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Gastro
« on: February 14, 2007, 05:52:44 PM »
Can anyone tell me if Diverticulosis is in any way related to HIV? I had a colonoscopy and they found two small diverticula. My experience was less then two months ago. Would this even show up that early anyway.

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Re: Gastro
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2007, 05:57:58 PM »
No, it's not related. It's caused by not getting enough fibre in your diet.

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« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2007, 06:01:08 PM »
Ok thanks. My exposures were a couple orals only and I feel unlucky enough to be a rare case by getting a hummer. I did a google search for diverticulosis-hiv and all kinds of results came back. Do u think that is just people that ended up getting it that had hiv and that is why it made a report?

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« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2007, 06:05:19 PM »
You don't get hiv by receiving a blowjob. Can people with HIV get diverticulitis, mostly because that don't eat right but for the most part their problems will be diarrhea and they wish they could have a case of diverticulitis.

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Re: Gastro
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2007, 06:11:12 PM »
So its not related, some just tend to get it right? Just to ease my thoughts, in an hiv case would any symptoms other than the flu like symptoms show up within about 2 months anyway? Also is a 60 day test good for an oral exposure?

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Re: Gastro
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2007, 06:13:26 PM »
If you were the receiver of oral sex then you don't need to test.

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Re: Gastro
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2007, 06:15:33 PM »
Diverticulitis has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with HIV. Can we say it any clearer than that?

In the entire history of the epidemic there's never been a case of transmission to someone who got a blowjob. It's safe to say you aren't going to make history by becoming the first.

This is NOT an HIV situation. Period.
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Re: Gastro
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2007, 06:26:23 PM »
Appreciate it guys. So NO test except maybe for piece of mind?

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Re: Gastro
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2007, 06:30:03 PM »
It's your dollar

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Re: Gastro
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2007, 07:52:11 PM »
How about my question regarding symptoms within 2 months in my third post? Would really like to know if any other would show up that early. Also, what is the deal with the people on this site who seem to have been infected through oral? I think if I understand right they all gave except one who claimed to RECEIVE.

This isnt like the struck by lightning deal is it? Very rare, but it could happen, and then it would still be so rare to not walk around and worry about. I hear some sites view it that way. Just want to make sure the no risk statement is good, there always has to be someone who falls into rare, 0.1 percentage.

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« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2007, 08:31:32 PM »
If you have symptoms at all, they happen 2-4 weeks after infection and last 1-2 weeks. The come all at once and leave all at once. Again, you do not get infected by receiving a blowjob.

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Re: Gastro
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2007, 06:39:19 PM »
Anyone have an opinion on my last post the second paragraph? I dont understand this thinking along with sites that say the risk is estimated to be close enough to zero to not walk around and worry about. That to me just doesnt seem like to be no risk, it seems it would be very rare and people wouldnt believe you anyway if it did happen. Even here there are people making the claim and everyone doesnt believe them, all is said is that it happened some how and no sense worrying about it now. Why do all these people claiming this have to be lying, or why is it that they must have forgot another exposure?

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« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2007, 07:58:26 PM »
Lilc, we can't really analyze or account for what a very few people have said about having become infected by giving oral. What we can say is that the "evidence" has been essentially anecdotal and not subject to serious scientific scrutiny.

Without calling anyone a liar, there are factors which sometimes influence the accuracy of reports including alcohol consumption & drug use, shame about the specifics of sexual acts and/or incidents which involved sex outside a relationship.

What we can say with certainty is there have been several longterm studies of sero-discordant couples, both gay and straight. Among these couples there was both vaginal & anal intercourse consistently with condoms. There was also frequent unprotected oral. The net result has been that not a single sero-negative partner became infected.

I do think it's possible that some people have become infected by giving oral, particularly to a man. But considering how common an activity that is, the rarity of such cases means it comes down to the individual having to decide what level of risk is acceptable.

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Re: Gastro
« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2007, 08:14:31 PM »
So where do the differences really come in between giving and receiving, when both can be with contact to semen or blood, and the mouth can be of poor health as well as the penis can due to arasions, cuts, sores and the urethra right?

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« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2007, 08:34:36 PM »
If you are receiving a blowjob, you can't infect yourself. Salvia does not transmit HIV. Giving a blowjob there is a minute risk, but as time goes on you'll find that you can't get infected in that manner. The Spain studies showed were couples one positive and one negative had protected vaginal/anal sex and unprotected oral sex, that they did not contract HIV over years of the study.

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« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2007, 09:11:54 PM »
I guess what i was trying to say is, if it is possible to contract thru giving due to poor oral health and the exposure to semen or blood, and u still have the saliva there, why is it not the same if u can be infected thru the urethra or have a penis that may be not in the best of shape, and u could be exposed to a person with bleeding gums or sores like the cdc says?

Also to be infected in the urethra does somrthing justhave to enter or does it have to travel little ways in there. Is that a direct entry to he bllodstream or does there need to be a cut or something in there too?

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« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2007, 07:48:01 AM »
You're lurking in the land of of "what ifs." That's an unproductive place to hang around in, Lil.

Anything other than sex with your own hand could theoretically be risky for HIV. But in the real world of HIV through studies and experience we know that transmission happens in very specific ways. The twists and turns and variations your mind is coming up with don't change what we've learned about transmission and how it happens.

We tell you that no one has ever been documented in the entire history of the epidemic to have been infected by getting a blowjob. Uncountable trillions of blowjobs later and no documented transmissions. That doesn't seem to be good enough for you. You seem to committed to worrying you will be the one to make history.

We've told you what we know to be so. You can drag this thing around as long as you need to. There's no need for testing, but of course you can do that at 13 weeks after the most recent event if you choose to.

I can't help wondering if you have some feelings about the circumstances of the events which you're uncomfortable about. But whether that is so or not, you weren't at risk for HIV no matter what your mind continues to come up with. Really.

Andy Velez

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Re: Gastro
« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2007, 04:46:33 PM »
So the land of what ifs is in the theoretical area? If there are what ifs, my do u say no risk?

And i know u say no documented cases but isnt it hard to figure out since prob everybody has other activities also?

Or is this sites risk assesments based on the studies alone?

As far as themaking history part, i dont think that will everhappen because some who already madethe claim have been discredited or i guess not believed. Do u really bekieve that everyone who claims this has anoter exposure or doesnt want to admit to something?

I did see my doc and was told saliva usually doesnt carry enough virus but a extrem high viral load could possibly cahnge that,, and teh presence of even a minute amount of blood could be a factor. From reading here i thought it had to be alot.

One thing I forgor to add, how many people looking to get a bj are actually going to inspect someone mouth or look for bleedin gums or blood on penis.

Let me make an example, if someone gives oral with poororal health and contacts semen why does the saliva not always protect then?

And in the same case, if receiving, then why is it said salive would inhibit the virus in the blood? Shouldnt these be the same situations?
« Last Edit: February 16, 2007, 06:43:21 PM by lilc »

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Re: Gastro
« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2007, 06:43:46 PM »
Let's end this real quick. Go get tested, get your negative result and move on. We are not here to argue with you. If you knew so much you wouldn't be here to begin with.

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« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2007, 07:02:58 PM »
Sorry Rod, I'm not trying to argue or be a pain in the balls. I just don't understand the actuall thinking and reasoning behind the no risk basis if there is actully a what if and theoretical possibility.

I will take your advive and get a test as that may be the only way to solve this.

I also agrree if i did understand, then no i wouldnt be here.

Andy, im going to take rods advice, but do u have anymore views on my last post? as i said, ijust dont understand. Thanks again.
« Last Edit: February 16, 2007, 09:25:37 PM by lilc »

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Re: Gastro
« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2007, 10:51:48 PM »
You do not get HIv from getting a blowjob. Not only is saliva non-infectious, it contains upwards of a dozen proteins and enzymes which render HIV harmless.

Yes, even if the person has blood in his/her mouth. Saliva actually causes red blood cells to explode.

Thing is, it's fun to parse theory if you are a scientist. More fun still if your funding source promotes such deviation from quantified science to pursue an anti-sex agenda.

No one has become infected with HIV from getting a blowjob. And scant few people seem to have acquired the virus from giving one. Testing for the former is simply a waste of time, concern and resources. Testing for the latter is considered overkill.

Insofar as your doctor stating that the infectious qualit of saliva can change with a viral load, well, I feel bad for his patients. He is not speaking from a scientific standpoint, only from someone who does not fundamentally understand the science behind HIV infection.

"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

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Re: Gastro
« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2007, 07:14:19 PM »
Thanks JK, I take it receiving is the former right? Also, what do u mean by the dr not understanding the fundamentals?

On a seperat note, Ive read many of your posts and it seems u are very knowledgable and a great benefit to this site. I also read some of your blog, and I hope u are doing better and i wish u all the best. Thanks for your help.

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Re: Gastro
« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2007, 07:34:09 PM »
lil,

Jonathan means your doctor doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to hiv infection.

Ann
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« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2007, 08:59:14 PM »
Thanks u for answering. I have to find a way to make this stick in my head. I know the answer as u guys say but those what if fear monsters keep jumping back in my head. All I can do is reassure myself of your word and I am ok.

thanks once again

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Re: Gastro
« Reply #24 on: February 18, 2007, 05:11:25 PM »
Hey ROD, i was reading another respone of yours and you talked about fluids being forceably introduced into the urethra. So it is true that fluids need to be entered forceaby and just contacting the tip alone would not do it?

Another thing , i tried to read other threads and do research before asking. i found a couple threads i coud relate to but not sure if it is the same or not. What are the muscle aches/pains that would come with ars? Are they like just an overall feeling of weakness like when you get sick, or would they be specific to one area? mine were only in the legs/groin. they are gone now but i couldnt linkthem to any specific activity i might have done to cause them. And by the way they were on and off for about a month or so. Each would last about 2-3 days.

JK or Ann, i think i understand but to be clear, even if a person had an extreemly  high VL and bleeding gums that, putting the two together would that make a dif or are the effects of saliva still overpowering. I know this is a what if as andy said but just curious. thanks

Should there even be a what if regarding insertive oral, not speaking theoretical but actual?
« Last Edit: February 18, 2007, 05:12:58 PM by lilc »

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Re: Gastro
« Reply #25 on: February 18, 2007, 05:24:26 PM »
Fortunately feelings and what ifs are not facts. The bottom line is you weren't at risk for HIV no matter what your mind may continue to tell you to the contrary.

Go ahead and test if you must. Collect the inevitable negative result. Of course your mind may continue anyway to say HIV is your problem. That's the way the mind can be sometimes.

This is NOT an HIV situation. Period.
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Re: Gastro
« Reply #26 on: February 18, 2007, 05:44:15 PM »
thanks andy, what i meant was there really shouldnt even be actual what ifs if it is no risk, right?  I guess that makes sense. And even though i have no reason for the muscle problems have u ever heard of anything like that or something that could cause it to start after an oral experience?

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« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2007, 08:13:12 PM »
Does any one have comments on my last post? I hope it makes sense, the way i worded it. Or i guess maybe im just taking this too far. i hate the thought and fear of testing, but i dont know any other way to stop being scared and thinking every thing that happens to me is hiv related. im just about in the conclusive area now so i will let everyone know how it turns out. Probably about a weekor so. Talk to u then. Wish me luck

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Re: Gastro
« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2007, 08:18:18 AM »
Any thoughts on my last 2 posts? Am i going too far?

The problems i had were urethra discomfort/redness at opening(lasted 6 weeks), sore throat (2 days), leg aches/pains (on and off 2 months), a swollen gland (confirmed) that comes and goes for  2 months now- no discomfort.

I cant make sense of any of this, does this sound like it was something else that maybe some meds i took cleared up?

Also if at the least please answer these:

Does hiv ever cause urethra problems/discomfort?

What are the muscle aches associated with hiv? Are they like the overall feeling of tiredness, or are they actually specific to one place and come and go?

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« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2007, 08:49:52 AM »
You're still focusing on symptoms despite everything you've been told, specifically that:

1) you weren't at risk for HIV by getting a blowjob

2) neither the presence nor the absence of symptoms will ever tell you anything accurately about your HIV status if you have had a risk.

The symptoms you are concerned about are something to discuss with a doctor. If your current one can't effectively diagnose and treat them then you should get a second opinion. I am unwilling to get into further discussion of your symptoms. Period.

The bottom line is in the entire history of the epidemic and uncounted trillions of blowjobs later, no one has ever been documented to have become infected in that manner. Not one!

Get your test, collect your negative result and get on with your life. Really.
Andy Velez

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« Reply #30 on: February 19, 2007, 08:50:43 AM »
You're still focusing on symptoms despite everything you've been told, specifically that:

1) you weren't at risk for HIV by getting a blowjob

2) neither the presence nor the absence of symptoms will ever tell you anything accurately about your HIV status if you have had a risk.

The symptoms you are concerned about are something to discuss with a doctor. If your current one can't effectively diagnose and treat them then you should get a second opinion.

The bottom line is in the entire history of the epidemic and uncounted trillions of blowjobs later, no one has ever been documented to have become infected in that manner. Not one! I'm not willing to get into further and endless discussion of your symptoms. They have no relevance here.

Get your test, collect your negative result and get on with your life. Really.
Andy Velez

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Re: Gastro
« Reply #31 on: February 19, 2007, 09:09:39 AM »
thanks andy. i know and will test, i have to wait fr appt.

in the mean time can someone please answer the  questions at the end of my last post?

i will leave this alone until i get my result if i could just get them answered, they are really eating at my mind.

thanks again, and as i said wish me luck and i will talk to u soon.

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Re: Gastro
« Reply #32 on: February 19, 2007, 09:15:41 AM »
No, HIV does not cause urethra discomfort. Now, no more questions until you've received your test results.

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« Reply #33 on: February 19, 2007, 09:18:06 AM »
hey rod, not to be a smart ass or anyhting, but u forgot the other one below that.    thanks

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« Reply #34 on: February 19, 2007, 09:20:57 AM »
No, I didn't. I have other people to deal with, that have had a REAL risk.

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« Reply #35 on: February 19, 2007, 09:23:44 AM »
You're still fishing around about symptoms. It's absolutely pointless to discuss them.

You're not listening to what we have told you.

You're going to get tested. Be strong and let go of this stuff until you get tested and collect your negative result.

I'm not willing to indulge you further in symptom questions or conversations. It's all totally irrelevant guesswork.

Get productively busy in your life right now. A much better use of your time and ours.   

Period.
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« Reply #36 on: February 19, 2007, 09:28:03 AM »
ok, talk to u after i get the results.  (hopefully good)

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Re: Gastro
« Reply #37 on: February 19, 2007, 03:35:21 PM »
went to drs and received neg tests for clam, gon, syph, hep a-b-c, etc. I have to wait till tomorrow for the hiv, free testing only administered on tuesdays.  they dont do the rapid so ill have to wait 1 week they said. I tried to get it so i could have an answer now.

my exposure was very brief maybe 1-2 min. now here is the whole problem. for a week after i didnt worry once because i was thinking no risk. The only thing that changed my thinking was the ghost symptoms that my dr or no one can link to anything. Majorly being the muscle pains which no one would answer me about, the urethra troubles, and the confirmed node i mentioned.

Im not asking about symptoms but cant we AGREE that i got something here. Its obvious.And if it was anything else why did all my tests come back negative. Im just trying to make sense of this. TWO drs ive seen see nothing wrong, so wouldnt that mean it has to be something that just isnt showing up yet? Do u see where im coming from now? Im just trying to give an understanding of why im scared.

How do researchers know blood doesnt survive in saliva? Is that a test they actually did? Like putblood in and watch what happens. Just wondering because the cdc shouldnt say contact with blood in mouth could be risky if they had a definate answer on this one. Why dont they report anything about saliva etc. Arent they the ones that u guys follow?

As i said we have to atleast agree that i got something here?? What we dont know.

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« Reply #38 on: February 19, 2007, 04:04:55 PM »
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Im not asking about symptoms but cant we AGREE that i got something here. Its obvious

lil,

No, it isn't obvious that you have anything. We cannot diagnose you over the internet - no one can. Your symptoms could be caused by stress or one of any hundreds of other things. Go see a doctor, only a doctor can tell you what's wrong.

And all WE can tell you is that whatever is or isn't going on, it has nothing to do with hiv infection. You didn't have a risk.

Ann
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« Reply #39 on: February 19, 2007, 05:20:24 PM »
Thanks ann, not considering risk do u have opinions on the cdc questions and blood saliva tests to cometo their conclusions?

I just read a post by JK about saliva making blood explode, taht is what im talking about. How is it known that saliva can account for all possible present blood and this is what i was asking about in the above question. Still why doesnt the cdc state any of this and still say risk if blood present?

Dont u guys follow cdc or just their testing window?
« Last Edit: February 19, 2007, 05:51:26 PM by lilc »

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« Reply #40 on: February 19, 2007, 06:02:02 PM »
I dont know what you mean by "making blood explode".  But you have not had a risk.  And your symptoms can be linked to DOZENS of illnesses.  You need to start ruling them out which I see you have.

We follow well grounded science as our guidelines.  WE understand your fear as we deal with it everyday on here.

You have to wait one more week, so nothing really matters until then anyway.  Spend your dime, but I wouldnt have.
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« Reply #41 on: February 19, 2007, 06:25:55 PM »
I should have said blood cells, i guess he means ones carrying the virus. I dont know exactly.

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Re: Gastro
« Reply #42 on: February 19, 2007, 07:37:54 PM »
Ok thanks. My exposures were a couple orals only and I feel unlucky enough to be a rare case by getting a hummer. I did a google search for diverticulosis-hiv and all kinds of results came back. Do u think that is just people that ended up getting it that had hiv and that is why it made a report?

You did not have a risk from gettin a blowjob.  It's never happened it never will happen.  Try to move on.
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Re: Gastro
« Reply #43 on: February 20, 2007, 08:39:58 AM »
thanks AC, I'm going for the test today, and ill have to wait 1 week for answer, so we will see what happens i guess.

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Re: Gastro
« Reply #44 on: February 20, 2007, 09:31:43 AM »
lil,

If you insist on continuing to post and post and post over your no risk incident, I'll have to give you a time out. Consider yourself warned.

Turn off your computer and go see a doctor about your physical symptoms. You could be missing something important through your mis-guided focus on hiv. Whatever is going on has nothing to do with hiv.

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Re: Gastro
« Reply #45 on: February 20, 2007, 09:45:01 AM »
Thanks Ann, I will consider myself warned.

However, to clear somthing up from the Lessons section, why does it say insertive oral is possible? I know it also says not documented but what makes it possible to this site to state that in there.

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Re: Gastro
« Reply #46 on: February 20, 2007, 09:51:19 AM »
The CDC states it.

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Re: Gastro
« Reply #47 on: February 20, 2007, 09:54:02 AM »
In other words its only stated here because the cdc states it and you follow their recommendations and guidelines?

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Re: Gastro
« Reply #48 on: February 20, 2007, 09:55:48 AM »
To a point, unless there is other scientific data that refutes it.

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Re: Gastro
« Reply #49 on: February 20, 2007, 09:55:49 AM »
I urge you to refrain from using the PM feature to ask me the same questions which have been answered here. You will not get HIV from getting fellated.

"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

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