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« on: July 19, 2007, 06:28:00 PM »
 hi, im from Turkey, about 7 days ago (at 14.7.2007) i had a realition with a girl who works in a whorehouse, and she did blowjob to me a few seconds ( about 30-40 seconds) then i used a condom before intercourse (vagina) and there was no kissing, no hot touches etc.
as i remember the condom was not broken, but im still feeling so bad myself, because im married and i had never had realition like that before in my life. Now i have so much fears to touch my wife, and i want to get HIV test, but as soon as possible to know earlier.
1. i dont know if i got infected by HIV

2. at which day i have to get PROVIRAL DNA TEST     ( 10th day?)

3. PROVIRAL DNA TEST is conclusive if i will get NEGATIVE solution from this test?

sorry for my bad english but i though i have to write here, because most of Turkish doctors are not educated about these items.

best reagrds, thank u very much for helps beforehand,

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Re: please help and inform me
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2007, 06:39:37 PM »
You don't need to test period. You had protected sex. We can't help you with your guilt issues.

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« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2007, 06:53:32 PM »
thank u very much for ur advice, i hope i can manage to period of my fears,

ur words are so clear i think, but i have to try stop my fears in my mind i think, so maybe
i will need a test to stop my guilty issues.

i dont know really what will i have to do,

anyway, thank u very much for ur advice,

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« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2007, 06:09:24 AM »
gem,

DNA testing is NOT approved for hiv diagnosis. Don't waste your money on this test.

As Rodney says, you don't need to test over this incident. Getting a blowjob, with or without a condom, is NOT a risk for hiv infection. Not one person has EVER been infected through getting a blowjob and you will not be the first.

Protected vaginal intercourse is also not a risk for hiv infection. Condoms have been proven to prevent hiv infection.

You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL sexually transmitted infections together. To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with an STI. Sex with a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.

Have a look through all three condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.

While you do NOT need to test over the incident with a sex worker, anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results. Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!

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« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2007, 11:39:22 AM »
 thank u very much for ur advices also Ann,

i hope u will understand me and my bad feelings, but now im feeling better, but i really want to break up my fears,
but it is not easy for me, it is the first and i hope it will be the last intercourse except for my wife,
and i dont know if i can success on the sex with my wife again before getting any negative test result, thats why i always insist on the PROVİRAL DNA TEST at the 10th day .

i hope i will not disturb u anymore, after get ur new replies,

thanks for ur help,

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« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2007, 11:55:32 AM »
Gem, as you have already been told  you don't need to test. Condoms provide very effective protection against HIV transmission. Just because you feel guilty about having strayed doesn't change the HIV science-based reality that you weren't at risk.

Also, you need to know the DNA test, because of it's high level of sensitiivty, can sometimes yield a FALSE positive. So in a sense you're looking for trouble by doing that kind of test. The standard Elisa at 13 weeks is the thing to do if you need the inevitable negative result to ease your mind.

Guilt is a whole other matter. You can't undo having strayed. What you can do is see it clearly, take a breath and let it go. That's the most loving thing you can do for your wife and for yourself.

This is NOT an HIV situation. Period.

Cheers,
Andy Velez

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Re: please help and inform me
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2007, 09:25:12 AM »
Hi, Andy
thank u very much for ur reply also,
im trying to belive ur words certainly, but as u can know (i hope) the worries begin to manage my brain and
also my life, and i know u always try to help us. but i read in net " condoms are not  100 % reliable even if it werent
broken during intrcourse, and it makes me scared again and again,
i think i have to stop read something in net.
i really wanna know that , my situation doesnt have any RISK for HIV.

sorry about my stupid worries, BUT i havent been manage my brain.
thanks,

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Re: please help and inform me
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2007, 12:44:33 PM »
The reason stated for condoms not being 100% is because the manufacture cannot rely on your consistant use, that you use them correctly. As in reference to the manufacturing process that are 100% reliable, the rest is up to you to keep them that way.

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« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2007, 09:03:49 AM »
 Thank u very much ,

do all of u think that, i dont need to get HIV test?  am i right?

thanks, sorry, im not stupid but so much worried,

thx.

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Re: please help and inform me
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2007, 11:47:14 AM »
gemre, reread the replies you have been given. You did not have a risk and there is no need to test.

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« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2007, 12:37:16 PM »
I don't see any need for HIV testing. You used a condom for intercourse which is exactly what you're supposed to do. They provide very effective protection, including for straying, anxious husbands.

Guilt is a whole other matter. You can't undo what's done. You're a dog like the rest of us and you went straying. Accept that, take a breath and let it go. Guilt is poisonous in a relationship. The best thing you can do for all concerned is to let go of this and get on with your life.

And make sure that if you find yourself in such a situation again you always wear a condom. No exceptions.

This is NOT an HIV situation. It's a guilt situation.
Andy Velez

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Re: please help and inform me
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2007, 10:24:58 AM »
 :) Hi, friends

 First of all, tahank u very much for all of u,

 I got PCR / DNA test result at 14th day

 and they say that it is (-) NEGATİVE

 i hope it is conclusive result,  i know the PCR can yield FALSE POZİTİVE from ur words.

but i think NEGATİVE is CONCLUSIVE?

thank u very much for all u

u are really great persons,

i hopr i will not find myself indicent like that again..

it was so troubles times, for me, and also guilty....

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« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2007, 10:39:20 AM »
gem,

You are conclusively hiv negative - you didn't have a risk in the first place.

However, if you did have a risk, only a three month negative ELISA result is conclusive. PCR DNA tests are not diagnostic tests.

You ARE hiv negative. Keep using those condoms and you'll remain hiv negative.

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« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2007, 11:24:33 AM »
OK, thanks Ann, but

if PCR/DNA is not a conclusive test, why this test use for HIV and what does that mean NEGATIVE in DNA PCR test?

it is so diffucult to understand.

thanks

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« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2007, 03:40:58 PM »
Gem,

Read our Welcome Thread like you're supposed to and follow the link to the Testing Lesson and read it. The answers you seek are there.

You did not have a risk. The PCR test found no hiv in your blood and under these circumstances, it means you are hiv negative. Period. End of story.

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Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2007, 10:48:52 AM »
 hi,

i know u will say that i didnt have any risk at the begining of my indicent,
but i didnt feel enough well myself and i got tested again at 28th day
vidas hiv duo test ( p24 antigen+ anti HIV) and it came back again NEGATIVE result

i hope im conclusively negative, otherwise i think im going to get test every week,
 because im feeling really bad sometimes, and i wanna be sure about my situation.

thanks,

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« Reply #16 on: August 15, 2007, 11:17:07 AM »
Gem, you can test every week until they finish the Florida 2000 election recount and it's not going to change anything. You're HIV negative. Period. End of story.

Your concern is all about feelings and not facts. You're worried, you're guilty and and anxious. None of that is grounded of course in HIV science. You'd be better off seeing a counselor or other such profesisonal to talk about what's really driving this situation emotionally rather than feeding your fears by testing and re-testing.

 
Andy Velez

Offline gemre

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« Reply #17 on: August 15, 2007, 12:11:19 PM »
thank u very much Andy,

i hope u understand me why im feeling like that, because u always recomended only 13th week test is conclusive,
so i  never forget 13th week in my mind even if i got test results (Proviral DNA PCR at 14 th day and also Vidas Hiv Duo at 28th day)

"(13th week is only conclusive result )" this sentence always keep me in worries, and makes me always suspicious, thats all

thank u very much, and i know that also, u will say again "yes gem, only 13th week test is conclusive",

u see , it is my matrix without solution for my worries
thanks

Offline gemre

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« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2007, 09:06:37 AM »
Hi again, U are so nice and helpful persons,

First of all, I have to say that i really wanna introduce and meet to all of u and say my THANKS face to face , if it is possible,

Anyway, I got new test (Anti-Hiv ELFA  1/2) again  at 7 week after possible exposure, and it came back again (-) Negative,
and I think it is realiable for me because Im not a drug user or getting chemoteraphy drugs also for cancer. I  dont know it is the reliable test i mean (ELFA test), but i think i already began to peace with my mind about my fears..

By the way, i read many things about HIV and Transmission, Tests, Condoms etc. so I will try to help people around me ..

So i dont need any further testing  again, and im sure the seroconversation time will reduce to 6 weeks with new generation test..

Thank u very much, for ur all helps....

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« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2007, 10:08:57 AM »
gem,

Your result is reliable AND conclusive. You did NOT have a risk to begin with. You ARE hiv negative.

Keep using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will continue to avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!

Ann
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Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2008, 07:44:58 AM »
dear sirs,

last week, about 5 days ago, i went to a doctor who is expert for the hemorrhoids, and i had a small external hemorrhoid, and
first he gave an injection for local anaesthesia, and then cut there with a lancet and the end he pressed there and let the blood coming out , like as pimple, and now im feeling better from hemorrhoid but i dont know if he used the clean lancet etc.  so im affraid if he used it before me on somebody else, and so am i under the risk of HIV? and Do i need to get HIV test?
thank u very much ,

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« Reply #21 on: August 19, 2008, 07:54:36 AM »
gemre,

I've merged your new thread into your original thread - where you should post all your additional thoughts or questions. It helps us to help you when you keep all your additional thoughts or questions in one thread.

If you need help finding your thread when you come here, click on the "Show own posts" link under your name in the left-hand column of any forum page.

Please also read through the Welcome Thread so you can familiarize yourself with our Forum Posting Guidelines. Thank you for your cooperation.

Of course your doctor used a clean lancet. Doctors aren't in the business of makiing people ill.

Even if it had been used on someone else, it wouldn't have put you at risk for hiv.

NO RISK.

Ann
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HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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« Reply #22 on: August 19, 2008, 08:04:46 AM »
thank u very much Ann,

u make me feel so good, but i dont understand that u always recommended that "dont use the same injector, and also i read many things and advices about "dont share some tools like as razor blade etc."  but u said that "even if it had been used on somebody else, it wouldnt have put you at risk for HIV"  , i belive u, but is it different situation from the sharing injector or blade?
thank you very much

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« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2008, 10:16:08 AM »
gemre,

A lancet is a single blade. If there was any blood on it, it would have been exposed to the environment unlike blood in the hollow tube of a needle. Hiv is NOT transmitted from surfaces in the environment. Shaving razors have never been proven to transmit hiv.

But this is a pointless discussion anyway. The doctor would NOT have used a lancet on you that wasn't new or sterilized. Believe it.

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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2008, 07:09:21 AM »
thank u very much for ur understanding,

just i wanna ask that also; when the doctor using his finger with gloves (pressing hemorrhoid and make the blood going out) , i dont know if he used the same gloves on somebody before me, is this a risk also for HIV?

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« Reply #25 on: August 20, 2008, 07:33:45 AM »
gemre,

You need to understand that doctors do not re-use medical equipment. They either use disposable things or the equipment is sterilized between uses.

If you have further questions about your doctor's treatment of you, you need to ask the doctor. If you keep posting about this here instead of talking to the doctor, you will be given a time out.

Please consider yourself warned.

Ann
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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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« Reply #26 on: August 21, 2008, 11:03:19 AM »
okey, thank u very much for ur kindly warning,
but i can not manage my brain i think again like as last year,
i dont know still , do i have to get the test or not ?

anyway, thank u very much for ur help, i will not disturb u again,

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« Reply #27 on: August 27, 2008, 06:33:34 AM »
dear experts,

i got PCR DNA (Hiv 1 proviral DNA) test at 8th day after this incident,
and it came back negative, am i hiv - (hiv negative) still? or i need to get any more test?

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« Reply #28 on: August 27, 2008, 08:20:41 AM »
Your testing negative is no surprise. You never needed to test in the first place. You are HIV negative. Period. No further testing is necessary.
Andy Velez

 


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