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Author Topic: Saliva on a syringe needle  (Read 2275 times)

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Offline SecondOpinion

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Saliva on a syringe needle
« on: February 06, 2007, 10:33:15 AM »
Hallo,

first of all, I want to say, that I am really impressed by the quality of the answers in this forum.

Here is my story:

Last year my dermatologist removed two liver spots on my back. During this little surgical operation, he was speaking with his assistant, without wearing a mask.

I had this incident in my mind for a few month, wondering whether this was a risk for hepatitis or even HIV. Thus, I decided to make a blood test.

During the blood draw procedure, the nurse was speaking into the direction of the open syringe needle, just a few seconds before she pricked my vein. Just a few words, asking me not to move.

After this further incident, I began to search the internet. By reading all the information about HIV, I started to freak out. Thus, I decided to make another HIV test, 3 weeks after the last incident. It was a qualitative HIV-1 RNA PCR test. The result was negative.

I have already read the Lessons about HIV transmission. Saliva alone is no risk, but I am worrying about possible blood in the saliva because of bleeding gums etc. Saliva inhibits the transmission of HIV, so no risk from kissing or any other oral activity. But what, if the blood contained in the saliva, is injected directly into a vein? Still no risk from this incident?

Thank you very much in advance for your time.

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Re: Saliva on a syringe needle
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2007, 10:43:00 AM »
This is 100% a no risk situation.  You do not get HIV by someone talking towards a needle!  Please read the transmission links in the welcome thread at the top of this forum.

Dont try the what ifs on this one.  No blood in her mouth, she didnt have bleeding gums etc.  It doesnt HAPPEN this way.
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Offline SecondOpinion

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Re: Saliva on a syringe needle
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2007, 11:13:38 AM »
Thank you for your opinion ACinKC.

Sorry to say this, but your answer gives me a little bit the feeling of having asked a stupid question. You wrote: „No blood in her mouth, she didnt have bleeding gums etc.“

Does your answer mean, blood in the saliva has no influence on the risk, or do you think there was simply no blood in her mouth, because you consider this improbable?

Saliva mixed with blood, directly brought into a vein; the possible transmission of HIV through such an incident, sounds not absolutely abstruse, at least to me.

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Re: Saliva on a syringe needle
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2007, 11:26:50 AM »
Prey tell how saliva would get directly into your vein with a needle stuck in it that was withdrawing blood? Saliva has inhibiting factors that prevent the transmission of HIV in the first place. HIV is transmitted from sharing works with other IV drug users, and unprotected anal and vaginal sex and sometimes from mother to baby at birth and possibly by breast feeding, when the mother is HIV positive with a high viral load.

Offline ACinKC

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Re: Saliva on a syringe needle
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2007, 11:34:14 AM »
I apologize if I made you feel as if it was a stupid question.  But if you would have read the Transmissions Lessons you wouldnt have to ask it.  Someone in a healthcare situation just doesnt have bleeding gums as they are sitting there attending to a patient.  And if HIV were spread through a "mist" of saliva and blood there would be 250 million dead today, not the 25 million already lost.

You are CREATING possibilities in your head and this is never a good idea for your mental well being, we see it on here alot.  I was simply saying try to stay away from the what if scenarios and just deal with reality.
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Offline Coffeechick88

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Re: Saliva on a syringe needle
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2007, 12:41:39 PM »
This is 100% no risk.  HIV is not spread by a mist of saliva or blood and then magically attaches itself to needles and goes into your vein.  The only way you would get any of that kind of thing in that area would be if the nurse or doc put the needle into mouth before inserting it, decided to spit in that area instead of sanitizing it with alcohol, or some other thing like that.   Masks are not worn for your protection--it is for their protection.  Plus have you ever gotten blood drawn in an outpatient setting?  Just how many times have you seen them wear masks?  Your mind is creating all those little what-if scenarios causing uneeded anxiety--not to mention wasting money on a PCR test--which really doesn't run cheap. 
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Offline SecondOpinion

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Re: Saliva on a syringe needle
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2007, 05:02:06 PM »
Thank you for your comment, Rod.

„Prey tell how saliva would get directly into your vein with a needle stuck in it that was withdrawing blood?“

The blood/saliva mixture is outside of the syringe needle and would get into my vein because of this „contamination“. This is my scenario for a possible HIV transmission and for me it sounds pretty logic, because even in a tiny little drop of blood, there could be a lot of HIVs.


Thank you for your advise, AcinKC

„I apologize if I made you feel as if it was a stupid question.“

No problem. If you deal with HIV almost everyday like you do, then maybe my question sounds a little bit naive.

„You are CREATING possibilities in your head and this is never a good idea for your mental well being, we see it on here alot.  I was simply saying try to stay away from the what if scenarios and just deal with reality.“

And yes, you are right, I am creating possibilities in my head and indeed, it is very bad for my mental well being. But the harm is already done! I have already developed an AIDS phobia with an extremly uncomfortable impact on my daily life. So, I want to do everything and get any necessary information which could help me overcoming this problem.

„Someone in a healthcare situation just doesnt have bleeding gums as they are sitting there attending to a patient.“

That is also what I expect, but I don't want to have to trust in the appropriate behavior of this nurse. I would like to be sure, even with the worst case scenario, the nurse is HIV+, high viral load, blood in the saliva, because of  bleeding gums, or a tooth extraction etc., all of these what ifs.

Considering this what ifs, is there still no risk or at least an extrem low risk? 

Thanks to you Coffeechick.

Indeed, it wasn't cheap, beause I had a HIV-1 RNA PCR and a HCV PCR test (hepatitis C). But to be honest, I really started to freak out, so it was a big relief to get two negative results 24 hours later.

Indeed, I have seen it very often, that healthcare professionals are speaking during they insert needles into patients or making little surgical operations without wearing a mask. That seems to be very common, at least in Germany, where I am living. But common does not necessarily mean no risk.

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Re: Saliva on a syringe needle
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2007, 05:08:42 PM »
its still no risk.  No matter what kind of nurse she is.
LIFE is not a race to the grave with the intention of arriving safely
in a pretty and well-preserved body, but, rather to skid in broadside,
thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming--WOW! WHAT A
RIDE!!!

Offline Ann

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Re: Saliva on a syringe needle
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2007, 05:12:48 PM »
Second,

You were not at risk for hiv OR hep C in this situation. Not by any stretch of the imagination. No way. No how. No.

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