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Offline babyming

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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #50 on: March 17, 2007, 12:01:47 AM »
What are the window periods in European countries, in Canada, and Australia?

Offline babyming

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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #51 on: March 18, 2007, 11:52:15 PM »
Please guys....just wondering what the window periods are in other countries such as canada, europe...etc.....is it the same as the US?

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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #52 on: March 19, 2007, 05:37:36 AM »
Enough is enough. Please move on.

Offline babyming

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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #53 on: March 26, 2007, 03:17:10 PM »
Dr. Bob still encourages people with significant exposures to test out to 6 months....do you guys also recommend the same? It just doesn't really make sense for only people with significant exposures to test out to 6 months.....it should be the same for everyone....don't you think?

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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #54 on: March 26, 2007, 03:21:50 PM »
Where did you read that Dr. Bob suggests people to test out to six months? The CDC doesn't even suggest to test to out to six months under normal circumstances. You are HIV negative and it's time for you to move on.

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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #55 on: March 26, 2007, 04:50:53 PM »
Baby, you need to stop this self-indulgent drama! No kidding.

You weren't at risk to begin with. If you have a need to perpetuate this drama by going to other sites and then attempting to pit us against them kind of stuff, we're not interested in participating in that kind of stuff.

You've gotten many informed responses here. We've told you the real deal. That doesn't seem to have made a dent with you.

You're beginning to convince me that you need to see a therapist or other such professional to discuss what's going on with you about this unwarranted concern, one on your part that has absolutely no basis in HIV science. Really.
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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #56 on: March 26, 2007, 05:30:09 PM »
Rapid Rod, you can read it for yourself...this was yesterday's posting

http://www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/SafeSex/Current/Q183075.html

This is what Dr. Bob wrote:

1. The guidelines suggest a six-month test following an HIV exposure significant enough to warrant PEP before a definitive HIV-negative diagnosis can be confirmed.

It just seems confusing to me....if a person took a risk (let's not focus on my specific situation)...they took a risk. It shouldn't be split between significant exposure, low risk exposure, medium risk...etc......so why does this 6 month rule still apply? Dr. Bob says 3 months for all exposures exposures...but for someone known to be HIV+, its 6 months....this doesn't make sense.....

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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #57 on: March 26, 2007, 05:36:13 PM »
Why don't you ask HIM why HE posts that.  We aren't mind readers you know. 

I strongly urge you to get on with your life.  This constant worrying and the anxiety are not good for your mental well being.  It may be a good idea for you to seek some professional help with that.
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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #58 on: March 26, 2007, 05:39:23 PM »
Why didn't you explain the whole answer? The response from Dr. Bob is the same as we tell everyone here. Once you take the last dose of PEP you wait 13 weeks to get your conclusive results. If the person would not have taken PEP then it would have been conclusive at the first set of 13 weeks. If you would have noticed also, the person had a second exposure.

Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.

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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #59 on: March 26, 2007, 05:49:38 PM »
Rod....I am not asking about my specific situation....just concered about conflicting information...but if you actually read it clearly...it says:

The guidelines suggest a six-month test following an HIV exposure significant enough to warrant PEP before a definitive HIV-negative diagnosis can be confirmed.

This doesn't mean just taking PEP....he is saying the level of risk involved.....don't you think?

In addition, all of his other posts show that if you had sex with a confirmed HIV positive person...you need to test out to 6 months regardless of PEP. He says:

Now comes the confusing part. If a person was significantly exposed to a known HIV-infected person, the estimated statistical risks change and a second repeat test "might" be considered at six months or more from the exposure depending on the circumstances. And yes, there are very rare reports of seroconversion 6-12 months after a known exposure. The exact details of these very rare historical cases are a bit sketchy, but the reports do indeed exist in the medical literature

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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #60 on: March 26, 2007, 05:53:11 PM »
The guideline is 13 weeks conclusive. If you take PEP, it's 13 weeks after the final dose of the PEP medication. Yes, you are on the verge of getting a TO. You've had your risk assessment, now it's time for you to move on.

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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #61 on: March 26, 2007, 05:57:55 PM »
Dear Sir,
If you are in sincere doubt of the advice(and admonishments) given here, then I encourage you to make an appointment with an HIV clinic, or Doctor, and pose your questions at that appointment.
Please print out this entire thread, and take it with you. You will not be able to refute facts, combined with a physician opinion.
It seems nothing short of that will suffice for your curiosity.
Please allow us to get to other people who may have a real need, in the stead of arguing semantics with a person who only desires to argue.
I beg of you to please stop now.
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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #62 on: March 26, 2007, 06:07:27 PM »
Dear Sir,
If you are in sincere doubt of the advice(and admonishments) given here, then I encourage you to make an appointment with an HIV clinic, or Doctor, and pose your questions at that appointment.
Please print out this entire thread, and take it with you. You will not be able to refute facts, combined with a physician opinion.
It seems nothing short of that will suffice for your curiosity.
Please allow us to get to other people who may have a real need, in the stead of arguing semantics with a person who only desires to argue.
I beg of you to please stop now.


Thank You !!
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Offline babyming

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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #63 on: March 27, 2007, 11:00:17 PM »
Just curious...what do you guys recommend for needle accident? If longer than 3 months...why?


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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #64 on: March 27, 2007, 11:05:08 PM »
Just curious...what do you guys recommend for needle accident? If longer than 3 months...why?


We recommend mental health evaluation.

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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #65 on: March 28, 2007, 07:19:54 AM »
baby,

There are certain protocol that must be observed in the case of an occupational needle stick. There is a very good outline of this protocol in the CSI forum and you can read it by clicking on the following link:

http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=9056.0

and I believe there's more in this thread:

http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=9383.0

None of this has anything to do directly with your situation. You are on you FINAL time out warning.

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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #66 on: March 29, 2007, 02:43:05 AM »
Why should I get a timeout when I am just asking a simple question?

Does HIV coinfection with gonnohrea or chlamydia prevent the development of HIV antibodies?




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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #67 on: March 29, 2007, 06:12:06 AM »
Ming,

You are in danger of a time out because you have conclusively tested hiv negative after a no-risk incident. All these additional questions are just a way for you to keep your worry alive.

The answer to your second question is NO.

Make sure you use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse and you will not have to worry about all these additional things. You are hiv negative. Use condoms and you will remain hiv negative.

I'm giving you that time out. The purpose of your time out is to encourage you to seek out the assistance of a mental health care professional to enable you to get past your sexual anxieties and move on with your life.

Do not create a new account to get around your time out. If you do, I will know and you will be permanently banned.

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Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

Offline babyming

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Oraquick Advanced-Finger prick vs oral fluid
« Reply #68 on: April 26, 2007, 10:01:42 PM »
Which one is more accurate? I know that the finger prick was fda approved in 2002, and the oral fluid in 2004. Does that make the 2004 test more accurate and more sensitive?

In addition, is there a possibility that clinics may make errors when reading the test result, such as an extremely faint positive line?

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Re: Oraquick Advanced-Finger prick vs oral fluid
« Reply #69 on: April 26, 2007, 10:12:15 PM »
Why have you started a new thread when you already have another thread you can ask your questions in?

After 25 posts you should know how things work here.

MtD

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Re: Oraquick Advanced-Finger prick vs oral fluid
« Reply #70 on: April 27, 2007, 12:34:52 AM »
Sorry...I forgot

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Re: Oraquick Advanced-Finger prick vs oral fluid
« Reply #71 on: April 27, 2007, 06:05:59 AM »
ming,

I've merged your new thread into your original thread - where you should post all your additional thoughts or questions. It helps us to help you when you keep all your additional thoughts or questions in one thread.

If you need help finding your thread when you come here, click on the "Show own posts" link under your name in the left-hand column of any forum page.

Please also read through the Welcome Thread so you can familiarize yourself with our Forum Posting Guidelines. Thank you for your cooperation.

Are you sure you "forgot", or did you just hope we'd forget about your time out?

Most clinics err on the side of caution when they see a faint positive line. They do more testing in this case.

You are conclusively hiv negative after a NO RISK incident.

There's nothing more we can do for you here. If I have to give you another time out, it will be for two months this time.

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Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

Offline babyming

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Re: Oraquick Advanced-Finger prick vs oral fluid
« Reply #72 on: April 28, 2007, 09:06:49 AM »
I am just wondering..this is just general information for everyone...but does Herpes delay antibody production? What if you were infected with herpes and hiv at the same time?

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Re: Oraquick Advanced-Finger prick vs oral fluid
« Reply #73 on: April 28, 2007, 09:16:41 AM »
Have you bothered to read the transmission and testing lessons. Please do.

Offline babyming

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Re: Oraquick Advanced-Finger prick vs oral fluid
« Reply #74 on: April 28, 2007, 04:27:09 PM »
Rod and Ann, I read it, but it doesn't answer my question...I am not asking this for my specific incident...i just want to know in general, does having herpes delay antibody production. Thank you...you are the best.

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Re: Oraquick Advanced-Finger prick vs oral fluid
« Reply #75 on: April 29, 2007, 03:23:51 AM »
Maybe I put myself at risk of being banned here.  But I have to ask the question - is it not time this guy is banned.  He is a 'head-job' not HIV.  He needs help from a shrink.  You guys been great, it's about time he got the message.

James

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Re: Oraquick Advanced-Finger prick vs oral fluid
« Reply #76 on: April 29, 2007, 04:08:59 AM »
James are you HIV positive? If not please start your on thread and keep all of your questions and concerns in your own thread.

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Re: Oraquick Advanced-Finger prick vs oral fluid
« Reply #77 on: June 20, 2007, 03:48:17 AM »
This was Dr. Bob's recent post.....looks like CDC still goes with 6 months...and Dr Bob confirms it. Read it for yourself.

http://www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/SafeSex/Current/Q184967.html

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Re: Oraquick Advanced-Finger prick vs oral fluid
« Reply #78 on: June 20, 2007, 04:17:54 AM »
Baby,

Dr Bob is a well-know CYA merchant (cover your ass). There is no reason why the window period should be any different if you know your partner to be hiv positive or not. It's ludicrous. The CDC is funded by an ultra-conservative government that would like to outlaw sex outside a traditional heterosexual marriage - they certainly don't condone hiv positive people having sex lives - and they use scare tactics where they cannot legislate.

The window period is three months, period.

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Re: Oraquick Advanced-Finger prick vs oral fluid
« Reply #79 on: June 20, 2007, 06:03:07 AM »
babyming, go to the CDC 2006 guidelines and read it for yourself. That is the same advice that this forum gives. Dr. Bob was answering a question to a person whos partner is positive and has been positive for a while. Don't try to throw this out of context. Annual HIV testing in serocouples is a normal recommendation. 

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Re: Oraquick Advanced-Finger prick vs oral fluid
« Reply #80 on: August 05, 2007, 11:04:36 PM »
Rod, Ann, Andy...you guys seem to always say the same thing for low risk activities...."no document cases" bla bla bla....no documented cases doesn't mean that it does not happen...it just means that it wasn't documented...plain and simple...people have gotten hiv from receiving oral sex, fingering...etc....it's just that when people turn positive...they automatically assume it was the intercourse part that infected them...by the way...CDC doesn't document any new cases....they used to document cases in the early 90's when they were still learning about the disease...now they don't give a shit about documenting cases.

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Re: Oraquick Advanced-Finger prick vs oral fluid
« Reply #81 on: August 05, 2007, 11:11:26 PM »
And also....are you going to tell me that out of the 40,000,000 cases of HIV...no one got if from receiving oral sex? Fingering?

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Re: Oraquick Advanced-Finger prick vs oral fluid
« Reply #82 on: August 05, 2007, 11:29:52 PM »
And also....are you going to tell me that out of the 40,000,000 cases of HIV...no one got if from receiving oral sex? Fingering?

Yes, that's what we're going to tell you.
« Last Edit: August 05, 2007, 11:33:40 PM by thunter34 »
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Re: Oraquick Advanced-Finger prick vs oral fluid
« Reply #83 on: August 06, 2007, 03:47:25 AM »
ming,

This is where the serodiscordant studies come in. If what you claim were true, then at least one of the seronegative partners in the couples who used condoms, consistently and correctly, would have ended hiv positive. But NOT ONE did. We're talking three differnt studies, involving thousands of couples and running for years.

Use condoms consistently and correctly yourself, for anal or vaginal intercourse, and you too will remain hiv negative. It really is that simple!

Ann
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HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Re: Oraquick Advanced-Finger prick vs oral fluid
« Reply #84 on: August 12, 2007, 06:28:30 PM »
guys...i did something stupid again...tell me if I should get tested....I received oral sex from a friend who says that he was tested 4 weeks ago and was negative...I do believe him....however...he might have had encounters since that test...anyways...here is what happened:

Received oral sex
Licked the shaft of his penis and the head but never stuck his penis in my mouth...stopped after a tasted a bit of precum (about 10 seconds)
mutual masturbation

Now I am a wreck again...should I be worried? Should i get tested? Rapid Rod, Ann, Andy...please help!!!!

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Re: Oraquick Advanced-Finger prick vs oral fluid
« Reply #85 on: August 12, 2007, 06:37:00 PM »
No worry or concern.

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Re: Oraquick Advanced-Finger prick vs oral fluid
« Reply #86 on: August 12, 2007, 06:40:40 PM »
does that mean I don't need to be tested?

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Re: Oraquick Advanced-Finger prick vs oral fluid
« Reply #87 on: August 12, 2007, 07:03:24 PM »
You don't need to test.

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Re: Oraquick Advanced-Finger prick vs oral fluid
« Reply #88 on: August 12, 2007, 07:58:41 PM »
Ming, you did do something stupid again. Well, maybe stupid isn't the right word for it.

You already well know from what you have been told over and over again that getting a blowjob is not a risk for HIV transmission. Yet you have castigated us for saying that to you and carried on at some rude length about how we should be paying respect to unidentified undocumented cases.

Now that you got your dick sucked again you're in a panic and wanting reassurance. We can't tell you anything differently than you have already heard from us. You can believe it or not, whichever you choose. There's no need for testing. Getting a blowjob is not a risk for HIV transmission.

Deal with that as you choose. You've gotten a lot of attention here. Going through another one of your panicky rounds doesn't make any sense to me. So I'll just say that you're awfully close to getting a time out here.

Andy Velez

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Re: Oraquick Advanced-Finger prick vs oral fluid
« Reply #89 on: August 13, 2007, 06:38:05 PM »
Andy...but I also licked his shaft and around his head...tasted a bit of precum and that was when I stopped...it was for about 10 seconds...should I be worried...test? I am not worried about the receiving oral sex part....but this part scares me.

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« Reply #90 on: August 13, 2007, 06:49:50 PM »
You were never at risk and you don't need to test.

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Re: Oraquick Advanced-Finger prick vs oral fluid
« Reply #91 on: August 13, 2007, 06:52:01 PM »
but rod...precum contains hiv right? and the mouth is a mucous membrane, so how is it not possible?

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Re: Oraquick Advanced-Finger prick vs oral fluid
« Reply #92 on: August 13, 2007, 06:55:12 PM »
Saliva contains inhibiting factors in your mouth that deactivates HIV.

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Re: Oraquick Advanced-Finger prick vs oral fluid
« Reply #93 on: August 13, 2007, 07:03:38 PM »
Saliva contains inhibiting factors in your mouth that deactivates HIV.


Hey!  Here's an interesting factoid!  That was discussed with you, ming, 6 months ago in this very thread.

Post number 13.

Hey!  Factoid #2:  You were already told this by the very same poster.  Who would have thought?
AIDS isn't for sissies.

Offline Matty the Damned

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Re: Oraquick Advanced-Finger prick vs oral fluid
« Reply #94 on: August 13, 2007, 07:12:32 PM »
Ming,

You need to read what you're being told. In particular you need to read what Andy told you yesterday:

Deal with that as you choose. You've gotten a lot of attention here. Going through another one of your panicky rounds doesn't make any sense to me. So I'll just say that you're awfully close to getting a time out here.

Ya dig?

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MtD

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Re: Oraquick Advanced-Finger prick vs oral fluid
« Reply #95 on: August 15, 2007, 11:04:41 PM »
Just a question...what happens when someone comes on this forum telling you that they got HIV from fingering and from receiving oral sex. Are you going to call them liars?

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Re: Oraquick Advanced-Finger prick vs oral fluid
« Reply #96 on: August 15, 2007, 11:08:15 PM »
Just a question...what happens when someone comes on this forum telling you that they got HIV from fingering and from receiving oral sex. Are you going to call them liars?

Yes.

MtD

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Re: Oraquick Advanced-Finger prick vs oral fluid
« Reply #97 on: August 26, 2007, 04:08:12 PM »
Dear Andy, Ann, Rod,

You guys always refer to the 3 studies of magnetic couples and how no one contracted HIV when having protected sex, but unprotected oral. I only know the Spanish study...what are the other 2 studies?

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Re: Oraquick Advanced-Finger prick vs oral fluid
« Reply #98 on: August 26, 2007, 04:15:34 PM »
Ming,

You might feel like nit-picking on a Sunday evening, but I'm off out for some R&R. These studies have been discussed and linked to elsewhere in this forum - use the search engine yourself. We're not your unpaid skivvies. Sorry.

Ann
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