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Offline Lisa

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Re: What Do We Need To Do?
« Reply #50 on: January 15, 2007, 12:17:24 AM »
Please pass the Thorazine.
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Offline emeraldize

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Re: What Do We Need To Do?
« Reply #51 on: January 15, 2007, 12:56:09 AM »
Lisa: When you're done with it, please pass it over to me. Thanks so much. I think it's time to watch those edited preacher videos again. DingoBoi's "I loved my neighbor"post made me think of the last time I had a good laugh. Although, on the down side, I'm sorry to hear, DingoBoi, you're having med issues. I hope things straighten out.

Tim, Brothers and Sisters is quite good. I've managed to watch it, without planning to, a couple of times and it is well cast. Sally is doing a great job. Rob and Calista are definitely holding their own and soon, I suspect, will be holding each other.  I, too, don't watch much TV, but this show makes sitting for a spell easy.

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Re: What Do We Need To Do?
« Reply #52 on: January 15, 2007, 07:52:53 AM »
We were discussing the TV campaign that they had last year.


Eldon,

You still did not answer my question in a way that gives me any understanding to what this thread is about.  What TV campaign are you talking about -- and who is "they" (I'm assuming the people behind this mystery campaign, but I hate assuming).  I am seeing nothing in this thread that discusses any campaign, and your original post only referred to "controversial issues".  I'm not sure what it is that you are trying to do with this thread or some of your others, but you might end up being far more successful if YOU speak with CLARITY and stop having others decipher your agenda (which we probably get wrong far more frequently than not).

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Offline Dachshund

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Re: What Do We Need To Do?
« Reply #53 on: January 15, 2007, 08:01:47 AM »

'O see ye not yon narrow road,
So think beset with thorns and briers?
That is the path of righteousness,
Tho after it but few enquires.

'And see not ye that braid braid road,
That lies across the lily leven?
That is the path of wickedness,
Tho some call it the road to heaven.

'And see not ye that bonny road,
That winds about the fernie brae?
That is the road to fair Elfland,
Where thou and I this night maun gae.

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Re: What Do We Need To Do?
« Reply #54 on: January 15, 2007, 09:31:58 AM »
I'm pretty sure that I'll go to Hell for saying this, but the picture in post #3 looks kinda homoerotic.

Trust me Tim when I tell you, THAT is not the reason you are going to hell!!! LOL
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Re: What Do We Need To Do?
« Reply #55 on: January 15, 2007, 09:38:45 AM »
I like the sounds of your denomination.  As a mostly firm ANTI believer its nice to see that some out there preach what I think God and Jesus would have wanted.  I think there main message was... DONT BE A DICK!

And as Bill Maher says... God is simply grown mans imaginary friend!
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LIFE is not a race to the grave with the intention of arriving safely
in a pretty and well-preserved body, but, rather to skid in broadside,
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Re: What Do We Need To Do?
« Reply #56 on: January 15, 2007, 05:36:13 PM »
Mike,

The original question was..."What do we need to in order to get along with each other?" "Regardless or our differences?"

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Re: What Do We Need To Do?
« Reply #57 on: January 15, 2007, 08:47:02 PM »
So I take it you took a peek at Brothers and Sisters?  I am totally hooked.  Housewives is an ongoing addiction.  I've gone for years barely watching any televison at all.  Not so these days...5 or 6 I see each week.

Gonna put that show on the TIVO to do list!

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Re: What Do We Need To Do?
« Reply #58 on: January 15, 2007, 08:53:46 PM »

Eldon,

You still did not answer my question in a way that gives me any understanding to what this thread is about.  What TV campaign are you talking about -- and who is "they" (I'm assuming the people behind this mystery campaign, but I hate assuming).  I am seeing nothing in this thread that discusses any campaign, and your original post only referred to "controversial issues".  I'm not sure what it is that you are trying to do with this thread or some of your others, but you might end up being far more successful if YOU speak with CLARITY and stop having others decipher your agenda (which we probably get wrong far more frequently than not).

Mike

A new television ad by the United Church of Christ that stresses the church's diversity has already been rejected by major networks as "too controversial," the second time a UCC ad has been banned from the airwaves.
 
The 30-second "Ejector" ad features several people -- a black woman, a gay couple, a Middle Eastern man, an elderly man in a walker -- who are ejected from their church pews.
"God doesn't reject people," the ad says. "Neither do we."

The new ad, which cost about $1.5 million to make, will debut on April 3, but not on ABC, NBC, CBS or Fox. The three networks rejected the commercial as an inappropriate "advocacy" ad because of its references to homosexuality, race and ethnicity.
 
Last year, the networks rejected a similar ad featuring bouncers behind a velvet rope keeping various people out of a church.
 
"The message of the commercial is simple," the Rev. John Thomas, the UCC's general minister and president, said Monday (March 27). "No matter who you are, or where you are on life's journey, you are welcome here at the United Church of Christ."
 
Thomas said he found it "odd and bewildering" that the ads would be rejected. The UCC has launched a new Web site, www.accessibleairwaves.org, to prod the networks towards including mainstream religious voices.
 
The ad will be shown for at least three weeks, with hopes to extend its run through Mother's Day (May 14). It has been accepted on a dozen cable networks, including CNN, the Discovery Channel and A&E.
 
Ron Buford, who directs the UCC's "God is Still Speaking" campaign, said the 1.3 million-member church was not trying to take a swipe at other churches by billing itself as more welcoming and diverse.
"It does not mean to suggest that other churches reject people and that we have not; we have," Buford said. "We too can forget our core business, and these ads speak to us as well."

See the ads at http://www.stillspeaking.com/media/

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Re: What Do We Need To Do?
« Reply #59 on: January 15, 2007, 09:13:46 PM »
I like the sounds of your denomination.  As a mostly firm ANTI believer its nice to see that some out there preach what I think God and Jesus would have wanted.  I think there main message was... DONT BE A DICK!

And as Bill Maher says... God is simply grown mans imaginary friend!

Well, the raison d'etre for many institutions, organizations, structures, movements, etc is to answer questions regarding man's relationship not only to his fellow man (i.e. law, government, religion etc.), but to his Creator (most definitely religion here); to his habitat (architecture, environmentalism) - so Eldon's question as to What Do We Need To Do could have answers framed in different perspectives.  I think the problem with "Don't be a dick!" is that it uses a subjective standard as what actions comprise being a dick...lol. 

 

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Re: What Do We Need To Do?
« Reply #60 on: January 15, 2007, 09:24:00 PM »
Unbelieveable.  So a second ad had also now been rejected?  I remember the first ad clearly.  It did not make any message beyond "God welcomes all, and so do we''.  This new one sounds like it does the same.  I am failing to grasp what the objectionable part of that is.
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Re: What Do We Need To Do?
« Reply #61 on: January 15, 2007, 10:24:13 PM »
It sounds like adjustments are in order on their part.

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Re: What Do We Need To Do?
« Reply #62 on: January 18, 2007, 08:39:44 PM »
I'm not sure what you mean, Eldon - adjustments are needed are on their part....it sounds to me that if someone "rejected" your commercial you would change your commercial.  While Jesus says turn the other cheek, he doesn't say to change who you are or what you believe in.  If your solution to what we need to do to get along despite our differences, is to change your differences then I believe you would be what is known as a syncophant.  So gay should become straight so that others can get along despite their differences...black should become white...

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Re: What Do We Need To Do?
« Reply #63 on: January 18, 2007, 09:42:21 PM »
A commercial can be presented with the same intent with a different approach. Change is adjustment to the certain variables that exists. The entire marketing indusrty makes adjustments on a daily basis in order to compensate with the flow of the consumer market today.

No one is saying that it has to do with your private life. In this situation it is no ones business what goes on behind closed doors. What IS important is the intent of making the difference and to get the job done right the first time in order to find a effective solution to suffice for the needs that are in existence.


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Re: What Do We Need To Do?
« Reply #64 on: January 18, 2007, 10:43:20 PM »
Sigh ... i guess i am just too cynical to take anything presented in a commercial seriously, and find it profoundly disappointing that people either:

1.  take them seriously   or
2.  feel they are so much more intelligent than everyone else that they worry about whether or not commercials are sending some kind of profoundly important message to the masses

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Re: What Do We Need To Do?
« Reply #65 on: January 18, 2007, 10:45:06 PM »
Well said. The TRUTH cuts like a knife.


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Re: What Do We Need To Do?
« Reply #66 on: January 19, 2007, 07:58:24 AM »
An inherent part of a message is the way that message is packaged and delivered.  Some insults are best served hot, some best served cold.  Yet, the message remains.  The question then devolves into who should decide whether the message is delivered at all, especially over public airwaves.  Its not a question of "mak[ing] adjustments on a daily basis in order to compensate with the flow of the consumer market today."

What IS important is the intent of making the difference and to get the job done right the first time in order to find a effective solution to suffice for the needs that are in existence.
"What Can I do today to make a better Tommorrow?"

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.  I have no idea what job, what effective solution or what needs you have identified.  Your solution may be that of a harried mother who is tired of her six children bickering, "Everybody sit down and SHUT UP!"  There, now everyone is getting along despite their differences....


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Re: What Do We Need To Do?
« Reply #67 on: January 19, 2007, 08:02:18 AM »
With time you will find that neither does he.

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Re: What Do We Need To Do?
« Reply #68 on: January 19, 2007, 08:08:23 AM »
Sigh ... i guess i am just too cynical to take anything presented in a commercial seriously, and find it profoundly disappointing that people either:

1.  take them seriously   or
2.  feel they are so much more intelligent than everyone else that they worry about whether or not commercials are sending some kind of profoundly important message to the masses



Certainly, most commercials would tell you that you need to drive the right car, wear the right clothes, use the right toilet paper and toothpaste and indeed, the world would be a better place.  Networks are used to and comfortable handling that type of message and I imagine despite your protests above, that you have been influenced in your selection of merchandise and services by commercials..

The underlying message in the UCC commercials is that "No matter who you are, no matter where you are on life's journey, you are welcome here."  Simple.  Surprisingly, profound, at least enough make network executives squirm.  And yet, a part of the puzzle as to What Do We Need To Do...To Get Along Despite Our Differences...

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Re: What Do We Need To Do?
« Reply #69 on: January 19, 2007, 03:54:18 PM »
In every situation there IS a middle ground. It just has to be found.


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Re: What Do We Need To Do?
« Reply #70 on: January 19, 2007, 09:48:14 PM »
Person A: I believe in the death penalty for criminals.
Person B: I do not believe in the death penalty for criminals.

There is no middle ground for these two positions.  Yet, the surprising thing is that no middle ground need be found for these two people to get along despite their differences.  Rather, each must merely admit that while they disagree with the other's position, they respect the other's right to that position.

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Re: What Do We Need To Do?
« Reply #71 on: January 19, 2007, 10:11:40 PM »
What's that saying?

"A good compromise leaves everybody mad."
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Re: What Do We Need To Do?
« Reply #72 on: January 19, 2007, 10:26:12 PM »
Person A: I am a top.
Person B: I am a top.

Ah, shit - compromise and take turns.  Grin and bear it.  Take it like a man.  Clearly, the middle ground doesn't work here.

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Re: What Do We Need To Do?
« Reply #73 on: January 19, 2007, 10:43:04 PM »
1.As much as possible, try to let go of the blame/shame game. Begin practising this with yourself. :)

2.Don't believe everything you think.

3. Have some understanding of your strengths and weaknesses, and be able to share this information. (see 1.)

4. We're all doing the best that we can, all the time.

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Re: What Do We Need To Do?
« Reply #74 on: January 20, 2007, 12:48:56 AM »
Sigh ... i guess i am just too cynical to take anything presented in a commercial seriously, and find it profoundly disappointing that people either:

1.  take them seriously   or
2.  feel they are so much more intelligent than everyone else that they worry about whether or not commercials are sending some kind of profoundly important message to the masses

While I believe the vast majority of commercials are merely vehicles for brainwashing sheep into believing their lives will be improved by a toothpaste, mouthwash, deodorant, brand of underwear, car, etc. there have always been exceptions.  The UCC commercials definitely fall into the latter category.  TV is the most common form of infotainment for the majority of US Americans and PSAs/commercials about aging, cancer, AIDS, pollution, racism, sexual discrimination, etc. have been successful in altering some peoples' views or at least sparking a thought in their consumeristic heads. 

I really don't understand no. 2 -- who said or implied they were more intelligent than anyone else?  I don't see that in the thread anywhere.   Why shouldn't advertisers such as the UCC want to promote acceptance of others?  The question isn't whether the message is profoundly important or not, it's whether the message is valid.  I think the message of acceptance is extremely valid in our society today as much as it ever was.

For the record, I don't watch cable, satellite, or network TV so if not for the link above I wouldn't ever see the commercials anyway.  If I were stuck watching TV and one of those commercials came on it would hold my interest a lot more than most of the crap shoved down the throats of your "average" viewer. 

As an atheist I usually pay attention to organized religion only when it tries to infringe on my rights.  As fondeveau pointed out, however, the UCC was one of the first religions to speak against slavery, a view unshared by mainstream religions at the time.  There was no TV to get the message out then but slowly society understood the enormity of enslaving fellow humans and the practice was abolished (in its then-present form -- now slavery is more a matter of class).  TV has the capability to reach millions of people with the same message at once, which is why I applaud commercials like those of the UCC, which attempt to foster the slow but positive changes still needed in our society.  TV is a vast wasteland, yes, but even among all the hours/days/years of shit there are occasionally a few worthwhile minutes.

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« Reply #75 on: January 20, 2007, 04:24:51 PM »
While I believe the vast majority of commercials are merely vehicles for brainwashing sheep into believing their lives will be improved by a toothpaste, mouthwash, deodorant, brand of underwear, car, etc.

I really don't understand no. 2 -- who said or implied they were more intelligent than anyone else?  I don't see that in the thread anywhere. 

  TV is a vast wasteland, yes, but even among all the hours/days/years of shit there are occasionally a few worthwhile minutes.

Boo

Boo... Assuming you actually believe statements 1 and 3, then it follows that you would not understand the implication I made (in my statement 2) as they demonstrate exactly the kind of intellectual superiority complex to which I refer.  That being said, I am guilty of such things myself. 
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Re: What Do We Need To Do?
« Reply #76 on: January 20, 2007, 07:19:20 PM »
Benj: Better yet...What IS the truth?



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« Reply #77 on: January 20, 2007, 07:26:49 PM »
Benj: Better yet...What IS the truth?


I'm an empiricist... so I would say the truth is that which is experienceable and verifiable through observation.  Facts, in other words. 
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« Reply #78 on: January 20, 2007, 07:32:47 PM »
Benj: Take A Bow.


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« Reply #79 on: January 31, 2007, 02:01:20 PM »
Boo... Assuming you actually believe statements 1 and 3, then it follows that you would not understand the implication I made (in my statement 2) as they demonstrate exactly the kind of intellectual superiority complex to which I refer.  That being said, I am guilty of such things myself. 

Um, your initial post seems to be an example of the superiority complex you ascribe to me...

I've spent my entire life assiduously avoiding intellectuals.  I am not superior to anyone, intellectually or otherwise, even George W. Bush, for we are all fallible humans. 

I tried to join MENSA but was rejected.  My IQ is too high.

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« Reply #80 on: January 31, 2007, 02:29:00 PM »
Don't scare me...for a second there I thought it was another Lazarus rising.
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« Reply #81 on: January 31, 2007, 03:13:19 PM »
Don't scare me...for a second there I thought it was another Lazurus rising.

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« Reply #82 on: January 31, 2007, 04:17:40 PM »
Person A: I am a top.
Person B: I am a top.

Ah, shit - compromise and take turns.  Grin and bear it.  Take it like a man.  Clearly, the middle ground doesn't work here.

Maybe no middle ground, but an easy solution...

Person A: I am a bottom.
Person B: I am a bottom.
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« Reply #83 on: January 31, 2007, 04:39:33 PM »
Maybe no middle ground, but an easy solution...

Person A: I am a bottom.
Person B: I am a bottom.
Solution: Go find person C who is at least versatile (and hopefully a top)

I vote for versatility and try to practice it in my own life.  Unfortunately, it seems the vast majority of gay folks are one or the other.  Invite me to your next orgy -  ;D

 


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