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« on: June 14, 2006, 07:22:39 PM »
Hi All

I had unprot oral (insertive) with a working girl (from Poland). After 1 week I had 3 small blisters (burning) on my penis that went after 4 days. I then had about 3 weeks of disorientating headaches (dizzy focal issues pulsing temples) one night of fever (37.8). After that my glands got tender under my arms and in my groin and I had night sweats for a week. After about 6 weeks of oral incident I had a yellow / green stuff on my tongue (which is still there) and at 7 weeks I started to get numb and burning feet and shins (also still there). Basically I seem to have had a load of possible HIV symptoms. All bad news apart from obviously the risk is very very small and also I have had standard ag/ab tests done at 1,4,6 and 7.5 weeks all of which are neg!! I am now having the DNA test (results next week). My doc tells me not to worry but I am in a real state, can anyone tell me if I should be worried or not, cause I am really really frightened!

Thanks Simple

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Re: Loadsa symptomd negative results.... what's the truth?
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2006, 07:28:42 PM »
Simple,

Insertive oral sex (unprotected or otherwise) is not a risk for HIV. You don't need to test for HIV. I recommend that you read the Welcome Thread in this forum.

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Re: Loadsa symptomd negative results.... what's the truth?
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2006, 07:32:20 PM »
i have read the welcome thread and much much much more material.... oral sex is a low risk i know.... but i still have loads of unexplained symptoms incl neuroposy! sorry but even 1 in 200,00 doesn't help there!!!

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« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2006, 07:40:01 PM »
Simple,

Oral sex is NO risk for the insertive partner. There is a tiny theoretical risk for the receptive partner. You were the insertive partner and therefore you don't have to fret about HIV.

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Re: Loadsa symptomd negative results.... what's the truth?
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2006, 07:42:04 PM »
i know exactly what you are saying but why am i getting burning feet and legs and candida tongue ?

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Re: Loadsa symptomd negative results.... what's the truth?
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2006, 07:46:37 PM »
The transmissions lessons specifies that unprotected inseretive oral sex carries no risk. As the lessons is backed by solid first tiered peer reviewed science, it is considered canonical to these forums. Will you get different answers from other sites? Maybe. Take up indescrepancies with the owners and participants of those sites.

You will not that we DO NOT use that SINGLE study that tried to put  mathematical "odds" on HIv acquisition through sex.

One reason being, is that they made up that 1 in 200,000 number to use as a place holder, assigning it to insertive oral.

Made it up.

That single study gets quoted more than Paris Hilton. And it is even less credible.

You DO NOT get HIV from insertive oral sex.



"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

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« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2006, 07:49:52 PM »
i know exactly what you are saying but why am i getting burning feet and legs and candida tongue ?

That's a matter for your doctor. Let me say that candidaiasis (thrush) is something that has to be diagnosed by a qualified medical practitioner. If you feel ill, I encourage you to seek medical attention. Since you've read the Welcome Thread and the lessons it links to, you'll know that there are no symptoms specific to HIV infection.

Given the encounter that you describe I'll say it again: you don't have to worry about HIV.

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Re: Loadsa symptomd negative results.... what's the truth?
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2006, 07:53:18 PM »
Understood.... your points are very clear and I will point out that I am not wanting to have a fight about stats etc.... I am just suffering from symptoms that are linked to HIV and the time frame from which I had a 'theoretical' risk... I am frightened like lot of people...

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« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2006, 07:58:42 PM »
Understood.... your points are very clear and I will point out that I am not wanting to have a fight about stats etc.... I am just suffering from symptoms that are linked to HIV and the time frame from which I had a 'theoretical' risk... I am frightened like lot of people...

Simple,

It's cool! Nobody thinks you were wanting to start a fight about it! :)

I'm glad you understand these issues now. I appreciate that you're frightened about this stuff. If anxiety or fears about HIV are a continuing issue for you, you may benefit from discussing them with your doctor or a counsellor.

Regards,

MtD

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Re: Loadsa symptomd negative results.... what's the truth?
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2006, 08:00:19 PM »
no probs... I have seen my doc and GUM clinc about 30 times in 2 months.... but I am still shit scarred!!

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« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2006, 08:03:49 PM »
no probs... I have seen my doc and GUM clinc about 30 times in 2 months.... but I am still shit scarred!!

Simple,

In that case, I really recommend you seek some counselling or mental health support for your fears regarding HIV/AIDS. I'm not suggesting that you're a loony or anything, but I think you might benefit from sitting down and discussing these issues with a qualified health care worker.

Perhaps your GUM clinic has a counsellor or social worker who can help you or at least refer you to where you can get some help.

Regards,

MtD

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Re: Loadsa symptomd negative results.... what's the truth?
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2006, 08:06:43 PM »
i've already done all that but symptoms like DSP are there all day reminding me of a 'theoretical risk'

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Re: Loadsa symptomd negative results.... what's the truth?
« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2006, 08:19:06 PM »
Have you been diagnosed with these things? Or are you staring in the mirror, looking at stuff that might or might not have ALWAYS been there?

If symtpoms are bugging you, see a doctor. This site refuses to discuss symptoms because it's a pointless excercise, and ONLY fuels the anxiety of HIV.

Which, in your case, is entirely unfounded as you had zero risk.

You DO NOT get HIV from receiving oral sex.

Sometimes I wonder why we even went through the hundreds of hours of research and editing to put those LESSONS on this site.

"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

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Re: Loadsa symptomd negative results.... what's the truth?
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2006, 08:25:57 PM »
sorry to question your research..... i will wait for my results and be back if you need to review your research..... thanx for your very clear views.... it is very much appreciated

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« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2006, 08:27:47 PM »
sorry forgot to answer your question... i have been diagnosed with dsp and candida

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« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2006, 08:37:04 PM »
Thrush (candida)is caused by an imbalance of bacteria.

It is caused by literally thousands of things, including stress.

The only time I have had thrush is after a course of antibiotics.

As for your neuropathy, it too is caused by hundreds of things. And were I you, I would find a doctor who can asertain the cause. It's NOT HIV, if the incidents you reference are all in this thread.

You  had no risk. Condom slippage happens to most people. As long as the urethra is covered, a circumsized male is protected.

"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

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Re: Loadsa symptomd negative results.... what's the truth?
« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2006, 02:07:15 AM »
Hi,

While JKinatl2 has never given anything but thoroughly accurate and dependable info here, sometimes it might feel better to hear it from more than one source:

Your incident carried no risk of HIV transmission. Thrush can be caused by lots of things.

You were not at risk. Period.

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« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2006, 04:00:40 AM »
guys i think you have misunderstood my oral sex incident.... it was completely unprotected (no condom) there was no condom slippage!!

This must present some risk?

Also what reliability is there re the 1,4,6 and 7.5 week tests I have had? And will a dna test at 8.5 weeks be conclusive?

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Re: Loadsa symptomd negative results.... what's the truth?
« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2006, 04:29:33 AM »
Everyone understood your question. You had no risk by being given a blowjob.

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« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2006, 04:57:53 AM »
thx rod.... just so scarred about the numb, tingling in my feet and shins and today in my thumbs.. i have never had anything like this and it just seems to tie into my 'no risk' encounter!

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« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2006, 05:34:10 AM »
I know you all beleive that i had no risk... and this is really helping me... but just for me... how reliable is my 7 and half week ag/ab test?

also what reliability does a 8 and half week dna test have?

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« Reply #21 on: June 15, 2006, 05:45:08 AM »
Simple,

The vast majority of people who have actually been infected will seroconvert and test positive by six weeks.

In your case, you seven week negative is conclusive because you did NOT have a risk of infection in the first place. You are hiv negative.

PCR (DNA) testing is not approved for diagnostic purposes because it has a high rate of false positives. You just might get one of those - and I sincerly hope you do not.

You did not have a risk of hiv infection through getting a blowjob and you are hiv negative. Without doubt. (regardless of what happens with your PCR)

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Re: Loadsa symptomd negative results.... what's the truth?
« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2006, 05:48:01 AM »
thx ann.... what percentage of people convert in 6 weeks? does anyone know?

also what percentage of pcr tests are false positive?

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« Reply #23 on: June 15, 2006, 05:58:55 AM »
Simple,

I don't play the percentages game. Either you get a false positive or you don't. I do know that we see it fairly often here - I'd say maybe one in every twenty who goes against our advice to not bother with PCR testing - but I must stress that is a guesstimate.

Same goes for the six week thing. I dont' know if there even are percentages available for that, I just know that it is extremely unusual for someone to go on to test positive after receiving an negative at six weeks. I've never seen it happen and I've been a member of these forums since 2001. You're more likely to win the lottery twice in one week.

Remember, you did NOT have a risk of hiv infection through getting a blowjob.

Ann
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Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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« Reply #24 on: June 15, 2006, 06:01:56 AM »
many thx ann... i assume that a neg pcr is very accurate?

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« Reply #25 on: June 15, 2006, 07:47:58 AM »
simple,

A negative PCR is considered accurate from 28 days after the possible exposure.

If you haven't already, please read through the Welcome Thread and follow the Lessons links. Some of the answers you seek are there.

I will remind you once again - getting a blowjob is NOT a risk for hiv infection.

Ann
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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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« Reply #26 on: June 15, 2006, 09:00:51 AM »
hi ann... i get the message and am really confortable with what you and the others say and the huge amount of background work researching this subject that is published on this excellent site.

i just hope that by some freak i'm not the 1 in a whatever the odds are that somehow got it thru oral insertive.

I know the risk is very low to non existent, but i still am getting some symptoms for no reason and my doc hasn't yet come up with a reason either.

i just can't get it out of my head that my numb burning feet are hiv related.... sorry.... please don't get agree with me.... i guess i am paranoid about it

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« Reply #27 on: June 15, 2006, 09:10:25 AM »
If you get HIV through insertive oral sex, let us know how all that free medical care works for you. Because you will be the first in history, and will rewrite much of the science behind HIV infection.

You will also help render this site obsolete, because if saliva is infectious, then HIV should be recladdified as a contagious, not infectious disease, and all of us positive folks will likely be quarantined.

OR

The science is right. You are paranoid. And the stigma against HIV as some sort of unclean punishment is the next thing you might consider working on.



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Re: Loadsa symptomd negative results.... what's the truth?
« Reply #28 on: June 15, 2006, 09:17:02 AM »
you have a wonderful way of making things very clear..... thanx for helping me

i have by the way already understood that stigma that many people associate with hiv is very wrong and i have certainly changed my views as a result of this

i will let you know how my test goes next week.... meanwhile i will try and stay as positive as you are about this and try not to worry

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« Reply #29 on: June 19, 2006, 07:47:40 AM »
i'm still very very scarred!! I still have burnng feet and numb legs and now pain when swallowing.... I have a few of questions;
1. is it possible that sercoversion illness could last for as long a 7 weeks?
2. can symptoms come one at a time or do they always come together?
3. is periphal neuropothy common in seroconversion? or is it only experienced after conversion? 
4. is it true that antigen is always detectable during seroconversion illness?
5. once seroconversion illnes is over are antibodies always detectable straight away?
6. is it possible that a working girl could carry cum from a previous client in her mouth and the next client get infected 10 mins later?

Sorry to be a pain, just very scarred and I know you have told me no risk, but each time i start to feel ok i get more symptoms. Please don't be angry with me.

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Re: Loadsa symptomd negative results.... what's the truth?
« Reply #30 on: June 19, 2006, 08:03:58 AM »
Fortunately feelings are not facts. You have absolutely no basis in HIV science to be concerned about HIV in relation to the oral incident.

You should be discussing your symptoms with a doctor. Self-diagnosing is a very dangerous thing. It's called practicing medicine on yourself without a license and will only make you really nutz without answering questions. It's bad for your health so cut it out.

Simply because you do not (yet) have an explanation for your symptoms does not by default mean HIV is the issue.

And this is not an HIV situation. Period.

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« Reply #31 on: June 19, 2006, 08:12:16 AM »
Andy

I understand your points and I have no reason to disbelieve you, in fact quite the opposite, your advice and expertise is very very welcome.

I have been to the doc about my PN and had no explaination it. I was also taken into hostital with chest pains last week and had all the tests, again no explaination. All I know is i have burning feet and a pain in my chest that gets worse with eating. All this after 6/7 weeks where I had fever, headaches, lymph glands etc etc

I understand that a BJ holds no risk ordinarily but just by some freak she could have had fluids from a previous encounter in her mouth, she was a busy girl, I went in 5 to 10 mins after another guy!

Simple

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« Reply #32 on: June 19, 2006, 08:17:52 AM »
Andy

I understand your points and I have no reason to disbelieve you, in fact quite the opposite, your advice and expertise is very very welcome.

I have been to the doc about my PN and had no explaination it. I was also taken into hostital with chest pains last week and had all the tests, again no explaination. All I know is i have burning feet and a pain in my chest that gets worse with eating. All this after 6/7 weeks where I had fever, headaches, lymph glands etc etc

I understand that a BJ holds no risk ordinarily but just by some freak she could have had fluids from a previous encounter in her mouth, she was a busy girl, I went in 5 to 10 mins after another guy!

Simple

Simple, there's no "ordinarily" about this. You cannot contract HIV from receiving a blowjob. No ifs, buts or whatevers. It just doesn't happen. Your symptoms are, I've no doubt, most unpleasant but they have nothing to do with HIV.

This, I fancy, has to do with your attitude towards sex workers and how you view HIV. JK identified this. You seem to think AIDS is some sort of punishment for immoral behaviour. It isn't. It's just a disease and you don't have it buddy.

I suggest that your issues are beyond what we can deal with here. It's time for you to seek help elsewhere. Like with a mental health professional.

MtD

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« Reply #33 on: June 19, 2006, 08:58:04 AM »
simple,

You really need to calm down over this no risk incident.

That burning and tingling you're feeling can be a direct result of stress. The tension you are holding in your muscles (and you will be - whether you realise it or not) can and will cause those feelings. PN is not something that happens during seroconversion. It either happens after years and years of being hiv positive or because of the meds taken to fight hiv. You don't have PN. You have muscle tension. I say that confidently as you have already seen a doctor about it and the doctor found nothing wrong. I would suggest you take some exercise - try walking. It will help you to get rid of some of that muscular tension in your legs. Seriously.

Saliva has quite a few properties that inhibit hiv and so the mouth is a very inhospitable environment for hiv to be in. It is quickly damaged and unable to infect once it is exposed to the environment inside a mouth. This is why hiv is absolutely not transmitted to the insertive partner when getting a blowjob. Not one person has ever become infected this way and you certainly will NOT be the first.

You did not have a risk of hiv infection. No way, no how. Nope. Never. Uh-uh.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse and you will avoid hiv infection. IT really, really is that simple, simple!

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« Reply #34 on: June 19, 2006, 09:05:26 AM »
MtD

I am not a judgemental person and respect people from all walks of life (if they show respect back). Also I have a family member with HIV so certainly understand the impact it has and I feel, especially after this experience of mine, that I fully appreciate HIV / AIDS and its impacts. I do not see it as unclean or a punishment, I see it as a horrible virus that affects ordinary good people and causes much pain and anguish.

Simple

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« Reply #35 on: June 19, 2006, 09:07:17 AM »
Thanks Ann... you are wonderful.... It's just that I have read that PN (burning feet) and Candida are both early signs of HIV and possible in Seroconversion illness, is this just crap info?

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« Reply #36 on: June 19, 2006, 09:24:00 AM »
simple,

Yes, it is pretty much crap info.

You've already been told that PN is not something that happens during seroconversion.

Thrush is not specific to hiv. No way. As you have been told, thrush can have many causes.

The bottom line here is that you did NOT have a risk of infection. Nothing else matters - you didn't have a risk and therefore it is impossible for you to have been infected.

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Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

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« Reply #37 on: June 20, 2006, 09:25:34 AM »
Just been told my results wont be back til next week....

I am really worried about my burining feet and numb areas of my feet and legs (it seems to move around). I am so deeply entrenched in this being HIV.... I don't seem to be able to think of any thing else.

Does anyone know if this type of symptom could be part of seroconversion or early asymptomatic hiv?

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« Reply #38 on: June 20, 2006, 09:34:41 AM »
what makes it worse for me is that my partner has now developed massive fatigue, diarea and nausea 2 weeks after we made love during her period.... i'm now scarred i have given it to her

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« Reply #39 on: June 20, 2006, 09:37:50 AM »
You dont get HIV from insertive oral sex.

Since you do not seem to want to understand and accept that, I can't think of anything further that this forum, but specifically myself, can do for you.

I therefore respectfully withdraw from the conversation. Enjoy the crazy.

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« Reply #40 on: June 20, 2006, 09:47:53 AM »
JK

I'm really sorry to piss you off... the support you guys give me is sooooo important. I have been speaking to my health advisor at the gum clinic today about you support and he agrees that your site is an excellent source and provides a great service.

I do believe what you say about no risk.... and i choose to beleive you guys over other sites who claim low risk.... fear is an awful thing and the mind does play games. So I revert to 2 facts;
1. oral insertive carries no risk
2. I have had and am still having shit loads of symptoms that are linked to HIV... especially concerning is the PN symptom as as far as i know i have no other cause for it... I am not a diebetic, vit b deficient and do not have toxins in my body

I know you don't like talking symptoms but does PM like this occur in ARS or just after?

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« Reply #41 on: June 20, 2006, 10:15:23 AM »
Simple,

Maybe you didn't read it the first time around so I've cut and pasted it here in the hopes that you WILL read it this time:

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You really need to calm down over this no risk incident.

That burning and tingling you're feeling can be a direct result of stress. The tension you are holding in your muscles (and you will be - whether you realise it or not) can and will cause those feelings. PN is not something that happens during seroconversion. It either happens after years and years of being hiv positive or because of the meds taken to fight hiv. You don't have PN. You have muscle tension. I say that confidently as you have already seen a doctor about it and the doctor found nothing wrong. I would suggest you take some exercise - try walking. It will help you to get rid of some of that muscular tension in your legs. Seriously.

Muscle tension held for long periods of time will cause burning and tingling sensations - especially in the extremities (arms and/or legs). Get up and away from your computer, get some exercise and see if it doesn't help. I mean real exercise, not a walk around your living room. Go take a walk for a least an hour. Do that at least once a day. Stop and smell the roses - bend from your hips and stretch those leg muscles!

You don't have PN - certainly not PN associated with hiv. You haven't had a risk of infection.

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« Reply #42 on: June 20, 2006, 10:31:01 AM »
Thank you Ann... I don't know how I would have coped without the support you and the others have given me.... believe it or not I am far calmer since starting this thread.... I know I had a zero risk (based on science) but still some people claim they got HIV this way..... and I know you guys don't even entertain this possibility... anyway you are the best.... thanks

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« Reply #43 on: June 20, 2006, 05:22:34 PM »
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Can I ask why you are using different usernames while posting to our forums? Thus far, you have also used needhelp

Please realize that this kind of activity is disrespectful of other forum members, as well as our moderators. People spend a considerable amount of time helping others in these forums. Using multiple accounts is at the very least annoying, if not deceiving and disrespectful of others. It is also against our Terms of Membership which you agreed to when you became a member. This information is also contained within the Welcome Thread, which you should have read by now. So really, you have no excuse.

You must realize that the answers won't change, no matter how many names you post under.

I would appreciate a reply to this message, and I hope you will commit to using just one account - preferably your original one. If not, you will be banned from further access to the forums.

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« Reply #44 on: June 21, 2006, 09:33:26 AM »
Thanks Ann.... I'm just so scarred.... I trust you guys, but am scarred by the variety of misleading info on the net about this! Just for my reference would it be possible to answer my questions?

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« Reply #45 on: June 21, 2006, 09:38:19 AM »
back on simple!!

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« Reply #46 on: June 21, 2006, 09:39:07 AM »
<< but am scarred by the variety of misleading info on the net about this! >>

I am scared byt he misleading info in your multiple posts. Insertive oral? Unprotected vaginal?

Sorry, Ann is WAY better at the whole bygones thing than I am. I withdraw from further communication. Better things to do than sort lies from truth.

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« Reply #47 on: June 21, 2006, 09:45:32 AM »
the truth is in this thread... i have appologised.... i am very scarred, i am sorry, i can't help that

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« Reply #48 on: June 21, 2006, 10:03:10 AM »
jk

I am sorry i betrayed your trust(and others), I don't expect a response to this, but I just wanted to thank you for your input earlier in the thread. I will let you all know how my results go and no doubt the results will just prove that all your advice is completely sound.

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« Reply #49 on: June 21, 2006, 10:08:50 AM »
Sorry Simple,

Your questions have been answered in good faith by experts who provide their time free of charge. You insult us by refusing to accept our sage advice and breaking the quite reasonable rules of this place.

I'm joining JK. You deserve no more of my time nor my consideration.

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« Reply #50 on: June 21, 2006, 10:13:53 AM »
i accept your view... i will not post again.... sorry once more.... i am sure you all understand how paranoid one becomes in this situation.....

I will say however that I admire you guys and I do believe the messages you have given me and I cannot beleive how patient you have been with me.

Many many thanks and bye

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« Reply #51 on: June 21, 2006, 05:43:22 PM »
Hi guys, Simple for your information the burning of feet or legs is something that could also be related to anxiety disorder as Ann just said. The actual name of this problem starts with letter (p) I think it's called palethesia. Just check on the internet and you will probably find this information. Something else which I would like to very much address to Ann is this issue of hiv symptoms. I think a lot of folks here are concerned very much to understand hiv symptoms especially the initial ones. It's my wish that this forum should try and give some light on this issue instead of absconding from it. I believe there are identical symptoms that people who get infected share and this is what the forum should try and enlight people about.
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« Reply #52 on: June 21, 2006, 05:52:08 PM »
Cobiz,

If there were any relevance to symptoms where hiv infection is concerned, we would discuss them. There isn't so we don't. No two people will ever have the exact same seroconversion illness and some people don't experience anything.

Hiv is a systemic infection. Systemic infections produce general symptoms. Every single alleged ARS symptom can also be caused by several, if not hundreds, other pathogens.

Symptoms or the lack of symptoms mean absolutely nothing where hiv infection is concerned and you will not get any different answer in this forum.

And by the way cobiz, please stay in your own thread. Thank you for your cooperation.

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« Reply #53 on: June 21, 2006, 06:12:01 PM »
Paresthesia i think is what cobiz is talking about

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« Reply #54 on: June 21, 2006, 06:29:03 PM »
Simple, that's right. It's really a problem associated with anxiety disorder. I hope this can now make you cool down and relax because it seems like that is what you need.

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« Reply #55 on: June 21, 2006, 06:41:51 PM »
i do mate.... i know everyone who knows tells me i had no risk... but every time i turn the corner and think i am ok something else happens.... now my partner has massive fatigue and the shits and feels sick... also i have had this massive pain in my chest that i have been told is anxiety i find today by taking a reflux med it feels a lot easier, of course me in my state of mind thinks this is an hiv ulcer of the oesophogas.... it's probably just a simple enflamed diaphragm!! role on my result then i can tell all these guys they were right and i was a stupid fool

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« Reply #56 on: June 23, 2006, 08:07:32 AM »
Ann

I have managed to realx a bit and am getting good nights sleep now.... as a result my numb and burning is going.... I hope for good.... thanks for your advice.

I still haven't had my results, going to have to wait over the weekend.... I am still very frightened, I know it's irrational and I know I will be the first i history to get it this way etc... but I still have a massive oesophagous pain and have noticed today several red blotches in my mouth.... I know you don't discuss symptoms and I know you are going to tell me again 'no risk' but I am a healthy person that has just had problem after problem in the last 9 weeks. Again I have read that red blotches in the mouth are an HIV sign! This is torture!

Do you have any words of wisdom before I go to my weekend and try and relax?

Simple

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« Reply #57 on: June 23, 2006, 08:31:15 AM »
simple,

My advice to you is go do something you enjoy doing over the weekend - AWAY from your computer. Don't even switch it on. Pull the plug on it. Give one of the connection cables to a friend so you CAN'T turn it on.

This way, you won't be reading all kinds of crap that makes you think you are infected. You aren't.

Hook your computer back up when you get that negative result so you can tell us all about it. Until then, I don't expect to be hearing from you.

And that's for your own good. Not mine. OK?

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« Reply #58 on: June 23, 2006, 08:36:01 AM »
Thanks Ann.... you are lovely... If I hadn't have found you and the others here I would have gone down.... it's all your positive messages that keep me going.

Have a nice weekend yourself and as soon as i get my result i will let you know

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« Reply #59 on: June 26, 2006, 08:23:58 AM »
Still no DNA result yet!! They told me 10 to 14 days this is day 13.... I'm now paranoid that it is taking a long time because it is positive and they are just making sure.... This is hell!

I have had numbness back in my feet all weekend and lots of strong pins and tingling sensations in my toes and balls of my feet. I don't think it is stress as I have been reasonably calm over the weekend. I am also getting red blotches in my mouth that start as blood blisters.

I'm thinking of paying for a same day ag/ab test tomorrow (10 weeks).... what do you think?

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« Reply #60 on: June 26, 2006, 09:20:52 AM »
Simple,

I think that would be a waste of time and money.

YOU DID NOT HAVE A RISK OF HIV INFECTION THROUGH GETTING A BLOWJOB.

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« Reply #61 on: June 26, 2006, 09:25:56 AM »
I know you guys believe this principle and I try hard too, but I will only truly believe it when I get a negative.

Thanks for being there for me Ann, it is lonely out here when you are paranoid and think you could be in window land!

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« Reply #62 on: June 26, 2006, 12:06:28 PM »
Techy question for you;

Is it possible for HIV to piggy back on another STI and this be a route for infection?

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« Reply #63 on: June 26, 2006, 12:13:44 PM »
Simple,

No, hiv does not "piggyback".

You need to stay in your own thread. You are in NO position to be giving advice or otherwise making comments in any thread but your own. Thank you for your cooperation.

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« Reply #64 on: June 26, 2006, 12:26:34 PM »
Thanks Ann

Just one last question;

My ARS like symptoms i.e. fever, glands, night sweats etc I experienced at 2 to 5 weeks after... since then I have experienced lots of things that I have read are post ARS symptoms such as chest pain/burning and yellow deposit on tongue (potential Oesophagal thrush) and the burning toes and legs etc (potential PN).... My test was at 7.5 weeks.


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« Reply #65 on: June 26, 2006, 12:29:29 PM »
Sorry pressed the wrong button before asking the question.

Given the above; If weeks 2 thru 5 were ARS, would antibodies always be present after ARS i.e. in my 7.5 week test? or is it possible that my other issues after week 5 are a form of ARS?

I know I have no risk, but the answers to these questions will help me deal with things.

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« Reply #66 on: June 26, 2006, 12:37:19 PM »
Simple,

You did not have a risk of hiv infection, therefore you are not experiencing and have not experienced ARS. You have tested negative over a no risk event. You are hiv negative.

If you read the Welcome Thread, you will have read the following:

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Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.

You have posted 39 times now over a no risk incident. Hiv is not transmitted through getting a blowjob. If you cannot accept that fact, I will give you a four week time-out to encourage you to get the face-to-face help you need. Please consider yourself warned.

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« Reply #67 on: June 26, 2006, 12:51:51 PM »
Ok Ann

I don't want to abuse your extremely professional service and I take your point. However I will point out 2 things related to the quote above from your welcome thread;
1. I have not had a conclusive negative... I wish I had it was a 7.5 week test
2. I had a theoretical risk as documented in your lessons section... point very well understood that this is not a documented risk

Sorry if I am a pest, it is a lonely existence thinking you might be in the window period. I have asked these types of questions before and no one has answered them. Anyway I will go away now and hope that I get my result tomorrow and hope to God that it is as you say a NO RISK situation.

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« Reply #68 on: June 26, 2006, 12:56:31 PM »
Simple,

You did not have a risk of infection from getting a blowjob, theoretical or otherwise. Not one single person in the entire 25 plus years of this pandemic has become infected in this way and you will not be the first. You are not in a window period. You didn't need to test and your 7.5 week negative means you are hiv negative, period, end of story.

Keep posting to fret about your blowjob and you will be given a time-out. This is your last warning.

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« Reply #69 on: June 26, 2006, 01:19:23 PM »
Thanks Ann

Understood and I will let you know the result when I eventually get it.

Can I make a suggestion; As JK has suggested in Cups thread, if oral insertive is no risk why keep your reference to it being a theoretical risk in your lessons?

Thank you all for all of your advise and kind words, you guys have been my rock(especially you Ann), sorry I have been less than a perfect patient!!!

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« Reply #70 on: June 29, 2006, 07:46:46 AM »
I have just had my 8 week DNA test results and I am relieved to say that it was a negative. Please don't all shout at once I TOLD YOU SO!!

I would like to thank ALL of you for your absoutely tremendous support over the last couple of weeks, without you I would without a doubt been hostpitalised through anxiety. As it happens I spent yesterday in hostpital with chest pains and headaches and had all the tests they could throw at me and in the end said I was stressed!!

I can't stress enough to everyone who reads this; stress brings on so many physical symptoms, I have been at the point where I have thought I was having a heart attack. I have had so many symptoms and I now believe they were all to do with stress.

I would also like to appologise to JK and MtD for my other post where I lied about my sexual activity, I did this to try and get answers to specific questions that were worrying me, rather than the answer 'YOU CAN'T GET HIV FROM ORAL INSERTIVE'. I know I did wrong, I hope you understand why I did it.

You guys are absolutely the best, especially Ann who has been soooo patient with me, and I wish you all the best for the future, and keep up the tremendous good work you do for everyone who is afflicted in anyway by this horrible virus.

Take care everyone
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« Reply #71 on: July 03, 2006, 04:49:51 AM »
I know this is not an HIV question, can Hep C be caught through insertive oral sex?

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« Reply #72 on: July 03, 2006, 05:00:24 AM »
Simple,

No.

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« Reply #73 on: July 03, 2006, 05:02:38 AM »
Thanks Morgan

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« Reply #74 on: July 03, 2006, 05:09:56 AM »
Simple,

Hep C is spread primarily through blood to blood contact, ie tatooing and iv drug use.

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« Reply #75 on: July 03, 2006, 06:25:48 AM »
that's cool... thanks... i know it can be spread sexually, just wondered if oral was possible

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« Reply #76 on: July 03, 2006, 06:49:38 AM »
Simple,

It is very rare for hep C to be spread sexually. It is not really considered a sexually transmitted infection. When it has been transmitted this way, it usually involves anal sex that has caused damage and therefore bleeding.

If you have read the Welcome Thread, you would have read the following:

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Please consider yourself warned. You did not have a risk of hiv infection through getting a blowjob. If you have concerns about other sexually transmitted infections, please see your doctor.

If you cannot get over the fact that you had no hiv risk despite being repeatedly told you had no risk, please seek the assistance of a mental health care professional. We can do no more for you here.

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« Reply #77 on: July 03, 2006, 09:19:27 AM »
Thanks Ann

Once again I thanks you for your support

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« Reply #78 on: June 29, 2008, 07:21:26 AM »
I posted about 2 years ago and you were really wonderful in helping me through the lowest part of my life. However about 4 months back I had another exposure and thought nothing of it until now.

2 weeks after the exposure I had a flu illness with very tight and aching muscles (no fever though) I was in bed for 4 days. Since this illness I have had very painful mucsles with shooting pains that move around and they are tender to touch (mainly in my arms and legs). In the last month I have developed a burning in my toes and soles of my feet. Yesterday I read an article about PN in HIV that descirbes these symptoms exactly, which is why I am writing. Would PN occur this early and quite so severley in the asymptomatic stage?

I am thinkg of getting tested again but am very scared!!  I was thinking of using a home test kit, are these ok?

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« Reply #79 on: June 29, 2008, 07:26:39 AM »
Simple,

I've merged your new thread into your original thread - where you should post all your additional thoughts or questions. It helps us to help you when you keep all your additional thoughts or questions in one thread.

If you need help finding your thread when you come here, click on the "Show own posts" link under your name in the left-hand column of any forum page.

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Unless you've been having unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse, you probably haven't had an "exposure".

If you HAVE been having unprotected intercourse, then you need to test at three months for a conclusive result. Symptoms - or the lack of symptoms - won't tell you squat about your hiv status. ONLY testing at the appropriate time will

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Re: New worry
« Reply #80 on: June 29, 2008, 07:37:16 AM »
Hi Ann I hope things are ok with you.

Sorry for starting a new thread but when I replied on the old thread it suggested I start a new one due to the age of the thread.

My exposure was a deep kissing incident that unfortunaltely invovled my tongue being bitten and damaged. It also invovled sucking of tongues etc. I thought nothing of it, but since I read the PN article it has made me think that a bite could be an exposure.

What do you think about home testing kits?

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« Reply #81 on: June 29, 2008, 08:22:03 AM »
First off you didn't have a risk of contracting HIV. There is only one home test collection kit approved in the US and that is Home Access.

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« Reply #82 on: June 29, 2008, 08:51:34 AM »
Simple,

Kissing, even when your tongue has been bitten, is NOT a risk for hiv infection. Not only is saliva not infectious, but it also contains over a dozen proteins and enzymes that damage hiv and render it unable to infect.

You haven't had a risk and you don't need to test.

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HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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« Reply #83 on: June 29, 2008, 02:00:59 PM »
Thx Ann.... I thought that bites had previously transmitted HIV, also I read that people have claimed they got HIV thru kissing

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Re: New worry
« Reply #84 on: June 29, 2008, 02:24:15 PM »
People may claim all sorts of ways that HIV has been transmitted. Those claims never hold up under scientific scrutiny.

Unprotected vaginal and anal sex are the real risks sexually. Other means are theoretically possible but in the real world of HIV those claims don't hold up.
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« Reply #85 on: June 30, 2008, 07:21:14 AM »
Thanks for your feed back Andy and Ann.

From your responses it is clear that you believe that I don't need to test at all. Obviously I want to ensure that I protect my family if there were any chance of transmission and also give myself the opportunity of benfitting from the drugs etc. Is there any small chance that I could be putting my family and partner in danger by not testing?

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« Reply #86 on: June 30, 2008, 12:22:41 PM »
Simple

The fears you have are plain for all to see, and you have been shown great kindness by knowledgeable people on these forums because they know just how heavy a burden fear can be.

I am not an expert on HIV. But it seems to me that you yourself have already put your finger on the reason why you keep coming back here:

it is lonely out here when you are paranoid

Could it be that it is the loneliness and the paranoia for which you really need to seek help and support, and not the risk of HIV? You come here not because you have been truly at risk of HIV but because you are lonely and fearful and long for sympathy and reassurance, and I for one can readily understand that. But accepting yourself, and addressing the real problems you face, takes courage and maturity, which you can find within you. You may also find that learning to deal effectively with reality will make your unfounded fears gradually fade away.

With respect,

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« Reply #87 on: June 30, 2008, 04:09:53 PM »
All I asked was if I was in any remote way was I putting my family at risk!

I just want to be very sure that I shouldn't bother testing

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« Reply #88 on: July 01, 2008, 10:39:09 AM »
Mark

Thank you for your thoughts and I agree the people in this forum more than kind. Two years ago I was desparate as I believed I had contracted HIV and the people here helped me through the lowest period in my life.

My comments about loneliness were made 2 years ago during this period. Since then I have suffered from an anxiety disorder directly attributable to the stress I went through at the time. Today I manage this disorder on a daily basis.

I can confirm that until I restarted this thread a few days back my worries about HIV had gone.

From the replies I have had from Andy and Ann it is clear that my risk concern is unfounded. I was merely asking for confirmation that no testing is required.

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« Reply #89 on: July 08, 2008, 11:15:00 AM »
I understand that you are telling me I had no risk, however the doc still has not been able to explain my state. I have very painful aching muscles and sharp pains that move around my body muscles (mainly arms and legs) and they are tender to touch, I also have burning in my toes and soles of my feet and numb calf muscles. I have read about PN in HIV and these symtpoms match directly, also that PN can develop in the ARS and the asymptomatic stages. I need to know if these types of symptoms would develop so strongly and so early (4 months) in HIV. This will help me get this incident behind me. Many Thanks again S

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« Reply #90 on: July 08, 2008, 01:44:48 PM »
You can read all you like have all the symptoms you like but they have nothing to do with HIV. YOU DID NOT HAVE A RISK OF CONTRACTING HIV.   Work with your doctor for your concerns.

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« Reply #91 on: August 13, 2008, 08:19:03 AM »
Dear All

I find myself in the same situation as I was in 2 years ago, incredibly anxious and not being able to focus on anything else.

You guys are telling me that I had no exposure and should not worry and after numerous consultations and tests with my Doc he cannot find any answers. He referred me to a rheumatologist last week who examined me and suggested that many STI's can manifest my symptoms (incl HIV). I am now very frightened again and went on Monday to the Gum clinic for a full panel of tests. I am now in that horrible waiting game (1 to 2 weeks for results!).

I still have really bad sharp stinging muscle pains and deep muscle aches and burning painful feet and I have now developed a rash on the soles of my feet. I know you don't like doing the symptom thing but do these sound possible at 5 months post exposure in HIV?

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« Reply #92 on: August 13, 2008, 08:28:27 AM »
Simple,

One last time - unless you've been having unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse (or sharing drug injecting equipment) with someone who is hiv positive, you haven't had a risk.

Neither kissing nor getting blown are risks for hiv infection whether or not the person is hiv positive. You should know this stuff by now.

We have tightened up this forum considerably since you were fretting about a blowjob back in 2006. You simply will NOT be permitted to go on and on about your latest kissing incident. You haven't had a risk for hiv infection.

Keep working with your doctor to find out what, if anything, is wrong with you.

Keep posting about your kiss and you'll be given a time out. No ands, ifs or buts about it.

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Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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« Reply #93 on: August 13, 2008, 08:38:28 AM »
Thanks Ann, I wont post any more as I don't want to be banned.

It is very concerning and frustrating however to get such a clear message from you and a different message from the Rheumatologist and also the Gum Docs who say I could have a very small risk. All this does is add fuel to the fire of my already out of control anxiety about this.

I am trying to stay cool and learn from your sound advice of 2006, however it is hard as I am sure you understand.

Thx again
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« Reply #94 on: August 13, 2008, 08:50:51 AM »
Simple,

I've just discovered your other account - stupiid099

You've been warned in the past about creating new accounts. I might not catch them right away, but catch them I do.

You are now permanently banned.

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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

 


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