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Offline Val

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Re: Someone you know will die...
« Reply #50 on: February 21, 2007, 12:53:50 PM »
""Wanna fuck?""

That would be my question to him 'cause he must be damn sexy this God!

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The word comes from the Greek words φως phos ("light"), and γραφίς graphis ("stylus", "paintbrush") or γραφή graphê, together meaning "drawing with light" or "representation by means of lines".

Offline skeebo1969

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Re: Someone you know will die...
« Reply #51 on: February 21, 2007, 12:58:53 PM »



  Do people really die if you do not know they've died? 

 
I despise the song Love is in the Air, you should too.

Offline Maestro

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Re: Someone you know will die...
« Reply #52 on: February 21, 2007, 03:06:52 PM »
My dog has personality.  Does that mean he has a soul too?

Once a year I teach evolution to 9th graders.  I approach it like this: I start by describing evolutionary process stricly among non-humans.  Once I have them all in agreement that this is the way of things, I introduce primates and humans...And then the fireworks really fly!  Someone always says, "We didn't come from monkeys!"  At which time I have to explain that is not what evolution says, but rather that we share a common ancestor...Somehow, that doesn't go over all that well either!

And for some reason, I try all over again the next year.

If you want to be entertained, watch "Inherit The Wind"  (the old version).  The actual facts of the trial and participants are way off, but it is still interesting.  Check wikipedia for the Scopes Trial to get all the facts.

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Offline ACinKC

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Re: Someone you know will die...
« Reply #53 on: February 21, 2007, 03:14:36 PM »
My question....I'd look at him, give the "whassup" nod, and inquiring subtly while pointing back and forth between us,  "Dude, we cool?"

Would give me ALL the answers I need.
LIFE is not a race to the grave with the intention of arriving safely
in a pretty and well-preserved body, but, rather to skid in broadside,
thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming--WOW! WHAT A
RIDE!!!

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Re: Someone you know will die...
« Reply #54 on: February 21, 2007, 03:36:26 PM »

Anyway, one question for all of you cept Matty (cause i thinks i know his answer) a Joan Osbourn song got me thinking once.  If god was sitting next to you on a bus and you could ask him one question what would it be?  (I shall reveal my revelational question later today)


Could you please give Matty a BETTER sense of humor and get him to lighten up a bit?

That would be my question, then it would be "Wanna Fuck and can Val join us?"

Pass the Peyote!
« Last Edit: February 21, 2007, 03:40:34 PM by RevMC »
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Re: Someone you know will die...
« Reply #55 on: February 21, 2007, 03:39:03 PM »
What if you are the only being that exists and this is all just a dream?  None of this is real.
Part of my story: "Sale Of A Lifetime" POZ December 2003
http://www.poz.com/articles/172_752.shtml

Started on Truvada and Viramune on 2/15/07

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Re: Someone you know will die...
« Reply #56 on: February 21, 2007, 03:40:05 PM »
You only get one Rev.
LIFE is not a race to the grave with the intention of arriving safely
in a pretty and well-preserved body, but, rather to skid in broadside,
thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming--WOW! WHAT A
RIDE!!!

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Re: Someone you know will die...
« Reply #57 on: February 21, 2007, 03:43:23 PM »
I'd Ask:

"God can you please give Matty a BETTER sense of humor so that Val and I can molest you?"
Part of my story: "Sale Of A Lifetime" POZ December 2003
http://www.poz.com/articles/172_752.shtml

Started on Truvada and Viramune on 2/15/07

Jan 8, 2007   t-cells 215  Viral Load 10,000  24%
March 26'th  T-cells 306   Viral Load  UNDETECTABLE
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August 2007 t-cells 290 Viral Load UNDETECTABLE



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Re: Someone you know will die...
« Reply #58 on: February 21, 2007, 03:43:54 PM »
Could you please give Matty a BETTER sense of humor and get him to lighten up a bit?

That would be my question, then it would be "Wanna Fuck and can Val join us?"

Pass the Peyote!

Believe you me...Matty gets the joke.

Offline thunter34

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Re: Someone you know will die...
« Reply #59 on: February 21, 2007, 03:45:21 PM »
I'm still wondering how what the spiritual define as the ''soul'' of a person is defined/explained by the non-spiritual.  Like what makes up the insubstantial parts Matty mentioned.  What about love, hate, bonding, etc...the essence of people?  The intangible parts?
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Offline ACinKC

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Re: Someone you know will die...
« Reply #60 on: February 21, 2007, 03:48:13 PM »
I'm still wondering how what the spiritual define as the ''soul'' of a person is defined/explained by the non-spiritual.  Like what makes up the insubstantial parts Matty mentioned.  What about love, hate, bonding, etc...the essence of people?  The intangible parts?

Chemicals released in the brain as well as the electrical activity of the brain.  Emotions are quite tangible in that respect.
LIFE is not a race to the grave with the intention of arriving safely
in a pretty and well-preserved body, but, rather to skid in broadside,
thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming--WOW! WHAT A
RIDE!!!

Offline Dachshund

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Re: Someone you know will die...
« Reply #61 on: February 21, 2007, 03:53:38 PM »
I'm still wondering how what the spiritual define as the ''soul'' of a person is defined/explained by the non-spiritual.  Like what makes up the insubstantial parts Matty mentioned.  What about love, hate, bonding, etc...the essence of people?  The intangible parts?


What makes up the insubstantial parts? We do.

Offline skeebo1969

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Re: Someone you know will die...
« Reply #62 on: February 21, 2007, 04:14:33 PM »


  I would ask him just one question...  Why can't my daughters always stay 4 and never take me through the dreaded teenage years?  I have a 4 year old angel and a 15 year old who I think needs an exorcism performed on her...
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Offline thunter34

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Re: Someone you know will die...
« Reply #63 on: February 21, 2007, 04:17:55 PM »
Chemicals released in the brain as well as the electrical activity of the brain.  Emotions are quite tangible in that respect.


So everything from your relationship with your wife to the grieving for a lost child or parent amounts to nothing more than just simple electrical impulses?  I should just buy an nice assortment of vibrators then and be done with it.
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Offline aupointillimite

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Re: Someone you know will die...
« Reply #64 on: February 21, 2007, 04:33:05 PM »

So everything from your relationship with your wife to the grieving for a lost child or parent amounts to nothing more than just simple electrical impulses?  I should just buy an nice assortment of vibrators then and be done with it.

Just because something is explainable doesn't make it any less awe-inspiring.

The numinous doesn't lie completely in the realm of the mysterious.
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Offline ACinKC

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Re: Someone you know will die...
« Reply #65 on: February 21, 2007, 04:39:44 PM »

So everything from your relationship with your wife to the grieving for a lost child or parent amounts to nothing more than just simple electrical impulses?  I should just buy an nice assortment of vibrators then and be done with it.

When you break it down yeah.  Just like when you break down the most beautiful sunset over the ocean you have ever seen.  The water is simply Hydrogen and Oxygen.  The atmosphere is what causes the coloration, thats nitrogen, carbon dioxide, hydrogen, etc.  And then you have the sun, which im sure is mostly Hydrogen.  Doesnt seem quite so pretty when you think of it that way, but it is what it is.  how you VIEW it is different.

Do you see the difference?
LIFE is not a race to the grave with the intention of arriving safely
in a pretty and well-preserved body, but, rather to skid in broadside,
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RIDE!!!

Offline ACinKC

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Re: Someone you know will die...
« Reply #66 on: February 21, 2007, 04:40:44 PM »
Just because something is explainable doesn't make it any less awe-inspiring.

The numinous doesn't lie completely in the realm of the mysterious.

EXCELLENT POINTS!

Aurora Borealis was a "mystical light" of the north for many years, till it was explained.  It's still GORGEOUS!

The Grand Canyon is a big fucking HOLE made by water.  Still AMAZING.
LIFE is not a race to the grave with the intention of arriving safely
in a pretty and well-preserved body, but, rather to skid in broadside,
thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming--WOW! WHAT A
RIDE!!!

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Re: Someone you know will die...
« Reply #67 on: February 21, 2007, 11:10:26 PM »
Just because something is explainable doesn't make it any less awe-inspiring.

The numinous doesn't lie completely in the realm of the mysterious.

You get hotter every day.
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Offline thunter34

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Re: Someone you know will die...
« Reply #68 on: February 21, 2007, 11:16:57 PM »
When you break it down yeah.  Just like when you break down the most beautiful sunset over the ocean you have ever seen.  The water is simply Hydrogen and Oxygen.  The atmosphere is what causes the coloration, thats nitrogen, carbon dioxide, hydrogen, etc.  And then you have the sun, which im sure is mostly Hydrogen.  Doesnt seem quite so pretty when you think of it that way, but it is what it is.  how you VIEW it is different.

Do you see the difference?

Gotcha.  That's the sort of description I was looking for. 
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Re: Someone you know will die...
« Reply #69 on: February 22, 2007, 02:27:33 AM »
Put me in the pagan camp. I've had experiences that personally have proven to me beyond all shadow of any doubt that we have an existence outside of our bodies. I've had an NDE and described things to the nurses later that occurred when they were trying to get my heartbeat back. I saw it.

I could (and have before) go on with other examples. But I trust what I have lived through, and for me that suffices quite nicely.

Brent
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Re: Someone you know will die...
« Reply #70 on: February 22, 2007, 02:32:52 AM »
I know enough to know I don't know shit.

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Re: Someone you know will die...
« Reply #71 on: February 22, 2007, 02:42:51 AM »
Well, isn't this thread just chipper?

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Re: Someone you know will die...
« Reply #72 on: February 22, 2007, 04:02:39 AM »
Why cast pearls before swine? ~shrug~

Excellent, Ann! I ask myself the same thing (more and more it seems).

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Re: Someone you know will die...
« Reply #73 on: February 22, 2007, 05:16:20 AM »
I know enough to know I don't know shit.

:)

Ahh our dear Jonathan's own eloquent translation of the fantabulous Socrates:

"The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing."

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Re: Someone you know will die...
« Reply #74 on: February 22, 2007, 01:10:47 PM »
Ahh our dear Jonathan's own eloquent translation of the fantabulous Socrates:

"The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing."

 :-*

Hmm... I dunno about that! ;D
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« Reply #75 on: February 22, 2007, 07:52:40 PM »
Tynwald, dear, it's Tynwald. The oldest continuous parliament in the world.

Point taken on spelling my beloved, but the oldest continous parliament in the world is the Icelandic one, the Althing. ;)

As for the substantive matter to hand in this thread, Matty the Damned will answer all questions shortly. He's just a bit pre-occupied with a stupid state election thing. Let me tell ya kids, democracy is a fuckin' joke.

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Re: Someone you know will die...
« Reply #76 on: February 22, 2007, 09:01:49 PM »
matty? i dont know of any democracy
 existing on the planet earth today, can you giive an example?
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Re: Someone you know will die...
« Reply #77 on: February 23, 2007, 01:54:46 AM »
matty? i dont know of any democracy
 existing on the planet earth today, can you giive an example?
~jordon


Oh no you don't, my lovely. This thread is already replete thorny issues. You're not gonna get Matty the Damned's finger prints on the "True Nature of Democracy" train-wreck.

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Re: Someone you know will die...
« Reply #78 on: February 23, 2007, 12:11:30 PM »
Tynwald, dear, it's Tynwald. The oldest continuous parliament in the world.

Point taken on spelling my beloved, but the oldest continous parliament in the world is the Icelandic one, the Althing. ;)


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No, sorry darling, it isn't. Tynwald is the oldest continuous parliament in the world, not the Althing. The Althing was established in 930, but discontinued in 1799 (some say 1800) and restored in 1844. Tynwald was established in 979 and has continued uninterrupted since that time.

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Re: Someone you know will die...
« Reply #79 on: February 23, 2007, 04:25:40 PM »
No, sorry darling, it isn't. Tynwald is the oldest continuous parliament in the world, not the Althing. The Althing was established in 930, but discontinued in 1799 (some say 1800) and restored in 1844. Tynwald was established in 979 and has continued uninterrupted since that time.

Bah! Sounds like Manx Tourism Board propaganda to Matty the Damned. :P

Anyways, aren't you the people who cut tails off cats? ;D

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« Reply #80 on: February 23, 2007, 04:54:05 PM »
No, sorry darling, it isn't. Tynwald is the oldest continuous parliament in the world, not the Althing. The Althing was established in 930, but discontinued in 1799 (some say 1800) and restored in 1844. Tynwald was established in 979 and has continued uninterrupted since that time.

Bah! Sounds like Manx Tourism Board propaganda to Matty the Damned. :P


The tourism board doesn't mention it often. Maybe they should?


Anyways, aren't you the people who cut tails off cats? ;D

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Nope, they're born like that.



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HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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« Reply #81 on: February 23, 2007, 04:56:14 PM »
The tourism board doesn't mention it often. Maybe they should?

Nope, they're born like that.



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Do you know how many people I've had to convince that Megatron (our Manx catchild) came like that?

"Dude, what the fuck did you do to your cat?"

What do they think?

"Well, when he was a kitten, we decided his tail didn't aesthetically enhance his little kitty ass, so we held him down and hacked it off."
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Re: Someone you know will die...
« Reply #82 on: February 23, 2007, 04:59:33 PM »
"Well, when he was a kitten, we decided his tail didn't aesthetically enhance his little kitty ass, so we held him down and hacked it off."

I think Manx cats traded their tails in so that Republicans can grow their own.
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« Reply #83 on: February 23, 2007, 05:19:34 PM »
Well Matty the Damned ain't convinced. He can picture Ann wielding a cleaver with maniacal glee as she mutiliates pussies the length and breadth of the Isle of Man. I've no doubt she rounds them up with a birch. I mean look at the expression on that cats face.

To call the brute "surprised" would not do it justice.

Similarly, I'm still not convinced about the Tynwald vs Althing situation. I mean I know the Manx claim their idiosyncratic Isle to be a "separate country" but it's really not. From what I can gather It's kind of like Wales. Just not as ghastly. Iceland is a nation-state, on the other hand.

So the question is, whether or not the Tynwald is in fact a legislature or just an inbreed gabfest that's gone on for 1000 years too long?

;D

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« Reply #84 on: February 23, 2007, 05:22:24 PM »
Well Matty the Damned ain't convinced. He can picture Ann wielding a cleaver with maniacal glee as she mutiliates pussies the length and breadth of the Isle of Man. I've no doubt she rounds them up with a birch. I mean look at the expression on that cats face.

Pussy Mutilator would be an awesome, awesome band name.
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