LSD and got a 5 year federal prison sentence) I proudly proclaim:

YES! I have indeed learned my lesson!

I will never sell my drugs to a cop again!
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« Reply #99 on: March 04, 2007, 10:56:03 AM »
This poll is slightly misleading and would give innacurate results "I have used, abused or have an addiction to the following... "....

For example, I am sure that every single person have used "food" so I don't know why its even on the list.

Or maybe you have tried/used alcohol or cocaine once but this does not necessarily amount to abuse, so not sure what it tries to achieve.

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« Reply #100 on: March 04, 2007, 11:19:12 AM »
I think abuse is recognizable by the way it destroys a person's ability to function, whereas use is just use, i.e., you use, but you can still function normally? Has this been said in this thread already? If yes, sorry. with shame I must admit I didn't read every single response to the original post

Nowadays I usually view myself as anti-alcohol but those of you who met me in January and a few days ago saw that I did drink, so perhaps I need to soften my views on alcohol because I did have a good time  :D
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« Reply #101 on: March 04, 2007, 12:47:47 PM »
I'm still suprised that prescription drugs and over the counter stuff is so low on the list of substance abuse.......???   Hoarding pills has been so much fun!!!
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« Reply #102 on: March 04, 2007, 12:56:12 PM »
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nationworld/ats-ap_top16feb28,0,2884951.story?track=mostviewedlink

read this

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Abuse of prescription drugs is about to exceed the use of illicit street narcotics worldwide, and the shift has spawned a lethal new trade in counterfeit painkillers, sedatives and other medicines potent enough to kill, a global watchdog warned Wednesday.

Prescription drug abuse already has outstripped traditional illegal drugs such as heroin, cocaine and Ecstasy in parts of Europe, Africa and South Asia, the U.N.-affiliated International Narcotics Control Board said in its annual report for 2006.

In the United States alone, the abuse of painkillers, stimulants, tranquilizers and other prescription medications has gone beyond "practically all illicit drugs with the exception of cannabis," with users increasingly turning to them first, the Vienna-based group said.
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« Reply #103 on: March 04, 2007, 01:10:33 PM »
Philly, you know, I saw that article. 
Isn't it about time for all those closet users/abusers of prescription drugs to throw wide the doors?  Just saying. 
And, Philly, you saw the drugs that our friend Jim had before he died.  What you didnt see were all the pills we flushed down the toilet.  This guy may have been over prescribed .....way over.  I have talked to OTHER people who know about his doctor and they all have horror stories to tell about his fast and loose ways with the prescription pad.
 But you know, part of me was ...like.... hey wait..... those are great painkillers!!! And you just flushed hundreds of dollars worth.
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« Reply #104 on: March 04, 2007, 01:16:11 PM »
Prescription drug abusers are the worst.

Mostly because they call my job at all hours trying to get their doctors (or any random doctor) to prescribe them something.

This one doc finally called something in for this one extremely annoying woman... and then he called me back and said, "Well... I've called her in a prescription for painkillers.  If she calls you back, tell her it's at the pharmacy.  Don't tell her it's 1000 mg of ibuprofen."

Sometimes I love doctors.
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« Reply #105 on: March 04, 2007, 01:26:10 PM »
What you didnt see were all the pills we flushed down the toilet. 

Yes, and I'm still rather mad at you and Kurt about that.  At least you left me with some klonopin.

What exactly was in the flush department, pray tell?  Morphine?
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« Reply #106 on: March 04, 2007, 01:31:11 PM »
Philly, you know, I saw that article. 
Isn't it about time for all those closet users/abusers of prescription drugs to throw wide the doors?  Just saying. 
And, Philly, you saw the drugs that our friend Jim had before he died.  What you didnt see were all the pills we flushed down the toilet.  This guy may have been over prescribed .....way over.  I have talked to OTHER people who know about his doctor and they all have horror stories to tell about his fast and loose ways with the prescription pad.
 But you know, part of me was ...like.... hey wait..... those are great painkillers!!! And you just flushed hundreds of dollars worth.

And who is this doctor?? 
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« Reply #107 on: March 04, 2007, 01:33:00 PM »
And who is this doctor?? 

I can't tell you his name, I'm sorry to say... I would be fired from my job...

But he's a really cool guy... for he taunts the drug seekers.
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« Reply #108 on: March 04, 2007, 04:32:13 PM »
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« Reply #109 on: March 05, 2007, 12:29:54 PM »
goddamit cliff. 

why did you edit this thing?  I read it and now it's gone.  Whoseever going to believe me?

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« Reply #110 on: March 06, 2007, 09:21:49 PM »
Cliff, are you o.k. ?
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