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Author Topic: How do you know if you are being cheated on??  (Read 10120 times)

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Offline DanielMark

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Re: How do you know if you are being cheated on??
« Reply #50 on: February 19, 2007, 09:59:08 AM »
when you don't listen to that, it will tap you on the shoulder, when that doesn't work, it will slap you upside your head



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Offline ACinKC

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Re: How do you know if you are being cheated on??
« Reply #51 on: February 19, 2007, 10:07:24 AM »
The little machine TELLS you so.... Thats how you know!

LIFE is not a race to the grave with the intention of arriving safely
in a pretty and well-preserved body, but, rather to skid in broadside,
thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming--WOW! WHAT A
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Offline fondeveau

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Re: How do you know if you are being cheated on??
« Reply #52 on: February 19, 2007, 12:20:03 PM »
"und wie geht es dem SexualLeben?"

"bei mir, geht es ganz gut, aber wie es allerdings bei meinem Mann geht, weiss ich nicht.  Er erzahlt mir ja nie etwas...:

You have the above conversation, perhaps in your native tongue, with your doctor.

"And how is your sex life?"

"Mine is just fine, but how my husband's is, I don't know.  He never tells me anything."

Offline mjmel

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Re: How do you know if you are being cheated on??
« Reply #53 on: February 19, 2007, 12:40:05 PM »
Now, ryeguy, look what you've gone n done! Opened up a whole buncha ideas, haven't ya? 
Got a clue now?  ;)

Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: How do you know if you are being cheated on??
« Reply #54 on: February 19, 2007, 01:33:06 PM »
All the same guy.  Can you say co-dependent or just plain fucking dumb!

Woods

I'd probably select "dumb" if you won't hold that against me.  I'm sure you've become smarter now though.
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Offline aupointillimite

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Re: How do you know if you are being cheated on??
« Reply #55 on: February 19, 2007, 01:51:34 PM »
Odd that nobody here seems to admit to being a cheater themselves.  It's like a group of gay Mother Teresa's.

I did.

I might be a horrible, horrible person... but at least I own it. 
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Offline AustinWesley

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Re: How do you know if you are being cheated on??
« Reply #56 on: February 19, 2007, 03:23:11 PM »
Hmm,

I wasn't gona share this, but I found out my first boyfriend I was living with was cheating on me when I had to pick him up from jail for soliciting a male prostitute.

Turned out while I worked two jobs and went to school he had all sorts of extra curricular activities.

I was completely devastated from that event and I would never cheat on a partner.

Wesley

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Offline Longislander

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Re: How do you know if you are being cheated on??
« Reply #57 on: February 19, 2007, 03:29:13 PM »
she's talking to a guy at the curb when you come to pick her up. She says he was just selling something and he stopped because she was waiting at the end of her driveway.

Then you go to surprise her and her GF at the club they were going to a week or so later, and you find your GF in that very same guys car in the parking lot!! lol
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Offline poet

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Re: How do you know if you are being cheated on??
« Reply #58 on: February 19, 2007, 04:03:17 PM »
1)You are in his apartment because you live in CT and he lives in NYC and you notice on his calendar that he has dates marked for weeknights when you are not around.  2) You find, while you are cleaning his apartment, the personal letters sent in reply to his personal ad. in the New York NATIVE which are marked when he met them (of course during your relationship with him).  3) You decide to stay over in his NYC apartment because it's really late for a train back to CT and, late into the night, he returns with a microwave and someone to help him with that and other things.  4) You get to meet  all his ex's at a dinner party for which you have done the cooking and compare notes.  Win
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Offline ACinKC

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Re: How do you know if you are being cheated on??
« Reply #59 on: February 19, 2007, 05:19:59 PM »
I did.

I might be a horrible, horrible person... but at least I own it. 

Ditto for me!  Total whore bag during the first marriage!  Reformed since then!  I am who I am.  And most of it was fun, not morally correct but then again, what is anymore?!?!?
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Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: How do you know if you are being cheated on??
« Reply #60 on: February 19, 2007, 07:39:28 PM »
Hmm,

I wasn't gona share this, but I found out my first boyfriend I was living with was cheating on me when I had to pick him up from jail for soliciting a male prostitute.

Well, you could have just left him there.
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Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: How do you know if you are being cheated on??
« Reply #61 on: February 19, 2007, 07:41:08 PM »
Ditto for me!  Total whore bag during the first marriage!  Reformed since then!  I am who I am.  And most of it was fun, not morally correct but then again, what is anymore?!?!?

I cheat on your wife every time you take a 12-inch cock up your ass, even if she's approved! :)
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Offline aupointillimite

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Re: How do you know if you are being cheated on??
« Reply #62 on: February 19, 2007, 07:47:01 PM »
And most of it was fun, not morally correct but then again, what is anymore?!?!?

You know... I've been racking my brains trying to think of something... and I can't.

Fun and yet moral?  Icky.

Sounds like a church picnic.
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Offline dtwpuck

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Re: How do you know if you are being cheated on??
« Reply #63 on: February 19, 2007, 08:26:10 PM »
I have certainly been the cheater more times than the reverse.  Not proud of it, but I've always been honest about it.   However, in a very big irony, and a deserved one I might add, I was cheated on when I was being monogamous ... and it hurt a lot.  So, live and learn and forgive because I simply am no better than what I was being hurt by.  Just because it wasn't with the same person... 

This is basically why I know how to tell if someone is cheating. 
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Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: How do you know if you are being cheated on??
« Reply #64 on: February 19, 2007, 08:32:32 PM »
Oh... cuter pic puck... love the tats.  And all this time you were hiding yourself.

Anway, at least you are honest.  I'd have no problem with it as long as you still ended up in my bed every night.  But yeah, that double standard you described was tired... and kind of selfish.  I hope you don't take that offensively.
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Offline ryeguy

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Re: How do you know if you are being cheated on??
« Reply #65 on: February 19, 2007, 08:33:40 PM »
thanks everyone.

He was not cheating..... I was a bit stupid and he found this thread.... needless to say we talked about the whole theme.

There were tears.... we understand each other better now and I cannot talk about this in any further detail as that would be a form of cheating on him.

Thankyou all.

P.S, I never thought I would get so many responses on this.

Offline dtwpuck

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Re: How do you know if you are being cheated on??
« Reply #66 on: February 19, 2007, 08:45:07 PM »
Oh... cuter pic puck... love the tats.  And all this time you were hiding yourself.

Anway, at least you are honest.  I'd have no problem with it as long as you still ended up in my bed every night.  But yeah, that double standard you described was tired... and kind of selfish.  I hope you don't take that offensively.

No offense taken Philly... I was just answering the question as asked with no real intention to hide the truth.  I make absolutely no claims that I am any good at relationships with the exception that I make a terrible liar especially as I get older and more aware of others' feelings.
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Offline dtwpuck

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Re: How do you know if you are being cheated on??
« Reply #67 on: February 19, 2007, 08:45:50 PM »
thanks everyone.

He was not cheating..... I was a bit stupid and he found this thread.... needless to say we talked about the whole theme.

There were tears.... we understand each other better now and I cannot talk about this in any further detail as that would be a form of cheating on him.

Thankyou all.

P.S, I never thought I would get so many responses on this.

Wonderful news!
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Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: How do you know if you are being cheated on??
« Reply #68 on: February 19, 2007, 08:45:58 PM »
My ex said he could always tell when I was lying too... I felt so naked.
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Offline dtwpuck

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Re: How do you know if you are being cheated on??
« Reply #69 on: February 19, 2007, 08:54:46 PM »
I figured out that the truth is much easier.  And I figured out that my own medicine is pretty damn bitter.  I don't want to cause anyone else to feel the despair and helplessness I felt because of a lie.
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Offline AustinWesley

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Re: How do you know if you are being cheated on??
« Reply #70 on: February 19, 2007, 09:09:33 PM »
Well, you could have just left him there.

LOL, Philly!  Boy after I was through with him he might have wished he'd waited it out in jail ; )   Had I known that ahead of time I wouldn't have picked his sorry ass up!

What's worse is when your "friends" confide they also were sleeping with him or knew of his stuff after the fact.   

That was my first love.   Clearly, I have bad taste in deceptive men since I ended up here. 

But I'm not bitter, just wiser!   ; )
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Offline allopathicholistic

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Re: How do you know if you are being cheated on??
« Reply #71 on: February 19, 2007, 09:18:56 PM »
LOL, Philly!  Boy after I was through with him he might have wished he'd waited it out in jail ; )   

Whadd'ya do to him? Beat him up? Oh wait, we have to think twice about what we post here

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Re: How do you know if you are being cheated on??
« Reply #72 on: February 19, 2007, 09:23:47 PM »
Let's just say his little unfortunate incarceration didn't end up being our little secret!
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1/2/07     354    23     28,700
2/9/07     139    30     23,000  Hep A Vaccine same day???
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3/3/07    RX of Truvada/Sustiva Started.
4/5/07    321     27      Undectable 1st mo.  
5/16/07  383     28    Undectable 2nd mo.
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Offline aupointillimite

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Re: How do you know if you are being cheated on??
« Reply #73 on: February 19, 2007, 09:28:10 PM »
Let's just say his little unfortunate incarceration didn't end up being our little secret!

I would've posted a Myspace bulletin about it.
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Offline Queen Tokelove

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Re: How do you know if you are being cheated on??
« Reply #74 on: February 19, 2007, 10:00:39 PM »
Cum stains on his undies LOL!

Seriously though, you will know if he is cheating.  You'll just know.  But if you go all private detective on his ass, remember you may find things you wish you didn't.

I was gonna suggest Cheaters but doesn't know where ryeguy is from.
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Re: How do you know if you are being cheated on??
« Reply #75 on: February 19, 2007, 10:06:45 PM »
I would've posted a Myspace bulletin about it.

LOL, he's lucky Myspace wasn't around 15 years ago.   Hell I would have scanned in the police report, mug shots and hosted another party dedicated to him online. 
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6/7/06     409    27    36,100
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4/5/07    321     27      Undectable 1st mo.  
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Offline Jeff64

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Re: How do you know if you are being cheated on??
« Reply #76 on: February 19, 2007, 10:44:10 PM »
They come home with cum on their breath and wearing someone elses clothes?
Alternately, there is cum oozing out their arse and there are whip marks on their person.

Jeff...who has been cheated on but it was not that big a deal in the big picture.

Offline Queen Tokelove

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Re: How do you know if you are being cheated on??
« Reply #77 on: February 20, 2007, 02:21:18 AM »
Rye,

I am glad that because of this thread, you got to the truth. I hope that things keep getting better for you in your relationship.
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Offline aupointillimite

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Re: How do you know if you are being cheated on??
« Reply #78 on: February 20, 2007, 04:36:55 AM »
I am glad that because of this thread, you got to the truth.

Hear hear!

We did something right for a change!  Indirectly... but I think we can all proudly claim credit.   ;D
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Offline ryeguy

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Re: How do you know if you are being cheated on??
« Reply #79 on: February 20, 2007, 06:09:52 AM »
thankyou all once again:-) ;D :D ;) :-*

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Re: How do you know if you are being cheated on??
« Reply #80 on: February 20, 2007, 08:45:41 AM »
Yay! So glad your doubts were for naught, Ryeguy!

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Re: How do you know if you are being cheated on??
« Reply #81 on: February 20, 2007, 10:21:43 AM »
I dont know, but man... I think I will stay tucked away in the mountains away from all this stuff....  Isolationist type thinking I know.. A committment means something to some....

This is like a gay nightmare....  ;)

E I love you..... Give William smooches from me.   D
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Re: How do you know if you are being cheated on??
« Reply #82 on: February 20, 2007, 02:05:22 PM »
I cheat on your wife every time you take a 12-inch cock up your ass, even if she's approved! :)

HUH?  You cheat on her?
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Re: How do you know if you are being cheated on??
« Reply #83 on: February 20, 2007, 05:30:57 PM »
I meant "you" -- sorry, it's my antihistamines causing dyslexia.

Or the onset of dementia -- you choose.
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Re: How do you know if you are being cheated on??
« Reply #84 on: February 20, 2007, 05:44:37 PM »
Then I disagree!  Cheating is about lying and mistrust.  An open lifestyle (and keep in mind we arent as open as others) is just that, a lifestyle choice we make together.  And I would discontinue it in a heart beat if I thought it would come between us.

So, how do you like them apples!
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Re: How do you know if you are being cheated on??
« Reply #85 on: February 20, 2007, 11:44:39 PM »
He starts projecting by accusing you of cheating.
He starts leaving his phone in the car (when he used to always have it on him).
He calls another name out in during sex.
His sex drive makes a sudden spike or nosedive (had both happen).
Stops answering when you call (when he used to always pick up).
He starts going on lots of trips with "friends," but you're not invited.
Of course, when your gut/intuition starts sending up red flags.
He doesn't touch you the same way anymore.
Little things start cropping up that don't add up.
He suddenly starts acting like your a burden when you try to talk to him (his tone of voice, body language, etc).
Jumpy or defensive when you call in the middle of the day.
"Love is always patient and kind. It is never jealous. Love is never boastful nor conceited. It is never rude or selfish. It does not take offense and is not resentful. Love takes no pleasure in other people's sins, but delights in the truth. It is always ready to excuse, to trust, to hope, and to endure whatever comes." - 1 Corinthians 13:4-7, adaptation in A Walk To Remember

CD4: 555 / 29% / Undetectable - 7 Nov 2006
CD4: 555 / 29% / Undetectable - 5 Feb 2007

 


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