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Offline babyming

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Oraquick Advanced-Finger prick vs oral fluid
« on: February 27, 2007, 05:01:31 PM »
Dear All Great Forum Members

I was getting oral sex from a man who just finished blowing someone else. It didn't last more than 10 seconds, but I am afriad there might have been sperm or precum in his mouth from the last perosn. However, two weeks later, I developed a rash which started on my left cheek, with extremely small blisters, which I opened up when I accidentally shaved over them. It then swelled, and my skin became hard and thickened. Then, a few days later, the rash spread to my ear lobes, right cheek, eyelids, and forehead, and eventually to my neck, all which went away in about 1.5 weeks. I went to the doctor three times, they couldn't tell what it was. They said it could be a viral or contact dermatitis. There also was no fever present, and I always felt fine, despite a few headaches. This is just too much of a coincidence.

I took an Abbott Determine Rapid Test at 6 weeks, 11 weeks, and 15 weeks, all negative. I know this test is widely used all over Europe, but not in the US, where Oraquick is the preferred rapid test. The doctor told me this test is probably the best rapid test available, but why is it not FDA approved then? I don't want to test again, but there is this huge grey cloud hanging over me. Could it be possible that I am a late seroconverter (I don't do drugs, smoke, drink at all). And if my rash was due to ARS, doesn't it mean that antibodies were developing already, and I would have tested positive. Also, is it possible that the Rapid Test detects antibodies much later than laboratory based tests? Are all HIV antibodies the same, or are antibodies different in each person, resulting in negative tests when in fact the person is positive?

Please give me a detailed answer people.....I love you all very much.
« Last Edit: February 27, 2007, 08:10:18 PM by babyming »

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Re: I am scared for my life
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2007, 05:52:21 PM »
Pour on all the details you want to and it still comes down to this one fact: In the entire 25 year history of the HIV epidemic and uncounted billions of blowjobs later, there's never been a single documented case of transmission to someone via getting a blowjob.

What is "theoretically possible" simply hasn't happened in real life so it's safe to say you aren't going to make history by becoming the first.

If you have persistent symptoms you need to discuss them with your doctor.

You also should read the lesson about Transmission. There's a link to it in the Welcome thread which opens this section.

There's no need for HIV testing. However, other STDs are much easier to acquire so if you're sexually active it's a good idea to have a full STD panel done at least annually and every six months is even better.
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Re: I know I have it....Rapid test unreliable
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2007, 08:12:02 PM »
Dear Andy,

Many people in the "I just tested Poz" forum seem to have positive tests not only after 3 months from what they considered to be their highest risk, but also got it through oral sex. What do you make of this.

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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2007, 08:16:27 PM »
No one got infected by receiving a blowjob. You had a negative test at 15 weeks so you are NEGATIVE. PERIOD... END OF STORY...

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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2007, 08:28:08 PM »
Can I trust the Abbott Determine Rapid Test though?

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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2007, 08:51:30 PM »
You can certainly test transmission science. You dont get HIV from getting fellatio.

"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

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Offline babyming

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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2007, 08:53:52 PM »
But if you read my original post, my case of fellatio was different...the person had blown someone else before

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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2007, 08:58:15 PM »
It wouldn't have mattered if it were all of the Dallas Cowboys before you. You don't get infected in that manner.

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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2007, 08:59:58 PM »
With all due respect, friend...I'll know you DON'T have it- even after you put 15 different spins on your scenario.
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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2007, 09:14:37 PM »
Look at Madbrains post (last post)....he didn't seroconvert for 4 months....if he is telling the truth

http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=5263.0

this is what scares me...my rash was just too much of a coincidence...i've never gotten a rash like that before, even with a negative 15 weeks rapid test...I am still scared because of people like Madbrains post.

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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2007, 09:20:29 PM »
That's what you get for not staying in the correct forum. You are negative period..

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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2007, 09:21:59 PM »
To humor you, I took a peek at this link you offered.  Until I remembered this other thing:


You DON'T GET HIV from RECEIVING oral sex.  So all this speculation about delayed conversion or whatever is moot anyway in your situation.  
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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2007, 09:44:38 PM »
Think about it....in my case...its very possible to get HIV....if there was cum in the guy's mouth who blew me from the previous person, then I could have been infected very easily. It's logic. I think you guys just think that Insertive Oral Sex is no risk, when in fact, this is a very possible mode of transmission in my case. I feel like if someone wrote saying they received a blowjob from someone who was bleeding a lot in their mouth, you would also reply "no risk from insertive oral". Your answer is one size fits all, which is terrible. 

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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2007, 09:54:10 PM »
No, it is not possible. Saliva has inhibiting factors. You don't get infected in that manner. End of discussion.

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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2007, 10:01:38 PM »
Continue with the crazies, babyming, and ignore the sage advice of those who know what they're talking about.

You are neg...period.

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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2007, 10:21:27 PM »
Are you a virus chaser? That is the only reason I would think you would keep ignoring the best advice of some seriously informed people. In this case, sorry for being harsh but which bit of NO do you not get? (a good lesson to learn). I'm not normally this direct but someting just got me about this one.
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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2007, 10:23:11 PM »
Baby, what is it you want here? You've been told what we know from experience and the HIV science of the epidemic for a quarter century.

But you know better? OK. Do you want us to agree with you even when we know there wasn't a risk for transmission from getting a blowjob? You tested negative at 15 weeks. And for something which really didn't even require a test. And on top of that now you're insisting it's possible you're STILL HIV positive and the test is wrong?

Would you feel better if we said, "Gee, you're right. It is possible." And join you in your worrying? And agree that "Gee, you're right. You're going to be the first person who ever got infected from receiving a blowjob. You're going to make history." Would that make you feel better? Oh yeah, and your test result is wrong too.

We can only tell you what we know. You can do with that information what you will.

 
« Last Edit: February 27, 2007, 10:26:04 PM by Andy Velez »
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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2007, 10:25:56 PM »
Of course I don't want to have HIV, I just think that it was too much of a coincidence to get that rash on my face and neck exactly 2 weeks after my encounter. Don't you think?

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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2007, 10:28:41 PM »
You might get the help you need form one on one with a mental health professional.

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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2007, 10:59:39 PM »
That link to Madbrains post you read clearly states that he is not sure when he seroconverted, but only what he speculates.  Even though he thinks it came from oral doesn't make it so.  All debate aside about blowjobs--you had a negative HIV test at 15 weeks---that is a conclusive negative.  You do not have HIV.  I don't care how many spins you want to put on it or when you have a rash--it isn't HIV.  Do you realize how many multiple things can cause a rash?  Do you realize that your rash may not even be related, but that you are relating the events in your head?  If you are still having problems, work with your doctor.  If you continue to chase a disease you do not have, then really you need a mental health professional to work out your issues.
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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2007, 11:03:26 PM »
Of course I don't want to have HIV, I just think that it was too much of a coincidence to get that rash on my face and neck exactly 2 weeks after my encounter. Don't you think?

You could have gotten a rash from a multitude of reasons.  Including somethin unrelated to HIV from the guy who blew you.  You are negative.
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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2007, 11:10:58 PM »
I think its absolute horse pucky that there is not one documented case of HIV from receiving oral sex. There is, its just that the CDC automatically assumes the person probably got it from another higher risk activity, so they just report it as anecdotal. There are plenty of people who I believe say they got it via insertive oral sex. Why would they lie if they already have the virus?

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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2007, 11:13:30 PM »
Whether you believe it or not is really irrelevant--it doesn't change the fact that you don't have HIV.
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Offline babyming

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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2007, 11:20:27 PM »
Also, I think the 6 week window period is absolute bullshit...it should be changed to 4 months....many many many people convert after 6, 8, 10 weeks, it's more like 40%  will seroconvert after 6 weeks....does anyone agree with me on this? Also, a person will start producting antibodies on average of 20-22 days, but it doesn't mean it will be detectable levels. There is a huge misconception.

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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2007, 11:26:04 PM »
Frankly, we don't care what you think. Good bye..

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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2007, 11:27:05 PM »
We arent here to debate you.  You are negative.  Find another forum that tolerates this kind of behavior.  We wont.
LIFE is not a race to the grave with the intention of arriving safely
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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2007, 11:37:28 PM »
Guys, I'm not here to argue, I am just feeling sad and depressed. I just don't know why I got that rash, especially right when you get ars symptoms. It's just such a coincidence. And then I read about tests not being able to detect antibodies in specific people, and delayed seroconversion...and it just gets me scared. I don't want to get tested again, I am just trying to find some comfort and approval from you guys. I love you.

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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2007, 11:38:42 PM »
No, don't even go there. You tried to do the same thing on MedHelp as you are doing here.

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« Reply #28 on: February 28, 2007, 01:40:35 AM »
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Also, a person will start producting antibodies on average of 20-22 days, but it doesn't mean it will be detectable levels
Just to clear up one of your misconceptions, before others read it and presume.

The average time to detectable levels of antibodies is on average 20-22 days. The overwhelming majority will test positive by 6 to 8 weeks if they are going to do so with 3 months remaining the upper limit for detection.
Most people frequenting the "am I infected" forum don't even require a test, as in your case.

You can test out as long as you like for this incident(s) and you still won't test positive. I read the post you referenced and I saw nothing that would make me question the window period, nothing.

Shout out conspiracy until you're blue in the face but the fact is you're letting your feelings be your compass when the facts are indisputable in your situation.

HIV is not transmitted via someone performing oral sex on you.

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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #29 on: February 28, 2007, 02:31:23 AM »
If you look at the "I just tested Poz" forum, it just seems that most of those people tested positive very close to three months and some of them were negative at 6-8 weeks, which makes me question the window period.

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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #30 on: February 28, 2007, 02:51:38 AM »
Whatever. You dont get HIV from receiving fellatio. Window periods ar eirrelevant to your case.

"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #31 on: February 28, 2007, 03:20:27 AM »
Good grief.  Is this thread still going on?
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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #32 on: February 28, 2007, 11:04:37 AM »
If you look at the "I just tested Poz" forum, it just seems that most of those people tested positive very close to three months and some of them were negative at 6-8 weeks, which makes me question the window period.
I don't think you have properly read anything anyone has said.  The vast majority that are positive will test positive by 6 weeks.  A negative HIV test is conclusive at 3 months to catch all the outliers that don't test positive by then.  So 3 months is what is recommended you test out to.  So what you believe still remains irrelevant.  You tested out to 15 weeks and thus are conclusively negative for HIV.

I know this will do absolutely no good to you and should have ignored this post,but there you go.
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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #33 on: February 28, 2007, 11:25:30 AM »
Baby, this has gone on quite long enough. You're wasting your time, which is your choice. But wasting ours is a whole other matter.

This is not an HIV situation no matter how much you go from one foot to the other about it. We've told you what we can tell you. If it doesn't satisfy you then I suggest you look elsewhere and/or see a therapist to get some support about the problem.

But this is the end of the line as far as you coming back to us with more what ifs and stuff about what others report about how they became infected. It's not our job to change your feelings or to hold your hand everytime your mind comes up with more stuff that has no basis in HIV science.

If you come back with more of that you're going to get a TIME OUT from this site. Really.

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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #34 on: February 28, 2007, 11:47:33 AM »
Ok, I understand. But one question before I go, does anyone know of anyone who has seroconverted past 3 months, not just on this site, but in general?

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« Reply #35 on: February 28, 2007, 11:54:34 AM »
Last answer...NO.  Not scientifically documented.
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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #36 on: February 28, 2007, 12:00:09 PM »
baby,

NO.

If you've read the welcome thread like you're supposed to, you would have seen the following:

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Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.

This applies to you. Not only did you NOT have a risk, but you also have a conclusive negative result. Please consider yourself warned.

You do NOT have hiv.

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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #37 on: February 28, 2007, 06:05:24 PM »
I am just curious, what credentials does Ann, RapidRod, and Andy have because they seem the most informed. Not trying to be rude...just wondering because a lot of people on this site give out information that is completely incorrect such as "no one tests positive after 3 months". Thank you.

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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #38 on: February 28, 2007, 06:08:11 PM »
Ann and I have bios you can read. Rod is a longtime HIV+ and very well informed.

I also don't think you are quoting accurately in your comment but I'm also not interested in getting into a fracas with you about it.

At this point you have been very well served here and are free to leave if you think otherwise and feel you can get more accurate and helpful information elsewhere. 

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« Reply #39 on: February 28, 2007, 06:09:32 PM »
Years of experience living with the disease you are so afraid of.
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« Reply #40 on: March 09, 2007, 12:36:42 AM »
Your not going to believe this, but I was recently tested at the UCSF Health Center for HIV, and they still recommend to test out to 6 months...this is San Francisco for God sakes.....why are they still recommending that? Is my 4 month Oraquick Finger Prick Test No Good?


Also, is the Oraquick test considered to be Modern Test?

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Re: Oraquick and Oraquick Advance
« Reply #41 on: March 09, 2007, 05:08:10 AM »
Keep all your questions and thoughts in your orginal thread.

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« Reply #42 on: March 09, 2007, 07:27:18 AM »
Ming,

I've merged your new thread into your original thread - where you should post all your additional thoughts or questions. It helps us to help you when you keep all your additional thoughts or questions in one thread.

If you need help finding your thread when you come here, click on the "Show own posts" link under your name in the left-hand column of any forum page.

Please also read through the Welcome Thread so you can familiarize yourself with our Forum Posting Guidelines. Thank you for your cooperation.

Your 4 month Oraquick Finger Prick Test negative result is good as gold. You are conclusively hiv negative and you do NOT need further testing.

You didn't even have a risk in the first place. Getting your penis sucked is NOT a risk for hiv infection and I don't care how many people the guy sucked before you. It doesn't matter what sort of spin or extra details you can think of to put on it, getting a blowjob is NOT a risk for hiv infection!

You are conclusively hiv negative and it's time you moved on with your life.

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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #43 on: March 09, 2007, 05:05:58 PM »
The CDC says 97% will test positive at 3 months...do you think this is still a conservative figure?

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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #44 on: March 09, 2007, 05:18:54 PM »
ming,

You're not listening to us. Not only did you NOT have a risk, but you are also conclusively hiv negative even if you did have a risk.

The CDC uses out-dated, nonsensical numbers for their stats. ~shrug~

The ball is in your court. You can believe us that you didn't have a risk and that you are conclusively hiv negative, or you can go on fretting about this non-event for the rest of your life. One thing is for sure, we aren't going to allow you to continue to come here to wring your hands over this incident.

If you need help getting on with your life, then you need to see a mental health care professional face-to-face. We cannot do that for you here. There is nothing more we can do for you here. It's time you got over this and moved on.

Protect your negative status by using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, consistently and correctly, every time, no exceptions. It really is that simple!

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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #45 on: March 10, 2007, 09:32:24 PM »
Dr. Bob says that late seroconversion is not solely related to IV drug users, chemo, cancer, lupus, etc.

It can be simply because of the viral strain and the hosts immune reaction, with or without extenuating circumstances.

This is scary.

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« Reply #46 on: March 10, 2007, 11:52:39 PM »
What is truly scary is that you are obsessing over HIV without having had a risk.

Also scary, ignoring the rather unilateral assessment of this site and asking us to refute or quantify another site's posting.

You don't have HIV. But I hope you are able to find some sort of peace through your repetitive web searches and HIV testing. To date, I submit that this has not happened.

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« Reply #47 on: March 14, 2007, 12:03:54 PM »
Andy....don't you think saying "in the entire history of the epidemic, there has not been one case of hiv transmission from receiving oral sex" to be a bit of an exaggeration? For example, if a magnetic couple was having oral sex all the time, in addition to unprotected anal sex, if the negative partner becomes infected, it is automatically assumed that he got it through anal sex right? But there also is a possibility that he got it through receiving oral sex. it is pretty common to have some blood in the mouth once in a while, and especially if the person receiving oral sex is uncircumcised, most experts agree that the virus can thrive under the foreskin much longer.

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« Reply #48 on: March 14, 2007, 12:06:34 PM »
The data does not support that babyming.  And you shouldn't be in this thread disrupting it like this either.
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« Reply #49 on: March 14, 2007, 05:08:36 PM »
ming,

I removed the post you made in another person's thread (along with AC's response to you) and placed it here, in your own thread, which is the ONLY place you should be posting. If you have ANY further thoughts or questions, please post them here in your own thread ONLY.

Your answer is incorrect. The reason we know it is incorrect is because in "magnetic" relationships where condoms are correctly and consistently used for anal or vaginal intercourse, but no barrier for oral, the negative partner does NOT become infected. There have been several long-term studies that have proven this.

You do not understand the ins and outs of hiv transmission, testing and related research well enough to be giving advice in this forum. Please don't do it again - if you do, you may be given a time out.

Thank you for your cooperation.

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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #50 on: March 17, 2007, 12:01:47 AM »
What are the window periods in European countries, in Canada, and Australia?

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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #51 on: March 18, 2007, 11:52:15 PM »
Please guys....just wondering what the window periods are in other countries such as canada, europe...etc.....is it the same as the US?

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« Reply #52 on: March 19, 2007, 05:37:36 AM »
Enough is enough. Please move on.

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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #53 on: March 26, 2007, 03:17:10 PM »
Dr. Bob still encourages people with significant exposures to test out to 6 months....do you guys also recommend the same? It just doesn't really make sense for only people with significant exposures to test out to 6 months.....it should be the same for everyone....don't you think?

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« Reply #54 on: March 26, 2007, 03:21:50 PM »
Where did you read that Dr. Bob suggests people to test out to six months? The CDC doesn't even suggest to test to out to six months under normal circumstances. You are HIV negative and it's time for you to move on.

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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #55 on: March 26, 2007, 04:50:53 PM »
Baby, you need to stop this self-indulgent drama! No kidding.

You weren't at risk to begin with. If you have a need to perpetuate this drama by going to other sites and then attempting to pit us against them kind of stuff, we're not interested in participating in that kind of stuff.

You've gotten many informed responses here. We've told you the real deal. That doesn't seem to have made a dent with you.

You're beginning to convince me that you need to see a therapist or other such professional to discuss what's going on with you about this unwarranted concern, one on your part that has absolutely no basis in HIV science. Really.
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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #56 on: March 26, 2007, 05:30:09 PM »
Rapid Rod, you can read it for yourself...this was yesterday's posting

http://www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/SafeSex/Current/Q183075.html

This is what Dr. Bob wrote:

1. The guidelines suggest a six-month test following an HIV exposure significant enough to warrant PEP before a definitive HIV-negative diagnosis can be confirmed.

It just seems confusing to me....if a person took a risk (let's not focus on my specific situation)...they took a risk. It shouldn't be split between significant exposure, low risk exposure, medium risk...etc......so why does this 6 month rule still apply? Dr. Bob says 3 months for all exposures exposures...but for someone known to be HIV+, its 6 months....this doesn't make sense.....

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« Reply #57 on: March 26, 2007, 05:36:13 PM »
Why don't you ask HIM why HE posts that.  We aren't mind readers you know. 

I strongly urge you to get on with your life.  This constant worrying and the anxiety are not good for your mental well being.  It may be a good idea for you to seek some professional help with that.
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« Reply #58 on: March 26, 2007, 05:39:23 PM »
Why didn't you explain the whole answer? The response from Dr. Bob is the same as we tell everyone here. Once you take the last dose of PEP you wait 13 weeks to get your conclusive results. If the person would not have taken PEP then it would have been conclusive at the first set of 13 weeks. If you would have noticed also, the person had a second exposure.

Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.

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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #59 on: March 26, 2007, 05:49:38 PM »
Rod....I am not asking about my specific situation....just concered about conflicting information...but if you actually read it clearly...it says:

The guidelines suggest a six-month test following an HIV exposure significant enough to warrant PEP before a definitive HIV-negative diagnosis can be confirmed.

This doesn't mean just taking PEP....he is saying the level of risk involved.....don't you think?

In addition, all of his other posts show that if you had sex with a confirmed HIV positive person...you need to test out to 6 months regardless of PEP. He says:

Now comes the confusing part. If a person was significantly exposed to a known HIV-infected person, the estimated statistical risks change and a second repeat test "might" be considered at six months or more from the exposure depending on the circumstances. And yes, there are very rare reports of seroconversion 6-12 months after a known exposure. The exact details of these very rare historical cases are a bit sketchy, but the reports do indeed exist in the medical literature

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« Reply #60 on: March 26, 2007, 05:53:11 PM »
The guideline is 13 weeks conclusive. If you take PEP, it's 13 weeks after the final dose of the PEP medication. Yes, you are on the verge of getting a TO. You've had your risk assessment, now it's time for you to move on.

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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #61 on: March 26, 2007, 05:57:55 PM »
Dear Sir,
If you are in sincere doubt of the advice(and admonishments) given here, then I encourage you to make an appointment with an HIV clinic, or Doctor, and pose your questions at that appointment.
Please print out this entire thread, and take it with you. You will not be able to refute facts, combined with a physician opinion.
It seems nothing short of that will suffice for your curiosity.
Please allow us to get to other people who may have a real need, in the stead of arguing semantics with a person who only desires to argue.
I beg of you to please stop now.
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« Reply #62 on: March 26, 2007, 06:07:27 PM »
Dear Sir,
If you are in sincere doubt of the advice(and admonishments) given here, then I encourage you to make an appointment with an HIV clinic, or Doctor, and pose your questions at that appointment.
Please print out this entire thread, and take it with you. You will not be able to refute facts, combined with a physician opinion.
It seems nothing short of that will suffice for your curiosity.
Please allow us to get to other people who may have a real need, in the stead of arguing semantics with a person who only desires to argue.
I beg of you to please stop now.


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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #63 on: March 27, 2007, 11:00:17 PM »
Just curious...what do you guys recommend for needle accident? If longer than 3 months...why?


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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #64 on: March 27, 2007, 11:05:08 PM »
Just curious...what do you guys recommend for needle accident? If longer than 3 months...why?


We recommend mental health evaluation.

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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #65 on: March 28, 2007, 07:19:54 AM »
baby,

There are certain protocol that must be observed in the case of an occupational needle stick. There is a very good outline of this protocol in the CSI forum and you can read it by clicking on the following link:

http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=9056.0

and I believe there's more in this thread:

http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=9383.0

None of this has anything to do directly with your situation. You are on you FINAL time out warning.

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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #66 on: March 29, 2007, 02:43:05 AM »
Why should I get a timeout when I am just asking a simple question?

Does HIV coinfection with gonnohrea or chlamydia prevent the development of HIV antibodies?




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Re: I know I have it....Even after 15 week negative test
« Reply #67 on: March 29, 2007, 06:12:06 AM »
Ming,

You are in danger of a time out because you have conclusively tested hiv negative after a no-risk incident. All these additional questions are just a way for you to keep your worry alive.

The answer to your second question is NO.

Make sure you use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse and you will not have to worry about all these additional things. You are hiv negative. Use condoms and you will remain hiv negative.

I'm giving you that time out. The purpose of your time out is to encourage you to seek out the assistance of a mental health care professional to enable you to get past your sexual anxieties and move on with your life.

Do not create a new account to get around your time out. If you do, I will know and you will be permanently banned.

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Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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« Reply #68 on: April 26, 2007, 10:01:42 PM »
Which one is more accurate? I know that the finger prick was fda approved in 2002, and the oral fluid in 2004. Does that make the 2004 test more accurate and more sensitive?

In addition, is there a possibility that clinics may make errors when reading the test result, such as an extremely faint positive line?

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Re: Oraquick Advanced-Finger prick vs oral fluid
« Reply #69 on: April 26, 2007, 10:12:15 PM »
Why have you started a new thread when you already have another thread you can ask your questions in?

After 25 posts you should know how things work here.

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Re: Oraquick Advanced-Finger prick vs oral fluid
« Reply #70 on: April 27, 2007, 12:34:52 AM »
Sorry...I forgot

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« Reply #71 on: April 27, 2007, 06:05:59 AM »
ming,

I've merged your new thread into your original thread - where you should post all your additional thoughts or questions. It helps us to help you when you keep all your additional thoughts or questions in one thread.

If you need help finding your thread when you come here, click on the "Show own posts" link under your name in the left-hand column of any forum page.

Please also read through the Welcome Thread so you can familiarize yourself with our Forum Posting Guidelines. Thank you for your cooperation.

Are you sure you "forgot", or did you just hope we'd forget about your time out?

Most clinics err on the side of caution when they see a faint positive line. They do more testing in this case.

You are conclusively hiv negative after a NO RISK incident.

There's nothing more we can do for you here. If I have to give you another time out, it will be for two months this time.

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Re: Oraquick Advanced-Finger prick vs oral fluid
« Reply #72 on: April 28, 2007, 09:06:49 AM »
I am just wondering..this is just general information for everyone...but does Herpes delay antibody production? What if you were infected with herpes and hiv at the same time?

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« Reply #73 on: April 28, 2007, 09:16:41 AM »
Have you bothered to read the transmission and testing lessons. Please do.

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Re: Oraquick Advanced-Finger prick vs oral fluid
« Reply #74 on: April 28, 2007, 04:27:09 PM »
Rod and Ann, I read it, but it doesn't answer my question...I am not asking this for my specific incident...i just want to know in general, does having herpes delay antibody production. Thank you...you are the best.

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Re: Oraquick Advanced-Finger prick vs oral fluid
« Reply #75 on: April 29, 2007, 03:23:51 AM »
Maybe I put myself at risk of being banned here.  But I have to ask the question - is it not time this guy is banned.  He is a 'head-job' not HIV.  He needs help from a shrink.  You guys been great, it's about time he got the message.

James

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« Reply #76 on: April 29, 2007, 04:08:59 AM »
James are you HIV positive? If not please start your on thread and keep all of your questions and concerns in your own thread.

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Re: Oraquick Advanced-Finger prick vs oral fluid
« Reply #77 on: June 20, 2007, 03:48:17 AM »
This was Dr. Bob's recent post.....looks like CDC still goes with 6 months...and Dr Bob confirms it. Read it for yourself.

http://www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/SafeSex/Current/Q184967.html

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« Reply #78 on: June 20, 2007, 04:17:54 AM »
Baby,

Dr Bob is a well-know CYA merchant (cover your ass). There is no reason why the window period should be any different if you know your partner to be hiv positive or not. It's ludicrous. The CDC is funded by an ultra-conservative government that would like to outlaw sex outside a traditional heterosexual marriage - they certainly don't condone hiv positive people having sex lives - and they use scare tactics where they cannot legislate.

The window period is three months, period.

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Re: Oraquick Advanced-Finger prick vs oral fluid
« Reply #79 on: June 20, 2007, 06:03:07 AM »
babyming, go to the CDC 2006 guidelines and read it for yourself. That is the same advice that this forum gives. Dr. Bob was answering a question to a person whos partner is positive and has been positive for a while. Don't try to throw this out of context. Annual HIV testing in serocouples is a normal recommendation. 

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Re: Oraquick Advanced-Finger prick vs oral fluid
« Reply #80 on: August 05, 2007, 11:04:36 PM »
Rod, Ann, Andy...you guys seem to always say the same thing for low risk activities...."no document cases" bla bla bla....no documented cases doesn't mean that it does not happen...it just means that it wasn't documented...plain and simple...people have gotten hiv from receiving oral sex, fingering...etc....it's just that when people turn positive...they automatically assume it was the intercourse part that infected them...by the way...CDC doesn't document any new cases....they used to document cases in the early 90's when they were still learning about the disease...now they don't give a shit about documenting cases.

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Re: Oraquick Advanced-Finger prick vs oral fluid
« Reply #81 on: August 05, 2007, 11:11:26 PM »
And also....are you going to tell me that out of the 40,000,000 cases of HIV...no one got if from receiving oral sex? Fingering?

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« Reply #82 on: August 05, 2007, 11:29:52 PM »
And also....are you going to tell me that out of the 40,000,000 cases of HIV...no one got if from receiving oral sex? Fingering?

Yes, that's what we're going to tell you.
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« Reply #83 on: August 06, 2007, 03:47:25 AM »
ming,

This is where the serodiscordant studies come in. If what you claim were true, then at least one of the seronegative partners in the couples who used condoms, consistently and correctly, would have ended hiv positive. But NOT ONE did. We're talking three differnt studies, involving thousands of couples and running for years.

Use condoms consistently and correctly yourself, for anal or vaginal intercourse, and you too will remain hiv negative. It really is that simple!

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HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Re: Oraquick Advanced-Finger prick vs oral fluid
« Reply #84 on: August 12, 2007, 06:28:30 PM »
guys...i did something stupid again...tell me if I should get tested....I received oral sex from a friend who says that he was tested 4 weeks ago and was negative...I do believe him....however...he might have had encounters since that test...anyways...here is what happened:

Received oral sex
Licked the shaft of his penis and the head but never stuck his penis in my mouth...stopped after a tasted a bit of precum (about 10 seconds)
mutual masturbation

Now I am a wreck again...should I be worried? Should i get tested? Rapid Rod, Ann, Andy...please help!!!!

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« Reply #85 on: August 12, 2007, 06:37:00 PM »
No worry or concern.

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« Reply #86 on: August 12, 2007, 06:40:40 PM »
does that mean I don't need to be tested?

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« Reply #87 on: August 12, 2007, 07:03:24 PM »
You don't need to test.

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« Reply #88 on: August 12, 2007, 07:58:41 PM »
Ming, you did do something stupid again. Well, maybe stupid isn't the right word for it.

You already well know from what you have been told over and over again that getting a blowjob is not a risk for HIV transmission. Yet you have castigated us for saying that to you and carried on at some rude length about how we should be paying respect to unidentified undocumented cases.

Now that you got your dick sucked again you're in a panic and wanting reassurance. We can't tell you anything differently than you have already heard from us. You can believe it or not, whichever you choose. There's no need for testing. Getting a blowjob is not a risk for HIV transmission.

Deal with that as you choose. You've gotten a lot of attention here. Going through another one of your panicky rounds doesn't make any sense to me. So I'll just say that you're awfully close to getting a time out here.

Andy Velez

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« Reply #89 on: August 13, 2007, 06:38:05 PM »
Andy...but I also licked his shaft and around his head...tasted a bit of precum and that was when I stopped...it was for about 10 seconds...should I be worried...test? I am not worried about the receiving oral sex part....but this part scares me.

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« Reply #90 on: August 13, 2007, 06:49:50 PM »
You were never at risk and you don't need to test.

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« Reply #91 on: August 13, 2007, 06:52:01 PM »
but rod...precum contains hiv right? and the mouth is a mucous membrane, so how is it not possible?

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« Reply #92 on: August 13, 2007, 06:55:12 PM »
Saliva contains inhibiting factors in your mouth that deactivates HIV.

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« Reply #93 on: August 13, 2007, 07:03:38 PM »
Saliva contains inhibiting factors in your mouth that deactivates HIV.


Hey!  Here's an interesting factoid!  That was discussed with you, ming, 6 months ago in this very thread.

Post number 13.

Hey!  Factoid #2:  You were already told this by the very same poster.  Who would have thought?
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« Reply #94 on: August 13, 2007, 07:12:32 PM »
Ming,

You need to read what you're being told. In particular you need to read what Andy told you yesterday:

Deal with that as you choose. You've gotten a lot of attention here. Going through another one of your panicky rounds doesn't make any sense to me. So I'll just say that you're awfully close to getting a time out here.

Ya dig?

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« Reply #95 on: August 15, 2007, 11:04:41 PM »
Just a question...what happens when someone comes on this forum telling you that they got HIV from fingering and from receiving oral sex. Are you going to call them liars?

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« Reply #96 on: August 15, 2007, 11:08:15 PM »
Just a question...what happens when someone comes on this forum telling you that they got HIV from fingering and from receiving oral sex. Are you going to call them liars?

Yes.

MtD

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« Reply #97 on: August 26, 2007, 04:08:12 PM »
Dear Andy, Ann, Rod,

You guys always refer to the 3 studies of magnetic couples and how no one contracted HIV when having protected sex, but unprotected oral. I only know the Spanish study...what are the other 2 studies?

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« Reply #98 on: August 26, 2007, 04:15:34 PM »
Ming,

You might feel like nit-picking on a Sunday evening, but I'm off out for some R&R. These studies have been discussed and linked to elsewhere in this forum - use the search engine yourself. We're not your unpaid skivvies. Sorry.

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