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Offline aupointillimite

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I did something good!
« on: February 26, 2007, 06:13:33 PM »
So, my roommate Liz is a journalism major at VCU.

She had written this absolutely boring article about something and her professor ripped her a new one about what is called, in journalism, "the lead."

I wrote her a new one.

It was used in class today as the example of a perfect narrative lead.

She got the credit, which of course I knew she would... but it feels nice to have been recognized... even in an indirect manner. 

Go me!
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Re: I did something good!
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2007, 06:20:22 PM »
Next time I have to write a speech I'll know where to come... ;)

Now how are you with bedtime stories?... :D

Glad you were able to help her get her credits.

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Re: I did something good!
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2007, 06:23:26 PM »
Back in my day that was called cheating.  What do you call it now?
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Re: I did something good!
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2007, 06:24:42 PM »
So let's get the whole deal here.

What was the narrative lead you wrote for her!!!???

Tell!
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« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2007, 06:34:30 PM »
Back in my day that was called cheating.  What do you call it now?

I'm not a student... so I call it "helping a very good friend."

And Andy... this is what I wrote for her lead.

"The walkway leading into Lois Love's home was an unrestricted path for vagrants, vandals and trespassers, but it was also an open invitation to neighbors, friends, and her community. 

With the addition of a simple metal gate, Love kept out those who might do her harm, but she also divorced herself from part of her community, especially members of the West Grace Street Association." 
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Re: I did something good!
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2007, 06:43:27 PM »
I see 'helping a very good friend' is the new terminology for cheating. 

My 17 year old standing behind me calls BS on your explanation.

His thought about your 'new' terminology......."in other words he's still cheating". 

Out of the mouths of babes.....amazing the clarity they have....there is hope for the future!


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« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2007, 06:51:40 PM »
I see 'helping a very good friend' is the new terminology for cheating. 

My 17 year old standing behind me calls BS on your explanation.

His thought about your 'new' terminology......."in other words he's still cheating". 

Out of the mouths of babes.....amazing the clarity they have....there is hope for the future!

Hmm.

I suppose I could mention the fact that she did all the work... interviewing everyone in City Hall about this story, sitting in on interminable City Council meetings to be able to write the vast majority of what this story was about... essentially doing all the grunt work... and I wrote two tiny paragraphs for her, making this really boring story about a woman in Richmond who put up a gate against the wishes of the City Council... two tiny paragraphs to make it seem slightly more interesting than it was.  After she'd been agonizing over this story for hours and had been embarrassed by her professor for writing a bad lead... and after all I've been through with this chick... if I can sit down and help her with less than 100 words... then I will.

I want her to do well in her class, she's smart enough to see why what I wrote for her got recognized, and she won't need my help in the future, and it's not like her success is to my detriment. 
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Re: I did something good!
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2007, 06:55:21 PM »
Benj,

Elizabeth is right. No amount of rationalising is going to change the fact that your flattie has plagiarised your work. Essentially she's passing off your work as hers. The fact that you've participated willingly compounds the offence, making it "collusion".

This is academic misconduct. Naughty!

But be of good cheer! Matty the Damned reckons it's only a problem if she gets caught. And no matter what happens, she'll be more than qualified to work for the New York Times.

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« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2007, 07:03:42 PM »
Benj,

Elizabeth is right. No amount of rationalising is going to change the fact that your flattie has plagiarised your work. Essentially she's passing off your work as hers. The fact that you've participated willingly compounds the offence, making it "collusion".

This is academic misconduct. Naughty!

But be of good cheer! Matty the Damned reckons it's only a problem if she gets caught. And no matter what happens, she'll be more than qualified to work for the New York Times.

MtD

Actually, I willingly gave her the rights to say it was her work, so what does that make it then?

Jesus Fucking Christ... it's not like everything has been really sunshine and fucking daisies for me right now.  I was just proud of the fact that I'd written something that got recognized by a PhD.

So, the fact that I knew my insurance was going to run out and tried to get 90 day prescriptions... should my doc and I have run it by the the fucking ethics department before or after I tried to have those filled?

Jesus. 

Thanks a lot.

Thanks for pissing all over it.

I was trying to extract a tiny bit of good from what happened today... but whatever.

Jesus.
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Re: I did something good!
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2007, 07:13:46 PM »
Hey Benj,

It's actually quite a good lead in to the article. You've captured the essence of the story in the first two sentences, precisely what a good article should do.

And, if you can't help your friends, who can you help.
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« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2007, 07:16:37 PM »
Hey Benj,

It's actually quite a good lead in to the article. You've captured the essence of the story in the first two sentences, precisely what the lead in should do.

And, if you can't help your friends, who can you help.

Thank you!

It really was a completely boring article.   ;)   All about this woman who wanted to put up a fence in the Fan (a historic district of Richmond) and blah blah blah.

She helped me out enormously on the day I was diagnosed... so I try to make it up to her whenever possible... regardless of ethical quibbles.
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« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2007, 07:20:33 PM »
Actually, I willingly gave her the rights to say it was her work, so what does that make it then?

Jesus Fucking Christ... it's not like everything has been really sunshine and fucking daisies for me right now.  I was just proud of the fact that I'd written something that got recognized by a PhD.

So, the fact that I knew my insurance was going to run out and tried to get 90 day prescriptions... should my doc and I have run it by the the fucking ethics department before or after I tried to have those filled?

Jesus.

Thanks a lot.

Thanks for pissing all over it.

I was trying to extract a tiny bit of good from what happened today... but whatever.

Jesus.


Oh Benj! You're more than welcome. Matty the Damned is always happy to piss on what little sunshine warms your day.

He's that sorta chap.  ;)

And you can give her all the rights you want. If she didn't acknowledge you as the source, it's plagiarism.

MtD

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« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2007, 07:28:07 PM »
And you can give her all the rights you want. If she didn't acknowledge you as the source, it's plagiarism.

MtD

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But really, from the bottom of my fucking heart... from the lowest part of my right ventricle... thank you.
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Offline Basquo

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« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2007, 07:29:55 PM »
Journalism students help each other out all the time.  What Benj did will help his friend to write a better lead next time. It's common practice.  But it stops when they enter the real world of Journalism, which is very cutthroat, and all the "ethics" they teach you go right out the window the day you get your diploma.


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« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2007, 07:34:14 PM »
Moi, je m'en fous.

But really, from the bottom of my fucking heart... from the lowest part of my right ventricle... thank you.

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« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2007, 07:37:40 PM »
"A" for Passive Aggressions

Edited to removed what I said that would have gotten me in trouble.
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« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2007, 07:40:00 PM »
Well thanks.

I would like to thank everyone who jumped up my ass during a time when I'm feeling extraordinarily upset and merely posted a thread about something slightly cool that happened that made me feel good.

Thank you so much.
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« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2007, 07:48:24 PM »
Well thanks.

I would like to thank everyone who jumped up my ass during a time when I'm feeling extraordinarily upset and merely posted a thread about something slightly cool that happened that made me feel good.

Thank you so much.


Oh Benj! This is the thing about saying stuff in public. You don't always get the responses you want. So you helped your flattie. Good for you doll. You're a lion amongst queens. Totally worth your weight in cocaine.

But no matter how noble your intentions, this is still academic misconduct. Cheating. I've no doubt that under the rules of the instituion your friend has committed a mendacious act.

Now that's cool. I'm not saying you shouldn't do it. Do as you please. But it is what it is. Matty the Damned and Elizabeth have a long standing reputation in this place for calling things for what they are.

If that harshes your buzz, well you'll just have to cope.

Now run along and have another mimosa. It sounds like you need one.

Fondles,

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« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2007, 08:03:27 PM »
If that harshes your buzz, well you'll just have to cope.

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« Last Edit: February 26, 2007, 08:12:36 PM by aupointillimite »
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« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2007, 08:07:07 PM »

"The walkway leading into Lois Love's home was an unrestricted path for vagrants, vandals and trespassers, but it was also an open invitation to neighbors, friends, and her community. 

With the addition of a simple metal gate, Love kept out those who might do her harm, but she also divorced herself from part of her community, especially members of the West Grace Street Association." 


Dam, that's GOOD. Omigod, you so screwed your flatmate up. She's going to have to do THAT GOOD or BETTER from now on. Hehe.

Insofar as the naysayers go, eh. PLaying strictly by the rules will het ya killed in this world.

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Offline aupointillimite

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« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2007, 08:14:16 PM »

Dam, that's GOOD. Omigod, you so screwed your flatmate up. She's going to have to do THAT GOOD or BETTER from now on. Hehe.

Insofar as the naysayers go, eh. PLaying strictly by the rules will het ya killed in this world.

Indeed it will. 

Actually, I read her stuff today... she took the stylistic lesson I inadvertently taught her and has run somewhat wild with it.

She's doing well...

And playing by the rules to the letter is for pussies, I think.
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« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2007, 08:15:33 PM »
PS: You think being brutally honest is th ebst course of action? Try applying for Social Security Disability, Ryan White, Section 8 apartment assistance, et al. Then, when HIV becomes less of an issue and you are ready to work, try putting "I spent ten years crapping myself with HIV but I'm your go-to guy now" on your resume. And don't forget to mention the pot you have to smoke in order oto stave off PN or the vomits.

We lie each and every day of our lives. And those who say they don't? They scare the crap out of me, because they are either liears of the worst possible sort, or they will rat you out in a heartbeat because they trust a system that is broken and malignantly malicious.

People. Suck.

Like I keep saying, the only place I draw the line is at mean. Don't be mean. In this weary world, the absence of malice is what passes for heroic. You wrote your friend's paper. Cool deal. She has to write the next one. Unless she intends to employ you as her Guy Friday, which can be lucrative.

Cheating?

What do you call an insurance company risking your health with their arbitrary pill distribution? What do you call our devoted nurse Lisa illegally transferring meds from those who cannot take them to those who desperately need them? What do you call being paid under the table when SSDI and SSI don't allow you to eat any fod product without the word "RAMEN" in the title?

Yeah, hang around this world a little, hang around the BS of beurocracy a bit, live with HIV eating your brain, and then come to me and talk about cheating.

Now if you will excuse me, I have to perform an illegan act or two. You are all in my thoughts.

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Offline Boo Radley

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Re: I did something good!
« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2007, 08:17:40 PM »
As always I never see the accident, I arrive after the fact.

After reading the entire thread I quibble with calling what benj did cheating or even plagiarism since he simply wrote a 2 line summary, AKA the lead, for an entire article his roommate wrote by herself.  In this case it seems like one student getting help from a more knowledgeable student, especially since Liz apparently had no clue how to write a lead but with benj's example she'll ostensibly do better herself next time.  If she always comes to benj for leads I'd question her ability but as long as she's doing the actual work of reporting the inability to compose a lead is of minor importance.  She may be a great reporter but not good at succinct summaries. 

While technically one might say his assistance was cheating I think it's a little harsh given the actual events.  Liz asked for help in creating a lead, an effort she had just failed in, and he gave her one.  Liz wrote the entire article which the professor apparently found acceptable but her lead wasn't right.  The new lead, from benj, was good enough to be cited as best example for the day.  Was Liz supposed to cave in and admit benj wrote it?  She may need benj's help again but eventually she'll have to write her own leads, after learning what a lead is from benj or the professor or by her own cognition.

I hate to see nice folks argue about something as relatively unimportant as this topic.  That's all I have to say, thanks.

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« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2007, 08:33:41 PM »

Out of the mouths of babes.....amazing the clarity they have....there is hope for the future!


I fail to see how the ethical status of Benj's particular action has anything to do with his age, or the future. 
After all, there are plenty of old liars, and honest young people.  While what Benj did may be dubious in your mind, I would counter that there are better ways to express that then what I would consider to be a personal attack.  The world is not coming to an end because you think someone is cheating.  Nor, if he were proven to be doing so, would he be the first.  Dishonesty is, after all, something learned from one's elders.

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« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2007, 09:09:31 PM »
i've thought getting an education was like a communicable sexual disease. it made you unsuitable for a lot of jobs and then you have the urge to pass it on.
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« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2007, 10:24:26 AM »
I see 'helping a very good friend' is the new terminology for cheating. 

My 17 year old standing behind me calls BS on your explanation.

His thought about your 'new' terminology......."in other words he's still cheating". 

Out of the mouths of babes.....amazing the clarity they have....there is hope for the future!

In the REAL world it is done the way of the pointed one!  *I* call it teamwork and collaboration.  And arent THOSE the values you want to teach to your children in this iconoclastic me me me world we live in?! 

In this world where friend turns on friend and we have the Anna Nicole SAGA unfolding before our eyes don't we want to show our children that they should reach out to friends in need.  And work TOGETHER to reach an ultimate goal.  It promotes bonding and unity in a world sadly lacking those very human traits! 

So I say to you my fellow members of Aidsmeds, BRAVO to The Pointed One!  Bravo, for standing up in the face of tyranny and uniting with a loved one!  Bravo, for standing up for what this country is all about!  You my friend are a true patriot.


(THAT is how you spin "cheating"!  Any questions?)
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« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2007, 10:29:18 AM »
Well thanks.

I would like to thank everyone who jumped up my ass during a time when I'm feeling extraordinarily upset and merely posted a thread about something slightly cool that happened that made me feel good.

Thank you so much.


WOW this went south fast.  I thought it was AWESOME and I mean that.  Your skill with language is a valuable asset.  Keep using it.
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« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2007, 10:30:46 AM »
I fail to see how the ethical status of Benj's particular action has anything to do with his age, or the future. 
After all, there are plenty of old liars, and honest young people.  While what Benj did may be dubious in your mind, I would counter that there are better ways to express that then what I would consider to be a personal attack.  The world is not coming to an end because you think someone is cheating.  Nor, if he were proven to be doing so, would he be the first.  Dishonesty is, after all, something learned from one's elders.



In all fairness im 99% sure Elizabeth was referring to her child.
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« Reply #28 on: February 27, 2007, 01:30:55 PM »
According to my ASO, you can donate writing skills to help PWHA's in AIDS activism. This is likely what *I* will do since I've been racking my brain as to what I could possibly contribute as a fledgling activist. See below

1. http://www.gmhc.org/policy/activism/oped.html
2. http://www.gmhc.org/policy/activism/legislators.html



Edited: PWA's changed to PWHA's

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« Reply #29 on: February 27, 2007, 09:23:16 PM »
I thought I'd throw in my two cents.  I read your own tale of how your neighbor came over, and you ignored him because you weren't in the mood, and you didn't tell him this is how you felt. 

So, it's ironic when you write:"The walkway leading into Lois Love's home was an unrestricted path for vagrants, vandals and trespassers, but it was also an open invitation to neighbors, friends, and her community. 

Apparently the walkway into your home is not an open invitation, and as you've pointed out particularly when Law & Order is being aired. 

I also saw how you were praised for your writing and perhaps you just wanted us to know you had proof that you write well. 

Now, you've drawn criticism for your action by some and still praise from others. 

I wonder myself why didn't you explain to your friend that you weren't in the mood for company as opposed to just ignoring him.  Then I did see that you were only 24 and thought that could be an explanation, but as I've been on the receiving end of similar behavior, I know that it isn't specific to any particular age but more to a level of maturilty, perhaps.


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« Reply #30 on: February 27, 2007, 09:29:33 PM »
I thought I'd throw in my two cents.  I read your own tale of how your neighbor came over, and you ignored him because you weren't in the mood, and you didn't tell him this is how you felt. 

So, it's ironic when you write:"The walkway leading into Lois Love's home was an unrestricted path for vagrants, vandals and trespassers, but it was also an open invitation to neighbors, friends, and her community. 

Apparently the walkway into your home is not an open invitation, and as you've pointed out particularly when Law & Order is being aired. 

I also saw how you were praised for your writing and perhaps you just wanted us to know you had proof that you write well. 

Now, you've drawn criticism for your action by some and still praise from others. 

I wonder myself why didn't you explain to your friend that you weren't in the mood for company as opposed to just ignoring him.  Then I did see that you were only 24 and thought that could be an explanation, but as I've been on the receiving end of similar behavior, I know that it isn't specific to any particular age but more to a level of maturilty, perhaps.

Duly noted.

And your efforts taken to get to know me individually?

Duly appreciated.

And the condescending remarks?

Doubly appreciated.

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Re: I did something good!
« Reply #31 on: February 27, 2007, 09:33:37 PM »
aupointillimite, when I took my college writing and speaking we always worked in teams of four and we help each other. You wouldn't ever get a curve on the grading and each one of our grades were averaged to give us our grade. So you did your best to make sure everyone did well.

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« Reply #32 on: February 27, 2007, 09:37:10 PM »
Well, I thought I'd call, but then I know how frequentl Law & Order airs on USA today.  In fact, there was just a Law & Order marathon on the other day when I arrived at the hotel in Bethesda. 

I'd say that since I took the time to read what you've wrote and responded that I have taken interest. 

Do your friends just tell you things that you like hearing?




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« Reply #33 on: February 27, 2007, 09:40:52 PM »
Well, I thought I'd call, but then I know how frequentl Law & Order airs on USA today.  In fact, there was just a Law & Order marathon on the other day when I arrived at the hotel in Bethesda. 

I'd say that since I took the time to read what you've wrote and responded that I have taken interest. 

Do your friends just tell you things that you like hearing?

Yes.  I am so insecure with myself that I absolutely have to be surrounded by sycophants at all times.
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« Reply #34 on: February 27, 2007, 11:10:17 PM »
Well, I thought I'd call, but then I know how frequentl Law & Order airs on USA today.  In fact, there was just a Law & Order marathon on the other day when I arrived at the hotel in Bethesda. 

I'd say that since I took the time to read what you've wrote and responded that I have taken interest. 

Do your friends just tell you things that you like hearing?

Generally thats why they are our friends! 

Cue the "true friends tell you the truth" speech....  aaaaand ACTION!
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« Reply #35 on: February 27, 2007, 11:12:48 PM »
Generally thats why they are our friends! 

Cue the "true friends tell you the truth" speech....  aaaaand ACTION!

Cue the "you can't handle the truth" speech!
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« Reply #36 on: February 27, 2007, 11:22:29 PM »
I personally think you did a wonderful thing....
With as much as you have had going on in your life, to take a step back and help someone else is amazing.  That marks you as a true friend to her, that you put her problems before your own.  Some make call it cheating, but at the end of the day, you have to lay down with your own demons and face it. 

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« Reply #37 on: February 27, 2007, 11:25:12 PM »
I personally think you did a wonderful thing....
With as much as you have had going on in your life, to take a step back and help someone else is amazing.  That marks you as a true friend to her, that you put her problems before your own.  Some make call it cheating, but at the end of the day, you have to lay down with your own demons and face it. 

Wow!  Thank you!
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« Reply #38 on: February 27, 2007, 11:30:22 PM »
You are welcome....

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« Reply #39 on: February 27, 2007, 11:31:16 PM »
RE your writing..look in my thread 'talents' in off topic if you would be so kind. Don't know the product yet but JEEZ we'll sell it to em!
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« Reply #40 on: February 27, 2007, 11:33:39 PM »
Don't know the product yet but JEEZ we'll sell it to em!

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« Reply #41 on: February 27, 2007, 11:36:51 PM »
RE your writing..look in my thread 'talents' in off topic if you would be so kind. Don't know the product yet but JEEZ we'll sell it to em!
(And we know u really a fluffy bunny, just brimming over with compassion)
we all have the right to be human

Ooooh!  I"ll use my Jew talents to sell it!    ;D

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« Reply #42 on: February 27, 2007, 11:58:03 PM »
I'd say that since I took the time to read what you've wrote and responded that I have taken interest. 
Do your friends just tell you things that you like hearing?

I would recommend, as this is primarily a support group, that before you start tearing into people on Odd Topic threads, maybe offering some support would establish you as a decent guy with a vested interest in the well being of others with HIV.

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« Reply #43 on: February 27, 2007, 11:59:27 PM »
Don't know the product yet but JEEZ we'll sell it to em!

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They don't even have to be frazzled. Just drunk :)

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« Reply #44 on: February 28, 2007, 12:04:44 AM »
I would recommend, as this is primarily a support group, that before you start tearing into people on Odd Topic threads, maybe offering some support would establish you as a decent guy with a vested interest in the well being of others with HIV.

Just Saying.

One would think. 

Although "lecturing others about something about which one knows nothing" tends to be a favorite human pastime... or so I've learned over the course of my very, very short life... so I could be wrong. 
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« Reply #45 on: February 28, 2007, 01:22:03 AM »
jkinatl2,

I would recommend, as this is primarily a support group, that before you start tearing into people on Odd Topic threads, maybe offering some support would establish you as a decent guy with a vested interest in the well being of others with HIV.

Just Saying.

If this comment was meant for me:

You're kidding, this is primarily a support group! (I'm sure I'm as entitled to my sarcasm as much as anyone else here.)

Odd topic thread(Off topic thread--I'm guessing may or may not be about support, may or may not be about HIV

I feel quite certain that any of my postings under this Off topic thread weren't about tearing anyone apart. (Is being proud that you ignored your neighbor because he just dropped by and you didn't want to be bothered a better quality in a person?

I don't feel the need to prove whether or not I am a decent guy.  (And you don't need me to tell you that everyone is allowed to draw their own conclusions about that)

I don't only care about or want to have a vested interest in people with HIV................I care about all people with or without HIV.  I'm very thankful for the people that don't have HIV that are helping to take care of those of us with HIV through research, any kind of support, or in their careers.   

So, should I conclude that you only care to have people lionize aupointillimite?  Or just that I should express my feelings in a manner in which you find appealing?

Is it supportive to ignore someone that has made it a point to come and see you? 

Just saying.

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« Reply #46 on: February 28, 2007, 01:28:13 AM »
Deleted because it was probably inappropriate and definitely unimportant.
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« Reply #47 on: February 28, 2007, 01:33:11 AM »
Is this your treating me the way you'd like to be treated?  Did I use profanity with you to express myself?  I don't know what your neighbor had been through that day either. 

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« Reply #48 on: February 28, 2007, 01:44:37 AM »
Deleted because it was probably only slightly less appropriate and definitely even more unimportant.
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« Reply #49 on: February 28, 2007, 01:49:39 AM »
Just because it's Off Topic doesn't mean that flamebaiting is encouraged.

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« Reply #50 on: February 28, 2007, 01:56:20 AM »
Benj,

I can assure you I was not quoting Jesus, I've never heard him say anything.

It's just my aim in life to try to treat people as I'd like to be treated.  I just think it's a good idea.  And I know I've not always succeeded in this attempt.

And it's great that you have a dozen friends that know how you like to be treated and oblige you.

I don't have a dozen friends, and I'm sure you can tell me why. 

You're very young and attractive, it isn't surprising that you'd have a dozen friends. 

It also seems apparent that you and I most likely won't ever end up being friends, that's okay. 

I would only wish you well just as I'd wish anyone well!

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« Reply #51 on: February 28, 2007, 02:00:38 AM »
I have no idea what flamebaiting is, and I don't care. 

It's obvious you're a fan of Benj's, and you don't like me.  That's okay. 


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« Reply #52 on: February 28, 2007, 02:01:40 AM »
I used "dozens."  Plural.
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« Reply #53 on: February 28, 2007, 02:07:12 AM »
Can I just say how bored I am with this now?

It's distracting me from thinking about how pretty I am.
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« Reply #54 on: February 28, 2007, 02:09:33 AM »
I urge anyone who is being flamebaited to simply report the offender, rather than engage tem.

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« Reply #55 on: February 28, 2007, 02:12:01 AM »
I urge anyone who is being flamebaited to simply report the offender, rather than engage tem.

Good point... but I really didn't feel like I was being flame-baited, really... just given a bunch of grief as a result of ignorance.
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« Reply #56 on: February 28, 2007, 02:13:16 AM »
I have no idea what flamebaiting is, and I don't care. 

It's obvious you're a fan of Benj's, and you don't like me.  That's okay. 



Flamebaiting is posting comments meant to arouse ugly dialogues...kinda like the way this one's gone. It's posting provocations meant to cause pain or harm.

Why don't you post an introduction thread in the Living Forum? It's the preferred way to get acquainted.

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« Reply #57 on: February 28, 2007, 02:25:39 AM »
If anyone feels the need to report me, that's just fine by me.  I'm quite certain that all I've done is express myself and I've done it without using profanity. 

I appreciation the hand Brent, but I don't feel the need to post in the introduction thread.  I guess I wasn't aware of the preferred way of doing things. 

It seems like I've been accused of tearing people apart, cussed at, and then told what I should be doing. 

I guess it's only okay to tear Scott apart, apparently!

Perhaps, it's just okay to treat the new guy in such a manner. 

I won't change my dialogue to be in anyone's favor, I've never lived my life that way and i won't start now. 

And as far as being accused of being ignorant, Benji, I'll just consider the source.

Please feel free to cc this message to anyone that you feel the need to cc this message to.  I'm guessing there must be a support group for people that get kicked out of this support group somewhere.


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« Reply #58 on: February 28, 2007, 03:55:52 AM »
Correction for the illiteracy police:

I meant to say that I appreciate the hand Brent.  My thoughts and my typing don't always work with each other.

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« Reply #59 on: February 28, 2007, 11:13:54 AM »
Correction for the illiteracy police:
I meant to say that I appreciate the hand Brent.  My thoughts and my typing don't always work with each other.


I heard there was an emergency requiring my services!
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« Reply #60 on: February 28, 2007, 11:15:37 AM »
Man,

I guess you feel the same way Benj did when you lit into him earlier about his neighbor.  Which this thread wasnt even about.  And yes Im a Benjinite Defender of the faith.
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« Reply #61 on: February 28, 2007, 11:50:44 AM »
I thought I'd throw in my two cents.  I read your own tale of how your neighbor came over, and you ignored him because you weren't in the mood, and you didn't tell him this is how you felt. 

So, it's ironic when you write:"The walkway leading into Lois Love's home was an unrestricted path for vagrants, vandals and trespassers, but it was also an open invitation to neighbors, friends, and her community. 

Apparently the walkway into your home is not an open invitation, and as you've pointed out particularly when Law & Order is being aired. 

What in the Sam Hill is that about?  Why are you bringing up a totally unrelated topic in this thread?  Post it in the appropriate thread, please.   What benj wrote for his friend's class assignment has ziclh to do with how he reacted to someone who dropped in without asking if his company was wanted.  Aupoint's gotten enough grief in this thread already without tossing more gasoline on the flames. 

This must be National Pick on Aupointillimite Week and I missed the announcement. 

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« Reply #62 on: February 28, 2007, 12:28:24 PM »
Whar is dat pointed one y'all have been talkin' bout?!?!

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« Reply #63 on: February 28, 2007, 12:54:02 PM »
this thread has taken an ugly turn
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« Reply #64 on: February 28, 2007, 12:55:47 PM »
this thread has taken an ugly turn

Not yet.  I'm still in it.
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« Reply #65 on: February 28, 2007, 01:02:04 PM »
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« Reply #66 on: February 28, 2007, 01:17:14 PM »
Just to swing this back to the original topic for a sec.   So AUP. 1) helped his friend out, 2) had his writing critiqued by a college level instructor and praised as an example and c)  got a warm fuzzy feeling about the whole deal which is always nice . now Notwithstanding the fact that this chick later drowned a mouse in the shitter (keep up people )  This is the Feel Good Post of the week.

 
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« Reply #67 on: February 28, 2007, 01:30:01 PM »
I don't see my initial post as being totally unrelated in the least. 

ACinKC, am I supposed to be frightened? 

Benj can say that his roommate has written something boring, and can proudly state how he ignored his neighbor, yet it is I who tears into people.  So, since Benj has done something good, he isn't being critical calling his roommate's piece boring, in fact I think there was another descriptive word in front of boring.

Then of course, there are the people here that can accuse Benj of plaigarism or being a cheater, and I've not even commented on that.  While another condones his actions as he has done group work in shcool and things it's great to help others.  Well, if the professor has asked that you do group work, then doing group work would be fine, but if the professor has not asked for a group project, then getting someone to write your paper would be cheating.  So, I guess I'd have to say that your roommate is the one that cheated.  Now she did have your permission to use your words, but I'm guessing she didn't give you credit in her paper, is that plaigarism, well according to the dictionary it is.  Is this on topic enough for those of you in the topic police?

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« Reply #68 on: February 28, 2007, 01:32:47 PM »
now Notwithstanding the fact that this chick later drowned a mouse in the shitter (keep up people )  This is the Feel Good Post of the week.

I actually have the video where she's drowning the mouse, and you can hear my girlish screams of horror.

And I don't know why last night's video got the sound knocked out of synch.  It played back totally fine on my computer.  Odd.

But yes... it was truly horrifying.  She held it down with a broom.
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« Reply #69 on: February 28, 2007, 02:00:51 PM »
For Gods sake Man.... TUBE IT !!!!   
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« Reply #70 on: February 28, 2007, 02:21:38 PM »
I don't see my initial post as being totally unrelated in the least. 

You made a vague (at best) connection between a headline written for someone else and a previous post of benj's in which he described an incident in which an uninvited guest dropped in without the courtesy of calling beforehand.  No one said his drop-in friend should be crucified, some just agreed we don't like people to visit us without calling ahead to see if we'd like company.  Is that so bad? 

The "uninvited guest" post/thread is totally unrelated to this thread.  You are inferring something about benj based on these 2 posts, which is your prerogative, but there was no need for you to link them in this thread. 

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Benj can say that his roommate has written something boring, and can proudly state how he ignored his neighbor,

So benj is a mean, uncaring person? 

Liz probably agrees her piece was boring.  You seem to think benj let down someone in need or betrayed his drop-in friend when there is no reason to draw such conclusions.  You link this thread and the drop-in thread and compare benj's headline, written for Liz, and benj's behavior toward the uninvited friend as proving a point.   This is the type of conjecture one doesn't need to post because it is a personal attack. 

I am not criticizing linking 2 different topics to draw a conclusion, I simply think such conclusions should remain personal or be expressed privately.  Personal criticism isn't suitable for a public thread.  As in any public place, one's reactions to other people vary from person to person but to maintain civility one doesn't publicly express disdain for another.  One keeps it to oneself or shares it with friends, and may even tell the offending person one to one, but that's as far as one should go.

If benj were writing racist or sexist or heterophobic posts I might jump in with my opinion of his views, but then the argument would be about thoughts and beliefs, not personal characteriscs. 

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« Reply #71 on: February 28, 2007, 02:32:52 PM »
Thanks, Boo!

Actually, she described the piece she wrote as "completely fucking boring."  But whatever.

I have to sign off for a minute.

This unbelievable jackass has to do his taxes.  And Liz's.

For free.

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« Reply #72 on: February 28, 2007, 03:08:02 PM »
I don't see my initial post as being totally unrelated in the least. 

ACinKC, am I supposed to be frightened? 

Benj can say that his roommate has written something boring, and can proudly state how he ignored his neighbor, yet it is I who tears into people.  So, since Benj has done something good, he isn't being critical calling his roommate's piece boring, in fact I think there was another descriptive word in front of boring.

Then of course, there are the people here that can accuse Benj of plaigarism or being a cheater, and I've not even commented on that.  While another condones his actions as he has done group work in shcool and things it's great to help others.  Well, if the professor has asked that you do group work, then doing group work would be fine, but if the professor has not asked for a group project, then getting someone to write your paper would be cheating.  So, I guess I'd have to say that your roommate is the one that cheated.  Now she did have your permission to use your words, but I'm guessing she didn't give you credit in her paper, is that plaigarism, well according to the dictionary it is.  Is this on topic enough for those of you in the topic police?

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Yes you should be afraid!  (not sure where that came from but i'll play along.)  YOU SHOULD BE VERY AFRAID!


You were just rude thats all.  Its ok to be rude.  Benj has done it and I have done it and now, so have you.  So lets just get past this little tiff, it really is doing no good.  We can all unbunch the panties and start again by telling The pointed one how brilliant his writing was and CONGRATS on the commendations from the esteemed Professor.  (Is this a professor at a nationally ranked and recognized school?  One ponders....)

The illiteracy police are mostly satisfied.   Would have to give you an overall grade of B though.  Due to a couple of spelling errors in paragraph 2.  But your penmanship and your articulated thought process is very well developed. 
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« Reply #73 on: February 28, 2007, 04:24:31 PM »

I thought this particular pissing-match had come to an end earlier. Guess I was wrong.

I'm not wrong now though, because this thread is now locked.

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HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

 


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